more to the point, should anyone be ruled under a law which blatantly and unjustly discriminates against them? .. unless you think the the Malay ruling was just

why are you playing ignorant? its not cute

Originally posted by Khayr: Problem is some scientists will view their latest drug as a 'Product'. When you view an object as a 'product' you are examining it by certain traits just like you stated i.e. Is my product socially acceptable? It really comes down to that and hence why knowledge is subjective and is monopolized by the order of the day i.e. who is most influential? Biggest lobbyists (the Murdochs, Buffets, Gates etc.) Therefore, it not a question of 'what is Good?' but rather 'what is good for ME and US' So really the first question is "what object do scientists and engineers create?" and "what is the difference between an object and a product here" -- let me give you an example, my knowledge is my *product* if i'm lucky enough that it contributes to the world, then its still by "product" .. anyhow that is beside the point. Yes your right when you say that good is relative, however if for a moment we get existential on the subject (as i see you like to) and ask what is good?.. Well the first thing that we need to answer is; what universe of discourse does it apply to/ is it defined over? with that you'll have to answer first, whether "good" exists without someone ascribing something as good - if you can then please formulate your answer clearly and a Nobel in philosophy should be winging its way to in time for your next post. If you cant then we're back to an environment were notions such as good and bad are defined in a world were their effects are perceived and felt in someway. If that is the case, then since its those effected - in this case the people that feel/do good or bad, neither notion can be defined with out quantifying it with people. Hence something is only ever good or bad relative to how it effects us, it can never be universally good or bad since it needs to be interpreted as such. Now that does not mean that everything is equally good or bad, this is were morality and consensus on morality comes in... however that is another topic all together. You are making JB's arguments re: The Prayer Experiment thread. Please re-read my posts and respond appropriately. Sadly JB waffles too much, so i'll pass but if you'd like to give me a hash of the argument, i'd appreciate it .. Once corruption and 'leniency' in certain matters such as ;martial relations', 'economic and fiscal policies', 'abortion' etc. is introduced in society, to do the reverse is an upward battle. You have already introduced the ideas to people and will have to pay the consequences for the spread of such liberal and amoral ideas. Its the old people are dump, don't know what is good for them, so we'll keep 'em dumper and decide for them argument. Question, how shall people recognise the natural born leaders .. i mean if they are that dump .. and how super intelligent you would have to be to recognise severity and danger of the matter A more concrete example is coming out with the 'day after pill' in hopes of preventing 'unwanted pregnancies' or the case of having patients smoke 'weed' because it numbs their pain. In this case i would say you lack empathy and having never suffered the pain of Multiple sclerosis or been in such situations of despair desperation cannot sympathise .. So then what makes these actions 'Rights' or 'Wrong'? What makes them 'Wrong' is the fact that they are propagated by the view that the Subject and the Object are not connected and that there is no 'sacred ontology' in the worldview of scientism. Reality is disconnected and we shape our own 'Reality'-The Modern Sentiment/Scientism’s argument. I'm afraid you haven't defined what the "subject" "object" are here, so its difficult to make sense of there notions. I have to say tho' i love the notion of a "sacred ontology", how would it go, who/what would be in the hierarchy described by the ontology since if its only "god" in the ontology, then .. it wouldn't be an ontology .. what would be on the branches of the ontology .. the mind boggles.. The best bit is still tho' "Reality is disconnected and we shape our own 'Reality'" for goodness sake man, what is reality if it doesn't involve us! Your sounding like the acid gurus now, i'm worried that next you'll be asking us to turn on, tune in and drop out .. .

^ yes norf, how so please explain .. and which kind of sharia? sadly its not about who governs her, its much more personal, you can read it here , she's 43, converted in her 20's. She's got to go through all this because she can't marry the man she wants to spend her life with because the courts wont allow it, since ... shock horror ... her man is not a muslim and apparently ... more shock horror ... she is (according to her ID card anyway). Now please attempt to fill in the logic gaps there. As Ms DD says this isn't about religion and as norf says its about which Law prevails.. but more to the point who retains the authority of power. And Its sadly just another demonstration of how unchecked and unquestionable power absolutely corrupts and nothing to do with islam, so why defend it?

fyi Article 11 of the Malaysian constitution “EVERY person has the right to profess and practise his religion.” .. and your argument is faith by compulsion and coercion .. as naden said "The ignorance is suffocating"

^You don't think that such actions undermine and belittle the value of a faith for its *actual* believers?

^ seems to me like your asking for too much ..

no, no, no, the guy in the picture doesn't have nearly enough horns to be any worthwhile depiction of our venerable leader, the great yeey

^ ummm

^ i'm lost

one of these

V,Z, my therapist is terrible, look at me if you don't believe it .. but i she knows a very good herbalist that will help you suppress any memories unwanted or otherwise

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: quote:Originally posted by Caano Geel: this is sick .. as well as being pretty intelligent and over achieving.. they are now nice! (puke) ^^^ I know it is a curse! How are you coping saaxiib, if you ever want to talk i have the number of a great therapist

this is sick .. as well as being pretty intelligent and over achieving.. they are now nice! (puke)

Very interesting Lilly, I'm tying to figure out which category or categories i belong to - however i need more information. Are the listed categories mutually exclusive or can you occupy more than one category at a time, and if how does the membership of multiple categories add up - i.e are they weighted, like Mr Metrosexual when combined with Mr Mysterious is 10 points as apposed to when combined with Mr 'Religious' in which case its 6 points ? thanks

reminds me of the Richard Pryor joke about teaching your wife to run. So that if you get mugged, instead of having haul her as$ out on your back, you can have a joke about each others times when you get home

^So long as your not in punching range 'ey ?!

Originally posted by Northerner: I rephrase my earlier comment. You gotta love them skin headz 'sometimes'. Some-time love! Its getting complex man - i'm sure they will be as considerate

Originally posted by Emperor: It reminds me of the story about djiboutian dude who when heard of two similir males looking on to something from one other killed and ended his life on spot, thought life ain't worth anything if that can happened, true true... Dont make us ask you the obvious, just give us a time, and an address to send our condolence and your martyrdom cards. Go brother emp.

Tuujiyee, Put it another way, how would a (re)subordination of women benefit the men that you talk of?

Johnny, Castro, Boys, i've got to say that i'm impressed, you've somehow managed to turn Zenon's paradox into a pick-up paradox. Wont you please share the secrets of the dark arts?

^ yeah, i'm sure they would show you their love too

^lol, as much as i'm ever impressed by your unwaivering enthusiasm, call me old fashioned but, i'd like to be able to feel like i could trust our leaders dude, what kind of assurances do u think 'yeey got before he sat with his back to them?

Duke, really man the looks on those mens faces, would you let anyone of them into your home? Even after acquiring a tan

war soomaaligeyga awalba wax kama dhimneyn, soomaalida uun baan ka fogaanjirey