Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: Soomaalidu waa cajiib Afrikada waa ka sooc Sansaanka carbeedna ma leh Gaalada siirkeeda ma leh Sowsowgoodaa gurracan Subaacyay wada noqdeen Cid lagu suureeyo ma leh Bal eega siday yihiin!? Soomaali haddaan lahayn Wanaagii laga salkacay Sammaanta la diiddan yahay Sokeeyuhu inuu tashado Midnimo aan saxal lahayn Calooshuna saafi tahay Tolnimadu suubban tahay Sinnaan iyo daacadnimo Salkuna nabad buuxda yahay Sidaasi miyay xun tahay? war bax, maxaad ku hadleysaa Soomaaliyeey toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Ummadyahay mar kale toosoo Calankiina wada tiirshoo, Danta guud ku taagsada oo Isu wada tanaasula eey. Somaliyaay toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Tawaabkoo qudhaa bixiyoo Gobannimada taam ka dhigee, Rabbi toobad weyddiistoo Talo saarta Weynaha eey. Somaliyaay toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Qabiilkaad ku tookhdaan baa Qawmiyaddaada kaa tira oo, Tayo li'ida qoys-qoyskaa Idin bada tabaalaha eey. Somaliyaay toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Inuu Naar ku taro mooyee Dagaal ehel ma taabaggalee, Shacabkaa in loo turo oo La tabantaabsho kaa mudaneey! Somaliyaay toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Curaddadaada taargo'ayaa Tiiraanyo qaran weeyee, Walaalkiis kan tooganayow Adays jaray tagoogaha eey. Somaliyaay toosoo Toosoo isku tiirsada ee Hadba kiina taag daranee Taageera waligiinee. Quruun teeda hanan weydaa Tiqo kuma leh dunideenee, Adduunyada ka tamin qaadtoo Assaagiina tiigsada eey.

^^ no, mid next week

^ naa ninka afkiisa maxaa i dhigay!!!

^ sweet, and the moral of that story is that we all live and die alone, since every man/woman is an island and cannot be relied upon to support those that may be in a worse position ... when was the last you practised what your preaching here?

^ serenity, is that you leaving the ahem-constructive comments on the mans u tube page. anyhow, what are you threatening the man over other than his shades. Somali-stan is a *small* cause and is the manifestation of the colonial mentality - hence as a notion, it stinks (don't make make force you to listen to fela anikulapo kuti). -- any how mr smith-- i'm sorry I don't really want to watch the video, what's your point?

^ I'm sure i used to date her

mr smith, as mr brown said before he started blathering, the problem is serious but the solution is not a ban. a ban does not provide any resources to tackle the issues, it merely stigmatises and we don't need any more social stigmatisation. we need real resources to drag our beloved maryooley out of their stagnation.

Aduun iyo aakhiro those are very good questions and i will answer them, just as soon as i can . khayr, i'm lost walaal, what box and what's outside it?

Mr Smith, waalaal i think *underdog* said it all, and i'll just add to it by commenting of u're notion of *luring* young people. in saying that, you take any notion of choice out of the equation and make it sound as though your peers are zombies dragged left and right by the shine of the green leaves - now do you honestly believe that? and i don't think you do, if you do want to look at the issues facing somali youth look at the number festering at her majesty's pleasure and there are plenty of people here on SOL that can get you in contact so you can learn first hand. so don't undermine your concern by picking trophy causes with populist and irrelevant measure

Originally posted by marcassmith: ... Now lets concentrate on the matter at hand, Khat and why it should be banned. .. seriously man, please rest our minds .. and tell us the shades have been incinerated as for the topic, your argument doesn't stand and preaching it doesn't help. There are plenty that use khaat responsibly and there are plenty that abuse it, as for endemic where do you get your figures? and for that matter how many is endemic? NGonG. what's wrong with you man? what's this *nice guy* act your putting on?

cadaan, walaal you remembered. thanks for the b-day wishes

Originally posted by marcassmith: MARC SMITH VIDEO EXCLUSIVE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9K6JVuGoIk BAN KHAT NOW!!! with all due respect, i couldn't stop laughing. are you playing undercover kanye-west or something. honestly man, i'd really like to take you seriously, but you've pimped it out so much that for a moment i thought i was looking at my reflection on the metro-sexual hilton shades. dude seriously walaal-to-walaal -- take 'em of, burn them to cinder, then loose the ashes. as for the message, i find it hard to see how banning khaat will make any tangible difference other than driving it further underground. Somali's everywhere banned or not are afflicted with the same problems p.s. welcome to the forum

jaceylbaro, just a quick reminder of your society definitions

[takes a deep breath before jumping into this thorn bush ] .. [newtonian viewpoint of time:] - Time is real and absolute, regardless of where you are in the universe time keeps a constant beat, is fixed and never varies. More fundamentally time keeps everything in the universe in synch. he concluded that its so bafflingly ordered that it must be preordained, and fixed to run -- as a clockwork and in effect, both past and future are known to the clock maker. Therefore, there is always one time and one now.. [quantum viewpoint of time:] - Time is as real as the physical space you inhabit, but it's change is relative to the speed of the observer. The faster the observer moves, the slower the clock ticks. so at the singularity of a blackhole were matter (or what ever matter is in that location) moves at the speed of light, theory says, that time stops. The funky bit is this, *if* time is a dimension like space and every bit of space exists now, then every bit of time also exits now. So the future, the present and the past .. well co-exist, now, yesterday and tomorrow... you get the idea. Even weirder, this means time travel to the future is possible. Actually this last one is routinely tested and proven. When satellites go up, they have to be calibrated (the tick rate sped up) so that their clocks don't go out of sync with the earth due to the difference in their relative speed of orbit. [time at the Plank scale] This the stuff the article is on, and its funky .. basically Plank temperature is the highest possible under the assumption of quantum theory. If you go past it, its not just the notion of time, but space that goes funky. Basic according to the peeps in the know of funky equations. Basically since heat is energy, at the Planck temperature (10^32 Kelvin) "Theory predicts that particle energies become so large that the gravitational forces between them become as strong as any other forces. That is, gravity and the other three fundamental forces of the universe—electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces—become a single unified force. " umm hence since space collapses, so does time. Problem here is that no one knows if this is so, because as yet, there is no consistent theory of what happens beyond the Plank temperature... So when these guys talk about what happens at Planck scale and below, they are talking about what happens to what we know as the fundamental forces of physics at the absolute limits of energy and are in effect asking what are the building blocks. -- On a side note, an interesting observation of time comes from quantum physicists. In brief it says if all time exits at any given point in time and you can travel forward in time by speeding up, how can you travel back in time? It turns out that funky maths says that you can get to point in space and time before light (i.e. travel back in time) by having more energy than a few galaxies put together and either creating a spinning vortex like a black hole (watch this great documentary ) -- but realistically you would need civilisations with the powers of a god to pull that one off. But another bunch of wackier physicists say that you don't need to. You can simulate it. They argue that given computing power doubles every year or so, probability says that a civilisation in the far future would have the computing power to simulate (virtual reality style) the complexity of the kind of world we live in down to the atomic level. and further they could run billions of simulations and hence virtually every tragic turn and possibility and branch in on our planet and lives and universe could be simulated in detail and in parallel, therefore no need to travel in time, just choose the alternate reality. But the *tragic* consequence is this, if you take the possibly as remotely likely, then 1. time does not exist since your a character of a possibility. 2. You don't exist - since the probability of you being the only real one in a universe of characters is one in a billion 3. and ummmm paradoxically newton's universe of constants comes back, since a computer is always deterministic and all is forever known.

lol, i will and don't mind me if i remind you

walaal, let me clarify my self. contrary to my earlier stance, i've been converted. I don't care for somali-land. cali-land, dibir-tera, bug-stan nor buurtaas-anaa-leh. if this is the will of the powers that be and people can live peacefully, then let it be so. I'm merely interested in the semantic meaning of the term somali-land society, and this leads us to your definitions you posted on civil society. Sadly they all seem to talk of informal values and shared contexts rather than the formal nation or state (please don't make me but stuff in bold, just re-read the def. you posted. so in short what are these "uncoerced collective action(s) around shared interests, purposes and values." that make the for a *distinct* society. Because if they exist, and i classify myself as somali and you a somali-land(er)/(ian), then we have different "customs, interests, purposes and values" and therefore are no longer of the same culture. or am i just wrong, and if so please explain to me why - thanks in advance

saaxiib, sometimes and on very many things, i'm just plain dump, and really appreciate being informed. the part i dont understand is this, having looked up several possible definitions of just the word 'society' they tend to imply that it is associated with more than nationhood, but a distinction of culture and custom, not nationhood nor civility. so as i said, i may be wrong, please educate me

Jacaylbaro, please allow me to take you seriously and educate me by answering One Question: Define "Somaliland Society"

LZ, you want the formula

Koolkat, I'm so sorry to read this sad news sister, i hope your brother and friends get well very soon

It reminds me of the time when i met 'kan mukulaasha sanka ka majuujiya' .. I had walked the dusty streets of the urban jungle for many-a-moon, hearing of stories concerning a young man with what i can only repeat in polite company as a fondness for interfering with the sinus of felines. Struck by the strangeness of such a preoccupation, i could not altogether bring myself to believe such wild eccentricities and thought to my self that if he exists, his love for the preposterous must make his an english gentle man. But alas, i contented my self with the comforting thought of each to their own. That is, until one day i came across this striking figure of a man, solem, serious and with fire in his eyes as though they were forged on the rocks of the dessert which seemed to pierce through you as well at the very least the three people behind you. His nose taking in the air and head darting left and right, measuring you up for size. In an instance i recognised him as the one whose stories i had heard and for a moment, I wondered weather he mistook me for his prey and would seize upon me with the wild and frantic fever that the commuting hordes seize upon warm and just vacated seat on a tube train. But he lulled me to a false sense of security and at the very moment that i thought i was safe, he pounced, throwing questions of such diabolical ingenuity, they struck like the fangs of beasts he molested and even the quickest of wit had no measurable chance. With this recognition, i drew out my spear and shield and there in the streets we wrestled, each jabbing their weapon left and right whilst ducking the inevitable moulding that would result from the wrong move. and there we fought while our strengths held, till at last, the sweat from our battle had grown from the droplets on our brows to a puddle at our feet, and with it we fell to the ground gasping and weapons unsheathed ready for the slaughter when our strength would once again raise us to our feet.

"How To Lose 30 pounds the fasts with no bills" == "Stop eating so much and get off your ar$e, NOT eat something else" no?!

^ hacking prolog code as i write this, and i truly understand you comment, * i wanna be a web developer too *

dude, i wish i could help you, but i know next to nothing on web stuff.. aside from how the guts of the mechanisms work .. and that won't be any use to you

I officially have no recollection of any such conversation!