Is there a point behind this if I may ask? What's your opinion, do you want there to be no patrition between males and females in the mosque? Are you saying islam favors men over men? Do you want to outlaw polygamy? It seems this is nothing more than thinly veiled attempt to insult islam.

Ashkiro What was it I said do you disagree with? I believe i have articulated my thoughts clearly and most people besides the so called somali intellectuals/librals will agree with me. Do you not agree that a you're ethnicity/culture is dependent on you're father? Also, I have a bachelors degree and I have no accent and I speak like a civilized human being.

What about abdullahi yusuf? He is a warlord, he brough ethiopians(historical enemy of our people) to somalia not once but twice. How can such a traitor be the president of the somali nation?

Ibtisam I'm condemning the disgusting comments made Mr sayid somali, those comments have no place in this forum. They were misogynistic and uncalled for. I hope you agree with me walaal.

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: quote:Originally posted by Rahima: ^Well yeah KK. quote: Badankood ha igu soo roorin waaye, caku foolxumo eh...Maxaaba jirkii lagu gaaraa, wajigiiba hadaan la fiirin karin? I honestly don't see anything uncultural/uneducated about this statement...Run lee sheegay...Badankood (Ganeeska) wax indhaha uroon ma'aha...If that means I am slightly less cultured/educated, it is ok... You're a racist! What kind of uncouth comment is this? You're basically generalizing a whole group of people, the ghaniise as ugly.

Originally posted by *Blessed: Why did you quote that Ayah? It doesn't support your racist position. It talks about all Muslim men and women regardless of race. My initial point is that as a community, we ignore the many children that our men father and abandon who end up growing up without Islam and Somali culture. They are Somali only through lineage. And, yet people like you make a song and dance about sisters who are married to and are raising Muslims. Secondly, wasn't it the role of mother to teach and educate the children? Obviously, the kids of a Somali woman will pick up on her culture, language. quote: As for religion and culture, religion is part of culture. All cultures share a system of believes together, custums, etc which makes them unique. Religion is that system of believe. Indeed. So considering that Islam is a way of life, a convert brother shares more with you in terms of believe, customs and ideals. Whereas, the only link you have with a Somali that was raised in a different believe system is his lineage. It's what the pagan Quraish were to the Ansar at the Prophets (saw) time. There's even an ayah in the Quraan about it. Dig it up! You are confusing yourself, I'm not saying to be racist nor am i racist, but we are as muslims encouraged to preserve your culture. My point still remains true that the offspring of an ajnabi and a somali woman will be ajnabi. A mother's culture will influence the offspring, but they will still be whatever there father is. Is that not correct? Now we're talking about people who live together, not some fathers who abandoned their children. That's irrelevant. You're culture and your ethnicity is determined by who your father is islamically no matter what, even some dark african looking saudi's in the house of saud are still considered saudi because there fathers are. Otherwise things get confusing and there would be no such thing as culture or ethnicity. Islam encourages that we recognize each others tribes and races. Why would allah make us of different tribes and nation if not to preserve our nations and tribes? It's a not a matter of one group being superior to other, but making sure there is diversity and unique people. "O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware"

Ibtisam, Che Guavara, Kool Kat Can you ladies please take the off topic comments to the troll topic, it's against the rules here. Thanks.

Originally posted by unknown1: last year a somali girl married a swede. How did that make you feel?

Kool Kat I though we had a truce. No trolling in this topic please.

Originally posted by Cadaan: quote:Originally posted by Mr-Peace: Well, sorry to say but you're half caste children are not somali and will not be accepted by the somali community mr Cadaan. Actually, the only person who hasn't accepted them is you, so good luck with trying to be the spokesman for the Somali community because you obviously need to work on it. Don't let these so called somali liberals fool you my friend. Most somali's do not like their daughter being married to foreigners.

Originally posted by Brofessor_Geeljire: wth is wuxu sayid qoray? was it deleted? I dont see jack.......... He basically said that Cynical lady made this topic because she wanted Gheele T to come into her hut like the chineese women in the article. Very saqajaan comment on he's part.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: peace-You say something intelligent. I shall argue for or against it. If there is nothing intelligent here then why comment? I'm getting tired of your off topic one liners. Go trol somewhere else, this is a serious topic.

Originally posted by Afr0 GirL: ask your ugly asss momma to shake her assss ....d!ick sniffin' *** whole walaal there is no reason for that kind of language in this place, it's infantile and has no place. We can have differences, but be respectful and remember the golden rules.

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"please once again, let us not bring religion under this discussion" We are muslim, religion is the foundation for all our decisions. Islam is a way of life.

Faahiye That sounds like a classical baboon song. Who is it by? Afro girl You typify the kind of lost xalimo's I'm talkin about, promoting and idolizing baboon music that dehumanizes you as a woman. As for the cadaan, he's lucky he's cadaan some somali's due to an inferiority complex will accept cadaans unlike the madows.

Originally posted by Ban-tured: Mr Peace, Saaxiib, are you saying woman in the society has to play reproductive role in the society: that means being a house wive as a reproducing body, taking care for the children and all stuff of which has no any r economic values?. War nin yahaw see tagay, gabdhaha ha sii fogaynin. Yes, that's there primary role. You mother and the generation before us had this very role. What's wrong with it? Why is it today's women think being feminine is a sign of weakness? We should all strive to live according to how the prophet's society lived. Do you disagree with that?

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Peace-Don't take on us if some dude scooped your Xalimo away. Your nacnac is getting little boring. And your wipped liberal weakness is getting annoying, now either state your opinion or move on. Why is it, people cannot argue against the messege and feel the need to attack the messenger.

Che Maybe you should respond when you are addressed. I tell the truth and nothing but the truth. There are people seriously arguing that a child of an ajnabi and a somali woman is somali, ludicrous and first time I'm hearing such nonsense.

Originally posted by Ibtisam: ^^^MAybe you need to teach your brothers the art of walking away. Some people think saying "NO" is a game. You are lost and confused as I expected. Being deceptive is a major sin, and not telling the truth about your ethnicity. What kind of a muslim does that?

Originally posted by Ibtisam: ^^^She was just scared you was going to judge her dee I say I'm Eritrean or Asian when I don't want to get drawn into conversations with strangers. It makes it easier to avoid them. THAT however does not mean I have a complexity about being Somali. No, that's plain inferiority complex and most xalimo 's that marry ajnabi have the same mentality as you. Wouldn't it be easier to just walk away and say I'm busy if you don't want to talk someone instead of being deceptive and claiming other ethnicities.

Originally posted by Ban-tured: quote:Originally posted by Mr-Peace: Men have the lion share of the blame, but everyone played their part. There is nothing politically incorrect about saying that. We are a muslim nation, women cannot lead us, stop buying into corrupt western ideals saxiib. i AM not advocating for that ie. to buy the western cultures, but my position is Women are the leader of the a house-hold: a basic unit of any socail structure.and more than others Somali Women are taking that burden , so they have the capacity to controbute and become 'a leader'. Please, don't bring relegion factor under debate, cos religion is not some thing that we can debate here,. Loook at it in any other perspectives, and one thing I am not femenist but a logic person. [/QB]Finaly a modicum of common sense. I agree that a woman is the chief leader of her household, her children etc. But that's where it stops because islam does not allow female state leaders. Of course women can and do contribute to nation building, but they have their role of taking care of the home which is invaluable.

Malika As they say sarcasm is the refuge of the weak. Unless you have hadith and quran evidence to suggest that women can be leaders, please do not comment. Thanks.

General It seems you are making two weak arguments. On the one case, you blame somali's for the lawlessness of the country. But then you support a puppet entity that has the very same players that have been murdering, raping and profiteering from somalia's destruction and lawlessness. Moxamed dheer, Abdi qeybdid, Morgan etc, how can these warlords be part of a movement forward? Digest that and think real hard before you answer.

Originally posted by fatboy: MR P how is "sweat drop down my balls" inspirational? here one for ya. "I don't want to rule or conquer anyone I should like to help everyone if possible Jew, gentile, black man, white We all want to help one another Human beings are like that We want to live by each other's happiness Not by each other's misery In this world, there's room for everyone And the good earth is rich And can provide for everyone a way of life" The point is that's the kind of baboon music that hits air waves everyday and somali kids are listning to them, copying them, being inspired by them, and somali girls wanting to be with these gangsta types. It's a social epidemic my freind. Hip hop baboon culture is one of the reasons why somalinimo is dying. And yet there are people here who want to defend these afro american culture.