Originally posted by Tone: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: quote: Originally posted by Tone: quote: Originally posted by Taako Man: Tone It's the principle. If the pictures were from Garacad, I would say they were from Garacad. However some are trying to play there own agenda here. If a Picture of a conference were taking place in Bossaso and the Somalia flag were everywhere and I claimed that it was Hargeisa, what would be your stance? Now digest on that. If that was the case.. Then the Hargeisa representers have right to get upset over that. They don't believe the way Harigeisa was portrayed...Its against everything Hargeisa stands for. While..Reer Butland and the few Zenewi supporters in Xamar indeed are alike in supporting the same cause. They support the same cause don't they? Its likely reer butland to wave those pictures around aswell right? People in Hargeisa have a right to get upset about something and the people of other regions, when pointing out a flaw have no right to say this is not from a speicific region because of the supposed agenda they sway? That was the greatest logic in the world. Just like your flag with HY standing for High York awhile back. Caught you red handed and you never showed your face in that post again. Don't try to make it seem like reer Butland will not do this. Most people are saying those pictures are from reer butland because..You can expect them to do that...Am I right or wrong in saying this? So confirm this Taako..don't skip it. Am I wrong or not? I'll accept whatever the answer is...just answer it.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Tone, Doesn't the Somaliland government also support Melez? There are levels of showing support... They support each other economically that's about it no extra hugs and kisses lol... What bothers me is the people that are waving around the pitures of the man that was in charge of the cowards that killed their people.

Originally posted by Taako Man: quote:Originally posted by Tone: quote: Originally posted by Taako Man: Tone It's the principle. If the pictures were from Garacad, I would say they were from Garacad. However some are trying to play there own agenda here. If a Picture of a conference were taking place in Bossaso and the Somalia flag were everywhere and I claimed that it was Hargeisa, what would be your stance? Now digest on that. If that was the case.. Then the Hargeisa representers have right to get upset over that. They don't believe the way Harigeisa was portrayed...Its against everything Hargeisa stands for. While..Reer Butland and the few Zenewi supporters in Xamar indeed are alike in supporting the same cause. They support the same cause don't they? Its likely reer butland to wave those pictures around aswell right? People in Hargeisa have a right to get upset about something and the people of other regions, when pointing out a flaw have no right to say this is not from a speicific region because of the supposed agenda they sway? That was the greatest logic in the world. Just like your flag with HY standing for High York awhile back. Caught you red handed and you never showed your face in that post again. I'll wave the SL flag and rep HY all I want..I know my stand while you're jumping all over the place. Like I said....Don't try to make it seem like reer Butland will not do this. Most people are saying those pictures are from reer butland because..You can expect them to do that...Am I right or wrong in saying this?

Originally posted by Taako Man: Tone It's the principle. If the pictures were from Garacad, I would say they were from Garacad. However some are trying to play there own agenda here. If a Picture of a conference were taking place in Bossaso and the Somalia flag were everywhere and I claimed that it was Hargeisa, what would be your stance? Now digest on that. If that was the case.. Then the Hargeisa representers have right to get upset over that. They don't believe the way Harigeisa was portrayed...Its against everything Hargeisa stands for. While..Reer Butland and the few Zenewi supporters in Xamar indeed are alike in supporting the same cause. They support the same cause don't they? Its likely reer butland to wave those pictures around aswell right?

Its funny Taako and company are defending the claims the pictures are from reer butland.. Do you guys see anything wrong with the pictures first of all? Why are you guys upset if some are confusing those pics to be reer butland? Don't they support Zenewi and Geedi as well?

Originally posted by Sergeant Sakhar: Their intentions is to make it look like this pictures were taken from somewhere else but the pictures were taken from Mogadishu and it is taken from the clan meeting held in Mogadishu by the largest clan of Mogadishu. So the race is on folks. Super and Badda will try to post as many pics of the meeting yesterday evening in Mogadishu whilst I shall post many pictures of Gheedi's arrival this late afternoon in Bosaso. So we will see who is going to win the picture race. Good luck to you folks. Those pics might have been taken in Xamar like you said but...What would be the difference if reer buntland were to hold those pics? You're defending butland of not holding onto those pics..as if its unsporken crime to hold them. Don't you support those people who are waving those pictures around Yes or No? So what if others are claiming those people in the pics are indeed reerbutland..Do you see anything wrong with If reer butland were hold onto those zenwi pictures?

Originally posted by Superfluous: Is Cade Muuse holding up a Meles Zenawi picture?...lol Aduunyo anana dadkaas ayaan wax ka sugaynaa. ***shakes my head***

And those arms were used to kill our peoples...and some pathetics dudes on here applaud Ethi for doing this.

Wales strikes out on its own in its recognition of Somaliland Martin Shipton, Western Mail, 3 March 2006= WALES may not be an independent nation - but it has just recognised a breakaway country that, according to the UK Government, does not exist. One of the officially invited guests at Wednesday's opening of the National Assembly's Senedd building by the Queen was Abdirahman Mohamed Abdillahi, the Speaker of the Parliament of Somaliland. Yet few maps show anywhere called Somaliland, instead indicating a larger country called Somalia, to the east of Ethiopia and Kenya. In fact, Somaliland has been run as a separate state for the past 15 years, following a civil war in which hundreds of thousands of people were killed. The breakaway country is on the eastern horn of Africa and shares borders with Djibouti to the west, Ethiopia to the south and Somalia to the east. Its coastline extends 460 miles along the Red Sea. It is about the size of England and Wales combined, but has a population of only around 3.5 million; 55% of the population is either nomadic or semi-nomadic, while 45% live in urban centres or rural towns. The predominant religion is Sunni Muslim, and the backbone of the economy is livestock. The country also exports hides, skins, myrrh and frankincense. At independence in 1960 the British Protectorate and Italian- administered Somalia merged to form the Somali Republic. The fundamental goal was to unite all Somali-speaking people in a single country, but this has not been realised. Somaliland covers the former British protectorate. Of the 10,000 Somalis living in Wales - 8,000 in Cardiff - around 99% are from what is now Somaliland. Asked why the Speaker of a Parliament not recognised by the UK had been invited to the Senedd opening, a spokeswoman for the Assembly Parliamentary Service headed by Presiding Officer Lord Elis-Thomas said, "The decision was taken after a request from members of the Somali community in Wales. Buckingham Palace was shown the guest list and made no objection." Yesterday Mr Abdillahi met members of the Welsh Somali community in Butetown, Cardiff. A former diplomat who worked in Somalia's embassies in Moscow and Helsinki, he told the Western Mail, "I am very pleased to have been invited to the opening of the new Assembly building. We see it as a mark of recognition by the National Assembly for Wales that we have legitimacy. "Although I have travelled to Britain maybe 20 times, this is the first time I have been to Wales. It seems to me to be a very nice, peaceful place." Mr Abdillahi said his country desperately needed international recognition. "It is very difficult to move forward economically without recognition," he said. "We have no banks, and companies are reluctant to invest because of our unrecognised status, which means they are unable to get insurance. "While Somalia is in chaos, we have succeeded in creating a parliamentary democracy. International observers praised us for our parliamentary elections held last September, and we are hopeful that the African Union will admit us as a member state before too long. "We are grateful to the Welsh Assembly for helping us in our struggle." The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) website states, "Parliamentary elections were held on September 29, 2005. Somaliland's stability has been widely acknowledged but it has not received formal recognition from the international community. "It has stood aside from wider reconciliation processes but indicated its readiness to discuss relations with Somalia on a basis of equality once a new government is established in Mogadishu." The FCO website carries a link to the website of the Somaliland Government http://www.awdalnews.com/wmview.php?ArtID=6959

A peaceful oasis in bloody Somalia Somaliland | With the war-torn south in anarchy despite massive outside aid, a peaceful breakaway republic seeks international recognition as it goes its own way with a homegrown mix of democracy and traditional problem-solving Apr 08, 2007 04:30 AM Jeffrey Gettleman New York Times When the sun rises over the craggy hills of Hargeysa, it sheds light on a different kind of Somalia. Trucks selling genuine soft ice cream hit the streets. Moneychangers, unarmed and unguarded, push cash through the market in wheelbarrows. Politicians from three distinct parties get ready for another day of debate, which recently included an animated discussion on registering nomadic voters. It's all part of a Somali puzzle: how one area of the country, the northwest, also known as Somaliland, can seem so peaceful and functional while the rest continues to be such a violent, chaotic mess. "We built this state because we saw the problems here as our problems," says Dahir Rayale Kahin, president of the unrecognized Republic of Somaliland, which has long declared itself independent from the rest of Somalia. "Our brothers in the south are still waiting ... for others." But Somalilanders are waiting, too: waiting to be recognized as a sovereign state. In 1991, as Somalia's government disintegrated and clan fighting in the south spun out of control, Somaliland, traditionally one of the poorest parts of Somalia, made its first declaration of independence. In 2001, Somalilanders went to the polls and overwhelmingly supported a constitution drawn up in 1997. But no country acknowledges Somaliland as a separate state and very few even contribute aid – which makes its success all the more intriguing. Its leaders, with no Western experts at their elbow, have devised a political system that minimizes clan rivalries while carving out a special role for clan elders, the traditional pillars of Somali society. They have demobilized thousands of the young gunmen who still plague Somalia and melded them into a national army. They have even held three rounds of multiparty elections, no small feat in a region, the Horn of Africa, where multiparty democracy is mostly a rumour. Somalia has not had free elections since the 1960s. Of course, Somaliland has not always been so stable, and Somalia has not always been so chaotic. Even now, critics say, the Somaliland government can be repressive and inefficient, and the mental hospital in Hargeysa, the capital of Somaliland, seems to be evidence of both. Patients are chained to their beds in dark, smelly rooms – but Somalilanders are quick to point out that at least they have a mental hospital, which the more populous south does not. The Somalilanders' steady, underdog efforts to create a functioning state from the ruins of war seem to dispel the notion that Somalia is an inherently ungovernable, warlike place. So, what happened? When the colonial powers sliced up the Horn of Africa in the 19th century, the British got Somaliland and the Italians got Somalia. While the British relied mostly on clan chiefs to govern, the Italians created an entire Italian-speaking administration and imported thousands of people from Italy to farm bananas, build cathedrals and teach the people how to pour espresso. One result was that Mogadishu, along the southern coast, became a major commercial hub and one of the most beautiful cities in Africa – but its traditional systems of authority were weakened. That is partly why, many analysts say, warlords were able to outmuscle clan elders and dominate Mogadishu in the vacuum that formed after the central government fell in 1991. The British, on the other hand, never invested much in Somaliland, leaving it poor and dusty but with its traditions more or less intact. The two territories were granted independence in 1960 and quickly merged to form the Somali Republic, but it was never a happy marriage. By the 1980s, the Somali National Movement, a northern rebel group, was blowing up government posts. In 1988, government fighter-bombers flattened Hargeysa, killing 50,000 civilians. The Somali National Movement proved indispensable in the fragile years after the central government collapsed. It set up the guurti, a council of elders from every clan, which soon evolved into an official decision-making body. Most council members were illiterate herders, but they became the glue that held Somaliland together. In a sparsely populated nomadic society, where many people live far from government services, clan elders are traditionally the ones to reconcile differences and maintain social order. "They were a cushion," notes Ahmed Mohammed Silanyo, leader of Somaliland's main opposition party. "Whenever there was friction, these old men would step in and say, `What's wrong with you boys? Stay together.'" In the 1990s, while clan warlords in Mogadishu were levelling the capital's fine Italian architecture, the guurti, along with rebel leaders, were building a government. With the whole area awash with weapons and split by warring clans, Somaliland's leaders moved to persuade the militiamen to give up their guns – a goal that still seems remote in the south. They moved slowly, first taking the armed pickups, then the heavy guns. Again, this stood in contrast to the south, where thousands of U.S. Marines and UN peacekeepers failed to put a dent in clan violence. "We had a higher purpose – independence," notes Abdillahi Duale, Somaliland's foreign minister. "And nobody in the outside world was going to help us get there." That would prove to be a theme here. The less outside help, the better. Over the years, southern Somalia has received tens of millions – if not hundreds of millions – of dollars in aid, and Somaliland almost nothing. The difference is striking, though it is true that Somaliland may be easier to govern with an estimated 2.5 million people, compared with 6 million in the south, and a somewhat less complex clan structure. Still, for elections in 2002, Somaliland leaders devised a system specifically to check clan power. They limited the number of political parties to three to prevent a repeat of the fragmentation of the 1960s, when nationwide elections spawned more than 60 political parties, essentially one for each subclan. It was an attempt to create parties based on ideology, not tribe, something that has proved quite difficult across Africa. The leaders also turned the guurti, whose 82 elders are appointed by their respective clans, into the upper house of parliament – "Somaliland's senators," as people here say. In some ways, Somalia's transitional government is now trying to replicate Somaliland's approach by including representatives of all the major clans. But some experts say the transitional government is missing broad support, partly because because many of those selected to serve in the transitional government lack the stature of guurti elders. The guurti in Somaliland can strike down laws passed by the elected House of Representatives, though the representatives can override the guurti with a two-thirds vote. It is a mix of tradition and modernity – Western-style democracy meets Somali-style politics – though some Somalilanders say it's time to renovate the system. "We need to move on," argues Faisal Ali Waraabe, leader of the opposition Justice and Welfare Party. "The guurti helped get us through a crisis, but now we're trying to push our people from tribal loyalty to institutional loyalty, from clan loyalty to national loyalty." Silanyo agrees: "It's ridiculous to have an elected body that can be trumped by an unelected body." Meanwhile, the one issue that unites most Somalilanders is recognition. Somaliland has its own currency, its own flag, its own national anthem and even its own passport. "And we have peace, a peace owned by the community," says Zamzam Adan, a women's rights activist. "You'd think in this part of the world, that would count for something."

I'm interested to see what GD along with Taako and friends have to say about this lol.... Your feedback will be accepted boys.

His name wont even be put on the ballot of the people to vote for. His guilty of Treason.. This guy is more wanted than A-Yusuf.

I personally don't like them Ethiopian *******s..You can't trust them fully but you have to work with them for your own benefits. I rather have better relationship with Somalia.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^A great idea, he will bring SL into the fold quite easily dont you think.. LOL you're pathetic. Anybody that is willing to bring SL to knees you're supportive of Faisal W...For President. Because he hates people like you.

Those Galos have more heart than the TFG and its supporters?

In other SL news Faysal Ali Waraabe Welcome in Borame recently. http://qarannews.com/show/13075.html

I'll try my best to not throw anymore jabs at you. Mystic can certaintly put you in your place alone.

Originally posted by Violet: Mystic; do you ever have anything of substance to say? Oh the Irony

Originally posted by OLOL: Inta ka dhageeysta Yeey oo la hadlaya beesha oow ka dhashay kana la hadlaya dagaaladda xamar ka socda . Waa kanaa dhageeyso Beesha ****** waa mucaarad ,sagaashan boqolkiiba mucaarad beey yihiin, weey is aruursadeen, meel beey isugu tageen, ciidamadoodii beey isku darsadeen, dagaal beey u diyaar garoobeen, ninkii inngaa itaal rooni magaaladda ha naga qabsadeey yiraahdeen. hadda maalmihii la soo dhaafay soow dagaalo kama dhicin xamar? soow meeydaan maqleeynin, macnahu waxaa weeye waa la isku diyaar garoobayaa , qoladdii muqdisho ku adkaata la arki doonee wixii laba sagaashankii dhacay baa dhacaya! Put that audio on Youtube let the masses hear it.

That 1st pic is Vancouver lol ....Try to host your pics people can cheat.

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: Garbage-kaan meesha ka tirtir, and my guess is eedadadaa kurigeeda. Okay fine I apologize for calling you midgan...Now stop crying about it and move on. The second pic= Cinq Terre

Where is this? Who ever guess this correct wins a......

Somaliland is not getting involved...Let them just be. They can have this reconsiciliation meeting anywhere in Somalia.

I just couldn't help but notice bro haha..no hard feelings, do continue..But we can read you guys like a book.