Shouldn't this be in the jokes section? Anyway such a sad story didn't make me laugh

Originally posted by Xanthus: Nef: I did and still study Islamic studies, it is a continuous never ending process. But i have also studied other subjects. Islam is not cave religion, it does allow you to function in life and inspire to perfection, so i do not think your point is Valid. In fact it is our duty to seek and learn, both world and the deen. This argument is an old argument which sects such as the Sufi's have used to passive large number of people into doing nothing but rituals. As for my use of "every" okay how about "most" then, even the homeless alcoholic will tell you that one day inshallah i will be a good Muslim. p.s. no offence taken You took Islamic studies at university level? Wow you're a great person, manshaAllah . Unfortunately though (as one would understand from reading some of the threads here) most muslims do not adhere to Islam - Somalis in particular. The alcoholic who says he wishes to become a better Muslim is, in my humble opinion, lying. Action speaks louder than a thousand words.

Originally posted by underdog: quote: The French society does not deem hijab 'unacceptable'. If it did, it would be fully prohibited. Your example is flawed. Can you think of anything else that is obligatory in islam but 'unacceptable' in the West? you suggested the flaw in my argument to be Hijabs are ok in general society. My comeback was the law refers to hijabs in schools. so my argument still stands. I piece of legislation was passed in France to prohibit a mandatory Islamic practise. Based on your theory, this should mean anyone who wants they're daughter in school and wearing hijab should pack it up and move out of the country. Hijab, Christian cross and other religious symbols are banned in public schools. This does not mean that the hijab per se is 'unacceptable' in the French society. Nor does clarifying this say anything about how I think the issue should be handled. Is it really that difficult to understand? yes it does simply mean my argument is flawed if you just said it with no real meaning behind it....Just beautiful words huh? [/QB] You are trying to trick me in to believing you are unbelievably and incurably thick. How very naughty of you.

Originally posted by Xanthus: Nef: Explain why you disagree? special as you agree with the last comment, if something is perfect, flawless, and makes absolute sense it is only natural to try and keep it at the state, hence the desire to perfect is something that a Muslim who believes this will inspire to nooh? How then is it a bunch or pretty words? I disagreed with these parts: I think every Muslim inspires to follow ... and otherwise why would i bother myself with half hearted attempts in practising? I thought you sounded very hypocritic, hence my asking of what you studied. What do you study? It's too easy to use saintly sentences and, in fact, not aspire to follow the prophet (sas) because spending time studying politics or economics or any other eartly subject is not aspiring to follow the prophet (sas). No offence intended. Underdog: that throws my entire argument out the window. No one in their right mind would have any reason to object to 'No hijabs in public school'. Your logic is not something to be proud of. If I say your previous argument was flawed, how does this translate into "no one in their right mind would have any reason to object to 'No hijabs in public school'?" Doesn't "you're argument was flawed" simply mean that your argument was flawed? Anyway, you may stop the 1920s theatrical sarcasm and answer the question I posed.

Originally posted by Xanthus: Nef. I think every Muslim inspires to follow the beloved prophet's (PBUH) example to the fullest (well they should anyway), otherwise why would i bother myself with half hearted attempts in practising? A Muslim spends their whole life trying to better themselves and reach higher stage. I disagree. I think that's just a bunch of pretty words. What was it that you studied, again? Islamic studies? One should not be afraid of consequence or be apologetic about their believes simply to please others [/QB] Certainly not when that belief is Islam. It is flawless, perfect and makes absolute sense. To me, at least.

Originally posted by underdog: I think what you're saying is if an Imaam in France was to speak against the Hijab ban, you'd say "I agree with you but I not with you on this. Lets go to an Islamic country so I can vocally be on your side" is that accurate? No, you missed the point. I already gave you a couple of examples - did you not notice them? The French society does not deem hijab 'unacceptable'. If it did, it would be fully prohibited. Your example is flawed. Can you think of anything else that is obligatory in islam but 'unacceptable' in the West?

Originally posted by underdog: I'm sure we all know there are things in Islam that are deemed unacceptable by man's law. So if the Imaam brings up one such thing in a khutbah and he gets called on it, will you stand with him or against him? I can't think of one such thing that would be obligatory. If it was deemed unacceptable in the society muslim lives in, like polygamy or marrying a "child", the muslim has a choice not to. If one wishes to follow the beloved prophet's (sas) example to the fullest - which is impossible in a secular state - they will have to move to an islamic country. Hence the scenario you posed isn't problematic at all. Every muslim would stand behind the Imam in a sense that they would acknowledge where he is coming from, without following him in the matter, as what the Imam be preaching would not be obligatory. I think I'm ranting. God, I haven't ranted in years, I like minimalism. What are you guys doing to me?

On a busload of Christian pilgrims dashing to death: Me: Apparently they all died. My Mother: Right on! Me: Right on? My Mother: They came from worshipping Trinity. Me: Yes, but 'right on' is a little harsh... My Mother: Hell will be harsher. Hell hath no fury like my mother! Anyway, it tells a lot about us Muslims these days. We've been so pissed off, we forget what islam actually is about.

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko: I think peacenow will enter this thread soon and say this building is the work of the devil and that no somali should ever enter it unless you are an arab slave. lol

Originally posted by Khalaf: And seeing the place of the African in the world status and their history, this only reinforces the idea of their "lack of intelligence". This is actually quite elaborate propaganda. Africa, Ghana; Mali; Chinguetti and Songhai to mention a few, has a very rich history, literature in particular (yes, you read it correctly). The Monomotapa empire was so impressive, European explorers had hard time swollowing it. Nobody has to mention how incredible the Mayan civilization was - before medieval Europeans destroyed it of course. This whole "[race] lack intelligence" issue is just part of that rooted medieval propaganda, which more and more people, thank God, are beginning to understand.

Originally posted by peacenow: Nef.Ari.ous, don't believe what they say. Their head is so deep in Arab stank, they can't see a way out. Worshipping their Arab master. No, I meant your list was embarrassingly lame.

Skyscapers are awesome. But I'm impatient. It'd take ages to get to the highest floor. Unless they had a special lift for me that would go super-duper fast, I doubt I'd ever want a penthouse. Leaving aside the fact that I could never afford to buy one - that's beside the point.

She doesn't look 20.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: so-called inventions of 'hair brush, ice cream scooper, key chain, mop, window cleaner,' to name a few from the list, was ridiculous. I buried my head in shame.

Originally posted by Hayam: I knew I was done for, when I screamed once I heard the first two eposides of Season 2 were leaked out 3 months early!!!! imagine how fast i was dying for that download to be. Suppper Show! LOL

Originally posted by me: [QB] Nefi, I am incapable of many things but you don't seem to understand the point of this whole discusion. Yet you want to contribute to it. Marka aad fahantid waxa laga hadlayo jawaab bixi. Fine, so you're not arguing over his identity. This is the second time that you are throwing around with accusations. I would hardly call being "incapable of quoting dead men" an accusation. Unless you want to take it seriously The first time being when you said that Xanthus and I claimed Cilmi Boodheri. That's what it seemed like, but since you're not in fact discussing his identity , I'll take my shoes and just leave. Have a splendid evening

Mock the Week is brilliant , Have I Got News for You not. Question time is also entertaining in it's own small, enlightening way. However, the best of the best has got to be Curb Your Enthusiasm !! I also found myself making efforts to catch Ugly Betty.

Originally posted by me: Nefi All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good (wo)men do nothing - Edmund Burke Edit: How about that for neutrality Nefi? It reminded me of that funny Kryptonite joke someone posted elsewhere. You seem to be incapable of knowing when it is the appropriate time to quote dead men. I never said do nothing, simply said stop arguing over trivial things like a bunch of kids. The birth place of a poet is trivial.

Originally posted by Xanthus: Nef I guess you are confusing usernames, I have not mentioned ownership at all, in fact i said the opposit...and nor did ME. What was the discussion between the two of you about then? Not this corny current one.

Me, that's just not true. It was pugnacious attitudes - similar to the one you're showing now - that did all the killing, and you know it. My neutrality isn't fake. I had never heard of him prior to this thread, he seems like a genius madman and I deeply question the love he supposedly felt for Hoodan, because I that's just me, but I don't give a toss about where he was from. I don't have a need to "own" him, like you and Xanthus do.

Originally posted by AAliyah416: Broken families tend to lead to kids who are unstable, hang out with the wrong crowd, and who have a bleak future. Regrettably, that is exactly what is happening to many Somali kids, they don’t have a father figure at home. It is not just about helping those men; by helping them we protected a Somali family. Excellent point. It's almost becoming the norm: boy meets girl, they fall in love, marry, girl has a baby, boy turns to khat and khat-chewing friends and stays the nights away, boy and girl fight, divorce, girl becomes single mum and tries to win her sex appeal back by behaving irresponsibly, kids become Lord Knows What. There are so many divorced couples with children who were married for less than 3 years, that it almost makes you sick.

That's... disturbing.

8 pages of arguing wheter Bodheri is Somali or Somalilander later I must say you guys are like a bunch of extremely ****** kids. No wonder the situation there is what it is. Urgh. You're a disgrace to our roots (I expect another 9 pages of arguing on this one [whether we share the same roots or not] as well).

LMFAO!

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko: "After telling them your weakness is Kryptonite, wait a few seconds and then say your real weakness is not knowing when it is appropriate to crack a joke. They'll love it" Hilarious!