burahadeer;761528 wrote: how about if they come to NFD towns,I mean all somalis in Nairobi & beyond.Bring their business here & build their side of kenya.Kenyans won't dare to antagonize somalis in their territory.Come on guys,tough times need tough alternatives,let's have some talk here. I agree! i say let them move to NFD and help build the economy there and help prepare the region secede from its aliens, because this alien kenya has failed the NFD people for more than a half century.

This thread is misleading. No such "support" exists in NFD, and if it did its a staged and dishonest one, In most cases the "support is only a lip-service from the fear of reprisals from the authorities. what will somalinfd (not somali kenyans) got to benefit from supporting such a war. It affects them more than anyone else in kenya, its not in their interest at all.

Here is how the illigal "war" is hurting NFDsomali residents-- Nightmare for residents as war pushes up prices .......communities living along the border are having a nightmare. They are feeling the pinch of the heightened war in which the armed forces are seeking to flush out the terrorist group. They are having sleepless nights as the war rages. Prices of most foodstuff and other commodities have significantly gone up. Supplies such as sugar, rice, cooking fat and powdered milk that have been finding their way into Kenya through Kismayu, which is a free port. They come from the Middle East as well as Asia and Europe and they are usually sold cheaply. Even electronic goods and vehicles are normally cheaply available in border towns like Liboi in Garissa, Elwak in Mandera and Hulugho in Ijara district. Some of these goods are eventually smuggled into towns like Garissa, Mwingi, Thika and even Eastleigh and other areas in Nairobi. But since the border was closed, transporters can no longer risk their vehicles on the cutline roads used to ferry such goods............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................................ .Full story here http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Nightmare+for+residents+as+war+pushes+up+prices+/-/1056/1263016/-/o9dumk/-/index.html

Here is one of the reasons why kenya went to "war" with somalia- to control and stop goods flowing from kismayu port to NFD and eventually to other kenyan cities because its hurting some politicians and businessmen. Nightmare for residents as war pushes up prices .......communities living along the border are having a nightmare. They are feeling the pinch of the heightened war in which the armed forces are seeking to flush out the terrorist group. They are having sleepless nights as the war rages. Prices of most foodstuff and other commodities have significantly gone up. Supplies such as sugar, rice, cooking fat and powdered milk that have been finding their way into Kenya through Kismayu, which is a free port. They come from the Middle East as well as Asia and Europe and they are usually sold cheaply. Even electronic goods and vehicles are normally cheaply available in border towns like Liboi in Garissa, Elwak in Mandera and Hulugho in Ijara district. Some of these goods are eventually smuggled into towns like Garissa, Mwingi, Thika and even Eastleigh and other areas in Nairobi. But since the border was closed, transporters can no longer risk their vehicles on the cutline roads used to ferry such goods................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... .Full story here http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Nightmare+for+residents+as+war+pushes+up+prices+/-/1056/1263016/-/item/0/-/u2ijq4z/-/index.html

.........."The Kenyans fancy to believe that they could win a war and defeat Somalis, it is passable for them to accept as true what they believe, but the truth of the matter is they are playing with inextinguishable fire – a greater Somali fire. By starting a war in this region can easily instigating Somalis to reclaim their Northern Frontier District (NFD). Therefore, I brotherly advise the Kenyans to withdraw immediately before Somalis beat the drums of war, believe me that will not be a good sign for the Kenyans. To give you an example of what that could mean; the recent Kenyan civil unrest will feel just like a picnic in warm summer day on Mount Kilimanjaro." XX, thats a timely advise for kenya. NFD somalis had enough grieviences with Kenya already, this "war" will antigonise them even more because it hurts them economically too. Its regretable to see the position that some so called NFD "leaders" have taken in this war, they are insignicant and irrelevant becuasue this corrupt "leaders" have always been serving their own selfish interests as well as used by other kenyans to serve them or fullfill their interests. somalis of NFD will not sit and tolerate a corrupt, undesciplined, savergery kenyan solidiers to muder, rape and cause mayhem to their somali cousins across the border, and offcourse they will choose their cousins who they share everything with over the alien kenyans at any time.

...................“This is about our long-term development plan. Kenya cannot achieve economically what it wants with the situation the way it is in Somalia, especially Kismayu.” Especially Kismayu port. Apparently many goods such as sugar, flour, clothings and car/parts etc are cheaper in NFD than the rest of kenya cities because these goods are imported into this region through Kismayu port hassle-free and easily accessible. I heard these goods were even being exported from towns like wajir, mandera and garissa and sold in the rest of Kenya at cheaper prices than usual. So it must be hurting some business people in Kenya. its also stated within some circles that the business dealings between NFDsomalis and somalia was creating very close relationships between the two communities, something kenyan officials found too unconfortable to let it grow for long. Go figure! The kismayu port is therefore a lifeline for NFD somalis and this "war" will affect them most. NFD somalis have relied on Kismayu port for a long time because of the kenyan goverments neglegance of the region since the countrys inception, its the only region with no infrastructures like roads which left them with no options but Kismayu.

Somalia;754081 wrote: Kenya wants the people of NFD to influence their clansmen to establish a state so Kenya can explore in the exclusive economic zone of Somalia. It really is that simple. ^^ Interesting! can you elaborate on that point? And what potential political and economical opportunity will this bring to the people of NFD.

GoldCoast;753659 wrote: Interesting, did the Brits invade Somalia when that couple got kidnapped? Did the countless Western ships who have been targeted call for a ground invasion because of the disruptions? Territorial integrity and a full scale incursion isn't as light a matter as you are portraying it. Nothing Kenya experienced justified it either. This is not to mention there is no evidence that the whole pretext of this war is even legitimate. Even MSF has questioned the Kenyan claims and those are their workers. The old lady was not kidnapped by alShabaab, and this is a fact that is well acknowledged. So again its not as clear cut as you are portraying it, and the possible negatives that could occur from this ill thought move are countless. Sharif is right to oppose, and I think the MP's in question have an agenda that has triggered this emotional outburst lol. Very well said G/cost. I am mostly surprised by the lack of other NFD somali "leaders" failure to raise an objection to the breach of the somalia teritorial integrity and voice their concerns about it. Surely the greater NFD leaders should have been consulted over this as it affects their region more. Its a disgrace wallahi.

Br Nur thank you for accepting the invitation to continue sharing your knowledge in the forum. It will also be honourable to share the cup of tea with you in my village in NFD and treat you to a somaliNFD style hospitality. We treat our guests with high esteem.

I think kenya made a fatal mistake in invading somalia in the pretext of fighting AS. kenya always seemed to play neutral in the somali affairs, or so i thought, they should not have given a reason for such attack to happen to them as they are very vulnerable.

Brother Nur, I was one of your silent readers of your valuable posts on this forum. I am sorry i could not participate much but I truelly enjoyed reading most of your articles and have learnt alot from it. I sincerely wish you all the best akhi and may Allah keep you strong and continue to share your knowledge.

ailamos;752234 wrote: Exactly. That expression pretty much sums up this issue. Anyway, I find it ironic that Kenya's Defense Minister is a Somali. The defence minister dose not represent the somalis of NFD nor the myth that all somalis of nfd are homogenous in their dicissions does not hold true . somalis in nfd have always been used by the bigger tribes (kikuyu, kelenjin and luo) to serve their own self interests and not the region. What has this and many similar appointments achieved for them? Many somali in nfd DO NOT support this outrageous invasion of our somali brothers territories. Such invasion rekindles the bitter memories of the masscres, rapes and tortures nfd residents suffered at the hands of kenyan forces during the shifta war and self determination. AS as dispised as they are, they should only be dealt with by the somalis.