Ahlu sunna= qabiil militia.

Meiji, and recovering romantic, you two have brought a much needed perspective to SOL; a muqdisho perspective in which the innocent victims of Muqdisho are heard/read on SOL (and a few good things coming out Xamar cade. However, your recent blind support for the bad copy of the TFG worries me and others. Sheikh hotel ( I forgot to put a TM symbol when I first introduced it on SOL; now it is public goods) is not the saint that many somalis believe he is; he has turned out to be manipulative (using the tribal card) and power hungry- madaxweyne mar i dhaha sort. In fact, I doubt whether he has the merit to become a president. This was the guy who wearing a military uniform sent boys to Modo-modo, Idaale etc while he enjoying capucino in Nairobi and Djibouti. I have seen somalis in Europe who were part of his delegation to Belgium and Turkey; apparently he collected thousands of dollars to smuggle them. He is a clan leader; habar wacasho is his motto! There were many who opposed the fake- injirleey dawlad ku sheeg; these people deserved better. Sheikh hotel and his friends are pursuing the same kind of strategies; bombing, killing, imprisoning somalis; XABAD miyaa Xabad dhaanto? He is using the same kind of tactics as Abdullahi Yusuf; what makes Abdullahi Yusuf a vilian and Sheikh hotel a saint? Bakaraaha isma bedelin; abdi qaybdid, maxamed dheere, Qanyare and Suudi weli ismabedelin. Now, the warlord Indha-cade is in the government hold; how are you going to pursuade the old lady in Buulo Mareerto whose little farm was confisticated by this ruthless warlord to support the government? Abdiqeybdid, the warlord of all warlords; the killer of somali men, children and women from the 1991 is the police chief of somalia; How are you going to pursuade the mother in Busaar whose children, husband and ehelo were killed by his militia to suppport this government? Muuse Suudi, maxamed dheere, Qanyare, caato, hebelkaa finish and the rest of the M-oryaan cu-ms are today enjoying relative peace in Muqdisho. They are fighting side by side the dawlad ku sheeg; how do you expect any decent somali to support a parliament that consists of these thugs who occupy homes that belong to somalis? As I wrote during the months leading to the Djibouti debacle, somalia’s solution lies in a simple- yet noble principle; justice, justice, justice – and with these thugs in Muqdisho and Sheikh hotel ordering the bombardment of Xamar, this will elude us. Marka saaxibiyaal, don’t turn a blind eye to this TFG II. You should use the same kind of lens that you used when condemning TFG (Doofareey). RR and Meiji; if you were against the TFG under Abdullahi Yusuf ( and my guess is that you were) why do you support Sheikh Sharif who is doing the same thing? This is Doofaarey two: a) Same kind of “selection mechanism”: a group of vocal thugs, tribalists, and conflict entrepreneurs with the held of western NGO convene in a city in another country; a process. Divide somalis along tribal lines; 4.5 (sick formulae) and select a “president”. b) The president appoints a PM (****** processes beget ****** selections) without looking at the merits or what is good for the nation. c) The government and the so called parliament (aqalka na-casyada) come to Muqdisho; we hear some buraanbur, some sacab and a few days later the same path dependency- war, hanjabaad etc. d) These thugs roam the world in search of dollars; they have more air mileage than transcontinental pilots e) They bomb innocent civilians to be taken seriously; eebowgeey i fiiri dawlad aan ahaye. f) xiin's famous peace caravan is now a war caravan We are at jug-jug meeshaad joog. Another conference, another process and back to square one. How shall we overcome this? Simple answer; tribalism should be recognised as the culprit and justice should be the mantra; And I expect every sane somali to yearn for justice and condemn the maligma of tribalism

Gabbal, Maybe Juje (wasiirka barabagaandhaha iyo bunbuuninta waxqabadka dawladda ee xaruntiisa tahay SOL) will tell us. Or Xiin Faniin ( Wasiirka aaydholojiyada iyo wacyegelinta). Jokes aside, This bad copy of the TFG has thus far succeeded in the following; 1) they have sold parts of somali territory.

Xiin, Brother, meedey, meedey, ma haayne meedey dawlad ku sheegta aad taageertid? Thus far what your government did is to sell a piece of somalia. You are using terms such as "anarchic tendency" " Confused" with posters who give a different view than yours. Is deji sxb. This is serious brother Xiin. Condemn this sick government; Because they cannot take control of somalia the only thing they can do is to sell some parts of it. BTW who wrote the following in a related thread? Laakiin waxaa cajjiib ah sababta hadda loo shaaciyey maritime dispute aan hore runtii dadka intiisa badan u maqal. That's what is fishy about this so called memo of understanding. Not this baadiye jaahil- but our great xiin faniin.

Assalamu calaykum, Cabdullahi Yusufow xaal qaado adeer. I was a critic of the TFG known as lackeys inc for allowing Ethiopian soldiers march into somalia and in the process murdering, raping and maiming somalis. We had a sigh of relief when the bu-gger left the scene. Xiin so called Peace momentum and caravan; and the aftermath; kud ka guur oo qanj u guur. How naive we were; how disappointed we soon became. We hoped that there will be change- a real change to tackle the depressing issues that haunt somalia. Before we knew it, it was the same old process; the 4,5 BS (It is really disturbing to read people who at first glance sound fairly smart supporting this maligma). There is nothing good about tribalism (despite Baashi's rants). It is a killer disease; it erodes you ability to reason; it hampers your capacity to think as a human being; It makes you silly; it is a unit that breaks into sub-units; sub-sub units; infinite. This deporable issue is what is holding our nation back; This is toxicating our souls. Qabilism is a big business; it is even used by somali sheikhs (Bismilahi Rahmam Raxiim; ilaahey wuxuu yiri waxaan idin kala qeybinay qabiilooyin (....) sidaasi darted uma arko inuu qabiilka wax xun yahay- is a common narrative given by sheikhs high on the need for qabiil power; and a few bucks; (in the old days a zab or zaka did the trick). These qacli yarayaal- calooshooda u roon- forgot that Allah was not talking about the reer quracs, the reer qanasacs etc who have socially constructed their qabiil. Qabilbased and Religious entrepreneurship is a dangerous combination and what is happening today!!! In the sixties, Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke was everywhere; Arusha, Uganda; the UK, Italy and the arab countries talking (and according to many nearly exchanged blows with the black neo-colonialists. His message was clear; the nation known as somalia is for somalis (yes, a person of somali origin is called a somali- not somalien/ian (sounds like alien). In fact, the somali constitution and the later so called dastuurs carry this in the preamble!). Abdirashid and the rest of the true somalis at the time were first and foremost concerned for somalis colonised by Kenya, France and Ethiopia. The NFD people recall the so called shifta wars (freedom fighting wars); the Djiboutians recall how somalis from everywhere supported their struggle to be free; soomali galbeed iskaba daa. As far as I recall, only two areas in somali-proper (JDS) was ever occupied by an enemy; Balan-baal and galdogob. This is very significant because occupying is not the same as colonising; the NFD and western somalia are colonised; Balanbaal and Galdogob were occupied. It was with great dismay that I read that the hotel-created-qabil- infested-low in IQ- high on getting funds had agreed (or signed a MoU) with Kenya on "disputed territory". I have read the memo (and I hope our sophist can help us reveal the implication) and it appears that a part of somali proper has been sacrificed; the romour mills state that there are natural resources. And guess who agreed to this sell out? the son of our great hero Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke. I wonder when this pseudo-somali government will sell Beled xawo, Doolow, dhuusaay, Ceelberde, qorac joomo, Dhoobley,Beledweyne, Balanbaal, Galdogob; Buhooldle, oodweyne all the way to half of Awdal etc. I guess the "f..." Cumar (he is not even worth the same sharmarke at the end) got the kenyan authorities to collect taxes from goods into somalia.

**** xaar baratay. That is what this government is; The members of the fake parliament; the same as Doofaarey The selection of Shariif Sheraton- dito The selection of the PM The selection and scope of the cabinet; underpinned by the doofaarey spirit. Dhoofka The result; People in Muqdisho have yet to see the so called peace caravan (Xiin, 2008). It is back to square one; more killings; more wars. Spare us the nonsense about the uluma- there is no such thing as Ulumo in Muqdisho; they are warlords, tribalists, divisionists who have realised a business idea.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: I don't have to be Reuters to deliver news. I don't have to give reasons when it is stuff and cantarabaqash. Just when I thought you are going to prove me wrong!!!!!!!!!! What is "Stuff and Cantarbaqash"? Help me understand what these words mean. Do you mean the notion of southern somalia=stable is ......? Last chance before my hypothesis is accepted.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: what do u want me to say ?? I don't have to waste my time arguing sxb ... i'll just deliver the news and that is it. As for my responses, i just say what it takes. Go on bro, you are improving Say why you think this is "Stuff and Cantarabaqash". Give us reasons, motivate your statements etc. Tell us why you should deliver news bro? Are you "Reuters"? AFP? a news agent?

Jaceylbaro, I have noticed two things about what you (your username) contributes to SOL discussions. 1) One liners; no discussions: you sound like my baby niece bro; she has the tendency to catch two words every day and repeats them 2) Copy and pastes from other sources. Both the above results in the "flooding" of the site and threads (no wonder you have accumulated 1000s of messages). Defend yourself against those two and prove me wrong bro; and by the way don't copy and paste your reply)

Yeah, to some extent. I want to add a few things: That will set a stop to fatuutlands and their xawaaley sounding supporters on SOL. These hindi like hugs who expose our eyes to toxic tribalism; my fatuutland is better than yours; Did you realise we have the highest mountains (read a stone); did you realise we have an ocean that is larger than the rest (read; wadi). Did you see our sheraton and world trade centres (read naqshad). But neither the south nor any other place in somalia will achieve peace unless there is an all out attack on two main causes of our plight; 1) Tribalism; this is a cancer on our society. It really hurts my heart when I see fairly educated somalis who still blv in this primitive nonsense. The war on tribalism should be fought; go to your local mosque and ask the pseudo-sheikhs to denounce this nonsense ( I know you risk being called ilaahey warkiisaad beenesey) but give it a try. Form a network that is beyond tribalism. Humiliate your local tribal chief by calling your tribe a disease or xaar. 2) elusive justice; all over somalia there are thousands who are in graveyards without an ounce of justice; the culture of impunity should end; this is related to point one above; Don't support murderers, rapists and warlords. By the way, I read somewhere about Meiji's concept of Muqdisho society: he has a point-in fact a valid one- but our compulsive bullies oops tribalists aka cyber tribalists have attacked him. This shows what many somalis (in particular SOL) harbour on the people of muqisho. I wish the people of muqdisho all the luck: they have suffered alot at the hands of warlords, tribalists etc. They should speak for justice instead of kursi though; the likes of Abdi qaybdid, jalaxow, maxamed dheere are living in their midst. Finally, unless you believe in fatuutlands, the breadbasket of somalia is in the south; that is one of the reasons why somalia has a problem. We are not taking about barren- soil. Fight tribalism, it is the ill that is tearing our society apart. Justice should be our goal. Wadaad iyo waranlaba waan la gafay

I agree with Paragon. Somalis in the diaspora should either buy their homes and invest in somalia (there are some pockets of peace in somalia) or buy homes in the countries they live in. A third alternative is to invest in North Eastern, It wouldn't surprise (given Kenyan's history of screening) if the somalis lose their precious homes or are killed like in South Africa. Eastleigh poses a paradox; on the one hand it is booming while on the other detoriating. It is not only in Mombasa/Nairobi that booms but North Eastern is going through an economic boom; the small town of Habaswein (a dusty village a decade or so ago has witnessed many beautiful homes). Mandera iyo Garissa iskaba daa. Mandera has grown, grown, grown. I have always wondered where the money comes from. Aniga waxaan ahay middle class laakin "Boloodh" ama qurbac ma aanan gadanin. Concerning the cajuusos that but property in the middle east, I think they don't know what they are buying; it is Isoo raac. Bal maxaay naqshada u gadanayaa kolley "old age home" ayaa u dambeeyse.

Actually, I declined because I am a coward. I fear to work in an uncertain environment and besides I am overqualified. Srilanka and Afghanistan are dangerous spots. Why don't you transfer to UNDP east Africa where you can blend among the walendo?

Bokero, the best of luck sxb. I was once called for an interview to take a WB position either in Ceylon aka Srilanka and Afghanistan. I was shortlisted but was terrified; so I declined. Who knows had I taken the job in Afghanistan we would have met. How many years is your placement? If you travel to western Afghanistan (bordering Iran) there are some people who are dark skinned- and you might have felt at home.

Xiin, you are defaming someone brother. I am begining to doubt your honesty as a good somali. Do you have tribalism as an ace up your sleeves brother? Toloow ma magaciisaan ku qancinin? ( I have this sheeydhaan thoughts). Mise jaalahaan si gooni ayaad u taqaanaa? Xiin, it seems that an anarchist from your perspective is someone who does not agree with your views on somalia- am I right? It is a label you give to anyone who wants peace that has eluded us for decades. You want adhoc solutions that is likely to uphold prevailing wisdom of death, destruction and rule by the dark forces of tribalism. Your view is exactly why we somalis do not get anywhere; variety in views is what makes a nation bro. Admit it bro, and let SOL readers know that you made a mistake of defaming this Culusow!!!!!!!!!!

Xiin, nin baad u gaftay akhi maadaama aad ku tilmaantay inuu wado rabshad adigoo aan cadeeyn u haaynin. Waxaad moodaa inaad akhrinin qoraalkiisa. Dadku waa qaldamaa ee qiro-oo ha ku adkeeysanin arrimaha noocaani ah sxb. Ma waxaad dooneeysaa in lagugu raaco tallo kasto oo aad soo jeedisid? waa waxuu wadankeena ku burburay bro. Kala rayi reer baa lagu dhaqaa. isku rai wadan baa ku burbura.

Waxaan quud dareeyneynaa xiin inuu cadeeyaa eedeynta uu jaalahaan u soo jeediyey

This UN(useless nations) guy never ceases to surprise me. In the 500+ parliament that he summoned and blessed in Djibouti there are a number of warlords who are guilty of several crimes against humanity. In addition in the quisling adminstration we find Abdi qaydid, the tesco worker turned butcherer and many more and now he is calling for a probe?

Allamaganow, sxb waxaan la yaabe ninka Xiin Faniin siduu isu bedelay. Waxaay ila tahay in xaajiga xukumada Hotel-jiif wax u ballanqaaday. Weli waxaan ka sugnaaba waa cadeeynta uu ka haayo qoraalada Culusow.

Originally posted by Twisted_Logic: Gen Duke, As a staunch supporter of the former Somali quisling Abdullahi Yusuf you are catching at straws and that is expected. Up until the last minute of his 15 seconds of fame, Abdullahi Yusuf and his supporters were pulling off one stunt after another. He refused to accept Nur Ade’s cabinet, refused to endorse the firing of the Mogadishu mayor, refused to accept the outcome of the Djibouti Peace Talks and went as far as to call it a gathering of one clan and in the end “fired” his Prime Minister and named another one. Until the last day of his expected official booting and fall from grace, he was making retarded illogical claims of going back to Mogadishu and working with his “new” Prime Minister. In the end, like all quislings he came back to reality and had to accept the utter reversal of fortunes, courtesy of the tactical political maneuverings of Ahmed AbdiSalan and PM Nur Ade. Still, Abdullahi Yusuf “resigned” because of health issues eh? Try challenging me on that and I will dump articles from both local and international press here with tones so poisonous that it will humiliate you just as much as your idol. ( For Example) Unlike you, I can distinguish important real concrete facts/news from fluff and deranged fantasies ( you know your fantasies about Abdullahi Yusuf resigning because of health issues and “Yusuf’s acolytes in the cabinet”) Once again, the facts are making a mockery of your claims. Abdullahi Yusuf’s sudden fall from grace and ensuing humiliation whereby he was forced to become a refugee in Yemen and the sudden rise to power by the man he called a terrorist in 2006 keeps him and his supporters in permanent emotional constipation. It is not just the infinite retarded teenagers on Somali Forums but also his base-group’s political leaders and media that can’t stop crying about Ahmed AbdiSalan and Nur Ade. But make no mistake about it, Nur Ade will either go back to his home in London and retire with grace and honor or re-join the UN and Ahmed AbdiSalan will either become the Somali ambassador to the UN or wait for his ultimate ascend to the top echelons in Somali politics in the future. He has time by his side. Ps, I am still waiting for you to tell me what power “ these many key players” have in this government. Ps, Somalia is today in the right hands and for that I am immensely proud and happy for the work done by Ahmed AbdiSalan and Nur Ade and the work that will be done by this new administration. Twisted logic; you deserve a better nickname; may I propose "intelligent mind"?. On a second thought never argue with tribalists aka quislings aka laughing stock on SOL because some may not notice the difference between thee and them. This brady bunch has been on record defending the amxaaro lackeys at the behest of innocent somalis. They don't care about somalia(s). They have been seduced by tribalism. They are intellectually challenged to understand the fact that we live in anno 2009. In their minds their somalia is one that will be based on tyrany. They deviate from truths and facts. They cannot independently analyse a phenomenon without seeking the mandate of their sick tribal warlords inept on committing gross human rights abuses. If you oppose them (using classic argument techniques) you are termed as somebody who wants to leave somalia (notice how good old somalinimo points of view are called somaliland stance), supporting warlordism, looting and moryanimo (this is how those from somali proper are called).

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: I could be fairly accused that I am unreasonably harsh on this individual. But what gets me is how Ulusow opposed, article after article, any peace initiative to restore the state. It’s about the time SOL exposes his anarchism agenda and calls him for what he is. Bal muxuu rabaa, qoor iyo xero beeluhu? Mr. Faniin, you are not only unfair but you are committing an intellectual fallacy by not telling us what in his message you disagree with. Where exactly is he guilty of taking an anarchistic perspective? what do you mean by anarchy sxb? Do you mean anyone against Sheikh Sharif is an anarchist? He raises several issues worth discussing. It seems to me at least- and probably to many on SOL- that anyone who deviates from your wisdom on the TFG II is a traitor, an anarchist, a tribalist. Do you want us to applaud the defects of the so called Djibouti process? Do you want us to engage in "jaaleeyaalow sacbiya waa beri samaade?". This is exactly the problem with us somalis! We don't want critical messages that differ from our percieved love for a political process. I don't know that guy but based on what he wrote I detect no tribal motive. He expressed misgivings and the least you could at least do is to tell us why you think he is wrong.

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Xiin, It is appropiate that we refrain from "titles" e.g. al-shabaab bestowed upon ppl when discussing somali issues. Now back to your question; I am not talking about clanwise ( I hate clanism with passion). Do you mean to tell me that there no good somalis in the south regardless of their clan? As a person who introduced the best thread on SOL (2008) on peace momentum, you should know more than anyone that "peace" should be the keyword- and peace will not be achieved through the appointment of the son of Abdirashid ali sharmarke.

Xiin, There are thousands related (at least in the somali tribalism discourse) to "Dr Cumar" in Kismayo and the rest of the south- don't you know this adeer???????? and my point was this adeer; how are you going to convince the southern part of somalia when the president and the prime minister are not from Gedo, Jubbooyinka, shabeelloyinka, bay and bakool? Isn't it these regions that you want to bring into the mould of the government? isn't it here that the government needs dire support? This has nothing to do with tribalism unless you are joining the !qabil spotting gang on sol. Kismayo is run by someone from Somaliland Marka is run by someone from Puntland at least ku abtirsado.

Xiin, What? Etu xiin? I never knew you will join the chorus of those tribalists who view criticism as tribally laden? Could you again read what I wrote above and tell me where you find the "wrong clan" approach? War ma sidaan ku mooday mise sidaad noqotay? I was either totally wrong about you or you wore a disguise; In either case I am disappointed big time by your comments sxb!

Where is Maxamed dheere btw? Joined the al-shabaab? Joined ahlu sunna wa koraankor? Joined the TFG (version 2)?