Hassan, Is it good news that thousands have fled their homes in Xamar???? I guess good news in your world and Xiin's world is when thousands are forced to leave their homes. This kind of good news has been with us for 18 years.

Filimkaan hore ayaa loo soo galay; Dabadheeg, wasn't this a-hole the warlord who terrorised the residents of Beledweyne? Madina (Dharkenleey is mor-yaan created area)has been peaceful for a large part of this decade; now this government has orchestrated bloodshed in the relatively peaceful oasis. Did you read that Indha-cade is also posed to attack Gubadleey? Your government, Yaa xiin, is a war-lord government; and it will fail.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Waranle, is it me or did you talk about peace caravan somewhere in the politics section? Adeer the peace caravan is still there with a new feature; it’s armed. It’s armed because of significant growth of armed bandits and scofflaws like you who are resolved to kill the leaders of the caravan preventing its message of peace and dialogue. You got in the way of peace, naturally you must be removed so the caravan can continue its march forward. It’s a fitting mitigation, don’t you think yaa Waranle The Anarchist? It was thee that introduced the peace caravan; maxaa kugu dhacay ma khafiiftay? If you are asserting that peace will be achieved by killing, you are Pol Pot. Have you been to the killing fields of Campuchea? Anarchism ( and I am flattered) is a better notion than a tribalistic government that will lead us on the same trajectory as the government before it. You cannot achieve peace by using force on the same people you want to govern. Spare us the cool-aid sxb; there is no government forces; it is a mo-ryaan army that is led by warlords and we know what the moryaans are capable of. It is Your "president" is a warlord who despite your rants on SOL has lost the support of somalis.

Duke, do you think the thugs, the footsoldiers of yalaxow, maxamed dheere, abdi qeybdid, qanyare and Indho-cade, are not capable of raping women?? These warlords and their henchmen are today part and parcel of sheikh shariif's militia. Correction sxb; sheikh sharif is amirul mo-r-yaan.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Good news. It’s a good strategy too. So says the guy whose so called peace caravan har evolved into a war caravan. What kind of strategy is this? More weapons so that somalis continue to slaughter each other? If you think somalia's problems will end with arms to a government, why were you against the TFG (Doofaarey edition)? There is no government or government forces to talk about in somalia, yaa xaaji; Your government forces consists of; 1: Warlords 2: Tribal militia 3: thugs who by virtue of terrorising somalis want to make a few dollars here and there. Waa wax laga xishoodo inaad taageertid Suudi, Qanyare, Maxamed Dheere, Cabdi qeybdid, Indho-cade and the rest of the Muqdisho warlords.

Meiji, I refer you to page 3 (?) for my answers to your questions; I expect you to address those points. Do you seriously blv the crap about ahlu-sunna wa jameeca in the gobolada dhexe? These are tribal gangs who have jumped on the bandwagon known as the fight against islamists sxb. There is money to be made, posts at stake and a dance or two with some xaawaleeys. Soomaalis are very innovative and enterprising; lacag iyo magac u sheeg and they will start calling themselves names. Mideeda kale, hadaad taqaanid gobolada dhexe ma aadan tiraahdeen suufi ayaa jooga suufi's homeland is in bay, bakool, some parts of gedo, shabeelooyinka and jubbooyinka-- meeshaasina kama aanan maqlin ahlu sunna wax la yiraahdo. Marka, tell it the shimbiraha heesa

Waryaa, the notion that "the people who fire the morters from residential areas are to be blamed" has been constantly used by the supporters of the old defunct TFG on SOL. History seems to be repeating itself; blame it on the innocent people who don't have the means to leave the area; This is a sick approach. Haddana ma abtiyaasha, eedoyaasha, adeerada lagu laayey bakaaraha ayaad eeda saareeyso; waa ku sidee igaarkeey? The government you are talking about is a shame to our people. I have seen it in action, I have met some of them including sheikh hotel; and these are entrepreneurs who don't care about their own people except their pockets and to be called madaxweyne, raisul wasaare, wasiir etc

Good, So condemn the so called government and its allies , the warlords. Habeen wanaagsan

This is also the man who was the president the last 20+ days when hundreds of innocent lives have been lost; this is the president who ordered the bombardment of residential areas; this is the president who is today held in power by Yalaxow, maxamed dheere, qanyare and the other butcherers of muqdisho and somalia

I want to address all the injustices, from berkadaha la burburiyey, Waqooyi galbeed's bombardment to warlordism in the south. As I wrote earlier, qanyare, suudi, maxamed dheere and the rest of them have no clan: I don't understand why you want them to belong to a particular clan, waryaa

Recoverning; walaahi weligeey saan uma aanan qoslin; you don't share a clan with him, waryaa ee riwaayada raqiiska naga daa; mise xil buu kuu ballan qaaday? Maxamed dheere and suudi will sink him. Bal eeg sxb wax la sheegtaa badane ee Muuse iyo maxamed dheere ayaad sheegatay? Waryaa caqligigii lagugu yaqiiney aaway? nin l-ibaax baad ahaan jirte, ma sidaan ayaa kuu dambeeysay? Suudi aa? Kaftan aside, sheikh sharif will lead his people to beaches on warshiikh and they will be eaten by sharks.

I don't agree: jeebkaada waaye sxb- afka ha ii gilinin . These criminal warlords should be castrated; and the bones of those who died should be dug out.

RR, facts are scarce in somalia. My "facts" are different than yours.

Originally posted by Recovering-Romantics : quote:Originally posted by [Waranle]: And I forgot; Qanyare, suudi, jeele, abdiqeybdid, indha cade and their henchmen occupy land, homes of innocent somalis. You don't need evidence sxb Without excusing the injustices done by those warlords and the other warlords in Somalia, I disagree with this selective choosing of Somalia's long record of injustice and focusing on episodes whereby one group was the victim and ignoring other instances whereby this very same group was the aggressor and committed injustice. I will not apologize nor will I support giving back homes and farms that were earned through nepotism and pure corruption and greed. I think as a society we need to draw a line. No, no brother. No drawing a line before we recognise the ills. We should seek justice. We should never reward these thugs. Come on, brother, we know of hundreds of farms, villas and other property that never were earned through nepotism, corruption or greed. This is where aóur major difference lies bro; I aspire for justice; you want to let bygones be bygones and in the process agree that crimes do pay.

Recovering romantic; I understand the situation is serious; sheikh sharif's resignation will not make much difference; but he should at least side with the innocent, not surround himself with warlords. This is the man many somalis expected to be the saviour; but he has been disappointment; the suuqa bakaaraha and the nearby urban centres are being bombed; who is doing this? Not abdullahi Yusuf, not ethiopians..but sheikh sharif!!! Sheikh sharif is proving to be a power hungry president. He seems to have been eluded by the mandate he was given; peace and reconciliation. It should be worrying that he is sleeping with the warlords who have damaged the image of "the muqdisho society" to quote Meiji.

Recovering romantic; Why didn't you write this when the TFG was holed in Baydhabo janeey? This is a warlord government and somalia has experiences on what warlords can do when armed. The last thing you want to happen in Muqdisho is tanks used on innocent somalis. The fact of the matter is that Sheikh Hotel is today kept in power by Yalaxow, qanyare, suudi, qeybdid and Indha-cade; the same warlords that caused havoc. If you want tanks for these warlords and their tribal militia, then you are on the side of the warlords.

And I forgot; Qanyare, suudi, jeele, abdiqeybdid, indha cade and their henchmen occupy land, homes of innocent somalis. You don't need evidence sxb

Originally posted by Meiji: quote:Originally posted by [Waranle]: Meiji, What corner am I coming from bro? If you want lasting peace in somalia, you should recognise past mistakes, past crimes and past wrongs. Otherwise you risk becoming intellectually bankrupt, a tribalistic bigot who is willing to defend past ills. If you are a son of Muqdisho (I have read that you wrote "muqdisho society") who wants a new dawn, you should condemn the actions of warlords and tribalists who have held Muqdisho hostage for decades. Defending atrocities e.g. the confistication of properties, the occupation of homes and the murder and rape of our nation by warlords does not do you good. Qanyare, Sudi et al have become rich at the behest of our people, my people and your people. Their power evolves on using tribalism, inciting hatred and warlordism. Don't be like die-hard tribalists on these boards who are willing to defend wrongs; waa iga waana maandhow. About these so called "mujaahidiin", you and I know that there is a tribal element to their newly found fame. These are the same people who are willing to slaughter other somalis. This is riwaayad hindi as my young niece will say. They have found a business idea- I will call them conflict entrepreneurs. Nabadeey Waranle, You ask me from what corner? Your words already disclose that it is you who suffers from clan cuqdad and behaves like a tribalistic bigot. Lets see what you have uttered so far: - Meiji, and recovering romantic, you two have brought a much needed perspective to SOL; a muqdisho perspective What is this Mogadishu perspective? Please explain. - ''a son of Muqdisho '' what in the hell does that mean? That I am born in Mogadishu? Or is it a hint towards my clan background? - Your singled out only warlords who hail from one Somali group, no mentioning of other warlords who are from other groups and are also in their own towns and regions. - Then you accused me of supporting Sh.Shariif and turning a blind eye to him while hinting that I and others opposed A.Yusuf for clan reasons. - You threw around rethorics of ''warlords occupying houses'' which has no basis and can only be viewed as a tribally motivated argument. Now tell me: - Who are these warlords? Are they only those political pretenders hailing from one group, and were active in Mogadishu or has the word ''warlord'' a broader meaning to you? Remember, It is you who came to this thread and started throwing with accusations and tribally-motivated rethorics and such nonsense can not be tolerated sxb. Meiji, raali ahaw laakin waxaan kuugu yeerayaa *****-fowqul-***** Let me make a few things clear sxb: a) the sentence that you and RR have brought a muqdisho perspective is not meant as a negative criticism; I like it, specially when these boards have witnessed discussions about laba xaawaley; kind of indian hags who boast about how their sons have exhaled. b) you were the one who introduced the term Muqdisho society; I like the concept of muqdisho society but in my world this does not include warlords. Being called a muqdisho son is a positive thing, so don't be a self-hating person. c) Warlords have no tribes; you should have read my stance on Barre hiraale, Abdullahi Yusuf and the rest of them. We are commiting an intellectual fallacy if we don't recognise the role of warlords from Muqdisho. They have inflicated the worst kind of atrocities against somalis- in particular- your so called Muqdisho society. d) These warlords who have maimed, robbed and killed somalis are today in the mould of the sheikh hotel government; and that should send a signal. Your support of these warlords will make you a laughing stock e)Finally, I have been called a person with cuqdud when I stood by the side of the innocent Muqdishawis when the TFG (doofaarey) were bombing them. It is funny how the dynamics of somali "politics" change; I have been called a supporter of the warlords; and now you are implying that I support a certain group. Bal baxoo soo qaxweey widaay... you are in murky waters.

I don't know whether they can shine shoes but I know that the tanks will be used on the same people they want to rule. Besides, if you think that somalia's problems can be improved with the help of tanks, you are insane. Less tanks/weapons more talking

Meiji, What corner am I coming from bro? If you want lasting peace in somalia, you should recognise past mistakes, past crimes and past wrongs. Otherwise you risk becoming intellectually bankrupt, a tribalistic bigot who is willing to defend past ills. If you are a son of Muqdisho (I have read that you wrote "muqdisho society") who wants a new dawn, you should condemn the actions of warlords and tribalists who have held Muqdisho hostage for decades. Defending atrocities e.g. the confistication of properties, the occupation of homes and the murder and rape of our nation by warlords does not do you good. Qanyare, Sudi et al have become rich at the behest of our people, my people and your people. Their power evolves on using tribalism, inciting hatred and warlordism. Don't be like die-hard tribalists on these boards who are willing to defend wrongs; waa iga waana maandhow. About these so called "mujaahidiin", you and I know that there is a tribal element to their newly found fame. These are the same people who are willing to slaughter other somalis. This is riwaayad hindi as my young niece will say. They have found a business idea- I will call them conflict entrepreneurs. Nabadeey

Meiji, You cannot deny the fact that a)the dreaded warlords who have caused havoc in Muqdisho are members of this government and b) that they are occupied properties in Muqdisho. If you want somalia to be peaceful , you should at least recognise the ills caused by the warlords who are now part and parcel of the TFG II. You and RR should answer one basic question that has been posed on these boards; - why do you support this bad copy of the TFG? and oppose Abdullahi Yusuf? double standards?

Johny B, Sheikh sharif a) Clanist manipulative warlord b) selected by warlords c) fooled almost all somalis d) succeeded in bringing back the early 90s to the residents of Muqdisho e) bombed his own people just the previous TFG did f) promised changed but delivered business as usual Double standards; Sheikh Sharif = Abdullahi Yusuf I wonder why you people were opposing Abdullahi Yusuf and the TFG

RR, what??? What did we do with the thousands of the T54s, the airforce and the navy that somalia had in the late 80s? They were used on the people. Stop and ask yourself why there is resistance against the so called government; this is a warlord government and giving tanks to them will never solve the somali problem. You need to get rid of tribalism and those elected through the sick tribal process;get rid of sheikh hotel, his 500+ ***-licker. childkiller, religious entrepreneurs and tribal c-ums. Only your mind do tanks end civil wars, my friend. BTW, why were you opposing the previous TFG?

What is checkpoint sharia? Would you prefer check-point justice a la Yalaxow? Isbaaro? Mind you even the so called government has agreed to impose sharia (a very popular word). I guess the TFG sharia is qabiil justice where only minorities and those lama oyaans will be targeted. It happened in Muqdisho under Sheikh Cali Dheere, the stooge who supported Cali Mahdi. I will rather have an all encompassing sharia than qabiil-based sharia.

Tanks and governments are not good combinations; specially if that government's enemy is its own people. Somalia does not need tanks; it needs food, education and dialogue.