Meiji, You could accuse me of anything but not having double standards! I stand by the plight of the innocent. You support warlords blindly without reflecting on their criminal acts. You don't need any evidence to know who is a warlord or not. Let us see; - You condemn Abdillahi Yusuf government; you support a bad copy of the TFG. That is a double standards! - You are insulting the hundreds of thousands of somalis who have perished, made homeless, humiliated by warlords from Muqdisho while bombarding us with the success of warlords; That is double standards. and you have the guts to call me a double standardist? I have never supported warlords, I have never supported warlords laden presidents; Abdiqasim, Ali Mahdi, Abdullahi Yusuf and Sheikh Sharif. I have always supported the voiceless. Now who is pursuing a double standard here? Back to Indha-cade; this is the worst warlord in our history. You can't deny that this warlord has been murdering, humiliating and selling water to somalis all the way from Xamar to Kismayo. It makes you look ****** if you ask for evidence; warlords are warlords and they are known.

Meiji, I see so it is near the good old ceelbuur (ceelbbuur ku yaalad ceynkeeda leedahay ma maqashashay? Do they grow beans there because that is Ceelbuur is known for? Somalia is a failed state sxb. Otherwise we wouldn'y be discussing warlords, wars etc. We have to admit that.

Meiji, I was not born in Muqdisho ( I am on record calling it the cradle of civilisation) but I love it and its people save the warlords, the tribalists and the double standardists like you. Back to the topic; Do you really shed a tear for the injuries or death of this warlord?

Give me a few names of somali warlords and I will condemn them. Waranle does not subscribe to the notion of belong to a primitive social structure called tribalism. You cannot deny that Muqdisho society has produced more warlords than any other society; I think I am begining to understand why; They are supported in their murderous endeavours by people like you.

Duke, waxbo xageey ku taala sxb? I have never heard of this place despite the fact that I know the geography of somalia; ma ceel biyood ayaa ku yaala? It is difficult nowdays to get a grasp pf places; Sisi, Dharkanleey, Dayniile etc are place names that did not mean anything when somalia existed; nowadays they are called degomooyin.

Hassan , or shall I call you Sigmond, go ahead be my guest and analyse Waranle.

Originally posted by Meiji: Waranle, You have forgotten the other pseudo-religious warlords: Sh.Aweys Sh.Mansuur Sh.Turki Sh.Raage Sh.Alzeylaci All religious pretenders. On a serious note: You should seek help for your cuqdad against the main groups of Mogadishu, because so far you have only targetted warlords from that city while conveniently overlooking the other Somali warlords. Either adress all warlords regardless of clan in order to show that you are genuine or just openly admit that your intention is to target a particular group. With all due respect you could accuse those people of many things, but you can't accuse them of tribalism. As to the issue of cuqdad, I think we have discussed that before; or was it with Recovering romantic? If you think I am condemning these warlords because they belong to a different tribe than mine, then you are in the dark. I have condemned every warlord and you could dig my contributions on SOL and how I have been called a supporter of Caydid, indho cade and the rest of the warlords from muqdisho society.

Indha-cade makes the rest of the warlords from your beloved muqdisho society look like innocent toddlers. At least the other warlords turned their guns on muqdisho society, this bugger has enslaved countless other societies. The death of Indhacade and or injuries to this warlord should be celebrated by even those who are on the side of sheikh hotel. Spare me the nonsense about evidence Meiji. This is an issue that is not denied by anyone.

Meiji, I don't have respect for any "wadaad" who sides with warlords and tribalists. Do you know sheikh Umul? Tell us about his CV.

Meiji, no I did not publish. This is not a romour mill sort of thing; only people blinded by tribalism does not realise this gross crime. p.s you don't oppose warlords my friend , so spare us the crap. If you do then we could not have this discussion. You are a shame to Muqdisho society. You side with the people who are responsible for the plight of hundreds of thousands of Muqdisho society. d.s

You know what Meiji, you talk about power hungry warlords, pseudo religious warlords so let us see who is who in somalia; 1. Sheikh Indhacde = warlord, pseudo religious N 2. Sheikh Sharif = pseudo religious power hungry thug 3. Abdi qeybid = vicious walord who assisted in the killing of somalis from 1990- todate 4. Al xaaji Muuse Yalaxow: warlord 5. Qanyare ditto 6. Hebelkaa Raage 7. Maxamed dheere sidoo kale 8. Gobaal .. .... .... The list goes on and on. Your so called muqdisho society ( and to be honest, I like the term) has been good at only one thing the past 18 years; producing warlords, after warlords. It seems that this is what they aspire to. Denial will not solve our problem; Muqdisho society should acknowledge the crimes of conflict entrepreneurs. Go ahead give me your list of "pseudo- religious warlords".

Meiji, I am not lying saaxib. I have talked to witnesses and investigated this issue. That is what is eluding you and many who claim to hail from Xamar; you protect and justify the actions of warlords. From Afgoye to Shalanbood, jenaale to buulo mareer, from awdheegle to ceel jaale, this b-astard enslaved somalis. Why are you supporting warlords, yaa Meiji?

Sheikh Meiji (and I will call you that because you seem to have alot in common with Sheikh Indha-cade), did I claim that I have studied islam? Did I ever mention that I am a scholar? well, I am a scholar of camel herding. Whose side are what you call "the clanist warlords" Meiji? My common sense and my experience (I have seen many a wadaad who will bless even geelqaad) tell me that to be so called somali culuma, you don't need to be a scholar or well versed in islam.

The sheikh hotel government is a bad copy of the Doofaareey government. It is like a rerun of a bad horror movie. What surprises many somalis is that with Sheikh Sharif people aspired for change. Instead, what they got is horror. Hassan, you don't know what you are talking about. If you have relatives in Xamar or care for those innocent people in Xamar, then you will realise that there is no safe area. In addition, this impotent government is not different than the TFG. Sheikh hotel is proving to be another power hungry warlord thug who has fooled many somalis. He has brought back and used tribalism which was in decline.

If this is true i.e. Indha-cade the warlord, the seller of the shabeelle water to the peasants of shabeele, then all sane somalis have a reason to celebrate. This warlord is even worse than Yalaxow, suudi, maxamed dheere etc, this warlord wants to enslave somalis; he was engaged in enslaving people.

Sheikh Waranle says most of the so called culumas are easily bought by a few zabs, a few dollars, a few naming calling (waa sheikh maasha-allah)and they start singing "qabiilku waa wax ilaaheey sheegay",. Unless we get an culuma like sheikh Boqolsoon (aun) who compared the worshopping of tribalism a la somalis to Saint Clause then the so called culumos are just a bunch of calooshooda u shaqeeystoyaal.

Maskinow, let us put into context the reasons why Sheikh hotel was selected; a) There was an ongoing war; the TFG with the help of Ethiopia was bombarding civilians in Muqdisho in the name of fighting insurgents. There were hundreds killed, most of them not fighting with or for any side. b) The souther part of somalia (deep south was undergoing some changes; through local dynamics, village after village was gaining some long sought peace. c) The international community was concerned. I hope we agree on the above points. What followed was this; It was alleged that the TFG did not command the support of the somali masses; that the hurdle to lasting peace was the TFG. As usual another conference was arranged in haste without considering the facts. On top of the 270 tribalists, warlords and conflict entrepreneurs another 200+ joined them. The mission; avoid wars; guns should not be fired; peace should be the key word even if this meant annoying some allies. The real motive of sheikh hotel begun to evolve a few days later. Instead, of listening and analysing the situation in somalia; he embarked on the usual nonsense; 4,5 appointment of a prime minster. Meanwhile, the dynamics of the breadbaskets of somalia were changing; peace was reported from Kismayo, golwein, Baydhabo janaay, berdaale, buale and what have you. And what did sheikh hotel do? Yeah, visit Adisabeba, sweet talk about reconciliation and visits to global cities in search of some sacbo tun, buraanbur and a few bucks to give to his next of kin. I am not kidding, I know people who payed some sheikh hotel relatives to come to Istanbul, Belgium. Soon somalis realized that this saint was no different from Abdullahi Yusuf, Abdiqasim and the rest of so called leaders who have shamed ad raped our nation. Who started the war you asked? does it matter? this is a government and president who ca´me to power never to fire. If Sheikh hotel is the saint you think he is; he should leave the scene; or engage in a bold move; conduct direct negotiation with those in power in the deep south (his former allies). He mentioned talks but we have yet to see a comprehensive strategy; somalis love the word negotiation but when it comes to walking the walk there is just doing the talk.

sherban, Tell me why you think Sheikh hotel is the right person to fix somalia's problems. Ethiopians or not, the fact of the matter is that somalis are dying in Xamar as they did when the Ethiopians were there. Sheikh hotel has increased the tribal hatred that had besieged Muqdisho for decades. This warlord has fooled somalis and the international community into believing that he could bring change. To many in Muqdisho he has continued the suffering. People did not pose questions to his background, to his manipulative skills or his love for power. Sheikh hotel is a blessing for the warlords; these dreaded thugs had their days numbered but with the onset of this so called government they are experiencing revival.

Xiin's attack on anyone who does not share his love for sheikh hotel. Notice, how he attacks Culusow without a shred of evidence. Alamagan's words of prophecy have come true.

Maskinow, I am dead serious; This is a bad copy of the Abdullahi Yusuf government. You can't condemn Abdullahi Yusuf's government and condone Sheikh hotel since their selection process is the same, the same killing tactics, the same strategies. About the Xabshi talk spare us that sxb: Sheikh Sharif is supported 100% by habashi; they provide the arms. Shariifka sideebuu u dhamaa???? Abdiqeybdid, suudi, maxamed dheere, cusmaan caato, qanyare, indhah cado ayaa garab taaganee???? U sheeg islaanta lagu kufsaday xamar, gurigeeda iyo beertadana la bililiqeystay arrintaas.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Some times states kill to assert their authority and survive. Today it's a defensive war that the government is engaged in. Dont make it sound like Sharif wanted to exercise some fake power. And btw monopoly of violence is one of the oldest sources of power. Nithaamul qahri , it’s called. waraa ha ku dhiman meesha, in xamar there is no intellectual discussion, and if there was ever one Sharif easily captured its summit. There is a raging war however. This is no time for cheap theatrics. Either you accept the offer of the government, which is to come to the table and negotiate in good faith. Or you continue believing your own rhetoric to overthrow the transitional government with a two-year term, and see how far you get with that approach. My guess is you will regret starting this war. So Xiinow, Ali Mahdi was right in using force? Caydid too?, Abdullahi Yusuf also??? I never read anywhere you supported them. My guess is that you will abandon this government once you start to think. Think, think. You are right there is no time for intellectual discussion, but you and I have the liberty to do so. And why are wishing war on innocent citizens of Muqdisho yaa Xiin?????????

What were your objectives? Kill and engage in a clan war; habar wacasho; yaa tolkeey ah in Muqdisho? If you think the solution to somalia's problems lies in force, you must live on saturnas!!! By the way wasn't "will be dealt with force" the same language that was used by the Doofaarey TFG. - and if my memory serves me well, you did not support it. Looba joogo

So says the M-oryaan supporter; he is in love with Dabaddheeg, abdi qeybdid, indha cade, yalaxow, qanyare, cismaan caato and the rest of the the pigs. I would rather be an anarchist than lend my support to a government that kills its own people; a government that gains support from Mor-yaans who have raped our nation.

About the mucaarad, I wouldn't support any government that does not make justice and war against clanism a priority; I was mucaarad to Caydid,Ali Mahdi, Abdiqasim, Abdullahi Yusuf and now this defunct trigger hungry warlord government.

MMA, ma soo fagtay? Good work , waan raadinaayey mowluucan. I stand by those words and my assumptions have been proved right. Yes, Sheikh Sharif is a clanist, the appointment of ina abdirashid (whose father I admire) was not based on logic and on making somalia a peaceful place. Why was ina Abdirashid appointed? Wouldn't things have been different if this government had from the onset appointed someone from Gedo, jubooyinka, shabeelooyinka, bay and bakool? With this, I don't mean from the tribes that are domiciled there; there are millions of somalis who are from e.g. Bay without tribal affiliation. The same goes for "from Muqdisho"; there are thousands that are from Muqdisho without tribal connotation. Now, sheikh hotel has alot of convincing to do in those regions. Simply put; the solution of somalia is not in the sick 4,5 formulae. Marka maxaa cusub oo aad ku soo dareeysaa??? Btw, I hate the double standards of somalis on SOL. If you wanted this kind government, why were you calling for the downfall of Abdullahi Yusuf?????