Nuur, salaan 114 quraanka kariimka ah iga gudoon akhi. Thanks alot for your prompt reply. Indeed saaxib I am contempleting doing something in africa. I went to garamgaramland last year and I was fascinated by the simplicity of life. My dad 82 lives in a remote area herding cattle. and insha allah I am thinking of abandoning my western life to perhaps do some kind of livestock farming. I am insha allah going to start some kind of business which involves animals- the donkey was an original idea laakin lo'oleey baan noqonayaa! Gabar waa lagu siinayaa sxb!!! xaggaasi dadka dega gabdhaha waa lais siyaa! reer abtigeey baan kaaga raadinayaa. p.s sxb magacaan aad iigu yeertay ka tir meesha!

Darwiish saaxib qofkii ra'igaaga mid ka duwan wato ma quraafaad buu wataa???? cajiib! The reality is that if we don't punish those who have committed genocide then we are doomed to fail as people. For God's sake this an open forum !

Nuur saaxib marka kowaad soo dhowow. waa nin qaxooti ah oo ka yimid somalinet- waa ninkii reer garam garam oo aay qarabada ahaayeen reer qurac iyo reer qansax! Bro, I have been thinking of starting a dream project in africa. I have over nearly a quater of century dwelled on the idea of having a donkey farm in somalia. Having studied the problems of the continet and somalia in particular, I have concluded that the major problem facing the people is lack of water..or to put it more clearly accessability of water. I have also concluded that the animal whose contribution is mostly underestimated is the donkey. I honestly believe that the donkey has the potential to help africans survive. Imagine having a donkey farm to breed donkeys that could be sold and used as water transport in the dry semi-arid areas of Mudug, Nugaal, Galgaduud, the bay region, bakool and gedo. Not to mention the garamgaram-land. I have since last year being investigating how best I could raise some funds to make this dream come true. with the grace of Allah, I am hoping that after I have acquired the best degree that humanbeings give to each other I can be able to embark on this endeavour. I have considered not only breeding but also marketing the produce of the donkey. Through various research I have, for example, found that what we consume in hambuger chains are horse meat. this could be substituted for donkey meat 9or zebra). I have also this wild fantacy of making donkey cheese. But there is one major problem! As the son of dhal-owliyaad I have the religious aspect to take into consideration. I have asked several muslim scholars about their views on this idea. Frankly Nuur, the answers were unequivocal. Most of them, without refering to any sura or hadith claim that anything to do with a donkey is xaaram. others rebuff at the idea of aqoonyahan waxaasi ka fikaryo! therefore, my learned brother Nuur, help me.

Dantey : well said saaxib! There is no hate between somalis anywhere! Let us stop practising the cheap politics of hate. The person who said he saw some old women who spat on the ground on hearing about somalis...Shame on you!!!! somaliland is domiciled by somalis. Xiis: you are right , we need some sort of justice to bring all those responsible for genocide to a court of law. But raw revenge would only cause mayhem.

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Salaama, What the hell has happened to the good names of faarax and Halimo(Xaliimo)? In the good old days xalimo and faarax were names given to the best children a mother could have. Can any of you give me a logical reason why these two names are taking some bashing in the somali communties overseas? Thanks

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Dantey...first of all let me start with a desclaimer: I am not from mogadishu or the south of somalia- so my judgement is purely based on an intellectual -non biased analysis of the somali situation. secondly, bro, I agree generally with your points but it seems that your views are biased. It is not about presidents, warlords or persons but a whole country bro. I don't want to defend caydid, abdiqasim or anyone in somalia. You know as well as I do that warlords are everywhere including PUntland which makes the synthesis of your argument. The same applies as to fake degrees.... this is a somali disease bro! Marka let us pray sxb because somalia is on sick bed. By the way, as to resources several studies have been done on somalia- and they all point to enormous riches in the country but you need a functioning adminstration as you rightly put it.

Northerner: 100% true saaxib Faarax, the answer to your questions lie perhaps in the recent history of somalis. Our current youth have been concieved either during the last regime which held a tight grip on somalis- and defined culture according to its synthesis or the cilvil war that followed. During the past 40 or so years that somalis have been independent from white colonial rule, we have witnessed the emergence of a sub-culture whose foundation was based on deceit, double standards etc. We have parents whose perception of culture was based was not based somali culture but a normenculture of benchmarking other cultures. Educators? well sxb, the so called somali intellectuals have not achieved the intellectual capacity which frees them from the malices of other cultures or being bondage to their own subliminal culture?. How could warlords, qabiiliste etc become cultural icons or educators when their school of thought is based on trivities, or the will to imitate other cultures? Marka sxb the answer to your questions lie in the fabric of somali society. i.e. greed, passivness and double standards. We need to change as a nation and redifine somali culture because as it is today somali culture is a cocktail of other cultures.

Rudy kuma fahamin. Ma waxaad leedahay NFD waa meel ka tirsan kenya? Bal cadeey raigaaga sxb

MONEY, lacag, beeso!!!!

Rudy: The Northern Frontier Districts(NFD)comprises of three separate districts: Wajir, Garissa and Mandera. Somalis inhabit almost whole of the eastern part of the region. The demarcation which ran southwards from east of Moyale to Tana River, was created by the British to separate the Somalis pastoral nomads from the rest of the country and to act as buffer zone against Somalia and Ethiopia. this line also separated them from theirs ethnic kinsmen, the Orma and the Borana. Until the 1940s, NFD, {Northern Frontier Districts} was separated from the influence of modern economy. Despite the Pan Somali wave, which reached these parts at the end of 1940, political activities remained dormant until the 1960s when the British administration lifted the ban on political Organization. In this new situation, the Somalis could express their Willingness to join their kinsmen in the Somali Republic. Consequently, New Political parties emerged such as the Northern Province People's Progressive Party {NPPP}, Northern Frontier Democratic Party {NFD}, and the Northern Province People's National Union {NPPNU}. With change in the British attitude, the Somali leaders became suspicious about the British acceptance of the will of its subjects. Following development in the same period in French Somaliland and in Western Somaliland, the Somali government passed a motion in the National Assembly in November 1961 welcoming the union of the Northern Frontier Districts to the Republic. The political momentum in the region received new impetus with the motion. In the following year, at the Kenya Conference held in Lancaster House in London, the NFD delegation firmly voiced their desire to be Granted an autonomous region that would eventually join the Somali Republic. However their request was sharply opposed by the Kenya African National Union {KANU} and the Kenya African Democratic Union {KADU} delegations. Paradoxically, while the KANU and KADU delegation were advocating for self-determination, they were deliberately opposing the same principles in the case of the Somalis. To ease the tension, the British Colonial Secretary at the time, Reginald Maulding, announced the appointment of a commission to survey the opinion of the people concerned. Meanwhile, the Somali government of the time anxiously watched the course of events, and warned the British not to repeat past mistakes. The Commission finding based on a survey held on Oct. 1962, were that the majority favored joining the Somali Republic. However, the British government did not honor its last undertakings given at the Kenya Conference in Lancaster House, but instead betrayed the will of its subjects by announcing in early March 1963, that the NFD was to be brought into Kenya's regional constitution. The British decision led to general discontent throughout the NFD. Consequently, on 11 March 1963, the Somali Republic broke off diplomatic ties with British. The British decision reflected favoritism toward Ethiopian imperialism policy and a desire not to endanger its relationship with the new commonwealth country of Kenya. Had Somalia entered the Commonwealth states after independence, perhaps the matter would not have ended in such way. Britain concentrated more on its future relations than honoring its commitments and responsibilities over its subjects. On 12 December 1963, Kenya received its independence. And in December 1965, the late President Nyerere of Tanzania tried to reopen a dialogue between Kenya and Somalia in Arusha, but the rift between the two nations impeded all means of Resolving the issue and instead led to their diplomatic rapture on 21 June 1966. A period of freedom fighting begun . the "Shifta" wars followed in NFD. These were skirmishes with the Kenya army for about three years. Two of these freedom fighters were Cabdullahi Gamaas and Hassan Gooro! The insurrection then was in its infancy. It did not developed into a fully blown war with the Kenya government. It subsided when leaders decided to solve the matter through dialogue, but the suspicion these wars caused was never to die until today. To tighten its internal security, the Kenya government took drastic security measures and ordered that whoever was to be found sympathetic to the Shifta, the name given to Liberation Front activists, should be imprisoned for life and his property confiscated. For the Somalis, however, it represented the legitimization of one African State colonizing another. The Somalis in this province number about 1.5 million. They occupy the second largest province in Kenya. The province was ruled under martial laws from independence in 1963 to 1993. The exceptional measures continued long after the threat of insurrection had faded, and were accompanied by gross human rights abuses. The most notable is the Wajir massacre of 1984, in which more than 2000 ethnic Somalis were murdered by the security forces. Or the Malkare masaccare in mandera district or the Garissa massacre in the eighties. The Kenya army and the police has been guilty of gross human rights violations. It is the most under-developed province in the country with no proper schools, health care facilities and non-existence infrastructure. # Rudy if you want a historical description of events or the names of the many acts that only regard suffocating the rights of somalis...I could provide you with more! There are several researches conducted on this issue.. To the others: due to the state of somalia proper today I think joining somalia is not the right thing. But I would love to see self-determination for NFD. The question was does NFD belong to somalia? It certainly does not belong to KENYA!

Depends on what you mean by "cool". Shyhem: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Where else,ofcourse where i'm used to.Btw mt Kilimanjaro and the masai mara game park.I'm going to Kenya next summer.I'm gonna visit Tsavo and masaai mara national park and watch some Safari sevens rugby in Nairobi,not to mention hot air ballon ride somewhere in the great rift valley,and acessna( the small khat plane)flight to northern kenya,somewhere in Nfd. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shyhem, instead of visiting the massai mara or kilimanjaro, I strongly reccomend you ride GANTAAL bus from eastleigh to Mandera. I am sure that would be a memorable journey. You could take the qaad planes from mandera or any of the UN planes which might take you to Hargeisa, mogadishu, kismayo and back to nairobi. That is what I did two years ago!

BariNomad, thanks for the article sxb. In this biased world you seldomly read somali success stories. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ and whose high-school guidance counsellor once warned her not to aim so high - will become an original: the first Canadian-trained medical doctor in the country's largest African community. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The first trained medical doctor???? Is this true?

I was asking myself the same question! I remember viewing this site a year or so ago and there were pictures of people. We need some detective work.....

London! The worst city that I have lived in. I remember coming to london in the late eigthies and most somalis lived in the east of the country. By that time Ealing Broadway was the end of the outpost in the west. But nowadays you could find somalis in middlesex and sussex....... But I enjoy visiting people in southall (sood-hool) and wembley (WAN BELEY). If any of you ever visits southall, pay a visit to the somali bookshop off the broadway. (I think the people who own it are not only idealists but good entrepreneurs). And you could perhaps catch a glimpse of a hijabified woman or two who smoke ...or a few qaaci houses worth paying a visit to.

salaama, Isn't this a step in the right direction? I wish more countries would follow suit! WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A U.S. immigration judge in San Diego ordered the deportation of a former Somali military judge who is accused of human rights abuses, immigration officials said on Thursday. Abdi Ali Nur Mohamed, known as "Judge Nur," served as a judge while military ruler Mohammed Siad Barre was in power in Somalia. "Mohamed is alleged to have assisted in the execution of innocent civilians in and near the city of Hargeisa, Somalia," the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement. Mohamed accepted the deportation order and is currently in government custody, according to the statement. A bureau spokeswoman said she could not comment on how long Mohamed had been in the United States or under what immigration status. "This investigation demonstrates that (the bureau) and the Department of Homeland Security will not allow this country to be a safe haven for human rights abusers," said Michael Garcia, acting director of the bureau. "A top priority at (the bureau) is the investigation and removal of those who commit these heinous crimes." The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which was created after the Immigration and Naturalization Service was disbanded, has recently created a specialized human rights violators office within its investigations division. Its mission is to identify, investigate and assist in the removal of human rights abusers from the United States.

Dantey you wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brother preneur you also need to stop the stomach churning talk about “war-lords” cause Mogadishu has the most warlords who need to be curtailed. Brother you are in need of a new argument. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't recall saying "warlord" or mogadishu in my brief reply. Xageed ka keentay sxb? mise dadka si xun wax u tarjuunto(binoculars) ayaad tahay? Anyway, Bro, Why does mugadisho and the south of somalia have more warlords and wars than the rest of somalia? Could it probably depend upon the fight for resource. The war in somalia is about resources and those are found mainly in the south. It is where the population is!

Ok let us suppose that Puntland declares independent. Excuse me for my ignorance but could it survive? My little knowledge of somalia tells me that the somali breadbasket is the area to the south of Galgaduud to kismayo.

Thika, a good issue to discuss! I think you would agree with me in saying that NFD is populated by somalis. NFD somalis live under a colonial type of rule. less developed, constant police harrassment! (in fact it is the only place in africa that has had a state of emergency for over 40 years). It is part of the somali territory but I for one would not advocate for NFD joing somalia. I think the solution is independence - and if that is achieved let the people decide whether to join somalia or become a state of its own. NFD does not belong to Kenya.

Rudy LOL. Qaraabo=relatives qansax=a tree that grows in the same climate as the acacia tree. Qaraabo qansax=False relative

Flying---I am a somali man myself- I know what I am talking about! I have been courted by western women who are fascinated by my pasta legs and pigeon chest- not to mention my beer belly! unfortunately our somali sisters don't know that !

It is weird that none of you are opting for the SKINNY somali man, whose weight never exceeds 65KG, whose pigeon chest (shaf dooro/digaag),Pasta legs and beer belly- but who is the envy of the world! Come on sisters! most of the world would pay millions of dollars to have the body of the somali man. I wish you knew how other human beings on this earth percieve the somali man- the most handsome creature God ever made! So, stop acting and praise the lord for having wonderful pigeon chested-thin-pasta fino brothers and dads!

salaama, a good topic indeed! Don't blame the somalis because they have been victims of fourty years of "state" sanctioned passivism! Parasites! that is what we are. We have abandon our good culture of working hard! I remember somalia late in the 80:s when those who did not work were rewarded with Landcrusiers, villas and the best women. Many of the western countries have a safety net for those who can't work. to the somali who was brought up under the last regime this became an economic magnet! Sorry to say this, but I think Charles darwin/s theory of evolution applies to us! we are the missing link between ape and mankind! I think it is about time that we condemn the double standards of our people: we claim we are muslims , yet our actions expose us as pagans.. some examples: Marriages of convinience: where on earth is this permitted? you see a brother marrying his sister so that she could come and join him...or the reverse! Divorces of conviniences: People tell the authority they are divorced to maximize their state benefits! and the children are *******s. Stating that we are not tribalists while at the same sending cash and moral help to thugs to terrorise other somalis!

waryaahe, iska daaya inanka waa sharci doone! asaga iyo palltalk dhowr wadan ayaay ka dhiibanyihiin marka sidaasi daradeeda wuxuu ka baqayaa in la musaafuriyo. All kinds of terrorism is to be condemned including cyber threads that do not carry much weight!