As long as Caydid, Qanyare, Hiraale, Abdullahi Yusuf and the rest of who is who in killing somalis are holed in Baydhabo, the IUC war is one of Jihad. remember what many of you were writing on SOL a few years ago. You were cursing, calling for the elimination of warlords from Muqdisho and praying to Allah to save Muqdisho. What a bunch of worthless double standard fools! So, you wouldn't settle unless your next of kin descends the throne!!!! No wonder somalia and somalis are the laughing stock of the world.

Assalamu calaykum, The propaganda machines of the axmaaro dabadhilifs and the IUC are in full swing. No doubt about that. But how about the plight of the people in Bay, Bakool and parts of Gedo?. There is hardly any copy and paste articles on their problems. It seems that nobody cares about them. What a shame! While I am at it, let me give you my prediction: a) Thousands of somali civilians would lose their lives b) Abdullahi Yusuf would never, never become the president many somalis hoped. His actions have distanced alot of somalis except those close to him. c) Tribal conflicts that is worse than 1990-1992 is in the making. d) The IUC courts have the motivation, not the resources- but they would get support from the NFD, Puntland, Somaliland etc and face a prolonged conflict.

Kamauldiin, Abdi Madoobe was the last real freedom fighter standing. Following his skirmishes with the madaxkorankor a curfew was declared in the whole of NFD, somali women raped, hundreds massacred). Calling him a bandit is insult. Lieutnenant Xalane, when people live under colonial rule, the masters do everything to turn them against each other. That is the rule of the game. Billow does not enjoy a luxarious life. Nor did Abdi Madoobe, Gamaas and Goro. You are not enlighted into the dynamics of the NFD. If you were then you wouldn't have called people bandits.

Kamaludiin,I have read your reply and you give a shallow rebuff that is not worth replying to. Usually, I hardly reply to this kind of nacnac but I am going to do an exception and attempt to reply in case it might help you understand. First and foremost, I hope the editors edit your tribal rants from this thread (dgl, mrl etc). If that would make you happy I am not from those tribes you mentioned. Most of the members of the USC are holed in Baidoa together with most of the members of the sick organisations. Who are the terrorists you are talking about? This must be a childish thing. I thought you were a little bit better. The terrorits most somalis know of are in Baidoa. If anything it is they who should be faught. Add Abdiqasim to the list of warlords and Aweys. But let us give the benefit of the doubt to Aweys because he repented; asked for forgiveness- this is a pillar of our faith. The NFD is home to somalis and under the rule of colonial masters. I hate colonialism and love self determination . what is wrong with that? Son, your rants on SOL is getting out of hand. I am for when someone uses arguments but becoming a blind follower of a tribal opinion is a disease. I pray that Allah helps you to become a good somali, discuss and analyse issues from a somali perspective. You have hit low when you mentioned that I am from mandera and as such belong to either the "Mrle and dgdye ". this is paranoia. You try to find the reason why I support the IUC and the only thing you could come up with was this??????? Walaahi, with this kind of opionen you are sinking the quality of this place.

Kamaludiin,I have read your reply and you give a shallow rebuff that is not worth replying to. Usually, I hardly reply to this kind of nacnac but I am going to do an exception and attempt to reply in case it might help you understand. First and foremost, I hope the editors edit your tribal rants from this thread (dgl, mrl etc). If that would make you happy I am not from those tribes you mentioned. Most of the members of the USC are holed in Baidoa together with most of the members of the sick organisations. Who are the terrorists you are talking about? This must be a childish thing. I thought you were a little bit better. The terrorits most somalis know of are in Baidoa. If anything it is they who should be faught. Add Abdiqasim to the list of warlords and Aweys. But let us give the benefit of the doubt to Aweys because he repented; asked for forgiveness- this is a pillar of our faith. The NFD is home to somalis and under the rule of colonial masters. I hate colonialism and love self determination . what is wrong with that? Son, your rants on SOL is getting out of hand. I am for when someone uses arguments but becoming a blind follower of a tribal opinion is a disease. I pray that Allah helps you to become a good somali, discuss and analyse issues from a somali perspective. You have hit low when you mentioned that I am from mandera and as such belong to either the "Mrle and dgdye ". this is paranoia. You try to find the reason why I support the IUC and the only thing you could come up with was this??????? Walaahi, with this kind of opionen you are sinking the quality of this place.

Kamaludiin,I have read your reply and you give a shallow rebuff that is not worth replying to. Usually, I hardly reply to this kind of nacnac but I am going to do an exception and attempt to reply in case it might help you understand. First and foremost, I hope the editors edit your tribal rants from this thread (dgl, mrl etc). If that would make you happy I am not from those tribes you mentioned. Most of the members of the USC are holed in Baidoa together with most of the members of the sick organisations. Who are the terrorists you are talking about? This must be a childish thing. I thought you were a little bit better. The terrorits most somalis know of are in Baidoa. If anything it is they who should be faught. Add Abdiqasim to the list of warlords and Aweys. But let us give the benefit of the doubt to Aweys because he repented; asked for forgiveness- this is a pillar of our faith. The NFD is home to somalis and under the rule of colonial masters. I hate colonialism and love self determination . what is wrong with that? Son, your rants on SOL is getting out of hand. I am for when someone uses arguments but becoming a blind follower of a tribal opinion is a disease. I pray that Allah helps you to become a good somali, discuss and analyse issues from a somali perspective. You have hit low when you mentioned that I am from mandera and as such belong to either the "Mrle and dgdye ". this is paranoia. You try to find the reason why I support the IUC and the only thing you could come up with was this??????? Walaahi, with this kind of opionen you are sinking the quality of this place.

Jacaylb, Bro, Afey has been trying to make peace in somalia. I think he deserves to be praised. Ma waxaan ogeyn baa jira bro? inoo sheeg. If you convince me I will erase him.

^^^^ here is a little joke that someone told me about Hassan Goro and the kenyan colonial army. Kenyan soldiers were taught on how to act when they are caught by the freedom fighters in the middle of the sixties. They were told that to survive they had to recite the ashahaahada "La ilaahi ila laahu maxamadu rasuululahi". Some of them when caught by Hassan Goro forgot the lines and said (Kikuyus have difficulties in saying L " HASSAN GORO RA'IRAHA; Hassan Goro ma'ama rasululahi". Unfortunately I have not met Billow Kerow during my last visit to Mandera. reports say that he is the new star, he visited Muqdisho a few weeks ago; But he risks losing his seat though.

The NFD has been in the control of the madax-qodax for almost 46 years. The Garissa, Marka re and wagalla masacres would for ever live in our hearts. During these years a number of freedom fighters have emerged ; Abdi Madoobe, Abdullahi Gamaas, Hassan Gooro and many others who took a decision to free their people. The political fight has been taken up by two deceased leaders (may Allah grant them heaven); Abdi Khalif and Aabojanno. Nowadays the fight still goes on but on a new front; Ambassador Afey and Billow Kerow are two stars on the rise. Afey has been doing alot for the peace process in Somalia. His mission was to help accomplish some sort of government in somalia. Billow has become the voice of the somalis: he is star in the dailies in condemning the madaxkorankor govt. I don't think he would be reelected because colonialism would not let you through if they feel that you are questioning their strategies. I salute them....

Oromia, Meles Sinawi has done what dictators do to cling on to power; start a war with somalia. But I think the coming war ( God forbid) would lead to his demise.

Kush, That was my line saaxib! People might think Kush=Caaqil. Anyway, my catch is this: a) the TFG contains a list of who is who in terms of killing, raping, maiming, and raping the somali nation. Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. They have been "selected" or selected each other with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf (whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother). These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. b) The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle; No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; Thus far even the staunchest critics admit that they have brought law and order ( a scarce commodity in Muqdisho), discuss reconciliation etc. It is a pity that some contributers to this forum are concerned with tribally driven discourse than on pragmatism. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Clearly, the discourse on this place (particularly from those supporting the defunct TFG) has the starting point of claiming that any person who supports the IUC is tribally related to the leaders ( look at the latent statements that the IUC are clan courts by particular tribes) or the equal sign between the IUC and USC. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership, I am not to use neo-political discourse terminology an islamist, yet I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place. Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. Wa assalamu calaykum

Kush, That was my line saaxib! People might think Kush=Caaqil. Anyway, my catch is this: a) the TFG contains a list of who is who in terms of killing, raping, maiming, and raping the somali nation. Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. They have been "selected" or selected each other with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf (whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother). These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. b) The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle; No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; Thus far even the staunchest critics admit that they have brought law and order ( a scarce commodity in Muqdisho), discuss reconciliation etc. It is a pity that some contributers to this forum are concerned with tribally driven discourse than on pragmatism. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Clearly, the discourse on this place (particularly from those supporting the defunct TFG) has the starting point of claiming that any person who supports the IUC is tribally related to the leaders ( look at the latent statements that the IUC are clan courts by particular tribes) or the equal sign between the IUC and USC. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership, I am not to use neo-political discourse terminology an islamist, yet I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place. Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. Wa assalamu calaykum

Kush, That was my line saaxib! People might think Kush=Caaqil. Anyway, my catch is this: a) the TFG contains a list of who is who in terms of killing, raping, maiming, and raping the somali nation. Their supporters are tribal bigots who wouldn't rest untill their next of kin become president. They have been "selected" or selected each other with the blessing of the madax korankor and Tigres. How can a sane somali side with Abdullahi Yusuf (whose mantra has been madaxweyne mar i dhaha since 1975? Caydid Jr, Hiraale? Suudi Yuluxow, Qanyare and the other thugs who brought us the havoc, the division of our nation, the turnining of brother on brother). These thugs should be prosecuted for making somali the nation of maruading gangs. b) The IUC which appears to be a new force based on a different principle; No to tribalism, a different kind of rule; Thus far even the staunchest critics admit that they have brought law and order ( a scarce commodity in Muqdisho), discuss reconciliation etc. It is a pity that some contributers to this forum are concerned with tribally driven discourse than on pragmatism. To take a position on somalia one has to look at the mother, the child and the helpless people in Muqdisho. These people have been held hostages by warlords; Killing and abuses were a common thing; the warlords started skirmishes to consolidate their position of power. Actually, the last years every son that makes 15 was a candidate to become a ******. What is the situation of this mother now?????? Clearly, the discourse on this place (particularly from those supporting the defunct TFG) has the starting point of claiming that any person who supports the IUC is tribally related to the leaders ( look at the latent statements that the IUC are clan courts by particular tribes) or the equal sign between the IUC and USC. I am not from the south, I never belonged to the USC, my tribe (I don't blv in it) is not represented on the IUC leadership, I am not to use neo-political discourse terminology an islamist, yet I have taken a sober decision based on what is good for our people, somalis- and come to the conclusion that thus far the IUC appears to be the only body that could bring long lasting peace. Places like somaliaonline should be an oasis for different opinions and I am not for censoring what people write but we should discuss whether there is anything good in the tribal propaganda that we read on this place. Sometimes the link between opinion and tribalism ( maligma) is clear. Wa assalamu calaykum

Oromia, anyone/group (even if they happen to represent that devil) have my full support if they talk about self determination. The Amxaaros colonise the oromo people (actually somalis because the oromos and somalis are the same people). I just hope the amxaaros and kenyans are kicked out.

Horn, I kind of like your signature: 1. Never believe anything you read. 2. Always wait before formulating opinion on a topic. 3. Take everything you read with a pinch of salt. I heed the advice.

Ngonge, 1) I think those of us who feel that the "clan" is a disease should also be respected. My friend, there are thousands of us who have abandoned the clan as a unit of discussion. I for one don't believe in it. I wouldn't choose my brother over my cousin (or anyone else for that matter). My clan could go to hell. I am nót buying that argument. It is in my eyes a primitive thing ( and I am not a fool- or am I?) 2) I am not against someone voicing their opinion- but what we see on SOL is not voicing opinion . It is expressing the opinion of others without consideration. Paste and copy of weak news reporting. 3) Healthy ideas? what is so heakthy about tribalism or copying and pasting? 4)"open forum"- what is that suppose to mean? There arelimits on what one could write on open forum or is it a highway of hate? see you next weekend.

As a somali who hates the madaxkorankor and the amxaaros with passion, I would say well DONE! If you have never lived in the NFD or Western somalia, then you should know that Kenya and Ethiopia are colonial powers- and colonialisation should be fought Liberty is a right.

Assalamu Calaykum, Something has happened during the months I was away. This place used to be a place to discuss somali politics. Even those who opposed the prevailing viewpoints made so from critical thinking. In June when I left for Africa, the topic of discussion was the warlords(warthogs) holding the muqdisho/southern masses as hostages. These thugs were crticised; the somali problem it was claimed was warlords like qanyare, dhuxulow, yalaxow, you name it. The saying went: If Muqdisho succeeded in getting rid of warlords and embark on a process of reconciliation, reduced the risks of death by a ****** and formed some form of governance then somalis were likely to succeed. A general view shared by many was the formation of the TFG. Many claimed-with all rights that these TFG represented the dark history of somalia. Warlords and tribal chiefs who instigated murder, hate, rape and clanism as a weapon of power became MPs. I came back to Europe in October and logged on my favourite site and what did I find? A polarisation of opinions; Some of the people who were in the forefront in criticising the normenculture of warlordism , tribalism etc were suddenly becoming vocal in smearing the efforts of the IUC. Of course, one could criticise the IUC. They are not perfect; they have done (or reported to have done) somethings that are not that flattering . But, they have succeeded where warlordism failed: They've tamed the warlords, created some form of peaceful life for those who were held hostage. I came to the following conclusions: There are amidst us some people who wouldn't settle for anything less than their next of kin as a president (ironically, they wouldn't even accept a cousin if there is brother is a contender). Colour change is common: You see someone supporting the status quo today but next week this same person would support something that he/she criticised. The reality is that many of us don't even live in somalia. We live in nations that are not run by our tribes. We enjoy life, work, make a living: from this sanctionary we have become the mouthpiece of a discourse on somali politics. We are using our intellect in enhancing a tribal propaganda- what a shame!!!!! I hope that the moderators/adminstrators urge those who COPY and PASTE articles from tribal websites to refrain from that. Many somali websites are in fact tribal cafes- and the last thing visitors of SOL want to read is news from Daynile, Allpuntland etc.

kenya has never been neutral!!!! The madax korankor mistreat, colonise and subdue somalis. Kenya would love to see somalia shattered. I hate the madax cambuulos with passion!!!!!! The NFD would insha allah become independent. The mere mention of Kenya and neutral offends me; Insults my intelligence and brings back memories of a vicious regime inept on colonising my people.

Good news, ' Muqdisho has already several universities. What it needs are primary and secondary schools- and schools/centres that could rehabilitate the thousands of Moryaans.

Bro, ma daashid miyaa? Bax quraan akhriso, salaad tuko ama wax kale sameey bro. Waa iga tallo. Nin kula taliyey kuma dilin. Aakhiro Abdullahi Yusuf ama ruux kale dhinacaaga jiifin maayo.

What is in a flag? It is a piece of clothing. Sorry for offending you guys. But this thread has been hijacked: Alle u Baahane, Ninkii dhoof ku yimid baay geeridu dhibeeysaa. Ethiopia is a powerful military nation. The IUC is militarily weak. But they have a strong motivation; Motivation beats military hardware. When it comes to fighting Ethiopia the only people who support it are THE TFG, some weak elements who spend alot of their precious times on the new fadhi ku dirir (internet) and warlords whose positions of power have come to an end.

Ina Libaax S, Bro, Aniga waxaay ila tahay in cudurka ugu weyn oo soomalidda haaysta uu yahay madaxweyne; iyo madax (wasiir, maareeye). Umaddeenu dugsi cajiib ah oo aay ku soo barteen nafaqada madaxnimada ayaay soo dhigteen. (qof kaste oo soomali ah waxaa madaxiisa ku sawiran nacfiga madaxnimada aay leedahay). Sidaasi darteed, waa in la mamnuucaa jagada madaweyne, wasiir, maareeye etc. Sida loo mamnuuci lahaa waa arrin u baahan baaritaan!

Assalamu calaykum, Ngonge, I have never supported the TFG or the organisations established following the demise of somalia for the simple reason that they were enacted through tribalism ( maligma). There is alot to be desired from the IUC. I see them as the last hope- a change. From my perspective any form of governance that does not include tribalism is fine. Thus far, the IUC have brought peace in the killing fields of Muqdisho. They have established some long awaited law and order. They have advanced to other towns and they seem to be succeeding. Of course that is not enough. But let us wait and see. If they divert I would cease supporting them. You raise a vital issue; I have no problem with the Iranian model. Democracy is excercised. There is economic growth, political cohesion etc. The Saudi case is different. I don't see it as an islamic republic. It is a despotic feodalism . and I don't want to happen it to somalia. These issues we are raising are secondary in the minds of many somalis. For many, it is about living which has been denied to them for decades. Democracy, human rights and other elements are important to us in the west. For the poor mother in Muqdisho, it is about ensuring the removal of warlords, roadblocks and social ills. To this end, we have to applaud the IUC for succeeding where tribalism, warlordism, Carta, Doofareey have all failed. Why don't we celebrate the poor mother's situation????? You are right. Bringing peace alone to somalia is not enough- but that is a step in the right direction. They have brought some peace to Galkacyo to Saakow, Burhakaba, Kismayo etc. The only area that they did not take is the town of Baydhabo- and the Gedo region ( The residents of Bardhere are divided- and this coming days they would take it). So let us wait and see. This might be the force that is needed to subdue somalia. In regards to Somaliland and Puntland. I don't think these self ruling regions have anything to fear if the rulers and the system they put in place are not based on warlordism and corrupt entrepreneurship. The IUC is a popular movement that is welcomed by people who went through alot. If the people in these regions feel that they are better off under these adminstrations, then nothing would happen. If on the other hand Riyale or Cade Muse are dictators who do not have local support then they would be history.

I am waiting for that fab question to be answered... Oh wait, I think he is consulting with the president.