Horn, what say you? Are you still on the side of the TFG? Reports from Beledweyne indicate that women and children have been murdered from the air. This was not an attack on military position but on the town. Is cadeey sxb. This is no longer a war between somalis. It is a war on somalis by Ethiopians. The location is somalia. I want to read your opinion not some kind copy and paste articles. Tell us where you stand; Amxaaro yuuble's or the innocent somali child in Beledweyne. I will be waiting the whole night to read what you have to say.

Asalamu calaykum, The coward Ethiopian airforce supported by the murderers gathered in Baydhabo have taken this conflict to new hights. I guess the supporters of the amxaaros and their lackeys on SOL are proud that Ethiopian warplanes have bombarded Beledweyne and Matabaan. This action shows that Ethiopians would bomb civilians (to ethiopians somalis are somalis). My hope is that this latest action would help our brothers and sisters on SOL who out of blind faith/loyalty to tribalism understand this is more than fighting an armed islamic resistance. This is about Ethiopia bent on humiliating somalis. This would NEVER happen. They bombed beledweyne, Hargeisa, Luuq, and Baydhabo- and even attempted to occupy Balanbale/Galdogob but they have never broken our will. Walaahi I have never felt this bad in many years. I could picture the bodies of innocent women and children lying on the streets of Beledweyne. What makes more angry is that this kind of action is supported by people on SOL.

Maskiin, Si xun ayaad i fahantahay. Akhri waxaan qoray. Qoraalkeeyga waxuu ku saabsan in dad badan oo boogan soo boqda oo la jira amxaarada iyo xulafadeeda aaysan noo soo gudbin qabsashada Tiyeglow. If you read the newslink then it says "capture".

As the situation is today there are only two sides; 1) The IUC 2) The TFG and Amxaaros. The talk about a third is pure nonsense. We could keep on arguing on who started it, which strategies should have been better, etc but that is history. What we have is an invasion; a war that is raging in the middle of somalia ( people are not fighting on border areas); The people who invited the amxaaro are those who brought us the havoc; and they want hell to continue in somalia so that they could enrich themselves with the few aid millions. But I want to return to the core of the question I posed: What about the hundreds of thousands who live in the triangle of Buur Hakaba- Qansaxdheere and Dooy? You wouldn't see the plight of this people brought forth by the self styled- war correspondents. If yusuf, geedi, Hiraale, Caydid and the rest could make their headquaters say in " Wallo, or Sidamo" these people would have been spared hardship.

Waryaahe Horn, Saranleey iyo bandiraleey waay isku magac egyihiin. Mar baan is iri dagaalkii ma Saranleey buu gaaray! Dagaalka Bandiraleey mar dhow ayuu dhamaanayaa sababtoo ah amxaaro iyo dabadhilifyadeeda awood uma laha inaay laba haad ka degaalamaan. Cabdi Qeybdiid (I think that is his name) tii Xamar ka qabsatay ma iloobin; markuu arko inaaysan amxaarada gacan siineeynina wuu is dhbibayaa.

I guess this news has eluded the eyes of the war correspondents on SOL. Tiyeglow is larger in area and has more population than Moode-moode, Daynuunaay, and Idaale- and its capture is a significant achievement because (If you know the geography of Bakool) you control the route to Wajid, Xudur and Luq Ganaane.

Ngonge, BRINGING PEACE TO MUQDISHO MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH IN THE LONG TERM, BUT FOR THOSE IN MUQDISHO WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN WRECKED BY WARLORDS IT IS A GOOD START. YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEACE TO BE REACHED IN MONTHS. MANY ON THIS SITE (MAYBE INCLUDING YOU) HAVE BEEN REPORTING ON THE RELATIVE PROGRESS OF PUNTLAND, SOMALILAND ; THE QUESTION IS WHY DON'T WE WANT PEACE TO COME TO MUQDISHO? IT WAS NOT LONG AGO THAT MUQDISHO WAS THE CITY OF "M(ORYANS)" RATIONED AND DICTATED TO BY WARLORDS; MY REASONS FOR SUPPORTING THE IUC IS NOT ONLY BRINGING PEACE TO SOMALIA- BUT THEY HAVE AT LEAST IN WORDS (AND ACTIONS THUS FAR) SUCCEEDED IN GIVING SOMALIS HOPE. AS A I SAID BEFORE, I WOULD CEASE TO SUPPORT THEM WHEN THEY CROSS SOME LINES. TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND MY PERSPECTIVE, ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE FABRIC OF THE TFG; MANY OF THOSE WHO VISIT THIS WEBSITE HAVE UNDERGONE TRAUMA AT THE HANDS OF THE WARLORDS; CAYDID ET AL HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH DESTRUCTION, DEATH AND DIVISION; YET IT IS AN IRONY THAT THEY SUPPORT THEM BASED SOLELY ON TRIBALISM. NGONGE, ETHIOPIA IS FIGHTING A PROXY WAR; IT HAS SUCCEEDED IN CREATING A BUNCH OF LACKEYS WHO HAVE PUT THEIR POWER ASPIRATION BEFORE THAT OF PEOPLE. THEY FACE SOMALIS; NOW LEAVING ASIDE THE RELIGIOUS DIMENSION OF THIS, ISN'T THE DEFENCE OF YOUR POWER A RIGHT UNDER ALMOST EVERY CONVENTION?????

LST, I hate to disagree sxb. The first time I ever exchanged my opinions with Duke, he attempted to find which "clan" I belonged to. He is a man who does not digest opinions. I don't know how you define articulation , because I have yet to see that. All I see is copy and paste from tribal websites. He shugs off those who disagree with him NOT on the merits of what they say but who he THINKS their tribal afflitiations are. I don't want to be mean but he reminds me of Maxamed Said AlSayefh (the Iraqi Minister). But I agree he could be comical sometimes.

Baashi, brother, Aniga Amxaaro iyo madax korankor ma la i tusi karo. I would rather cheerlead for the IUC than hold my breath (which in essence is supporting the amxaaro lackeys). But I get your point. Death and destruction has befallen our people. MAy Allah help us. We are talking about an invasion sxb! INTRUSION INTO A NATION by a historical enemy.

Baashi, Sidaasi iga dheh bro. There is no BS here. I don't know why you u think we are BS-ting. We could discuss on for hours about who started the war? Was it the right timing? etc. Laakin hadda maxaa laga qaban karaa? the war has already started. But overall, I am glad that we see share the ideal. Tanks, helicopters haddii guul lagu gaarayo ciraaq baa laga gaari lahaa. At the end of the day will beats everything.

Baashi, You know which side I support. I have never concealed my support for the IUC for bringing peace to Muqdisho. I have outlined the reasons on numerous occassions. I don't have to defend that stance. do I? At the moment it is a simple choice; between baadil and xaq. You don't defend xaq do you?. The baadil side; Caydid, Abdullahi Yusuf, Caato, Qanyare et al. LOL at "milked cow". What about you and why? P.s I am rather surprised that you posed that kind of question. But I guess nothing comes as a surprise to somalis anymore.

Xog-ogaal, You just can't say qabiil mar hore ayuu jirey waana jiri doonaa.. That is a statement that defies human logic and advancement. There are alot of things oo soo jirey haddana laga gudbey. Aniga iima jiro. Alxamdulilah cudurkaasi waan ka caafimaaday.

I told you already (check the other thread). Anything with a T and a G is a devil. I have no idea. I never supported the old government. A key principle of islam is repentance; and as far as I have been informed the dude has repented. The IUC has an impressive record in Muqdisho and the other places (from the standard it was in a few months ago. It has driven out Qaybid, Caydid, Qanyare, caato and those who held Muqdisho hostage. Isn't that enough????? Who would you trust your kids(kin with? dad qalato called Qanyare, Yalaxow, Caato or Sheikh Shariif?

Not bad. Waryaahe Paragon ileen waxbaa kuu aasnaa sxb. Did you read some of Bacadle's poems?

Xogogaal, anyone above the age of 40 in the somali context was part and parcel of the Afweyne regime. Did you read or hear about him committing crimes? Somaliwayn would survive. It is not about politics; it is about bond. Somaliweyn was taken to the ER and has been in comma for decades but it is on the way to recovery : that is if we think beyond clanism.

Anything with a T and a G is a devil. The thing I remember most about the Carta debacle was this: In the front raw of the conference were members of various burcad groups. Abdi Qeys the somali poet made a statement like this: Waryaahe soo idinka shalay na laayseen. Soo iskuma xishootaan. Marna ma na laayneeysaan marna ma shir baad noogu yeereysaan.

Indeed. Abdi qasims' government, Ali Mahdi's Siyaad Barre's were all failures. But we have to give credit where it is due. The IUC have at least brought peace and stability ( a dear thing) to Muqdisho. Sheikh Sharif, Abu Zeynab, Sheikh Turki and most of the members of the IUC cannot be compared with Caato, Yalaxow, Qannyaye, Ina caydid, Hiraale and the rest. There are three guys who left my town in Sweden to visit somalia. One guy returned last night after visiting Baydhabo, Xudur. He was against the IUC when he left but when he came back he was full of praise. The other two guys are in Muqdisho and according to people they have spoken to, Muqdisho has changed for the better.

Paragon, bro, waxaan la yaaba in dadka waxbartay aay weli aaminsanyihiin sheeko xariirka. Dad badan ayaa dawlad ku sheega ula jira maadama nin aay isku qolo yihiin uu wasiir ka yahay, ama madaxweyne. Markii qabiilku uu caqliga ruuxa galo waa sida mukhaadaraadka. Wax waliba oo aad sheegeysid waxaad ku saleeynaynsaa ra'iga qabilkaaga. Beri dhoweyd ayaan waxaan la kulmay nin aad u caqli badan oo soomali ah; ilaa hadda iloobi maayo waxuu ii sheegay: Wuxuu yiri waxaan soomali haddaan nahay gaarney in markii nala weydiyo ma nabad baa..aan jawaabta aanan la soo bodin oo aan u fikiro: tolow qabilkeeyga maxuu ka qabaa? Sidoo kale markii nala yiraahdo xagee ku xanuuneysa hore kama sheegno oo waxaan la tashanaa qabiilka.

Kashafa, When the TFG was formed I was against it because it was formed on the basis of who kiled the most somalis. I recall with vivid memory how some people on this website (in particular Horn was a foe to it). I was also against the warlords who were releasing gases from Muqdisho. Horn, here was a staunch supporter of the so called JVA (hebelkaa aweys and indhacade were parties to it). He bombarded the site with news about the demise of the TFG sometimes citing Daynile and the other tribal outlets. I think Puntland is the most abused part of somalia. The majority of the puntlanders I know don't support the TFG. Even those seduced by tribalism want to stay out of the conflict. It is on SOL that we see someone claiming to come from Puntland and supporting warlordism (this dire hard tribalists) are a shame to the region. The website bearing the name of Allpuntland is very vocal in its support for Abdullahi Yusuf. Some of its stories are laughing stock. When I visit allpuntland and see what a few individuals write on this website, my heart bleeds for somalia.

and who are you?????? just a friend???? It is not budget, population, machinery etc that makes you win wars. It is determination and motivation. Don't you read??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The horn, you are not making sense bro. Whatever happened to you??? the IUC have brought peace and stability to places that peace alluded. Subxaanalah!!!!!!!!! Who dragged somalia into conflicts????? the members of the the IUC or the TFG????? Unless you have repressed your memory, it was Qanyare, Caydid, Abdullahi Yusuf and the rest of the gang in Baydhabo that made sure somalis fled Muqdisho to places they have unheard of . Poor these somalis who ended up taking boats and in refugee comes. The irony is that tribalism is making you not to see these episodes of somali history. Walaahi, I am a shamed of people who don't see the relationship between the demise of the nation and the TFG. With this kind of stance somalia would for ever be ruled by thugs. Bro, my guess is that you hate the IUC because they have succeeded in smoking/humiliating a warlord who sheeko xariir says is related to you. prove me wrong.

Juje, I am not blinded by sick tribalism. There is no need to alter what I wrote. In some people's eyes, he has committed attrocities but he has repented. As long as there is a somali out there who associates him with warlordism, then he is not in the clear. Having said that the guy has repented (you did not cite that part of my statement) and as such islam is a faith that forgives. You wouldn't see me drumming for baadil. The jihaad is between evil (the TFG) and good (the IUC). Where do you stand? Is it logical thinking, sheer tribalism? The haters of the IUC are mainly driven by raw traiblism (you favour the warlords that belong to your clan)- and that is not a good think so ma aha????

Peacenow, it is easy for us in the west to yearn for a democracy. The somali people (at least the majority) have been caught in a culture of warlordism. Muqdisho, Baydhabo, Kismayo and the rest of the country was run by ruthless warlords who did not give a damn to the people or the concept of democracy. What we see my friend is an alternative (endogenous form of governance)- maybe a uniting force that thus far have tackled the ills of warlordism. I don't think the TFG would succeed. If anything somalis are back to square one; tribalism on grand scale never witnessed. The only thing that can save it, in my opinion is the death of warlords.

Juje, bro, suaal: Do you know how many people, Abdullahi Yusuf, Qanyare, Caydid, Hiraale and the rest of the TFG have killed? These are the same people who made us refugees, gypsies, who came to power as a result of their viciousness. Hassan Dahir Aweys and the rest of IUC members who have committed crimes against somalis are worth every condemnation. I don't support him or any other person who is guilty. But, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt because as I heard he has repented and as muslims this is a virtue. I have yet to see the thieves in Baydhabo reflect on their crimes.

Waryaahe Horn, bro maxaa kugu dhacay adiga? Maxaa iska kaa bedeley? You used to be a rational, in the middle guy. Ilmahee????????? Self defence is a right bro. Let us face it. There are currently two sides (could be more). On the one hand, warlord cabinet, tribal president, cyber tribalists. On the other hand, the IUC which have relatively a good record of law and order. I recall you denouncing the TFG (defunct) a few months ago- and now this???? Bro, do you stop to think????????? With this kind of perspective, somalia would never heal.