Jamaal, You are right. The issue of remittances and livestock earnings are both very volatile- and risk prone. But they are short term posts in the balance of payments. For somalia to take a step further what we need are investments in manufacturing- since the service sector is not an issue (as you rightly mentioned we have a labour force that is unskilled) - besides that we have millions of people whose only competence centres on the culture of "earning easy money). We need measures to boost domestic supply and demand. Maybe some kind of entrepreneurship that produces local goods (the money could come from the cash stuffed under pillows in London, Toronto and Stockholm). A common misconception that we harbour is that it is the government's task to ensure economic progress. Many of us are suffering from a nostalgic appreciation of communism where the government built facts. We need a cognitive shift. I think the new discourse on climate change provides countries like somalia to provide the fuel the new environmentally based entrepreneurship that might emerge. For instance, sugar plantations; ethonol factories; but as matter of survival we need to prioritise and nurture the agriculture sector. Another area that we need to broaden is craftsmanship. Conventional wisdom in somalia has hampered the role of the blacksmith, the carpenter and the shoe maker. Education is the key - but this needs institutions. We have already seen how our brethren roam the streets of Toronto, London etc and claim that they are highly educated; and when that is put to test, their education level falls below primary school education. Insha Allah, I am going to respond to your other thread on sunday.

^^^^ Jawaabta ah "dadka dhan waa soo wada mareen" waa mid laciif ah; Ma ummaddaha kale ayaan ka dambeeynaa xagga caqliga? Aniga dhowr sanno ayaan rajo ku noolaa. Dhibaatada gumeeysiga madoow inoo geeystay waa mid soo jireen ah. Soomaalinimana iskaba daa oo waxay ahayd mid igu lamaan ah; waan ku seexan jirey, ku riyoon jirey, cuni jirey, ku hamin jirey. Laakin maanta waxaan ahay pessimistic; Laakin Ilaah naxriistiisa lama dhararo. Waxaan aad ugu xumaaday markii aan arkay soomaalidda isticmaayo aalada internetka (gaar ahaan SOL oo aan u haaystay inaay tahay malka ka duwan kuwa kale). Markii aan arkay inaay qabiil qaranka ka hor marinayaan dad badan (oo aan markii hore ku bahooney soomaalinimo, bansiinkii ayaa iga dhamaaday). Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaate weli mabdaeeyga ahaa inaan ahay nin soomali ah, oo aan qabiil lahayn (waan dafirey) waan sitaa.

^^^Adeer adiga maxaa ku cabiri lahayd? Haddaay tahay academic concept waad saxantahay- laakin waxaan ka hadleeynaa xaqiiqda maanta taagan. Warkaaga waxaa ku cad inaay kula tahay in soomalinimadu aay "comma" ku jirto. Aniguse waxaan leeyahay waay xijaabatay (oo Allaha ha u naxriisto). Dawladdii Afweyne, USCdi, sannadooyinka moryaanta iyo TFG-baas ee maanta HADADAANÀN KU CABIRIN MAXAA lagu cabiraa? Eeg boggaga Internetka ee bal ii sheeg meel aay soomaalinimo ku nooshahay.

http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5328015 This article from 2005 might help you. E-mail the economist and they might give you the data

Ma waxay ahayd beri samaadkii mise maanta? Waayihii hore soomalinimo waxaay ahayd mid ku saleeysan dadka iyo dhulka aay soomaliddu degto; astaan ku qotonta luqada, diinta iyo dhaqanka. Laakin soomalinimada maanta jirto waa mid qabyaalad (baahida ayaakeentay), awood iyo dawarsi ku xiran. Waxaa la yaableh in dadka dilay soomalinimo markii carqaladi ku timaado ayaa la soo baxaan buuga soomalinimo. Anigu waxaan ahaa nin aaminsanaan jirey soomalinimo laakin markii aan arkay wax ummadda soomaliyeed aay maanta mareeyso (gaar ahaan kuwa degan xamar) waxaa ii caadatay in aaysan jirin wax la yiraahdo soomalinimo- soomaliweyn iskaba daa! Dad badan oo aan saaxibo ahayn oo ku digrin jirey soomaliweyn iyo soomalinimo ayaa isbedeley. Xataa mashaaiqda waa kuwo wata kitaabka qabyaalada. Bal eega dawlad ku sheega (TFG). Waxaa ka buuxa dadkii diley soomalinimo. !

Abu-suleiman, You are right bro! Somalia will need institutional building. We need to find our own way. But unfortunately we live/function in a world that is dictated by western modes of governance, economic development, and socio-cultural aspects. Without laying claim to be an expert on Somalia, I blv that we have exhausted our mechanisms of development and our way of life. Pastoralism and agriculture and to some extent urban economic dynamism is all but gone in somalia. What we have are people who want make easy money by virtue of power; it is no wonder that we have nine million people who want to become president. Our people are even marginalised in the west. Somalia has tried every ism that exist(communism, anarchism, warlordism, af minsharism). As far as the notion of development/progress is concerned, I am not quite sure that it is about building roads, hospitals, schools etc. I blv it is about human progress. Mar kale ayaan ku soo noqonayaa!

Jamaalow, The concept of development is a tough one to capture. Polany wrote about that concept in the 1950;s. If we are talking about the western perspective of development i.e. sustainable wealth creation; improved standard of living and production, then somalia (and many african countries lag)I think we have million years before us before somalia is really developed. The microeconomic nature of somalia is actually not that bad. There is entrepreneurial spirit, less taxation, foreign investment (mainly from diaspora somalis), technology (exogene), a labour force. However,much of the economic activity is service). A large part of somalia's economy is driven by NGO related aid which in the long run cannot be sustained. animals, hides and skins; agricultural produce (once hard currency earner) is not doing that well. For decades our brethen have undergone cognitive bias towards consuming pasta, living on shaxaad, making a political career(looting the treasury). I listened to J Sachs (who wrote a book entitled scaping the resource curse) and who is taking on eradicating poverty as part of the mil-goal. He was very positive about events ( I asked him about somalia- and his answer was bottom up development). I think what somalia needs is not a government as many of us have been led to blv but something else - that something else is willingness to pay taxes . I was on layman-research tour of London, MN, and Toronto to gain insights into somali businesses- and sincerely I was disappointed; it was entrepreneurship by nneccessity; black market economic transcations and businesses that targeted home-market. It was Xaawalaha this and that, restaurant that cater to somalis (many of them don't fulfill standard) and second alternative businesses. Many of those who run these ethnicinity based entreprises are on social welfare! As regards the thread, much of the EU budget and the US budget goes to the agriculture sector. Many nations provide subsidies to farmers because when you can cover basic food needs of your people every other thing is secondary. In the case of somalia the Siad Barre and the successive culture of warlordism turned farms into cash crop producing entities (and planting bananas, mangoes etc). Eating millet, sorgum and maize was discouraged because somalia could import pasta (that was subsidized) from Italia. We should not forget that the majority of somalis today are urbanised; and the only business they know is that of stealing, robbing and excerting pressure on others as away of life. The camel, the cattle, and peasant farming is all but gone! I say yearning for a government will not lead to development; we shall need resources(taxes) to feed the hunger of the president, pm, parliament, civil services etc and their families, concubines etc. Where will we get this money? the answer is corruption- and corruption limits the ability of citizens to engage in economic development.

I wish I understand your stance so that I could give you a dully response. I am probably one of the few somalis that have crossed you path who don't worship "tribalism". I don't blv in that crap- as a matter of fact I think somalis who blv in clan structure need some help from a shrink as the reer quran and qansax concept is one that could be equalled to UFOs. Alxamdulilah I am not suffering from that plague- and please respect me for that. Don't attempt to impose it on me or those who don't blf in it. The essense of my response on this thread could be summed as: A) we have a forum that prides itself as an arena of sanity where somalis exchange ideas: Tribalism (emplicit/explicit) is not tolerated. b) We have a puppet government that consists of warlords- who is who in the killings of somalis- and day in and day out we see how the murder of somalis is glorified. c) There are some here like your friend who constantly break the rules by pasting articles from a tribal outlet called allpuntland. The articles contain tribal names; belittling some tribes: This articles are filtered as far as tribal names are concerned but the message is clear i.e. Tribe X is being exterminated. What do you say to that? P.s I am going into a self-imposed hibernation (i.e. banning myself). Experience tells me that in due course, Duke and the rest of Abdullahi Yusuf supporters are going to turn their backs- and cry foul).D.s

I wish I understand your stance so that I could give you a dully response. I am probably one of the few somalis that have crossed you path who don't worship "tribalism". I don't blv in that crap- as a matter of fact I think somalis who blv in clan structure need some help from a shrink as the reer quran and qansax concept is one that could be equalled to UFOs. Alxamdulilah I am not suffering from that plague- and please respect me for that. Don't attempt to impose it on me or those who don't blf in it. The essense of my response on this thread could be summed as: A) we have a forum that prides itself as an arena of sanity where somalis exchange ideas: Tribalism (emplicit/explicit) is not tolerated. b) We have a puppet government that consists of warlords- who is who in the killings of somalis- and day in and day out we see how the murder of somalis is glorified. c) There are some here like your friend who constantly break the rules by pasting articles from a tribal outlet called allpuntland. The articles contain tribal names; belittling some tribes: This articles are filtered as far as tribal names are concerned but the message is clear i.e. Tribe X is being exterminated. What do you say to that? P.s I am going into a self-imposed hibernation (i.e. banning myself). Experience tells me that in due course, Duke and the rest of Abdullahi Yusuf supporters are going to turn their backs- and cry foul).D.s

I wish I understand your stance so that I could give you a dully response. I am probably one of the few somalis that have crossed you path who don't worship "tribalism". I don't blv in that crap- as a matter of fact I think somalis who blv in clan structure need some help from a shrink as the reer quran and qansax concept is one that could be equalled to UFOs. Alxamdulilah I am not suffering from that plague- and please respect me for that. Don't attempt to impose it on me or those who don't blf in it. The essense of my response on this thread could be summed as: A) we have a forum that prides itself as an arena of sanity where somalis exchange ideas: Tribalism (emplicit/explicit) is not tolerated. b) We have a puppet government that consists of warlords- who is who in the killings of somalis- and day in and day out we see how the murder of somalis is glorified. c) There are some here like your friend who constantly break the rules by pasting articles from a tribal outlet called allpuntland. The articles contain tribal names; belittling some tribes: This articles are filtered as far as tribal names are concerned but the message is clear i.e. Tribe X is being exterminated. What do you say to that? P.s I am going into a self-imposed hibernation (i.e. banning myself). Experience tells me that in due course, Duke and the rest of Abdullahi Yusuf supporters are going to turn their backs- and cry foul).D.s

Emporer, As far as I know Firimbi was a walord who killed probably hundreds of somalis, made a fortune by having roadblocks (isbaaro-lord). Now that disqualifies him from being a good muslim. There are hundreds of people who are stuck in graves as a consequence of his actions 1991-2007. Why don't you support those victims? Calling for Allah's mercy for warlords is a crime against our intellect. I wonder how a thug/warlord suddenly becomes a good person to be mourned. Once a isbaaro-lord always a criminal (even in death).

^^^^ I am not from a "tribe". The argument that the clan names are filtered and hence anything goes is a weak one. Adigu hadaad qabiil caabudid- aniga maba aaminsani sxb. So don't claim that everyone is from a tribe. I am free from that sunta. I am angry (if that is what you call emotional) because we can't allow somali "clans" to be smeared (by the way, there are instances when a slight references to some clans is sanctioned)- and I am questioning the double standards employed on this site. Further, Duke's mantra is that anyone who rejects the puppet government does so on tribal lines (he is blind to his own conviction)- and that is what I am rejecting.

^^^^ I am not from a "tribe". The argument that the clan names are filtered and hence anything goes is a weak one. Adigu hadaad qabiil caabudid- aniga maba aaminsani sxb. So don't claim that everyone is from a tribe. I am free from that sunta. I am angry (if that is what you call emotional) because we can't allow somali "clans" to be smeared (by the way, there are instances when a slight references to some clans is sanctioned)- and I am questioning the double standards employed on this site. Further, Duke's mantra is that anyone who rejects the puppet government does so on tribal lines (he is blind to his own conviction)- and that is what I am rejecting.

^^^^ I am not from a "tribe". The argument that the clan names are filtered and hence anything goes is a weak one. Adigu hadaad qabiil caabudid- aniga maba aaminsani sxb. So don't claim that everyone is from a tribe. I am free from that sunta. I am angry (if that is what you call emotional) because we can't allow somali "clans" to be smeared (by the way, there are instances when a slight references to some clans is sanctioned)- and I am questioning the double standards employed on this site. Further, Duke's mantra is that anyone who rejects the puppet government does so on tribal lines (he is blind to his own conviction)- and that is what I am rejecting.

Caamirow, I have every right to call the TFG (DABA_dhilif government). That is not banned in SOL or is it? It has become the norm of Duke to fend off every criticism by accusing posters of belonging to one clan or another. What is not allowed is though tribalism (tribal names, tribal rants etc) and Duke is guilty. Are there two levels of tolerance? That is the question.

Caamirow, I have every right to call the TFG (DABA_dhilif government). That is not banned in SOL or is it? It has become the norm of Duke to fend off every criticism by accusing posters of belonging to one clan or another. What is not allowed is though tribalism (tribal names, tribal rants etc) and Duke is guilty. Are there two levels of tolerance? That is the question.

Caamirow, I have every right to call the TFG (DABA_dhilif government). That is not banned in SOL or is it? It has become the norm of Duke to fend off every criticism by accusing posters of belonging to one clan or another. What is not allowed is though tribalism (tribal names, tribal rants etc) and Duke is guilty. Are there two levels of tolerance? That is the question.

Did I tell you I was from that clan you qabiliiste???????????????????????????????? You assumption is shallow. You and your friends on this site assume that anyone who is against your p-uppet government belongs to clan X. You are violating the rules of this site by copying and pasting articles that contain the names of clans. I urge the moderators to remove this thread and the other threads which contain tribal hatred. I don't understand how your tribal rants are tolerated while a slight tribal connotation by others are sanctioned.

Did I tell you I was from that clan you qabiliiste???????????????????????????????? You assumption is shallow. You and your friends on this site assume that anyone who is against your p-uppet government belongs to clan X. You are violating the rules of this site by copying and pasting articles that contain the names of clans. I urge the moderators to remove this thread and the other threads which contain tribal hatred. I don't understand how your tribal rants are tolerated while a slight tribal connotation by others are sanctioned.

Did I tell you I was from that clan you qabiliiste???????????????????????????????? You assumption is shallow. You and your friends on this site assume that anyone who is against your p-uppet government belongs to clan X. You are violating the rules of this site by copying and pasting articles that contain the names of clans. I urge the moderators to remove this thread and the other threads which contain tribal hatred. I don't understand how your tribal rants are tolerated while a slight tribal connotation by others are sanctioned.

"Gudoomiyaha maamulka gobolkan Banaadir, ahna duqa magaalada Muqdisho Max'ed Dheere ayaa sheegay in aan maxkamad lasoo taagi doonin, Afhayeenka B/******, inta laga helayo xubnihii kale ee ka tirsanaa golaha dhaqanka ******, sida uu yiri. Max'ed Dheere, oo u waramayay Idaacadda Simba ayaa sheegay in Axmed Diiriye, Afhayeenka Odayaasha Beelaha ******, oo imminka u xiran dowladda KMG ah aan lasii deyn doonin, isla markaana wax maxkamad ah lasoo taagi doonin, sida uu sheegay Max'ed Dheere, tan iyo inta laga soo qabanayo gudoomiyihii golaha ****** iyo xubnihii kale ee galahaasi. Waxaa uu intaa kusii daray in uu ku raad joogo, isla markaana uu soo qaban doono gudoomiyaha golaha dhaqanka B/****** iyo xubnaha kale oo Golahaasi qeybta ka ahaa." What is this tribal junk tolerated????? It is clear that this is a tribal thread; where is MMA and the rest of the moderators!

"Gudoomiyaha maamulka gobolkan Banaadir, ahna duqa magaalada Muqdisho Max'ed Dheere ayaa sheegay in aan maxkamad lasoo taagi doonin, Afhayeenka B/******, inta laga helayo xubnihii kale ee ka tirsanaa golaha dhaqanka ******, sida uu yiri. Max'ed Dheere, oo u waramayay Idaacadda Simba ayaa sheegay in Axmed Diiriye, Afhayeenka Odayaasha Beelaha ******, oo imminka u xiran dowladda KMG ah aan lasii deyn doonin, isla markaana wax maxkamad ah lasoo taagi doonin, sida uu sheegay Max'ed Dheere, tan iyo inta laga soo qabanayo gudoomiyihii golaha ****** iyo xubnihii kale ee galahaasi. Waxaa uu intaa kusii daray in uu ku raad joogo, isla markaana uu soo qaban doono gudoomiyaha golaha dhaqanka B/****** iyo xubnaha kale oo Golahaasi qeybta ka ahaa." What is this tribal junk tolerated????? It is clear that this is a tribal thread; where is MMA and the rest of the moderators!

"Gudoomiyaha maamulka gobolkan Banaadir, ahna duqa magaalada Muqdisho Max'ed Dheere ayaa sheegay in aan maxkamad lasoo taagi doonin, Afhayeenka B/******, inta laga helayo xubnihii kale ee ka tirsanaa golaha dhaqanka ******, sida uu yiri. Max'ed Dheere, oo u waramayay Idaacadda Simba ayaa sheegay in Axmed Diiriye, Afhayeenka Odayaasha Beelaha ******, oo imminka u xiran dowladda KMG ah aan lasii deyn doonin, isla markaana wax maxkamad ah lasoo taagi doonin, sida uu sheegay Max'ed Dheere, tan iyo inta laga soo qabanayo gudoomiyihii golaha ****** iyo xubnihii kale ee galahaasi. Waxaa uu intaa kusii daray in uu ku raad joogo, isla markaana uu soo qaban doono gudoomiyaha golaha dhaqanka B/****** iyo xubnaha kale oo Golahaasi qeybta ka ahaa." What is this tribal junk tolerated????? It is clear that this is a tribal thread; where is MMA and the rest of the moderators!

Dukoow, clown saaxib adiga ayaa leh calaamadihiisa. What about the 270 thugs, the warlord president of the TFG; the 70 ministers of dhuusada, xaarka, cirka, buuraha, geedaha etc: and more importantly from the cyber horizon, the oneliner clowns who post articles from allpuntland.com Now that is the laughing stock!

Duke, What is not clear? Is it the truth that is bitter? Your one-liner stuff does not work. Let me ask you a simple question; Since you (and many TFG supporters) proudly state that you are from the puntlnad state, the question is why do you care about Muqdisho? Spare us the cool-aid of Muqdisho is part of somalia sheeko baaraleey when you are answering. Who are the elders you are refering to? and the looters? Waka cadeey; We are sick of this sick insuations.