LOL!! . In a rush but will be back to comment on your very peculiar taste of reading material.

NG, I'm feeling slightly better - thanks for your (lack of) concern. However, I'm not happy about having mutant hands!

I didnt know the contents of black henna until now. Never again. For everyone who is reading this - dont ever put that shyte on your hands - EVER! And read the below page: Link

No, I'm ill Ibts. I'm allergic to black henna that I put on my hands for some ****** family wedding and its made me miserable and unable to function. I'm on like 10 tablets a day to keep my body from going nuts!

Malika probably went home already . This week has been quite awful for me. I've been home sick from tuesday.

Ibts, Ilaahay ha u naxariisto adeerka.

Did you ignore my Q?

Marx, you're views on SOL often come across as outrageous, quite contradictory and sometimes just shockingly lacking! So, my question is, are the views you write on SOL truly and utterly how you feel and think or do you exaggerate and write outrageous stuff to get a reaction and get a conversation going? Do you play the devils advocate?

Not French - something more interesting (not Mandarin either). After this language, its going to be Malay, apparantly its ridiculously simple. There is an English guy who sits around my area who learned it in a year. And now every year he travels around Malaysia/Indo and practices it. Super cool. Did you know FB has a language feature? Said colleague's FB is all in Malay - Very cool! I cant wait to learn my new language and switch my FB to that language

NG - been busy dear. I have decided not to go for said course - infact, I completely switched gear and I just booked myself into a language course - starting next month. I want to learn a new language instead . I'm tired of being so focussed on career orientated learning and want to learn what I WANT!

Where are the trolls these days? Ibts, Lily, NG? Is it possible they are actually working?! or on un-announced troll holiday?

Jibbaaran, polygamy is good from a family perspective as it means there will always be adults around for the kids, the adults can rely on other adults to help out, etc etc. Think of having a good supportive family, and then multiply the support that can come from that family. As you mentioned, there would be limitation on the offsprings, as there would only be one producer , but otherwise, it would be no different. Also, quantity and quality are not mutually exclusive, noh? Islam needing an upgrade - not a question really, as I was just musing. As my lovely niqabi cousin would say when I muse around her, our job is to obey and not seek answers to everything as we will never know the infinite wisdom behind why certain restrictions are put in place

Interesting article. Polygyny (one man having more than one wife) and polyandry (one woman having more than one husband) from a family perspective can be a good family environment if its what all the parties want. There is really no difference in terms of needs or ability to be in those kind of relationship(like the jibberish that men want more of the bedroom stuff than woman - these things are person specific and not gender specific). The restrictions in Islam have come about to preserve paternity as in polyandry, its not possible to tell who fathered a certain child... .. but now that there is DNA testing... hehe!

@Xiin back. I think he is happy where he is, so dont move him unnecessarily.

Ibts, I guess its safe to assume your work is a bit slow everyday then As for who I’m addressing… its a lot of people, but it started with my first quote, where I felt the good sheikh who uttered those words did not elucidate on his point well. As for you, you do condemn people often (and I’m not about to quote you or re-read your posts). Its just a general feeling emanating from reading your writing. [Edit] Oh Ibts, I didnt agree with you, its the other way round.

Ibs, you have enough time to read and post articles ad nauseam on the subject, so gather your thoughts and reply to your might Originally posted by *Ibtisam*: [QB] But first you have to understand there is a difference between Muslims and none Muslims in their treatment, the application of principles, the value fo their views particularly with regards to OTHER Muslims. If we don't agree on this basic level, we won't agree on anything else. It is NOT mix and match and take the best view. Seriously, you have to stop the silly assumptions and get off that high horse. I do know there is a difference on the rulings between how to deal with Muslims who commit crime against other Muslims and Muslims how commit crime against Non-Muslim. But I also know they are both abhorrent and punishable (albeit differently) and are subject to the place and governance in place to carry out that verdict. However the gravity of the sin is demonstrated by the ayah, which is why I posted it. p.s. I'm always been quick to distance myself from hypocrites and people who use religion as a backdrop to make what is clearly wrong palatable.

Originally posted by Khayr: quote: To side with a criminal ‘Muslim’ brother/sister who has indiscriminately bombed a bus, is a crime against Islam. Wrong to side with them and wrong to take away their life for a non-muslim. A muslim's life is not equal to a non-muslim's life. But, luckily for the rest of us, the Quran is clear and does not discriminate on taking life. Surah Al-Mâ'idah 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!. Ibts, there is nothing to debate with Khayr or you. If there is something I've said u disagree with, the onus is on you to point it out & provide the proof. Otherwise, honestly the bigotted and condemning views are a reflection of hypocritical attitudes and nothing more.

Shocking, inankan oohintiisu ma dhamaato.

Ibts, I dont have the time for long-winded articles or a debate, but feel free to point out in the shortest and sharpest way, what you disagree with point blank. What you refer to as 'Siding with Islam rather than a none Muslim' can be enterpreted that way or siding with a none-Muslim, especially if the rule of law for any wrong doing is applied by a secular system. However again I think you are missing the issue, which is preempting "radical extremist" in cases where there is no crime or there is an alleged crime, but no evidence regardless of what the so called democratic state says, Muslims are required to side with the Muslim You dont have to be a Muslim to agree that verdict based on preemptive evidence or alleged crime with no evidence is nonsense. Lastly, I didnt apply no blanket rule (please read properly!), and used the word often, which can be changed to sometimes if it will make you feel better Edit I agree with the point that when it comes to idealogical warfare, you should side with a Muslim.

So even if he believes that the perpetrators of such acts are wrong and have no basis in sharia, the most he can say about them is that they have followed an invalid ijtihad. But under no circumstances is he allowed to side with the disbelievers against these Muslims. If a Muslim kills each and every civilian disbeliever on the face of the earth he is still a Muslim and we cannot side with the disbelievers against him I’ve stopped reading after this point. The above statements seem simplistic (based on un-contextualized interpretation taken from Surah al Maidah 51) and absurd considering the reality of how and where Muslims live in today’s world. A large proportion of the Muslim populace live in multi-faith, multi-cultural societies and there must be some ground rules to co-exist peacefully which all parties must agree to and then adhere to sincerely. The issue of siding with the ‘disbelievers’ is a multi-dimensional subject, subject to conditions like 1) Situation - are Muslims at war with non-Muslims? 2) If its not a war, is it still a stately issue concerning the Muslim State? 3) If not 1 & 2, is it an issue of faith and practice? 4) If not 1 – 3, it is an individual issue involving a Muslim and non-Muslim? Perhaps dispute over property, personal or criminal? This is where I would severely disagree with the above interpretation. An individual dispute is an individual dispute and must be settled fairly (depending on the governing body of the state, whether Islamic or democratic – unless the latter ruling conflicts with core Islamic beliefs). A crime is a crime. And a crime committed against another human being, whether Muslim or non Muslim is a crime nonetheless. To side with a criminal ‘Muslim’ brother/sister who has indiscriminately bombed a bus, is a crime against Islam. I havent covered every issue above or addressed the nuances of the different points, but I hope its clear that applying a blanket rule to a complex situation just doesn’t work – for Muslims or non Muslims. And its rather sad that the Muslim intelligentia often churn unrealistic, one-sided (read: hypocritical) views of not treating others as they would like to be treated.

Blessed, you always post really interesting videos from youtube. Do you just randomly surf it? I only go to either watch certain shows or follow a link... maybe I'm missing a whole world of entertainment and information, ya think?

^Maxaad soo iibseneysa this time?

Originally posted by *Ibtisam*: Serenity, I will inshallah look into few weekends at SOAS, you might want to come with me, you can improve on your speaking iyo reading. Then you won't get tired reading it Nicely done . But no, I certainly dont need speaking or reading classes.

Ibtisam, sweety, you have improved, however I think you would benefit from a few Somali classes at SOAS if you're serious. There is nothing wrong with your speaking, its just a matter of correcting a few too many double letters and tenses p.s. I find reading Somali a bit long and torturous to begin with, so its even more tiring when I've to think twice about the meaning.

Belated B'day greetings JB! Horta yaa weyn? Adiga mise North?