Xoogsade, I think I'm a fan of your political assessments and analysis. Xoogsade,You are forgetting a 3rd group here! This group are those who are against Ethiopians but not cause of Somalinimo but pure envy of A/Y since they wanted Ethiopia for themselves only. The best example of these groups here in SOL are Qurac, Gediid, Sultaanka, etc. 1st of all, there is hardly anything to envy. 2ndly, slurring Somaliland and these gentlemen constantly, is uncalled for. I dont think you're in a position to do so MISS OG. Every topic in the politics section is marred by snide remarks and people trying to get back at each other. :rolleyes:

Thanks. Thats the most I'm getting this V-day anyways.

A big plastic rose awaits any lady that correctly guesses the name of the band that sang this song. The Mamas And The Papas. . 60ties pop group. . But you can keep your phoney flowers

Femme, You're a trooper. A Superstar. And you dont write crap. Not as much as others anyway. hehe. **group hug you two**

^^ Thanks. Really. You're a Star.

^^ Get off FF's back man. Insulting a lady is so not manly. :rolleyes:

I think we should stop acknowledging the presence of this "Entity". "It" is most certianly not one of us

I think there is fine line between putting something in a light hearted way in order to reduce the shock value or just poking fun at others misfortune. Political cartoons depict situations – sometimes exaggerated, other times just to point out the entire stup!dity of the situation. I can write about how !diotic and pointless the war in Somalia was and I doubt any sensible person will disagree. I can make fun of people who participated in it and poke fun at their lack of foresight. Laakin, I doubt any1 finds the victims of such circumstances jest-worthy. There is nothing remotely funny about death and destruction. One can describe how the tragedy came about in a comical way, even how the circumstances came to be, but definitely not poke fun at those who were unduly victimized in the process. It’s a thin line. Should humour be censored? Well, personally, all things insensitive to the suffering, beliefs and misfortune of others – yes. I’m quite indifferent to race jokes laakiin . With regards to your Mr.Bean example…yes, its funny to see him fumble and struggle…but he doesn’t loose a limp or end up 6 feet under. That’s why it’s funny. A clear distinction. NGONGE, you deserve your right to offend. But do tell me where the joke ends and where the being an insensitive jerk/jerkess begin? (Not that I think this thread is insensitive in the slightest). Just to clarity something for the easily bruised among us. p.s. I find this thread funny. Specially the personalized, overly aggressive, melodramatic and subtlely sarcastic posts of some.

^^^ Thanks.

LOL. Once again re-affirming that they were meant for each other. . How Romantic!

Oh... I c the emotional baggage from the other thread has poured onto this one. Wonderful. And here I was thinking this was an objective discussion on "humour". ha! Objective and Somalis - what an oxymoron! heh. FF sex?--etc. shouldn't be joked about. No? :eek:

I just returned from school. For some strange reason, my mother put my brother and I in two schools. We attended a private school in the morning and a public school in the evening. But I digress. And on my way was picked up, tossed on the shoulder and hurdled home by my abti. I could hear gunshots as we paced through the houses. At home, atleast 3 other families have come from apparantly their neck of the woods where the war was full fledged. We stayed home amidst all the noice, chaos, hysteria, and fear. Finally, on the 25th day of the war, mum decided enough was enough and put the 5 of us (my abti and 3 of my siblings) on the back of a truck and thus began the most horrifying journey out of xamar into kismaayo and then Nairobi and eventually thailand where my dad was awaiting us with the heaviest of heart. . I dont wish to go into the finer details of our journey, but the worst and most vivid memory was being stopped, robbed and told we were to say our 'asha'haado' and kiss life goodbye. Of course I was too young to realize the severity of the situation and was actually munching on boiled egg with my 2yr old sister! . About the humour n all. It was horrific, terrifying and most of all tragic...but whenever my mum tells this story, it does make me emotional and even chuckle - specially the egg eatin part. ah! the innocence of a whippersnapper. The tragedy is over for most of us and yes, we can cry or laugh over it, it changes nothing. The misunderstanding (I think) between the peeps up there is, NGONGE's isnt poking fun at the people who lost their lives or the tragedy...but the human comedy of the situation - meaning how people reacted to it (even his nonchalant attitude, but he was a youngster and so far away, I wouldnt expect any different). So take it easy.

Alle-ubaahne, To reply to you would be to dignify your irrational and imbecilic posts. Dont jump on the bandwagon and try to level yourself with the likes of Nur.The difference between the two of you is like the difference between the earth and the sky. VR + meenah, you dont have to justify yourselves to those who's only purpose is to divert the subject and attemp to add fuel to the fire.

FARIID, how we live is a disaster. We need a revolution. FF, arent you a little gem? why the hell are we letting them control us and dictate our lives? Its our fault. Most women love to be dominated.

^^ LOL. Gosh, you're ruthless. Originally posted by Action Jackson: True that Baashi, Older girls who've missed the last boarding call on The Marriage Train tend to blame unsuspecting men like me and you for her misfortune and consequently adopt an unjustified hate attitude towards all men and sometime the "Happily Married" women too..... I know it wouldnt be too long before I heard this from some1 in your camp. FF missed out predictable in her lil list

Originally posted by Northerner: Is'nt Nescafe Colombian the best invention ever?....... I've never tasted it. :eek: I'm a Hot-chocolate and Tea person.

This topic reminds me of Underdog. Any1 else feel his absense? I dont know why they associate intellect with being domineering or dominating in both articles. Its so stereotypical. IQ and ambition IMHO are qualities we are born with. I would think these women would be at an advantage to pass on the good genes.

Guess everyone is expecting an outburst of anger, but I’ll keep it concise. Nur, granted you’re more knowledgeable in the deen than I am and nowhere on this thread have I contested that nor labelled you and that you don’t fail to be patronizing in your tone whenever confronted with something not to your taste, I at least know that Islam teaches us to respect the laws of the kufaar lands we choose to reside and unless you don’t agree with this, I fail to see where we disagree and where you’re coming from. How you are conveying your point is completely opposite to what you’re conveying . Finding faults, belittling and ridiculing their way of life to make your point is simply frivolous. How flawed or deviant their laws are is not a topic of discussion for us. As Muslims who are residents in a western country and given the choice to practice our religion completely, we can choose to accept and stay or leave. I never understood why some people choose to live in non-muslim lands and then completely claim to detest everyone and everything about the place. In this particular case, it’s a matter of deciding which takes precedence(islamically too), following the rules and regulations of your adopted country or practicing polygamy which is not only optional and infact not ideal (as far as my knowledge goes) and breaking the laws of your adopted country and risking being charged. I don’t know if you’re trying to be witty but that comes across as character assassination to me. I don’t respond well to people questioning my faith and where my loyalties lie. You don’t know me and I suggest you lay off the sweeping assumptions. There is nothing unislamic about what I’ve contributed to this thread. And if you choose to reply, I insist you substantiate your spurious assumptions at the very least before labelling me with below the belt titles and tossing out further insults my way for no apparent reason.

Nur (and co.), I'm disheartened and leave this discussion with a heavy heart. I simply cannot blv you're discussing ways to cheat the system, break the laws of the country you're resident in and probably in the case of a huge percent of the people who will read this reply - a good family home. I joined as your description of a good family home with 4 woman was rather revolting, atleast for me, laakin I didnt bargain for this. Your reasons for pushing this agenda this far are beyond me. Thanks for your replies and have a good one.

^^ Would you like me to break it down for u?

So you are a saying Somalis dont legally marry? And therefore dont enjoy the benefits a legal marriage can bring - financial and what not? Legal Marriages - Benefits p.s. Those who dont register do it for reasons known. However, for our discussion, they r out of our range since most of them dont cut it financially for polygamy...nooh?

Nur, walaalo, I agree with everything you've said. Laakin, talking of Somalis in the west, dont you know that Polygamy is illigal? and it carries a whole lot of criminal convictions? Why would you be asking these Somalis who had been so graciously welcomed and integrated into their respective societies to break the law? I dont know how this so lightly escaped your keen observation. Mise, waxaad is lahayd/ ka fikireysey - one woman in every city/country? LOL. If the above makes sense, we need a solution, because 5 years down the road, some blooming flowers may not see the sunlight. or if you are a daring lil lady, you can be the fourth and final love, completing the ring ROTFLMAO. Alla beerka. LA-LA land must be a wonderful place to live. Anyways, walaalo, for all of us to come to a mutual understanding, lets keep personal opinions on the side (and plenty of these coming from you,there is nothing remotely religion-oriented about this post of yours) and talk about polygamy for what it is – solution to a problem(one that I still insist isnt as prevalent as you make it out to be), not the fulfilment of sexual fantasies. A contract that 1st and foremost must respect the sanctity of a current marriage. A Responsibility taken for the love of Allah and for the betterment of all parties involved.

Well brother Nur, isn’t that situation you picture better than me getting my kicks somewhere else? Or is infidelity restricted to one gender? This constant insinuation on you part that we should be accept infidelity as part and parcel of a one on one relationship is absurd. Let me tell you that two can play that game, and what goes around comes around. So please oh please, stop this blather about men being promiscuous in general. There are millions of decent men out there who are content with one woman, one soul partner. no fun in this life comes without pain Right. And why would you subject yourself to this pain in the first place? Or lemme guess, you have all the fun at the painful expense of poor, unsuspecting women? Gotcha! It is a matter that was predestined by Allah, that a man can serve four women, but a woman by nature and psychology, can only feel fulfilled with a single man, even if he has other woman in his life with some jealosy, for every egg a woman releases for procreation, a man releases a million sperm, that should make you scratch your head for more ideas. This statement is kinda laughable ma istidhi? Whats your point? Its also a well known fact that when a child is created, they need the attention of both their parents equally. So what if a man produces a million sperms? He can only attend to one child at a time. Surely you are not implying that he has should spread his seed far and wide and that’s about all that’s required of him. Immorality is based on faith, and your mathematics needs lil bit correction, believe me, having four wives does not add up to a 100% satisfaction unless one has only reproduction pleasure as his only concern, and still, that requires some effort that takes 80 percent of fun out of it Well, If you’re not satisfied 100% and they aren’t, why are we gonna put ourselves in this situation to begin with? I started this thread to help others, in their faith and life, addressing taboos and untouchables topics, thinking outside of the box Do continue brother. But I expect you to constantly remind these readers of yours the stipulations(Re-read FF's reply) placed on such practices. I would like you to address the real underlining issues reading to this so called problem – which is the lack of eligible men with good Imaan. Besides, the whole population doesn’t stand at 1 man to 4 women yet. Its one man to every 1.6 women! So before you try and find a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist, find one for the one here, right now. Men to women ratio - USA 2000 India China - Where men outnumber women. Nur, unless you have the stats for Somalia, how come you're so convinced there are not enough men?

^^ Listen Mr.Feminist... slighty better than your chances. Just about the same probability as any other man. **Off to have dinner**

^^ What is wrong with QQ. He happens to be a perfect gentleman, down to earth and well versed in somali language and culture. Something that could be passed on to future generations...However, thats more than I can say for you 2 getting 2gether