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Ok. Just this one time, I’m gonna try and salvage what’s left of Phanta’s rep. She is obviously a few bolts loose of a proper fix these days. Phanta, this is not something to be proud of…. I wouldn’t care if you were an actual smoker, but you are not. Why you should pretend like one – Ilaahay baa og. But, just this once, I will call you out for the charlatan that you are in this thread. You wouldn’t know a cappuccino flavour from strawberry nor apple from banana! So stop pretending. The last time we were even dining in an Arab restaurant, the girl couldn’t breathe as a result of people smoking in the distance, let alone actually smoke, n now she has the audacity to come here n claim she is an experienced smoker (and give recommendations!) Phoney baloney! ! Phanta, put a cork on the nonsense! :mad: As for the rest of you – smoking is a nasty and destructive habit. Smoke at your own risk. p.s. Gender is not a factor. :rolleyes: p.p.s. This topic should be deleted for its sheer inanity.
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Nur, what credentials do you have for ur rebuttal to be valued any more than Mr.PhD?
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Originally posted by underdog: And THAT'S the best comeback you could create.... TSK TSK TSK :rolleyes: The pot calling the kettle black? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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^^ C why u r the weakest link. You cant decide. You dont know what ur talking about.
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They both matter. To what extent, depends.
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^^ U cant obviously nominate 1 person. :rolleyes:
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^^ Who are the other nominees? Just scouting the competition.
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^^ U'd be SOL's rudest person.
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^^ I nominate you for the weakest link.
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THE BEST FEELING...........................................
-Serenity- replied to lulla's topic in General
The best feeling in the world is waking up in the morning, feeling completely healthy. No headache. No pain. No discomfort. No worries. No work. No studying. Nothing. Just free and healthy. -
Originally posted by bilan: Amethyst: maybe it is peaceful demonstrations, but did you think of how your actions will impact on the lives of somalis living there, you are living in europe and do not need nothing from saudis, but there are thousands who depend on saudis, inside saudi arabia or even in somalia, and if saudis decide to retaliate, which is not impossible,what good did the demonstration acheived?. I'm sorry bilan, I fail to see your point through these tears and sheer mental anguish. . Seriously, I do though. What do you suggest? we keep quiet for fear of retaliation..albeit unprovoked! Do the Saudis have something against freedom of speech (course they do, but this isnt anti-Islam)? There is no dealing with them then, is there? I'm sure even the lay Saudi person realizes the awfulness of their despot monarchy and the hypocrisy of their laws and standards. I blv the whole point of the protest is to show our stand against their injustice to fellow Somalis....nothing more, nothing less. If the british govt executed 6 Somalis, not only would I protest right here, but I'm more than sure enough british people will join me. Dear, there comes a point where you have to make a stand for something you blv in, despite the consequences. Although how a peaceful show of protest will effect Somalis in KSA fails me.
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Fabulous! Good luck to Abdi, should he read this. Make us proud boi! And NGONGE, where is the source?
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SOMALIA: Saudi beheading of Somalis grossly unfair Amnesty says
-Serenity- replied to -Serenity-'s topic in Politics
Like I said NGONGE, I don't wail. And for the vulgar, I communicate with a language they understand. "The logic I used seems to have failed here!". You are right, I have not witnessed it. I have heard of it. And I shall condemn it with equal fervour! Seems to me like you've taken leave of your commonsense again and arguing for the heck of it. If your only intention is to offend, waa wax yar hadaba. Tolstoy...Thanks! (I'll have to read your piece more than once to fully take it in...so I'll be back for it.) -
Originally posted by bilan: i for one wish no one will come out. Its a PEACEFUL protest. No one will be maimed or insulted hopefully. The aim is to ask for justification and point out that Somalis despite their internal differences are united first and foremost and will not agree to being subjugated to unjust policies because of the helpless and weak status of their country.
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Originally posted by sky.african: ^^^ nuff for the laugh, the gada.bursi are known to be educationalists. And intellectuals
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Layzie You know you want to be in her shoes, keep on hating somalis. Do you? In your attemps to show indifference and an "open-minded" attitude, you're coming across rather as utterly ill-advised.
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SOMALIA: Saudi beheading of Somalis grossly unfair Amnesty says
-Serenity- replied to -Serenity-'s topic in Politics
Originally posted by NGONGE: Neither the author, nor “my†comrades (well not all of them anyway) have told you that this whole thing is but a typhoon in an oyster shell, dear. Could you understand that one? I would say how one reacts to any situation would depend on how they can relate to it or the extent it impacts on their lives. It maybe “typhoon in an oyster shell†for you, but for some it’s a “whirlwind in your doorstepâ€. It’s the usual case of moral panics. Did you cry when princess Diana died? And, since you’re in the UK, shall I mention Jessica and Holly, Sarah whatever her name and the various other similar cases! No, hang on; let me return to my favourite subject, poor old ZamZam (remember her?). I sympathise with those situations and if I were in a forum they were discussing it, would say so. What you fail to realize is that, its natural to be feel more connected to people of your own nationally/tribe/family and that “connection†strengthens as you go further down in the relationship hierarchy. I don’t even understand why you cited these examples (‘cept in the last one). They serve no purpose in your unconvincing argument You see, Amethyst, such “injustices†take place in the world all the time. There are countless stories, tragedies and unfair practises occurring all the time. The reaction to such instances is what’s important. To just wail and point fingers is not a sign of a healthy society. Your constant reference to issues that may or may not carry sentimental value to some as “wailing†is just plain offensive. This is a forum – primary objective being discussing issues. No1 is “wailingâ€, merely voicing their opinions. It’s the only thing you can do here. It would be foolish for you to assume this is all that is done. And about pointing fingers – no response necessary. Your articles above both overreact, like most of the people here, to incomplete information. In the case of Amnesty international, that’s just the way they’ve always been. The whole point of such an organisation is to push, cajole and magnify any examples of injustice so that they could help to banish them. I take it that you have the complete information then NGONGE? Please share since you’re reacting as well. With regards to this particular case, there just isn’t enough information and that’s the primary reason so many people feel injustice has taken place. The whole thing was done and dealt with in complete murkiness. Still, someone has to step back and see things for what they are. There is nothing NEW about executions in Saudi Arabia, nothing sacred about Somali lives that would say, “Execute all the others but don’t touch our Somalisâ€. In other words, in the usual scheme of things, the Saudi justice system did what it always does. This time the “accused†happened to be Somali! You too have a thing for stating the obvious eh? There injustice taking place from Guatanamo bay to baidao. What makes you think I don’t care about these just as much? I would have loved to quote the Quran and show you where it says, if we witness any injustice/wrong doing, we are asked to voice against it (but I cant since I’m at work n religious sites are blocked!...maybe you should research and reflect on that?) Should one have sympathy and wonder (note the use of this word) about the correctness of the punishment? OF COURSE. Should one enquire as to how such injustice should be stopped? IT WOULD BE A FAIR ENQUIRY. Should one wail and rant and lose his/her head with the vulgar? NOT IF ONE HAS ANY SENSE. Wonder in silence or enquire are your only options eh? What about saying what I think? Do you have something against people voicing their opinions? As for me being vulgar mr.NGONGE, one must communicate with another in a language they understand…wouldn’t u agree? -
SOMALIA: Saudi beheading of Somalis grossly unfair Amnesty says
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NGONGE, I understood what you and your comrades were attempting to explain all along...except you made no relevance to the case in point (cuz there is none). While the author dismissed this. -
SOMALIA: Saudi beheading of Somalis grossly unfair Amnesty says
-Serenity- replied to -Serenity-'s topic in Politics
Allah (Exalted is He) said in the Qur'an: "If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind" Al-Qur’an 5:32 And whose words carry more meaning other than Allah's when Allah(swt) said Allah loves not those who are unjust. The following article sums up alot that has been discussed in the forum. I hope, in some small way, this clears things up for some... like it did for me. Taken from Hiiraan website. The Saudi Executions: Un-Islamic and Extra-judicial Killing By Abdul Wahid Sheikh Osman Introduction It may seem quite disingenuous to some that so many Somalis have expressed sadness, outcry and anger regarding the recent Saudi executions. No foreign friend or foe has ever inflicted upon us as much misery and destruction as we, Somalis, brought upon ourselves. Therefore, if we, Somalis, are, indeed, serious about restoring our dignity and protecting our citizens and natural resources from the injustices and toxics of the foreigners, let us put our house in order and build a nation state that would safeguard our rights at home and abroad. This short comment is not intended to discuss the position or view of the western legal systems towards the punishment imposed on these six young men. Suffice to say that the methods by which these executions are carried out amount physical torture and are contrary to the Bill of Rights, Charter of Freedoms and other safeguards enumerated in the constitutions, statutes and laws of the Western countries. Instead, I will attempt to examine whether or not these punishments are reflective of the Islamic legal doctrines and injunctions. The Islamic Law and the Saudi Executions Since the majority of the provisions in the Saudi Penal Code are based on Islamic law, at least in theory, I would like to examine the Saudi actions under both the strict interpretations of the classic Islamic Law and in light of the expositions by the early Islamic Jurists. According to the statement by the Saudi Interior Ministry, the six Somali gangsters were convicted of “abducting and robbing taxi driversâ€. Thus, there were no allegations of murder in the statement. Now, based on the above facts, the only possible crime, under Islamic law, which these men can be charged with and which they might be found guilty of is the crime of Hirabah, a crime similar to the Highway Robbery. Linguistically (Arabic), the term Hirabah comes from the root Hariba, a verb that means to become angry and enraged. By derivation the noun harb (pl. hurub) means variously “war†and “enemy. In Islamic legal terminology, the term Hirabah is broadly defined as “spreading mischief in the land,†but its precise meaning is “killing by stealth and targeting a defenseless victim in a way intended to cause terror in society.†This crime , being one of the Hudud crimes, and its punishment is described in the holy Quran as Surah al-Maidah 5 verse 33-34 states “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crufication, or the cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter. Except for those who repent before they fall into the power: In that case, know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving and Most Merciful†The Jurists from the four major schools of jurisprudence in the Sunni Islam have interpreted the punishment contained in the above verse as following: (A) A Jail time or discretionary punishment (Ta’zir) not leading to death penalty but might include exile will be imposed where Hirabah was committed without seizure of property or causing death. (B) First strike: With amputation of the right hand from the wrist and the left foot from the ankle where property was seized, but death was not caused. © In the event of a Second strike, that is where the Hirabah is committed for the second time, the offender will face the imputation of the left hand from the wrist and the right foot from ankle. (D)Where murder occurs in the course of committing Hirabah but no property was seized, the offender will face the death penalty. (E) The most severe punishment will be imposed where the offender commits murder and seizes property, in which case he will face death penalty and or including crucification. In the absence of any credible and fair sentencing guidelines, appeal process and competent legal defense in the Saudi justice system, the Saudi executions are, therefore, from Islamic law perspective, unusual, appallingly inhumane, cruelly disproportionate punishment to the crimes allegedly committed by these young men. I am not questioning the solemn duty of the Saudi government to protect its citizens and maintain law and order rather, my point is that even under the most strict Islamic law interpretations, the charges brought against these young men carry maximum punishment of amputation of their hands and legs and NOT executions. I wonder if the Saudi authorities would find the guts to impose the same punishment had the offenders were its own citizens or those of powerful foreign country, a sad fact that speaks volumes about the state of administration of justice in the Muslim world today! Abdul Wahid SheikhOsman is an Adjunct Professor at the Law School of the University of Minnesota and a regular contributor of Hiiraan Online. E-mail: Shei0038@umn.edu -
SOMALIA: Saudi beheading of Somalis grossly unfair Amnesty says
-Serenity- replied to -Serenity-'s topic in Politics
Haddad, if you cant address the issue, kindly take leave of this thread.
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