Originally posted by Cowke: Puntland doesn't have any expansion plans of taking hargeisa whilst hargeisa has no expansion plans to bosaso. Plus jabuti is not on expansion plus somaliland doesnt to expand there either. Same applies with ethiopia. Why do u assume Somaliland has no expansion plans? Havent they taken over Sool including Las Anod? Havent they surounded Buhoodle? Havent they penetrated themselves to the east border of Sanaag? Their businessmen dominate a great portion of the Bosasso Economy. And who says they havent funded Atam, so they can get control of Bosasso. Their military is only 80km from Bosasso and like 20 km from Garowe. It doesnt take a genius to calculate where they are heading to.

Originally posted by Cowke: So what you guys think is causing the mess in hamar? Plz don't say it's foreigners because the question will be who invited those foreigns and we all know who did. Please don't say Historical reasons because italy colonized all the way from ras-casayr till jubbayoinka and puntland manages to use clan elders very effectively in securing the peace in our region. But their was less influence of italy in the north-east which can probably explain that. But the odeyo are used strongly in jubba and gedo and remain big reason why their is peace in that regions. So I find the historical and colonial idea a bit hard to swallow why hamar is so stuffed up. What we do know their is alot of clan hatred and alot of power hungury ppl who want to secure positions of power and the power struggle is happening in hamar and there are alot of players all with different political positions. Cowke, I think Hamar needs more people like you and more civilised people from Puntland and Somaliland. Therefore Xamar should be divided according to 4.5. And each tribe gets it own part of the City to secure and govern, much like Berlin was divided in 4 sections by the allied forces. People dont need to move, but they have to accept the law of the new rulers.

Sxb, the EC doesnt provide this kind of 'extra' funding to countries on a daily basis. And besides in the South they hardly cant spend any funding, besides for emergency food. This is what they call in diplomacy, a early christmass gift.

European Commission allocates €35 million for victims of conflict and natural disasters in Somalia Source: European Commission Humanitarian Aid department (ECHO) Date: 27 Jul 2010 IP/10/1012 Brussels, 27 July 2010 Today, the European Commission has adopted a €35 million funding decision to support humanitarian activities in Somalia. It is estimated that approximately 3,200,000 people, about 42% of the population of Somalia, would need emergency humanitarian assistance and/or livelihood support in the first half of 2010; at the same time field assessments suggest that the situation is unlikely to improve in the second half of this year. The €35 million Decision adopted today will address a wide range of relief interventions in the following sectors; health, nutrition, food aid/food security, water and sanitation, non-food items/shelter, disaster risk reduction, logistics, security, and the coordination of partner operations. Kristalina Georgieva, Commissioner for International Cooperation, Humanitarian Aid and Crisis Response, said: "Somalia people are the first victims of the deadly combination of continuous fighting and adverse climatic conditions. Their extreme resilience has been stretched to the limit. Many Somali die in silence for lack of food, medical and sanitary care. We cannot let them down however difficult and dangerous the conditions are for our relief-work-, The Commission as leading humanitarian donor will continue its long-standing commitment to address the main humanitarian needs of the Somali population." More than 18 years of clan-based conflict and civil unrest in central and southern Somalia have had a devastating impact leading to huge population displacements. The situation has been aggravated by worsening cyclical droughts, floods and outbreaks of infectious diseases, such as cholera, resulting in wide-spread humanitarian needs. The Commission recognises the complexity of the situation and the need for assistance in multiple sectors, as well as mainstreaming disaster risk reduction activities in order to reinforce the resilience and coping mechanisms of the affected people. The situation on the ground remains extremely difficult and dangerous for aid agencies; their ability to access and operate in Somalia remains severely constrained, especially in the central and southern regions of the country. Background The €35 million funding comes in addition to an allocation in June 2010 of €20 million to support six drought-prone countries in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia. Natural hazards, particularly droughts, which are occurring with increased frequency, place a huge strain on pastoralists and agro-pastoralists who represent 80% of the Somali population. All funds are channelled through the Commission's Humanitarian Aid and Civil Protection department (ECHO), under the responsibility of Commissioner Georgieva. The Commission-funded projects are implemented by non-governmental relief organisations, specialised UN agencies ICRC and the Red Cross/Red Crescent movement. ECHO closely follows developments in the humanitarian situation and plays an active role in the overall coordination of relief efforts and monitors the use of the Commission's relief funds. The EU is the biggest donor to Somalia, and is engaged in supporting the re-establishment of peace and security in Somalia (including Somaliland and Puntland) through development assistance. For information on Commission's humanitarian aid: http://ec.europa.eu/echo/index_en.htm

This doesnt change anything on the anomosity of the people in Maakhir towards Puntland. That anomosity is very real, some would still continue to support Al Shabaab fight against Puntland eventhaught they dont share their ideology.

Originally posted by Thankful: quote:Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: Somaliland's Silanyo takes oath in show of democracy 27 Jul 2010 11:50:16 GMT Source: Reuters Years of fighting against the south ensued and galvanised the Somaliland's population, dominated by a single clan , to turn its back on civil war and seek independence. (Reporting by Hussein Ali Noor; editing by Richard Lough) .........It's quite sad so many where banned from running for top office and only one group was able to be opposition. Dont worry there is a Vacancy for the UDUB leadership and its open to all groups. They have a diversity policy. And there is new chance in 5 years. http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/9/24036

THE IBRAHIM PRIZE http://www.moibrahimfoundation.org/en/section/the-ibrahim-prize The Ibrahim Prize recognises and celebrates excellence in African leadership. The prize is awarded to a democratically elected former African Executive Head of State or Government who has served their term in office within the limits set by the country's constitution and has left office in the last three years. The Ibrahim Prize consists of US$5million over 10 years and US$200,000 annually for life thereafter. It is the largest annually awarded prize in the world. The Foundation will consider granting a further $200,000 per year, for 10 years, towards public interest activities and good causes espoused by the winner. The winner of the Ibrahim Prize is selected by an independent Prize Committee, appointed by the Foundation Board, which assesses every eligible sub-Saharan African leader on their exercise of leadership and the performance of their country during their time in office. The importance of high quality leadership in sub-Saharan African cannot be overstated. There are many challenges and often few resources of state to address them. It is why the efforts of those leaders who rise above these contraints to develop their countries, lift people out of poverty, and pave the way for future prosperity and success should be recognised and celebrated. The money from the Ibrahim Prize will also help to ensure that Africa doesn't lose the experience and expertise of its best leaders when they leave office, by enabling them to continue in other public roles. While leaders from the Western world have a range of options open to them after leaving office, including writing memoirs or sitting on company boards, these are not available to their African counterparts. The prize allows them to build on their achievements in office and play an active role in civil society, diplomacy or conflict resolution on the continent once they have left office. The first two Ibrahim Laureates, Joaquim Chissano and Festus Mogae, and the Foundation's Honorary Laureate, Nelson Mandela, are just a few examples of the extraordinary contributions that African leaders can make after office. And, finally, the Ibrahim Prize is a way of drawing attention to the real progress happening across the continent which too often gets overshadowed by the problems and challenges in individual countries. It is a way of introducing balance into perceptions of Africa. While the continent faces trying challenges and, in some cases, failures of leadership, there is also good news and great leadership coming from Africa. The Foundation believes that one of the best ways to channel its resources is to strengthen great African leadership by recognising and celebrating the individuals who play such a critical role in determining the future of their countries. Considering that in 2008 alone, aid to sub-Saharan Africa from G7 countries totalled just over an estimated US$25 billion, the Foundation believes that the money it is contributing through the Ibrahim Prize is a comparatively small investment. But given to an individual with a proven ability to contribute to Africa the money has the potential for very significant returns. The prize money is designed to work in conjunction with billions of dollars of development spending, foreign investment and national resources. If a country is well governed this means there will be a significant increase in the effectiveness and impact of all funds in the country.

This looks like the summer garden party of the neighbours. Too bad. I expected a crowning in front of thousands. Like when Faisal was speeching in Erigavo.

If you ask me there was only one national Minister in that group that didnt consider himself as the local/tribal boy in the block. But he did his job, worked and travelled in the whole of Somaliland and not only the triangle. And was known and appreciated by the locals in many far away villages.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Cabdi Haybe ,,, What did the Minister of Agriculture do in those couple of months in office, that makes you miss him? Or did you like him as Minister of Health when he had a fight with every doctor and nurse in Hargeysa and surrounding?

Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: There is only one minister I will miss in the rayaale cabinet Who will that be?

What is my real name? You seem to know who I am?Why do you make every contribution I make a discussion on my idendity? Instead of answering the real questions I ask.' And its true this delegation is nothing to be proud of, its a very light diplomatic mission with hardly any mandate. Nothing special. Does that make you angry.

Indeed, thank you Mr.President. You have showed these people who really had bigger balls.

niyow maxaad la qanaaqday. maybe I shouldnt have called you monkey. dont throw stones at me now, I know monkeys tend to throw stones at everyone when they are angry.

Djibouti could have send the Prime-Minister or atleast the Minister of Foreign Affairs. This a light weight delegation, nothing to write home about. How about Ethiopia, who are they sending? Why hasnt the TFG or Puntland and Galmudug State been invitited? Or at least some traditional elders from the region. I think this is a missed oppportunity to celeberate such an event with your real neighbours. Too bad. If they would have asked me, then I would have invited all the Sultans, Boqors, Garaads,Ilaans, Aaqils and everyone with a title and cumaamad from the whole region. Men I would have even invite the Luo Kings, the Kikuyu traditional leaders all the traditional Kings from Ethiopian Omo-valley. Just to show them who is the real Lion and King in the region. But this is here? this is a local gig. nothing special.

Originally posted by Libaahe*: Interesting you learn something new everyday, Ileen Ilkojir was born in erigavo, the same erigavo he can't visit, overall impressive credentials he is surely better qualified than Faroole the former taxi driver. Generaal Ilkajiir seems to have an outstanding and clean record. what is your point Libaahe? That he is born in Erigavo and cant visit the city? I think he can visit as a Minister in Puntland, but then he would foil tenstion and that is nobody's interest, that is why he avoids going to Erigavo as a Minister. But he could visit in any other capacity. Nobody could stop him from visiting his birth place.

Its good to establish political parties and think of programs which you could develop the country with and have internal structures so people can get involved in the party. check this Somali party from Sweden, it seems to be the Somali version of the Labour Party. http://www.ssup.se/ssup.php?catid=Welcome%20Statement Or this one from Denmark, party There is even a Somali Green Party, green party I wonder what kind of program they have on ethical issue.

UDUB Party is seeking an Oppostion Leader Field of expertise: Security and Tribal relations. Duty station: Hargeysa, with regular travels to villages(Borama, Berbera, Burco, Erigavo and Las Anod), Ethiopia and countries with large diaspora. Date of entry on duty: as soon as possible The general minimum requirements - Excellent knowledge of Somali and at least some understandable English -Knowledge of all tribal lineages. - Ability to cope with personal insults and be prepared to insult President and Head of States from neighbouring regions and countries and other political leaders(Faisal Waraabe specificly) in a poetic manner. -Ability to speech, make funny comments, pretend to be angry at goverment and praise hosts/clans at parties, gatherings and mass demonstrations. Education: -No Specific education is required. But must pretend to be educated and knowledgeable. -Must have or be prepared to take up an academic or military title Col,Gen,Dr, Ir, or position like Proffesor. Specific requirements: - Ability to quickly establish contact and constructive relations with clan leaders. - Significant experience working with senior foreign(Ethiopian) government officials - Significant experience in talking to the BBC Radio - Knowledge of the political-military map of Somalia (TFG, Ahlu Sunna, ICU, TFG, Al Shabaab, Puntland, Galmudug State, Galguduud Sate) Duration -The envisaged duration of the position is for life time, till elections are lost or in case a vacancy opens up for the Presidency or post of Prime-Minister of Somalia. Benefit -No Salary, but in general diaspora and business people tend to be generous. -Daily khat consumption is covered by the goverment, as stated in the Political Party Funding Law. Selection As part of the selection process candidate will be tested on their knowledge of tribal and myi related issues. Only those candidates that pass will be invited for the interview. UDUB is committed to achieving diversity and better balance of regions and tribes is part of political views therefore the nomination of candidates from Awdal, Sanaag, Sool and Cayn region are particularly encouraged.

Where ever Somaliland is heading to, normalisation and dialogue with neigbouring regions(Djibouti, Puntland, Somali region in Ethiopia and the South (Galmudug, Galguduud, TFG) should be a priority. And I would even recommend (secret) talks and dialogue with ONLF, this would show the people good will and would make it easier to solve (tribal) clashes in Hawd. And it would show Ethiopia that Somalilands has its own independant Foreign Policy. And if Ethiopia will not recongnize it, then that Somaliland seeks recongition from their brothers. Whish should they have done a long time ago.

Xumaani waa xumaan, macaa haduu wallaalkaa sameeyay oo sabab aad fahmi kartid u sameeyay, markaa wali waa xumaan. Adna waxaad isleedahay xumaantiisi dakda fahamsii wuxu u sameeyay, ama dadka tus ine xumaantii caadi ee noqotay oo qof walba sameeyay. markaa wali waa xumaan! You cannot justify something which is wrong. You can try to make someone understand why that person did wrong, but it is and will stay wrong. And you can even attack the messenger on his 'character', or his personal history or family reputation, but the fact is and will remaing something which is WRONG. So my advise, dont even try to justify that which is pure injustice.

Someone wrote this on another Forum on the same topic, and I do agree with it the context of this discussion. **************************************** Maah maah Soomaaliyeed baa waxay tiraahdaa; Gabar ayaa walaalkeed naaska ka taabtay. Markaas baay waxay aragtay dadkii la joogay oo aamusay oo sugaya bal siday uga jawabto mashaqadaa dhacday. Waxay tiri; "walaalkay oo naaskayga taabtay, waa sidaan hadba ka dhigto" Hadaan xumaan u arkana waa xumaan hadaan u arko laba meelood oo jirkayga (naaskeeda iyo gacanta walaalkeed)ka mid ah oo istaabtayna waa mid. Markaa, arinta ****** waa sidaynu ka dhigano hadaynu nahay Soomaali haddaan xumaan u aragno xumaan bay noqonaysaa hadaan micno dheeraad ah ayna u yeelinna sidaas bay ahaanaysaa. Markaa magacan obsseska lagu noqday ha la ilaawo oo hadafka ha laga fakaro. Maxay kula tahay? la joogay *****************************************

Dont forget the big exception on that list. Abdi Mohamed Hassan(the Hero of Hargeysa, the Hero of all Somali's), the pilot who refused to bomb Hargeisa. INTERVIEW - Somali pilot returns to city he refused to bomb Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:29am EDT By Hussein Ali Nur and Guled Mohamed HARGEISA Somalia, June 27 (Reuters Life!) - On July 13, 1988, Somali fighter pilot Abdi Mohamed Hassan was ordered to bomb Hargeisa city as part of operations by dictator Mohamed Siad Barre to crush anti-government forces.....Reuters (Writing by Guled Mohamed; Edit by Matthew Jones) Other articles: Mudulood SL Times Intervieuw SL Democracy Watch This is what the guardian wrote in 1988: ****** According to The Guardian newspaper, Somali Air Force pilot has defected to neighbouring Djibouti after refusing to bomb civilian targets in the rebel held Northern city of Hargeisa. Lieutenant-Colonel Ahmed Mohamed Hassan, the defected pilot provides further evidence, in a telephone interview with Omar Alasow, in his residence in Luxemburg that: "At the briefing (before the attack) we were instructed that the military target is the enemy. Direct your attacks against wherever there is a high concentration of Isaaqs. They are all SNM members and supporters (meaning civilian population from the ***** clan). I asked the Brigadier-General if such bombardment was legitimate and constitute a military advantage for the Air Force. "It is the responsibility of the Isaaqs (civilian population) to kick out the SNM from their homes. They accommodate them. Let them face the consequence" he replied, adding that "in times of war we are obliged to obey orders. No question." The original mission of the Somali National Army was to protect the nation from external aggression. I was trained to fight against an enemy force not my own people; my decision was firm to risk dying rather than bombarding civilians and their property." The Guardian, Friday July 15, 1988.

Here is the proof 2010 , in Appendix II you will see all names of people handed to Ethiopia by Somaliland and Puntland. There was a hearing in the European Parliament on this issue 2 month ago. Cant belief that some people are still denying what is happening. If you open your eyes, you will see all the proof there is. That Somaliland and Puntland do handover people to Ethiopia, while knowing what can happen to those people they handover. very sad. Very professional report and presentation prebared by the Coalition of ****** Civil Societies to the European Parliament. Well done. Hearing European Parliament Presentation EP

He just finished his thesis will get his doctorate degree in the fall, but already is Professor? waa sheekadii kuwii secondaryga kasoo baxay ee loogu yeeri jiray, Il Dottore.

At 50, Does a Democratic Somaliland Emerge on the Ashes of Somalia? WardherNews Editorial July 12 , 2010 On July 1st, 1960 Somalia became independent with high hopes associated with the then young country; a peaceful, democratic, and internally cohesive nation was anticipated. Alas, none of these were fulfilled. Today, Somalia is engulfed by a resilient civil war, lack of infrastructure, pernicious clan system that divides more than it unites, and sheer disintegration of its nationhood. After fifty years of independence, Somalia, born out of former British and Italian Somaliland that came together as one entity, is today in a status of permanent failed state, coupled by a looming fatal disintegration - two of its regions are seeking either secession (in the case of Somaliland) or full autonomy in the case of Puntland. Despite almost a decade of democratic governance system between 1960 and 1969, where parties and elections were as regular as they could be in any other country, the usurpation of power by a socialist inclined military regime helped undermine whatever legitimacy that there was then. The concept of “Cult Personality,” an alien notion to Somali tradition and customs, took hold for a while when Siad Barre became the undisputed dictator of the country. Barre’s tyranny was consequently followed by a succession of self-styled warlords and religious radicals whose militias are still one way or another wreaking havoc on the country. The clan system that had worked seamlessly when the country did not have a modern government (because there was a system of informal leadership that maintained some sort of order and resolved conflicts) had become a potent tool to divide and manipulate the society. The combined effects of devastating clannism (pitting one clan against another) and the 1977-78 Ethio-Somali war (Somalia lost that war) coupled with several clan-based opposition movements in the 1980s, prominent among them the Somali National Movement (SNM) effectively weakened the country’s institutions. By the 1980s, the highly celebrated unifying factors of [same] language, religion, and culture which until then was perceived as the architecture that cemented Somalia’s oneness could not withstand the tool of “divide and rule” in the hands of clan politicians, thus precipitating today’s resilient, or what mostly likely appears to be, a permanent failed state. Whether Somaliland, along with Puntland, is a product coming out of the ashes of the failed Somalia state, remains to be seen. Meanwhile, the most important issue that warrants our attention in Somaliland is the successful election which its leaders and its engaging public concluded on the fateful eve of June 26, 2010, where the long time opposition party, KULMIYE and its erstwhile Somali National Movement chairman, Ahmed Mohamed (Silanyo) won by a comfortable margin of 50 percent of all the counted votes. The level of credibility of the election process, especially when evaluated against the unacceptable behavior of other regional governments (Ethiopia, Djibouti, Kenya, et al) and the subsequent acceptance of the results by all three participating parties, particularly the loosing ruling UDUB party, deserves our utmost praise. Having said that, one is tempted to appraise the challenges and opportunities faced by the victor, president-elect Ahmed Silanyo, and the government he is about to establish. At a reception, July 5, 2010, that the loosing UCID party hosted for its supporters, Faysal Ali Warabe, Somaliland’s flashy [modern] politician, underlined some of the daunting broad challenges Somaliland faces, including corruption, poverty, tribalism, bad governance and a perennial conflict with Puntland. President elect Ahmed Silanyo greeted by supporters There are several salient challenges opportunties, some new and some old, facing the newly elected president and navigating through both courses would require careful and objective analysis of issues at hand. Challenges The Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC) issues is a huge political challenge that the new president and his administration must resolve in order to attend to issues of governance and development. Since the unilateral declaration of secession by Somaliland (or North Western regions of Somalia) by the now-defunct Somali National Movement (SNM), which Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo chaired in the 1980s, the inhabitants of the SSC politically and legally challenged Hargaisa on its choice of breaking up Somalia into pre-colonial regions. With the establishment of HBM-SSC political and military organs (Hoggaanka Badbaadada & Midnimada), seeking military confrontation with Hargaisa, peace and stability for Somaliland is at best illusive. Whether SNM ideology will resurrect under a Silanyo administration is one more worrisome political issue for Somaliland. In the period that the now defeated former president, Rayaale, and his predecessor and mentor, the late Mohamed Haji Ibrahim Egal, presided over the government in Hargaisa, they both downplayed the history of SNM and its contemporary political role. If, however, Ahmed Silanyo breaths life back to SNM, which is quite possible given that his transitional team is heavily dominated by former SNM members, not only would that complicate the question of SSC, but may instill fear in other groups in the region, thus upsetting a fragile peace and stability among the region’s clans. The gargantuan task of converting the good will associated with its enviable free and fair election into an international recognition for Somaliland statehood (as an independent and sovereign state that is divorced from Somalia, both legally and illegally) is a major challenge which the new administration, like its predecessor, faces upon coming to office. A public that has grown weary about promises after promises by its politicians, who has closed all doors to negotiated settlements when it comes to its political marriage with the rest of the country (that is Somalia), will undoubtedly demand fast and favorable results. This is a major challenge to achieve, given that all international instruments regulating and protecting the sovereign statehood of Somalia are against secession oriented solutions. Somaliland presidential election on June 26, 2010 Opportunities Silanyo’s H*** J**** heritage, which has a deep-rooted familial relationship with the northern ***** clans, is an obvious asset that, if well utilized, can minimize the raging conflict in the SSC regions. He must reach out to the leadership of Erigavo and Las Anod, as well as the Haud regions, for a meaningful dialogue with the concerned communities. In this regard, a three-pronged strategy should be followed: (1) invite high caliper people with integrity from the SSC communities for an early consultation; (2) a summit with the Dh********* and W******** leadership (particulary those who oppose Hargeisa’s secession agenda) should be organized; (3) Immediate results should aim at easing out conflict in the Haud region, with a policy of containment, not confrontation, as the guiding policy for the foreseeable future. Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo enjoys a paramount legitimacy that Rayaale, a former security officer in the Barre regime, never had. He needs to cash this political capital and seek serious reforms in administration and enhance peace in the eastern regions. Moreover, as he promised in his victory speech, he has enough political legitimacy to stamp out corruption and inefficiency in the government. Given the recently world-wide good wish and appreciation as a result of the free and fair elections which propelled him to the highest office, his administration must go after bilateral aid and assistances that the West could give to Somaliland. It is a prudent policy that the gargantuan, difficult-to-achieve international recognition must not debilitate other efforts to improve and enhance governance and create jobs in the devastated public sector. WardheerneNews urges the president elect Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo to form a small and efficient administration with a focused scope of curbing corruption, improving public services and infrastructure. The first steps taken by the president elect in forming task forces to advise in the plan and formation of the new administration and oversee the transitional period is a positive step forward. Send your Comments to: WardheerNews Editorial Board