Originally posted by Cowke: Ibtisam me and my clan waa busy ok. Niyow kuweygu waxba ma qabtaan, tolow sidaan busy kaga dhigaa.

But actually my dream was about 5 Somali regions and the 5 star. Puntland was not part of my dream nor part of the 5 star. What shall we do with Puntland?

no, my point is not a federation bu independant countries which work or have a common foreign policy. in this way you could accomodate Djibouti, Somaliland and Wester Somalia when they get independant from Ethiopia.

Have you noticed that all the Somali flags have the 5 star. So the dream of cooperation is still alive. The star represents the unity between the Somali people where ever they are. solidarity between Somali's. Djibouti Somalia Western-Somalia Somaliland South-Western Somalia(NFD) Puntland

Do you think if Somaliland/Somalia would develop a common foreign policy and even shared embassies(like the Nordic countries), this could be a possible solution. In this way each country could handle its domestic issue's seperate and we could work on cooperating slowly to the 5 Somali's(Somalia, Somaliland, Djibouti, NFD and Western-Somali region). And Somaliland would have to comprise by not having its seperate foreign policy at the same time keeping its indepedance. I offer this as possible solution. Because I noticed that the biggest reason why Somali people are against Somaliland, is because they fear that foreign powers could divide Somali's. And by having a common foreign policy, common ambassadors and embassies you would ensure that we stand united to the outside world, and handle our own issue's domesticly seperate. In this way the 5 Somali regions could work together. And the dream young people had in 1960 could come true. What do you think?

Editorial IGAD is misleading the world on Somalia [Editorial] 6 Jul 6, 2010 - 12:50:23 PM GAROWE ONLINE EDITORIAL | President Sharif's speech in Addis Ababa and his begging for more foreign troops is a clear indication that no clan is in control of Mogadishu. The Assembly of Heads of State of the Inter-governmental Authority on Development (IGAD), a regional bloc of several East African nations, concluded in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa this week with a declaration dominated by the conflict in Somalia. The Summit was attended by the Heads of State of: Ethiopia, Uganda, Sudan, Djibouti, Kenya, and the President of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia, Sheikh Sharif Ahmed. Expectedly, the TFG leader used alarm words such as "Al Qaeda has taken over Somalia" to ring alarm bells in Washington and Brussels, as the international community grapples with the disastrous after-effects of the controversial Djibouti Agreement signed exclusively by representatives of the ****** clan – the clan that came to dominate Mogadishu after its militia savagely massacred and expelled fellow clans, especially the *****, in 1991 as the Somali nation-state disintegrated. It is no wonder that Mogadishu has not seen peace ever since. In 2008, a coalition of interests self-organized to take down the first president of the TFG – and the man who restored the presidential seat at Villa Somalia for the first time since Gen. Barre's departure in 1991. That distinction goes to none other than Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, who resigned respectfully in Dec. 2008 under surmounting international pressure. Those members of the TFG, including former Prime Minister Nur Hassan Hussein (Nur Adde), who worked very hard to get rid of Yusuf's leadership, used a notorious slogan to move international opinion: "Abdullahi Yusuf is the obstacle to peace in Somalia." Why was Yusuf targeted so maliciously? There are many apparent reasons, but mainly the empty rhetoric of Somali nationalism under the pretext of opposing Ethiopian troops in Mogadishu. The Ethiopian army withdrew from Mogadishu with President Yusuf's departure and the Djibouti Agreement as a cover. What followed is the ascension to power (on paper) of President Sheikh Sharif and the consolidation of power (on the ground) by Al Shabaab extremists. If Yusuf was "the obstacle to peace," how does one explain the change of fortune for the TFG, which once controlled most regions in south-central Somalia? Further, who is today's obstacle to peace? The IGAD declaration on July 5, 2010, states three highly controversial points: Clause 3: Underlines that the conflict in Somalia is not a conflict among the Somalis but between the people of Somalia and international terrorist groups; Clause 8: Decides to work with all parties including AMISOM and UN Security Council to raise 20,000 troops to be deployed throughout the country. In this regard, Summit embraces the need to mobilize Somali forces internally with possible intervention by neighboring countries including approach the East African Community and empower them with resources and equipment; Clause 18: Affirms that the Djibouti process remains the sole basis for the Somalia peace and reconciliation and rejects the proliferation of initiatives inimical to the swift resolution fo the crisis in Somalia; President Sharif's speech in Addis Ababa and his begging for more foreign troops is a clear indication that no clan is in control of Mogadishu. Those ****** politicians who travel to Nairobi with false information of ******'s imagined power in Mogadishu must face today's tough reality and the end of their fiction: Sheikh Sharif, crowned as the ****** president who could defeat Al Shabaab in Mogadishu, travels in a Ugandan tank every time he returns from yet-another foreign visit. These same politicians, during the run-up to the failed Djibouti Agreement, promised the world that a ****** president would bring peace and that Abdullahi Yusuf, the ***** president, was a "foreigner" from Puntland and he could not control ******-dominated Mogadishu. As they say, a lie only has one foot to stand on and President Sharif's abject failures is a truth that is LOUDER than all the lies combined. IGAD should not mislead the African Union and the United Nations with declarations that contain dangerous precedents for the future of Somalia. The conflict in Somalia is always a socio-political conflict among the Somalis. The international terrorist groups, such as Al Shabaab, emerged in recent years as a direct result of the Somali civil war. But for President Sharif, along with many ****** politicians, to accept such fabrications from IGAD serves the hidden agenda: an attempt to mislead the world that the Somali civil war has ended (indeed, an evil effort to deny the 1991 clan pogroms). But such misleading language is necessary to justify yet another foreign intervention in Somalia, and the worrying reference to "possible intervention by neighboring countries" is another cover for Ethiopia and Kenya to intervene in Somalia under the pretext of fighting Al Shabaab. In the minds of evil-doers, the more the war looks like Somalis vs. Al Shabaab, the more the world will forget about the 1991 clan pogroms that led to the disintegration of the nation-state. Without addressing the 1991 clan pogroms, and the uprooting of an entire society (*****) from Mogadishu,there can never be Somali nation-state. Indeed, if the Djibouti Agreement was actually working as designed, there would be no need for 20,000 troops – it seems, after nearly six years, President Sharif stands today exactly where President Yusuf stood when he first addressed the African Union in Oct. 2004 to request 20,000 troops, only days after his election as TFG president. In conclusion, two things will never work in Somalia: 1) the Djibouti Agreement, as representative of a single clan, will never work for Somalia as a nation and was a perfect cover for Ethiopian withdrawal, as the Bush years came to an end; 2) any military solution, 20,000 troops or not; Somalia needs a political settlement among Somalis, who must reorganize under a federal system. Garowe Online Editorial Comments/Questions/Concerns/Letters to the Editor: editorial@garoweonline.com

Originally posted by Cowke: I just called my dad and he says he is going to go for the vacated spot that yusuf dheg left in china's embassy. I don't know if he was joking or serious though lol So you are supporting the new Minister cause your father hopes to get a job from him. That sounds fair and typically opportunistic, a true man of Puntland.

First of all Galkacyo is not Puntland. Its a divided city. Unless you wanna build a big wall in Galkacyo in cant become Puntland, even the Airport is administered by Galmudug. So you cant count the population of whole of Galkacyo to Puntland Garowe is a village with a small population. Bosasso is full of refugees, oromo's and pirates. The Puntland population in Bosasso is very small.

Originally posted by Cowke: quote:The distribution of aid to the health sector by zones was fairly evenly distributed during the period 2000 to 2006. Sixty-one percent of funding went to South and Central zone (which accounts for 52 percent of the population); 19 percent to Puntland (which accounts for 20 percent of the population); and 20 percent to Somaliland (which accounts for 28 percent of the population). Ps: Lets not forget that doesn't include sool/sanaag. Thats Just mudug/bari/nugaal. If we include sool and sanaag into that then would rise to 30%. If we include gedo/jubbayoinka well over 45-50% According tot the 4.5 To get Puntland you should divide 100 by 4.5, and then by 5(Sool, Sanaag, Puntland, Gedo and a.o.). That makes it 4,4% of the Somali population. But because of the situation in the South, Puntland gets much moore aid assistance.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Maakhir to me and I say this with great degree respect to you is just bunch of frontier towns and villages that lack proper administration and security.It is vast and seemingly empty land (compared to urban centers of Hargeysa, Burca, and Boroma) with no real economic viability and security guarantee. I think is insulting and it shows that you do not care about the people of Maakhir, your only interested in bashing Somaliland.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: OK-I found out why my post was deleted Nassir....I think it's easy to use the clan card as means to discredit anyone in Somalia.Undoubtedly, tribalism plays prominent role in all Somali "politics" but the secessionists have with greater degree of success framed and nurtured a message that depicts secessionist enclave as the ONLY Somali haven where peace and prosperity thrive-bastion of democracy and stability where good governance and the rule of law prevail;where government institutions and private enterprise have taken root; and model of sensible Western democracy beautiful contrast to land ravaged by war and to be engulfed by Al-Qaida style "Islamist". What is needed is well-thought message that repudiates the secessionists' claims on the merits of their movements qualifications which has been greatly enhanced by the latest election; an election widely accepted and certified as being fair and free by those that matter in the greater geopolitical arena. Any counter message must be followed by tangible action.Maakhir to me and I say this with great degree respect to you is just bunch of frontier towns and villages that lack proper administration and security.It is vast and seemingly empty land (compared to urban centers of Hargeysa, Burca, and Boroma) with no real economic viability and security guarantee.A proper administration and uniformed regular security forces are needed to dispel this image. Democratization process however imperfect must be initiated in Puntland. This is palatable alternative and good counter bunch to the secessionist movement.All this must be complemented by move away from "SSC/Maakhir vs. Somaliland, Puntland vs. Somaliland or "Traingle" (read qabiil) vs. Cowke infamous Block to move towards to legitimate opposition to secessionists in Hargeysa within former British Protectorate (legally dead entity that can not be resuscitated) .Any such opposition's message must echo that of the larger Somali population so that this is not just one reer Hebel against the other. Unionists must also identify elements within Somaliland population that oppose secession but are simply afraid or outnumbered to express their views openly. Anyhow to sum it up,the secessionists are learning their BTJX but we are still swinging from tree branch to another. P.S. Rageh is reporter and is always looking for the next great story.Somaliland presents the next opportunity for great story, rather him than some Western report I say. And it should be noted he always present the fact Somaliland is secessionist enclave, that Somalia is his country, and that his family lives in self-declared state. A cry for Revolution on SOL?

I like Cowke. He makes me laugh. And his contributions are original. I am going to dedicate a thread to memorable Cowke quotes.

According to the CIA/PSI there are 500 pirates in Puntland eacht with a AK-47. So the weapons inventory equals = 500 AK 47.

Originally posted by Hales: quote:explain to us why you support the dismentaling of a country. I wouldnt call it dismanteling since there case is not to permanently seccede and is only temporarily until a new Somali government emerges. The region has been undermnined by both Puntland and Somaliland and i would support the re-organization of these people to decide their own future and since the real threat for seccession comes from the Western regions of Somalia this would be counter influential to their designs in the region. Like i said creating a ssc country is almost laughable and not something that will ever happen, the reason i would support is strictly for the above. As to my original original question how is Somaliland any different? What is diffrent about it. Is that you have been crusading Somaliland for secessionism, while you justify the another secessionist. thats called hypocrisy. Where is your virtue for somali unity that you have been proffesing for so long or what this all pretend?

Originally posted by Hales: Yes, I would support SSC' s case And what is your argument to support secesionism? What is your case? explain to us why you support the dismentaling of a country.

Originally posted by Hales: How is Somaliland any different? Are you supporting Seccesionism?

In the same way, as Somaliland, SSC Government is to launch a campaign to Vigourously Seek International Recognition http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6229484-in-the-same-way-as-oneclansecessionist-somaliland- ssc-government-is-to-launch-a-campaign-to-vigourously-seek-international-recognition Reports coming from the Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn reveal that the SSC government has established a low level commission to start deliberations and consultations regarding SSC territories seek an international recognition for their own country. The commission is expected to start its tasks quickly and report back to the SSC government on its final thought on the subject. Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn territories are located to the east of secessionist one clan Somaliland and west of Puntland. The reports further explain that the SSC will always be open to reunite back with other Somalis and their regional administrations to make up Somalia again as soon as the moment is right and everyone is ready. The stance of the SSC is in a sharp contrast to the one-clan-secessionist Somaliland who also seeking international recognition for their tribal enclave and shows no compromise to reconsider the secession of their small tribal territory from the rest of Somalia.

He is a low live. Guys ignoor him. I am sure he will meet his destiny.

Actually, his wife left him after the start of the civil war in 1988. She moved to USA and took al his money. Cause this guy was a very rich, he was a regular reer myi from Cabudwaaq who couldnt read or write, but through connections of his uncles he got a lot of contracts to supply the military. So, he is a bit angry that wife took away all the money he was stealing for years from the Somali ppl.

Well done. Congrats. We need to support the Maakhir University. So moore students can study at home. http://galgalanews.com/index/?p=2717

markaan maqlay 'dumar' iyo 'qaad' in one sentence waxbaa kacay.

markaan maqlay 'dumar' iyo 'qaad' in one sentence waxbaa kacay.

Xagee joogaan dumarkin? Jacalbaro numberkooda maad ii heysaa?

Xagee joogaan dumarkin? Jacalbaro numberkooda maad ii heysaa?

Originally posted by Libaahe*: Chief_Aaqil , why are you so eager on bringing politicians who are not even pro somaliland on the board when those individuals will most likely be disloyal to somaliland? I doubt your makhiirian authenticity. The fact that she is not a chearleader for ***** doesnt mean she is against her people and her land.