It was reported from the blessed prophet s.a.w: “One who is killed defending his wealth is a Shaheed, one who is killed defending his blood is a Shaheed, one who is killed defending his religion is a Shaheed, and one who is killed defending his family is a Shaheed” [saheeh, reported by Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, an-Nisaa`i and Ahmad from Sa’eed bin Zaid. Also in Saheeh al-Jami’ #6321] Therefore, we can clearly come to the conclusion that the war in Iraq is undoubtedly a jihad which is Fard Cayn for every Muslim in those areas of Iraq and will continue to all of us as Muslims until the aggression ceases. It is a jihad for the simple fact that our brethren are been attacked in their own homes and are been dictated to by aggressors. The stance on this is clear-cut so we say may Allah have mercy on all the Shuhadaa'.

Mobb, With all due respect (once more) brother, you seem to be contradicting yourself . In the original posts, i don't believe i was referring to the administration, rather CY himself. Having said that, in your reply you stated " but one uses to make sure rules and regulations exist”- therefore it is only natural that I conclude that you are speaking of CY (that he is the ‘one’ you refer to). Anyway, let us get this right, CY (and those in his group, I don’t really know what there called, so many groups these days) and his supporters are no better than the USC and its supporters. Habeen wanaagsan!

but one uses to make sure rules and regulations exist That is funny walaahi ! You’ve got to be kidding me right? How on this God’s green earth do you then expect anyone to believe that you do not support war lords :rolleyes: ? Hello brother, just a small reality check. CY (who unfortunately leads some of our brothers) is nothing but a crony, he does not make sure rules and regulations exist for if that was the case he would not of have over thrown the rightly elected leader- and this is his crime just inside the borders of Puntland, imagine the rest of Somalia! And even more disgusting is that this guy was the one of the first ****** to bring itoobiya into our country. Walaahi I can’t believe you believe such garbage (with all due respect). See this is why I loose hope in Somalia. Half of those who cry for peace are full of double standards, just like you. How the hell can you say what you have about the USC (which we all acknowledge, including those of us who are free of double standards ) and then completely free CY of the same crime, which he is also guilty of? We know why, but in future don’t insult our intelligence :mad: and say you don’t care for tribalism. In case you seem to be missing the point here, these two groups are two sides of the same evil coin. And now it’s clear why you wouldn’t denounce Guraads posts- it's because you think just like him. I was hoping you’d be somewhat more civilized and was past this nonsense which is destroying our homeland, but alas the jaws of it have clutched you also. Oh well, life goes on. Your not the first victim and i'm sure you won't be the last! Anyway clearly you and I are on opposite sides of the spectrum and would like to leave it at that. Peace

Sister, I am not speaking about Somaliweyn as such, rather what I was saying was that the establishment of an Islamic state is part of our faith and therefore the unification of Somalis is a stepping stone to the eventual unification of all the Muslims under the one leader. I hope that makes sense for I can’t possibly make it any clearer . Nationalism is against Islam, but who was talking about nationalism (Spadez) :confused: ? I was referring to the unarguable point that to further divide the Muslim lands (including Somalia) is against the teachings and doctrine of Islam because of the rationale that we are to work towards the eventual unification and formation of the one land. I seem to be repeating myself, but I believe that is only because the point I am making is so simple, it does not involve nationalism or any such issues rather what our diin establishes for us all to follow. Therefore, once again I ask you sister Yasemin (this time I hope I have made myself better understood) how you come to such a conclusion (with daleel of course, it is always part of Islam that we ask proof of everything). Jazaakum Allahu Khayr

Rahima, let me ask ya a quesion. Is there any Somali rebel that doesn't not get fundings from its tribe? Of course not. I realise that they would not have the power that they have without the support of their fellow tribesman, but this does not mean it is all of them, not even the majority, rather a small minority who are also plagued by this sickness. Walaashis, the USC is funded by its tribe na'mean. It is not like they work for Microsoft and have a part time job oppressing others na'mean. Their work is to kill and rob innocent civilians and occupy their homes while their tribesmen take care of the funding. Ma been baan sheegi? No you haven’t. But the sticking point is, do we all agree that it is not just the USC, but also includes CY and his cronies? If so, then we have reached a level of fairness, and if not then you can see why I questioned in the manner that I did.

And I think the notion that ‘Somali Weyn’ is in accordance with Islamic thinking is highly arguable How so sister? Is it not part of our faith that we work towards the establishment of the one Islamic State headed by a khalifah? Let us just put Somali politics aside for a second and concentrate on this fundamental issue of Islam. I personally would be interested how you came to the conclusion that the establishment of an Islamic state under the one leader is arguable. If, however you do agree that this is an important aspect of Islam, then you must agree that the concept of somaliweyn is part of it for it is a stepping stone to achieving the greater goal. To believe in the further division of already existing Islamic states is to contradict this critical point.

These days it seems almost every second female seems to be using these creams. In a way it makes me sick, however, conversely I feel sorry for them that they are not satisfied with the way Allah created them-pretty low self-esteem. Anyway, it will catch up with them sooner or later and in most cases you can tell. I don’t know about the Northern Hemisphere, but in here in Australia it gets quiet hot and it’s quiet evident on their faces when they are applying these creams. Their skin somehow looks plastic and has therefore pretty much defeated their whole purpose of trying to look more “beautiful”. It can become very ghastly.

I would like to respond to your comments concerning Guraad, if I may. He, like other PLers, remember the massacres of tens of thousands of family and relatives in Mogadishu, Kismayo, Galkacyo etc., in the early 1990's. Simply because of the tribe they belonged to they were killed, raped, robbed of their property and possessions and forced to escape to Kenya, Ethiopia and Puntland. I personally think it is very understand able for PLers like him, and myself, to have bad memories of their one time home and its warlords. Sure enough one can have bad memories but must this display into clear cut hatred (or even dislike if we wish to be so polite) for all those who just so happen by qadr to share a tribe with those who killed his relatives. No one is innocent in the civil war brother so let us not continue to play victims and continuously demonise a particular tribe- none of us here who have not committed any atrocities or given support are responsible for any horrendous crimes committed by those who just happen to share a qabiil with us. It’s about time we just acknowledge what happened and move on. Let’s take me as an example, my family was also targeted (my own father left the country for fear of his life, although for religious reasons) and my tribe at one time or another, do you see me pining over it? No of course not because it is history, all we can do is pray for the dead and pray that history does not repeat itself. If we continue to carry around this cuqdad, it is bound to repeat. On the other hand Puntland has welcomed all somalis without discrimination; even those from the clan of the USC mass murderers. Are you willing to acknowledge that so has Mogadishu. And please for the love of God don’t try and say no. I know of personally so many of my fathers friends who are from Puntland tribes who have established successful and prospering business in Xamar. They and their family live in peace and are reaping the rewards of what our capital has to offer. Nor did we take revenge against them in Galkacyo(when our forces captured it again), or anywhere else. Let us get real , we all know Gaalkacyo is always a boiling pot, the four main tribes always seem to take rounds in fighting one another :rolleyes: -therefore they are all continuing to take revenge. Brother, I should know, my family is from Gaalkacyo and no longer do I get surprised when I hear another battle broke out. May Allah guide them-hunger for power is killing them slowly.

My defence of mogadishu would be the same as for berbera, burco, bossosa… Great to hear, in light of that I retract my previous comments- it’s only fair that we look at things from a clear perspective. Bari, Wow. This from somone who hails from Ceel-Buur. Amazing. Are you forgetting that the USC (and other invaders from south mudug and galgaduud) presence in L. Shebelle and Jubba are illegal occupations? And they will, sooner or later, be evicted from those regions as was the case in Bay and Bokool. Couldn’t agree more, I mean heck with the idea that Somalia belongs to everyone, how silly of me to hold such idealistic views :rolleyes: . Look I understand and agree with your views of the USC, but I get the feeling your talking about more than a few hundred qaad addicts (please correct if i'm wrong ) who mind you do not represent anyone but themselves and least of all their fellow tribesman. You cannot call another Somali an illegal occupier so long as they are on Somali land (except for maybe if Somaliland gains independence). These arguments of some Somalis having more right than other Somalis to certain areas simply because of their tribe is absurd- if we asked my friend from Afmadow who the owners of Kismaayo are he would tell me they are and that those who are the cousins of Puntlanders are illegal occupiers. Silly don’t you think? . Sure enough certain tribes might be the owners of particular areas, but that does not make other illegal occupiers. That sort of deduction is just wrong. Furthermore, if indeed we agree that they (USC and their like) are menace to society then it applies (i.e. that they are indeed a menace) for every area including their places of origin and therefore should not be supporting their “deportation” back home but rather stopping their acts of evil. I mean honestly, these people don’t care for anyone but themselves, qabiil is a filthy cover up and taking them back home will only mean creating havoc elsewhere also. They should be rounded up like sheep, brought to trial and dealt with appropriately I personally would not want to raise my family in a place where tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children were massacred for being in a particular tribe. It happened once and it can happen again easily enough. . And tell me, which region of Somalia was safe from these massacres (aside from awdal probably)? The only difference is it occurred on a larger scale in Mogadishu, and all common sense dictates that it was because of the sheer number of residents Mogadishu had and the fact that they ranged from every tribe of Somalia. And good luck with wherever you wish to reside, I’m sure Mogadishu will not be lacking residents .

Rahima, I can see you are soccer fanatic. I wouldn't say fanatic, but who doesn't like to watch a good soccer match

This I realise is a sensitive issue but honesty must always be upheld. Islamically speaking, we are meant to work towards the establishment of an Islamic state where the Khalifa is the head of state. Therefore, the greater division of already existing Muslims lands (as in the case of Somalia and Indonesia- with ACEH fighting for independence) is in essence wrong- as far as I’m aware. Moreover, the Islamic stance on this issue is that we are meant to advice our leaders and try to keep unity (so long as the caqiida is the same-which it is for Somalis). I cannot speak for this particular shaykh (only Allah is aware of his intentions) but the idea of Muslim countries dividing further is wrong, we are to work towards an Islamic state. This is why I worry about my views (of let anyone who wants independence have it) considering it is not in accordance with Islamic thinking. Wa laahu aclum. Just so that I don’t get unnecessarily attacked, I would make the same remark if any other region were vowing for secession. Firstly, what place (if any) does or should politics have in a place of worship? Politics is always incorporated into Islam irrespective of place. We do not believe in the notion of separating the state and Masjid, give unto Caesar what is Caesars and give unto God what is Gods is a null and void notion in Islam. or should they be allowed to speak freely, like all other individuals? Of course not, they have a higher position and with that comes responsibility. Nevertheless, this and speaking the truth do not necessarily have to come at the cost of one another. However, it is the responsibility of Islamic speakers to be cautious about what they say and therefore convey any points in ways which will not be deemed anti-others of the same community. We want to create unity not more disunity. Anyway, I personally don’t believe we are at a time for Shaykhs to be making such comments, we have greater dilemmas to think of.

Mobb, Guraad is the staunchest pro-Somalia ally you got on this website na'mean. You see brother Mobb, this is exactly what I was referring to. Are you actually trying to tell me that guraad doesn’t not have something against the peoples of Somaliland and Mogadishu area? At least if he was anti-somaliland for the sincere reason that he longed for a united Somalia then that would be a somewhat understandable (although i would not agree) position, but what about Mogadishu? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if one is to make a comment which may seem anti-xamar (or anti anything) once or twice, then fine, it can be classified as an unbiased remark providing reasons are given. However when ones sole purpose (aside from being pro-puntland) is to defame Mogadishu then it begins to look a tad strange don’t you think? :confused: I’ve noticed a trend in Guraads posts and they are very anti-Mogadishu and its people (no second-guessing why ). Allow me to provide you with three examples, not only did he make a negative remark in the post about the reconstruction of xamar (which I thought would of have been a happy occasion just like the school built in LA), he then a few days later initiated a thread of the destruction of xamar and then tops it all off beautiful with the "Father : muqadishu will never be muqadishu" it was post. Beautiful aint it? Tell me this, do you not see the trend? Show me a few examples where our brother has made positive comments about Mogadishu or any city inhabited predominately by non-puntlanders. I don’t mind if one is anti this or that for it is their choice, but don’t try and make it seem otherwise and most importantly don’t destroy the good name of those who sincerely are pro-somaliweyn. Are you saying only Puntlanders attack others? Of course not, that would be just preposterous. Sumurai, It seems that you have missed the gist of my comments therefore allow me to clarify it for you. My points were not about Puntland in this post rather I was referring to certain individuals who have caused me some confusion. They claim pro-Somalia yet display actions of anything but- I was only questioning their intentions. Having said that, personally I am for whatever a particular region votes for, therefore if the people of puntland have voted to stay as part of the greater Somalia then great- let us get to work. However, if they were to vote for secession just like our brothers of the north then my stance is the same as that for Somaliland, good luck and may Allah be with you. I am pro-somaliweyn (as I’m sure are most people), but only if it means that everyone is 100% for it. I know most Somalis would love to see a Somalia where all Somalis (including those of NFD, Somali Galbeed and Djibouti) come under the one banner of fairness, equality and justice based on the notions of anti-qabiilism, pro-Somalism and pro-islam. And while we are it, I’m not sure if I understand you correctly :confused: - but are you trying to tell us that all the people of Mogadishu are anti-peace for the anarchy better suits their lifestyle? War lords I can comprehend, but what about the citizens?I will reserve any comment till I get a clarification , you can’t possibly hold such clearly aberrant opinions . Bari, Bandwagons are not my style brother . I tell it like I see it and like I’ve said I’m sure my track record proves I’m not what you wrongly accuse me of. Personally I respect your views and agree with you most of the time, therefore I prefer to leave it at that. Horn, It’s taking me time I know, but I will get it sooner or later .

This is how I do it:  Make the intention of making wudu and start out by saying Bismilaah  Hands - wash 3x - even in between fingers, and all around  Using right hand, take some water through your mouth & nose at the same time (3x)  Face (3x) using both hands  Right arm - little above your elbow (3x)  Left arm - again, above your elbow (3x)  Using both hands, massage your head as well as your ears (3x). This is done by moistening your hands and starting from the forehead thru your back of the head, back thru the forehead again, and splitting your left & right hands to each left & right ear respectively (hope that make sense)  Right Foot - start out with your little toe washing in between the toes and then the rest your foot above your ankle, including your heel.  Same thing with the Left foot - but start out with the Big Toe and wash in between the toes as well Exactly how I make wudu. Very nice explanation Kaafi

Traditionalist alxamdullilah . Just saddened i didn't score so high on it . I blame it on the ambiguity of some of the questions not to mention not enough choices .

Liqaye, Brother must you make the same mistake that those who you are disagreeing with have made? This is what I despise, why must everyone compromise what they claim to believe in when they disagree with others? Why, Why? :confused: Could it be just a case of true colours coming out ? Don’t categorise all puntlanders as the same, not all (not even most, a small minority) want to see the demise of Mogadishu (just like a small minority of those from xamar want to see the demise of Bossaso). In fact I’m sure most are praying for the good of Xamar and inshallah all our prayers will be answered (I can’t imagine living elsewhere, simply because of climate reasons but that’s another story). And Mobb deep, all Mogadishu needs are good citizens who are willing to work towards its betterment so that inshallah it will continue to take its position as the capital of Somalia. If this incorporates puntlanders, then let it be for they are Somalis, the same for somalilanders, reer waamo, reer somali galbeed etc but don’t ever think it’s success is solely based on Somalis from a particular area . It’s a collective effort brother, let us keep that in mind.

. Somalis and their soccer, everywhere you go they can't seem to get enough of it.

Yasemin, I too have noticed it, but let them sister, it is just a way for them to impose their maleness on us all (it may be that they have doubts about it ). Also, it’s one of the sad facets of our culture, I mean what do you expect from a culture which proverbs that a woman doesn’t have a tribe (which is what is important to them, therefore in essence she does not have an identity). Anyway, testosterone flying around can’t really hurt anyone, let along the strong somali women .

Yeah Guraad, and next your going to try and tell us you don’t give a rats *** (pardon my french) about tribalism and want a united Somalia :rolleyes: . See this is when I get irritated, the pro-somaliweyn camp is full of those who can’t seem to make up their mind. Are you really pro-somaliweyn or just anti-somaliland and using somaliweyn as a cover up? One day, some attack other somalis (somalilanders some days, and southern somalis the others) and at the same time have the audacity to have “GOD BLESS SOMALIA” as their tag. What a load of bull :rolleyes: , c’mon now you don’t have to be polite you know, just say what you feel. This is what forums are for . Even more amazing is that some don’t even comment when their fellow puntlanders make such abhorrently offensive remarks about other somalis, in fact some even cheer them on with some lool here and there. Honestly folks, if you expect us to believe you guys want the good for us all, you better start showing it because at the moment it’s looking like anything but that.

Great news, mashallah. Nasir, brother you are the example of what I believe Somalilanders are facing today. You see, to be a Somalilander does not mean that one has to be anti-Somalia. At the end of the day we are Muslims and the success of any Muslims whether Somalis, Europeans or Mongolians should be regarded by you as your success. We as Muslims should support others in that which is khayr not try to demonise everything. And anyway, didn’t you say that you guys wish to be left alone and non-Somalilanders should not meddle in somaliland affairs, I believe the same can apply to those from Somalia. I disagree with this concept to an extent, but don’t be applying double standards, play by the rules you wish for others to play by. Have a nice day!

Inaa lilaahi wa inaa ilayhi raajicuun. What's even sadder is that it is beginning to seem that our brethren died in vain for most have not taken heed of the lesson to be learnt here but rather continue to beat the drum of destruction. May Allah guide our people.

RAHIMA, Can I ask u this question? When u r saying I don't mind if Somaliland seprate from us since they don't want to be part of us ... don't u know (or you're happy about it) that they're not cutting somalia from their territories but rather they want to take three main other tripes territories? I must admit I do have some reservations with respect to the exact borders of Somaliland, but I’m not understanding what all the fanfare is about. I mean we are so willing to accept some lines drawn up for us by our white gaalo colonisers, why is it that we cannot make our own now and let the folks of Somaliland go on their merry way. I know I’m just been idealistic here (nothing can ever be that simple with Somalis), but it’s about free and fair elections (from an independent body, I find an approval rate of 99.95 % or something as such very hard to swallow) were held in these regions (Sool, Sanaag and Awdal) and the people allowed to vote for their destiny. If they so choose to be with Somaliland, we wish them luck. Nonetheless, yes I do have concerns about this problem (as any person who is not from Somaliland would), but my point was about the general idea. Now, please let’s begin to discuss that which will be constructive to Somalia and move on from Somaliland. Our problems are far greater right now.

Gotta disagree with you there Lander, Oodweyne doesn't tell the story like it is, he does a George Bush Jr. impersonation of the WMD saga. That is not spicing up, it is plain fabrication half the time. But hey it's all good, it seems to be a deep rooted Somali trait, many display it.

King, Walaal, as I’ve said in another post, currently Somalis are in bad shape when it comes to such issues. Nowadays it is best that one does not make such generalising comments because it is very offensive. It is sad that cities have become labelled with tribe names, but it is the reality. If you notice now, people who ar afraid to ask you your tribal identity will ask you where in Somalia you hail from in the hope they can narrow the field down somewhat. Inshallah this shall be changed in the near future. Also, Xamar like some other Somali cities (namely Bossasso and Hargeysa) has many hatters and therefore you should do not believe everything that is reported, take it all with a grain of salt. As LSK said, some Somali websites (and people) are nothing more than propaganda machines for their respective agendas and therefore have set out on the mission of slandering those who hold opposing views. Sure enough, evil happens, but let us keep it in perspective and also look at the positives. Often enough people make the mistake of defaming the good name of the majority of the people who live in these cities- that in my books is wrong, it is tribalism masqueraded to appear to be constructive criticism. Rahima , very simple i hear more horrible stories from Mogadishu then in any other part of Somalia! if it is wrong then tell us. No it is not wrong, but I believe that the reason is not that the people of Mogadishu somehow are more violent than the rest of our people. Personally I believe the reasons are many, generally the larger the city the greater the crime rate (unfortunately it is excessive in Somalia) and also Xamar tends to have more of the media coverage than other Somali cities. These may be poor attempts to give a reason, but I’m unequivocally sure that it is not because the people of Xamar are savages- that I know to be true.

and i have been saying every time , that the only way we somalis can become clean is, if we do the right thing, and to porsecute and excute any one who have committed ,killings, rape,looting,and even supported no matter what tribe they belong Bravo, good to hear. I hope that really applies across the spectrum irrespective of tribe. Brother, you seem to be displaying colours of contradiction here. On the one hand, you seem anti-tribalism yet on the hand when you call ALL the good folk of Mogadishu savages because of a few, you tend to change. I’m a bit confused here :confused: , please explain this to me. Am I missing something here?

Bari, Abu Ammar and Horn, Brothers, just a quick sincere question. Why on earth do you guys care about whether or not Somaliland wants to secede :confused: ? Why not just accept and move on with rebuilding what we have left? Maybe your energies would be best used on that. Personally I see no point in wasting so much effort on folks that say to you in bold writing, WE DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF YOU. I mean, I sort of think it’s embarrassing, it’s like begging someone to be your friend when they keep pushing you away. They have voted and with that, we say good luck to our brothers. Let us move on.