<cite> @Allyourbase said:</cite> How is her choosing not to believe in Islam causing harm exactly? Elaborate please, because you are not making any sense. The fact that her family chose to cut ties with their own daughter, just because she chose not to believe in the religion of her parents speaks volumes of the intolerant nature of Islam. Its disgusting. You wouldn't understand because you yourself are participating in Islamaphobia. I would normally say read up on it, look into how it's perpetuated and spread and then provide you with examples of how it projects into real life harm- but I'm certain from your response that you are very familiar with all that. The woman is not just an apostate, she is an apostate who has set out to cause problems for those of her former religion. If she stayed in her little world and left Islam I'd just think she was a fool, but the fact she has taken this action proves this woman has a greater goal, let's see what it is. With regards to her family, it's interesting that we seem to assume that they did not try with her. As for cutting the ties of kinship, if the harm is greater than any good that could be achieved they must cut her out- for all we know she was spewing her propaganda to the more impressionable members of the family.

Her family has every right to disown her. Anyhow, this article or this womans decision to speak publicly has nothing to do with choice. Articles such as these are designed to heighten the Islamaphobia that already exists. People like this woman often have an ulterior agenda, we shall see in years to come if hers are aligned with those of the other Somali atheist who was a proud native informant- Ayan Hirsi. Live and let live assumes that her actions do not cause any harm- I think we can all agree that she is causing harm.

Two thumbs up from me. Good job admin.

STOIC;984789 wrote: I hope he finds him. He has good things to say about his friend.The name thing can be confusing. Somalis have Sharci name and real name. Case example; Yours truly.It was hard to explain to my college friends why my wedding invites had a different name. facepalm! Such is the world of a Nomad Or like me, why my father, mother and I all have different surnames. The cadaan folks never got it.

Che -Guevara;984886 wrote: They fight over peanuts, very sad business, but there is new generation in the making. Hopefully a new generation with different views and new ideas. It's a tough business dealing with our people, especially when it comes to politics.

Che -Guevara;984882 wrote: What does this get to do with Somaliland? I'm confused also.

No one in Australia has really gotten that far yet,lol but everything here is a family affair. Folks will support or oppose you based on lineage. Perhaps they will forsake that if they actually make it. Anyhow, ilaahay ha u fududeeyo.

Of course living half way across the world in Australia i would know who Abdi Warsame is and what he stands for. Similarly, i guess I'm supposed to know who he is on SOL- although I can now see why some are loosing their heads, illeen he is our resident politician (the original). Che, I'm not familiar with the American system, but here in Australia we have a billion and one Somali organisations with some of their leaders vying for political positions. Most are dormant but the few active ones (bar a few religious ones) only serve the interests of their qaraabo- hence my comment.

Let's hope he benefits all Somalis and not just the qaraabo.

We need a thumbs up emoticon like on FB. Thumbs up to this.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable- i guess racism & disrespect of women are within the parameters of good manners then. Keep frothing boys.

Khayr & Blessed, I think it may have something to do with the fact that Oz is a welfare state- a very generous one. Will update you both with the full info once i discover it.

Hawdian;983246 wrote: Adee just because you disagree with Salax view doesnt not mean you need to go for personal attack. Instead try to make your argument if you read the article or iska aamusa. This thread is going way off line so people stick to the subject being discussed or zip it. waad mahadsantiin . Sit down and drink some water. You boys are exhausting yourselves for nothing. No sister cares what you think. They will marry who they wish and their children will go back home and identify with it as their homeland. Personal ku lahaa- that ain't personal son, just making a point that you boys need to MOVE ON.

Here in Australia, the Somalis are buying homes with cash. Half a million dollar homes, how? Trying to figure it out.

^ She dumped you for the white dude didn't she? That's what this is all about isn't it? Look- ilaahay kuu ma qorin, be patient and the right one will come along.

*Ibtisam;982984 wrote: It already happens and those kids freely roam Somaliland while you guys theories and foam at the mouth in the west. Bacaaaaaaaac ya wax iindiin weydinaya. looool, let them have their seizures, they'll stop eventually when they see the reality.

dhugfe;982907 wrote: the rent in option 1 is not interest, the thing is, both you and the bank own the equity to the house based on the proportion of your down payment. for example if you put 20% down, your equity is 20% and the bank's 80%. the payment you make are actually two payment. in the first one, you pay rent for living in the home the whole home freely without any interference from the bank (the co owner); an easement. on the second payment you buy the equity owned by the bank over time, increasing your equity and decreasing that of bank. the most critical moment here is, the fact that, unlike interest based mortgages, both you and the bank share what ever risk/profits that might come with the home. For instance if the home's value plummets, you only owe whatever your equity on the home was on that day and the bank shoulders the rest. That is huge, and if I am not mistaken, it is what makes it halal. Exactly, that is how it should be but as i asked above, do the "Islamic" banks work that way? I haven't seen any that do.

guleed_ali;982905 wrote: "That is because they say: Trade is just like usury; whereas Allah permitteth trading and forbiddeth usury" 2:275 Sister Rahima you don't want to be like those people so I suggest you be very careful in how you talk. Banks "lend" you money and make money based on the time value of that money (interest rate). Whereas an Islamic bank actually purchases the home and resells it to you with a prescribed rental rate and a declining principal ending in ownership. The two may be similar but in fact they are not and that is what Allah refers to in Surat Al Baqarrah. May Allah forgive us for our sins (Allahuma Ameen). No need to warn me- you misunderstood what i was trying to get across. I'm not saying that Islamic banking (as it should be) is the same as the interest based baking system. What i was saying is that many of the so called Islamic banks aren't really any different from the riba based banks. Whilst what you describe is an element of the correct Islamic system, it must be coupled with shared risk and gain, meaning that if all of a sudden house prices fall and you wish to sell up for whatever reason, the bank is entitled to only their share of the final sale price, and not the paying out of what was left originally. Similarly, if you wish to sell when the house price has increased, the bank is entitled to their share of the profit as the rent is simply their right to you living in the part of the house they own. Now, the question is, do the current "Islamic" banks work that way?

Khayr;982746 wrote: ^ I don't get your point. If it is a rant, then I get it cause rants have no points! I didn't expect that you would see your own hypocrisy. Get a hobby boys and stop this obsession with who Somali women choose to marry- it isn't about you.

^ The problem with Islamic banking these days is that whilst in principle they appear to be halal, when you get down to the nitty gritty detail you find that there really isn’t much difference between them and the interest based banks. With the two options you described, option 2 is only halal if the bank owned the property before you even approached them and option 1 is often fudged by these banks when it comes to the calculations where you realise that they just replace interest with rent. In saying that though- I too believe that wanting to move away does not mean that we shouldn’t invest in property if you can find a halal way. The way I see it is, even if I move (which I plan to inshallah), I can always rent out my house.

*Ibtisam;982653 wrote: I find Said Rage hypocritical in this topic- he left his Somali wife and kids for a blond, blue eyed women- and his Somali wife's family paid for HIS wedding when he was a broke student. On reflection I am sure the family regret being so nice to him. I guess hypocrisy is the flavour of the month with Somali men. There seems to be more Somali men who are married to non-Somali women than the other way round, yet so many on SOL froth at the mouth over a sisters right to choose whilst choosing to ignore the actions of the 'brothers'. Let's call a spade a spade boys: whilst it is generally not the reason that a small number of Somali women choose to marry ajanabi men, as a whole Somali men lag behind Somali women and deserve the criticism levelled at them. Stop deflecting, stop whining, pick up your macawiisyo and get your act together.

Che -Guevara;981937 wrote: Salaax. You managed to outdo yourself somehow. I'm still amazed at how he managed to convince himself that the construction of a helicopter in SL is evidence of the supposed low IQ of southerners. I think he just shot himself in the foot with that one.

As long as he's Muslim what is the problem? They look good together. Safferz- perhaps the brothers are upset because a beautiful sister slipped between their fingers? Ignore their calaacal.

N.O.R.F;981013 wrote: Some of the guys I kicked ball with in Dubai are from there. Good bunch. No battle scars? I also find that they can be very forceful/passionate.

Mad_Mullah;980962 wrote: The story of Wahhabism is spread by 1. Christians. 2. Sufis/Shi3is and 3. Secularists. Tell them if they don't like to go F off to Lebanon and enjoy their belly dancers there. Mad Mullah- you're a very strange character- a qabiil obsessed salafi that has issues with women. You leave me confused. I find myself agreeing with you in one post and the very next i want to throw my shaah at you.