Princess sexy, I agree with you. There's nothing better than abstinence in fighting STDs and whatnot, and yeah, Uganda is a good example. But completely banning condoms? I don't kno if thats going to solve any problems as such. They shouldn't be available to kids of course, and they shouldn't be forced on everyone as they are in the UK, but I think they should be available for those few who are not interested in abstinence and who would engage in sex with or without it. Because, lets face, those are the sort of people who are more likely to infect their partners. For their sake and for ours, they should have access to condoms, when they need it.

Thas lovely Hibo...thanks.

Shaqsii, My dear, I have come to the conclusion that the organisers and singers of those events JUST DONT GIVE A TOSS about anybody but themselves. They make huge amounts of money from ruwaayadaha, laakiin do they give a shit whether their customers are abused or not? Nope they dont. I have even been told that the organisers, themselves request the security to be extra rough... to 'keep the Somalis in line'. And true...why should they care? They get what they came for, the money. And Somalida? Its important for them to go to a 'Somali' event, however traumatic it may end up being. Which is very sad, because we should get a good deal for the exorbitant prices we are charged. But we are not willing to complain or demand changes or even boycott these events? No. So there's really no reason for the organisers to change the way they do things, is there? I went to a Hibo Nuura, who happens to be one of my most favourite Somali singers, concert earlier this summer and you couldn't imagine how much I was looking forward to seeing her perform and how disappointed I was afterwards. For one, there were several other singers performing with her, so I didnt expect any non-Somali music to be played there. The thingy started at 10pm and RnB/Hip-Hop was played until the wee hours of the morning because the singers (all of them would you believe it?) didnt bother showing up until after 1am. Then Hibo Nuura performed two songs and after that, I had to listen to fanaaniinta aroos walaba ka heesta aan kun iyo afar boqoloo jeer hore u daawaday. And the star who's night it was? The woman I went there to see dib danbaba loo ma arkin. I was :eek: and then :mad: only to end up for the rest of the night. That was the last ruwaayad ever for me. I may be a Somali music freak, but there's only so much crap I'm willing to take... And just to make sure that I was never tempted again, I made my mother, sisters and friends swear on the Qur'an, that they would slap me silly should I ever mention going to one of those thingies, ever gain! Haygu soo hadal qaadina..ciilka weli dadkaa iga haya ayeydaan garaneyn.

LoL...funny.

Hibo... Aight...sorry to butt in.

Originally posted by nuune: i can't wait to congratulate lady Barwaaqo on her wedding! Nuune, LoL...Make yourself comfy, I have a feelin u'll be waiting for some time.

^^ that will be much appreciated darling. I'm allergic to testosterone (sp?) u see...any hint of it and I get the vapors.

Tweety, are you a mind reader? LoL...I was thinking of posting something about this since reading some articles about it the other day. A ploy? I think it's a little more than that. I'm not sure about how involved women are in the political decision-making process, but they have been active agents of change in the last decade where peace-building is concerned. Women were involved extensively in campaigning for peace in Somaliland, Puntland and other parts of Somalia. I gotta rush now but below are a couple of extracts from a 2003 International Alert report....its messy so decode it pls until I can sort it out 4 u lot. Box 14: Women in peace negotiations in Somaliland In May 1991 the north-west region seceded from Somalia to form the independent Republic of Somaliland. The initial euphoria of independence was shattered by the outbreak of violent fighting between sub-clans in Burao in January 1992 and in Berbera in March 1992. Many of those caught up in this fighting had only just arrived in Somaliland, having endured terrifying journeys as they fled from the horror of the inter-clan conflict in southern Somalia. This violent conflict was brought to an end in October 1992 through a political settlement and peace conference, held in the town of Sheik, brokered by the Somaliland elders. What is seldom documented is the role women played in bringing an end to the conflicts, promoting the Sheik conference, and their role in subsequent peace processes in Somaliland. A woman peace activist remembers: About 300 of us came to Burao and we tied white bands around our heads – white symbolises anger or sorrow in Somali culture – and we hurriedly assembled between the two fighting groups. Then we marched up and down between the two groups demonstrating and singing moving buranbuur (women’s poems or songs) urging the fighters to remember the bad times they and their families had been through. As we did this the men stopped firing. The fighters were shamed by our sorrowful songs. What really made the fighters throw down their weapons was the wailing and crying songs sung by the women as we ran to and fro between the two units until a ceasefire was achieved. When further violence broke out later in the year, hundreds of women with banners and slogans marched together in protest to the presidency and parliament building urging men to stop the war and solve the disputes peacefully. The elders agreed but dragged their feet. After determined pressure from the women the Sheik peace conference was arranged for October 1992. In accordance with custom, women were not present as participants or mediators but as one man put it ‘they were the wind behind the peace conference – they mobilised the elders, prepared the venue, the food, and encouraged the participants to keep going until the final peace accord was reached’. The Sheik conference paved the way for a national conference in Boroma the following year. Here, 10 women, representing two women’s organisations (Somaliland Women’s Development Association and Somaliland Women’s Association) participated, after petitioning forced the conference delegates, all of them men, to accept their presence. However, none of the women representatives were allowed voting rights. Although excluded from formal decision-making the women were allowed to present their views in front of the delegates and they worked hard to ensure that they successfully influenced the process and outcomes of the conference. Through speeches, pamphlets, songs and women’s poems, many specially created for the occasion, the women representatives advocated and lobbied to persuade their male clan representatives of the need to reconcile their major differences with the other clans, for the sake of the country. The following quote concerns how women organised themselves to get the 25 seats on the TNG in SOMALIA. … People fight because of the clans and they wanted to reconcile according to their clan, and every clan wants to get a share. We as women refuse to rally behind the clan, and said … there’s no role according to traditional clan structure, women have no role. So we said why don’t we form our own clan which is the women’s clan?... And then we lobbied to get one clan, and we really succeeded to have our own clan. [sHARING KNOW-HOW PROJECT INTERVIEW WITH ZAKIA ALIM, MARCH 2001] Judy El-Bushra, 2003, WOMEN BUILDING PEACE: Sharing know-how, pp 44, Internation Alert. PS: did anyone else know that buraanbur was used as a tool in conflict resolution? I'm well impressed I have to say, I have always only thought of Somali womenn as victims and only victims. But they are not...they know how to fight back and they have...

u r not u selfish prick! Hibo, That's was uncalled for sis. I dont think Rudy deserved it. Lets not get personal now... Dawaco, When did you get so wise darling? That was well said. Underdog Come on now, Bee, That's a SERIOUS allegation. If I hated you ladies I wouldn't spend all this time here...so go see shayma about that chill pill. *waves white flag and chill pill* Owight owight...since Shayma was nice enough to share her some of her pills with me, I shall take your word for it.

LooooL @ "some one is tryin to slap ur ear but keeps missing". I think there may be something to Ibn Sina a.k.a Avicenna's "mother-calling syndrome". Like the rest of you, I constantly hear my name being called, when nobody is home or when everyone is sleeping. Walaahi, its crazy...sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking my mum is calling me, only to be told to "shut up and go to sleep" by the rest of the household when I start screaming "WHAT IS IT FOR GOD'S SAKE?!!" down the stairs at 2am. It could be Jinn I suppose, but in my case I think the blame probably lies more with my mum's irritating habit of screeching my name up the stairs every minute of the day. I'm this close to changing the damn thing by deed poll.

Bugger! What was the point of getting me excited then? :mad:

"I dont think France or any other country in Europe want to start another bloody religous war." Not overtly, no. Laakiin wax weyn ayaa socda, ey ka mid tahay a sustained media propoganda to incite Islamaphobia within the population. Walaalkiis Muslims maanta aad ayaa loogu kacsan yahay, and despite what government heads say, their actions tell a different story. Meel baan ka akhriyayey the other day that a ridiculous number of Muslim males were being held in American, British, and other European Jails without any charges, for an indeterminate time. They dont have access to the evidence against them, they cant even talk to their lawyers...because they are being held on the suspicion that they may be terrorists or connected to terrorists. Apparently the only qualification a terrorist needs is to be a muslim. This doesn't happen to anybody else...I dont know what u call it, but I call whats happening today a 'war'.

^^ Oh yes please! Do tell...

LoL...I'm sure he would get that with just one wife.

"Bee, Dictionary.com translates Chauvinist as 1: a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind 2: an extreme bellicose nationalist [syn: jingoist, jingo, flag-waver, hundred-percenter]" LoL...oh ok. I used the wrong word. How about a 'misogynist'? Is that a better one? Jokes...but u know what UD?...I do believe you have serious issues with Somali women. That's my impression from most of your posts.

CK... I wish I could I advise you, but I wouldn't know what to do in that sort of situation either. Markaa, I'm just gonna wish you luck...I hope it works out best for you.

*shakes head at Rudy* Baashi, You are quite right. It is advisable to always be vigilant in order not to put yourself in a regrettable situation. That's just plain common sense. What concerns me however, is the attitude within the Somali community that the woman is always responsible for whatever fate befalls her. When a young woman is brutalised, she isnt treated as the victim, but as the perpetrator. She provoked him, she was walking alone, she was at home by herself, she shouldn't have been shopping then or there...whatever her circumstances, she bears the brunt everytime. And what happens to the rapist? He's comforted, told he didnt do anything wrong...its her fault, she drove him to it, and if it looks like he may actually get convicted for his crime, he gets a free, all expenses paid trip back to the home country. A job well done. Lovely society we live in. now for u british lady Bee, u r right, and remember what i said on top, is that still it is the man's fault, but i said who provoked it ok. don't quote my things out of proportion ok. if u r saying men are animal, and women always fall for them, then women should be less than man. QQ, There's no name-calling from my side dear. I didn't say men are animals, on the contrary, I believe its you who did the male gender a dis-service by using that silly "men are weak" line. I dont believe men are weak or that they are all capable of rape, just an animalistic minority who shouldn't be given the chance to tar the rest of the population.

LoL... Would be interesting to know why he did it. Whats in it for him I wonder?

I can see what most ppl are talking about. Models usually aren't classically beautiful, but they are always unusually striking with long perfect bodies (i.e nice hangers for clothes). These girls are very pretty in a normal way. I dont see any modelling potential, looks-wise.

LooooL @ ^^...poor woman! Che and tweety...well put.

Basically, Islam is seen as the single biggest threat to Europe today by the Europeans. Too many damn Muslim immigrants for their liking, corrupting their free secular way of life and its about time they took care of the problem. :rolleyes: Worrying thing is that this ban is probably just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure things will get a lot worse for European Muslims. I dare say we'll prevail tho I'A...

Originally posted by Qac Qaac: I just wanna play, a devil's advocat here and say, let's say it is 10pm at night, there is a homeless guy who always sleeps in the park late at night, and there is this woman who is running around to be fit, with short stuff, and tight shirt, and the man let her go the first 2 nights, but the third night he couldn't take it, he wanted to get that woman, and he raped her, i know it is the man who did the act, BUT R U SAYING THAT WOMAN DIDN'T PROVOKED IT, u can't walk around half naked infornt of men, all the time and tease them like this, and expect that no one will touch you, that is why woman wear hijab, hello. There's no excuse whatsoever for the act of rape. Ever. Furthermore, using the "Men are weak" line is just repulsive (whether your playing devil's advocate or not). The difference between humans and animals, is the very fact that humans can think and can control themselves, and that ultimately, each and everyone of us is responsible for our actions (except for certain ppl). So what does the above post imply? That men are no better than barnyard animals in controlling their desires? That they are not accountable for their actions? Because they were provoked by the woman! Yeah...if only I could use the same excuse for committing murder. :rolleyes: Its this mentality that plays a big role in condoning sick crimes such as rape. "Oh yeah, the woman was asking for it". What if she wasnt wearing a short skirt and running around a dark park as you put it? What's the excuse then? The fact that she's alive and a female? What about the high level of rapes in Muslim countries where wearing the hijab is mandatory?? Yeah...it happens there too. I would like to hear what your take on that is....other than denial. It makes me feel physically ill when scenarios, such as the above one, are painted as some sort of justification for such horrendously evil acts. Acuudu bilaah. Excuse me, while I go throw up my lunch.

Kaalaya, is it me or is Underdog getting more chauvanistic by the day? Dang!..UD, dee maalin dhow waxaad bilaabi doontaa inaad budh madaxa kala dhacdo hablaha aad attentionkooda dooneysid...as your neanderthal cousins used to back in the day. Ha na soo marin. :rolleyes:

Reer Minnie.... Gediid...that was beautiful. Caakifah...guur wacan once again.

WoW...Stylishly written piece. Fantastic CM