^ Thanks.

Rudy, Grow up, will you? :rolleyes: Geel-Jire, Aren't you making mountains out of a mole-hill? There isn't one tiny reason why she should have done anything differently to what she did. "Because I'm Somali" kulahaa. Really. Somebody should inform him Somali rapists exist too [see Northerner's "Somali London" thread].

Originally posted by Haddad: Not much. We just need to be more Islamic, and less Western or liberal. It's being Western or liberal that promotes being racist. That old song. Somalis were racist long before they stepped on to Western Soil, so please change the record for once. You've played it ad nauseam.

Dawoco, LoL...the lady doth protest too much? But your right, being romantic has pretty much become synonymous with being clichéd. Thumbs down. Intuition, You big sap! Shame on you. :mad: Originally posted by WILDCAT : My definition of romance? If I don't get whipped to within an inch of my life, personally iimaba baxdo Oh, how I miss Wildy!

Originally posted by Psycho_Sue: Zephyrine & General duke (This guy is the highest posting nomad) And how did you come up with that match? :mad: Femme fatale (You know you’re interested! Don’t deny it ) & Underdog Kerchinggggggg! Spot on...I completely agree with you there. The sparks would burn this place down. The rest of the matches are so-so. I wouldn't quit my day job if I were you.

Ten more minutes, just ten more minutes....

By STOIC: But let us pretend this day i suspected you wanted to break your freinds leg.Could your freind ever press charges against you just because you had the intention to break his leg?.An attempt to commit a crime is an enedervour to accomplish it (we all agree that ), carried beyond mere preparation, but failing short of execution of the ultimate design , in any part of it will not proove of you commiting the crime.Crime requires an overt act to happen. Your scenario has nothing to do with this case. The crime this man was convicted of is 'ATTEMPTED RAPE'. Now, although attempted rape isnt actual rape, it is still a crime. Much like 'attempted murder'. The intention in both is as bad as the execution of the act. Make sense?

Kruella, How are you dear? So what if women look haggard and old, who cares if you lose sleep and drag grocery bags with four chipmunks in tow. At least you can say you did it for your family rather than put all that effort into a company or a job where you can’t reap the long term benefits and the CEO is enriched by your “grand†efforts. I prefer to be the unpaid home-based CEO who in tattered clothes, wrinkled face and hunchback, smiles and sees her kids happy, well fed and well educated by mommy dearest Well, of course, bringing up happy, well-fed and well-educated children is a reward on its own. And despite all the hardship, most women put in a lot of sacrifices to make that happen (sacrifices that may not be necessary if the man helped out more). But at the end of the day, it is still a personal choice and will depend on the determination and strength of the woman in question. And as I said, some women are more suited to it than others. Its not a one-shoe-fits-whole-gender thing and shoudn't be expected to be.

Baashi, Hello! I am not painting a gloomy picture for anyone, what I wrote is what I have noticed in my everyday interactions with people. I'm also not trying to influence anyone. I'm sure any woman who decides to become a housewife feels it is the right thing for her, so I'm not going to stand in her way. I would rather wish her luck. However, having said that, I don't exactly feel comfortable with the 'being a housewife is the greatest thing that can happen to you' campaign. It isnt always the greatest thing, or even a good thing for that matter. But I'm sure everyone makes their own observations and reaches their own conclusions in regard to issues like these. Maybe I should have clearly stated it as my sole opinion and nothing else. I agree with you in that it is most unfortunate that I only ever seem to see the negative aspects of the Somali marriage/family model. Sadly, I don't ever remember seeing an interaction between a husband and wife or a mother and her children and thinking "thats what I want my husband to be like" Or "This is how I want my family to be like". No, my first instinct is always to recoil and fervently thank Allah that its not me in that position, followed by a vow never to fall for the fairy tale, because thats exactly what the supportive/happy family-image you hold is to me...a fairy tale. A big fat myth! But I hate to generalise. I know this is a big world, and millions of ppl are happily married and content with their families. Similarly, I don't know much about other Muslim cultures, so I cant really comment on them (although the family is very important in Islam and most people try to make it work. I always enjoy watching those news clips of Arab families shopping or eating out in those huge UAE malls - heartwarming). But when it comes to the Somali community, yes I do have huge reservations, (although I don't want to generalise here either: I know we are scattered all over the world and we all interact differently with our families, so it isnt the same for all across the board) and no, it isnt because I dislike everything Somali. Its because the Somali model of married/family life leaves a lot to be desired in its current format. Its because I know I won't be fulfilled by the type of union that exists today in our community. Happy families do exist. I'm sure they do. And happy housewives exist too. I just have yet to see them.

Of course I would be moved by such injustice...if it was injustice. But, I would rather feel safe when walking through those underground subways in E & C and other areas.

LoL MODESTY! Erm..if my parents think he is a 'loser', he most definitely IS a loser. No two ways about it.

Baashi! Hello dear, That's an enticing picture you paint. I'm sure thats the exact fantasy most young women have when they think of having their own 'family', all those movie-type moments of sharing and caring and blissful happiness. But does the reality measure up? From what I have observed, the answer would be a resounding NO! The above scenario is just one of the many ways girls are lured into that particular trap. And after the honeymoon period is over? They are likely to find themselves in the middle of it all without much help or input from that previously enchanting 'tiger'. Of course by then its too late because she's hardly likely to leave her child/ren, is she? She will just have to resign herself to her fate. You just need to walk down the street to see all the lone, harrassed-looking somali women pushing prams loaded with shopping bags with two/three other kids hanging off their skirts. I hardly ever see the man doing the shopping with his family...and on the rare occasions that I do see a young family doing things together, I am always (gladly) surprised. But then, why should something as simple as that be such a surprise? Really? I have always wondered why when men get married wey dhalaalaan, but when women get hitched they lose their sparkle and start looking haggard. Its probably because of this 'housewife' business. Like I said, no thank you.

Ofleh, Thanks for the clarification. I get it.

Is a housewife unemployed? No. Being a housewife is a twenty-four hour job with no thanks, no gratitude, no recognition and no pay. So, NO she isn't unemployed, she's OVER-EMPLOYED. A regular employee goes home at the end of the day...there no such thing for a housewife. When does she get a break? When does she take annual leave? When does she have anytime for herself? Oh and she can't resign either...not if she is a mother. She is trully trapped...for life. I suppose there are some benefits to being a housewife, and I suppose some women are more suited to it than others. Also, if there is a strong support system in place within the household, it could potentially be a good job. However, from what I have seen, it smacks of slave-labour. The only things missing, in fact, seem to be the metal shackles. I would rather take the easy path and be a regular employee, with regular hours, a consistent paycheck, positive feedback and recognition for a job well-done and great opportunities for promotions and further training. Thank you. :cool:

What's your point, Ofleh?

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ You rampant feminists will stop at nothing! Have you no heart? The accused man is your countryman. Does that not bother you? Don’t you think it’s unfair? How dare you reduce such a grave case to a silly comparison with storms and teacups? I don’t make it a habit to insult those I disagree with, but if I ever were to make an exception, I would have called you a sell-out, Zephyrine It's only words on a screen, words on a screen! PS: NG, I believe the drawing of big pictures is called for in here.

Originally posted by underdog: Zeph, so you're saying if your girlfriend is seeing a guy you know fools around and has a couple of illegitimate kids, no need to tell her, she'll find out soon enough....right? If I know what sort of a person he is, she probably knows it too. So why should I bother myself? She's obviously with him for a reason.

NG, Nothing but a storm in a teacup, dear.

UD It isnt advisable to interfere in people's lives/relationships...that is unless they are in mortal danger (i.e. he/she is dating a serial killer). Adulthood is about figuring things out for urself - making mistakes and learning from them.

^ Or a hearty drinking session.

- I have a step-by-step guide on how to make my perfect cup of tea stuck on the kitchen cabinets both at home and at work. - I also can't help sniffing at petrol fumes. And new shoes. And babies.

CCTV traps mystery woman's attacker By Joshua Rozenberg, Legal Editor The Telegraph (Filed: 15/06/2005) A man who was filmed by security cameras assaulting a woman is thought to be the first person in England to be convicted of a rape attack on a victim who has not been found. Farhan Osman yesterday pleaded guilty to the attempted rape of " an unknown person " after he was caught on CCTV attacking a young woman. The 27-year-old was seen by security guards as he forced her to the ground. Footage showed her shouting into the camera for help as Osman tried to rape her. He was interrupted by a passer-by, allowing the woman to jump up, grab her rucksack and run away. Neither the passer-by nor the victim has been found. Osman, an asylum-seeker who came from Somalia about two years ago, was arrested minutes later. The attack happened at 4.30am on March 28 this year in the tunnel under the Elephant and Castle roundabout in south London. Sentencing was adjourned at Inner London Crown Court for a psychiatric report. Source A most excellent result. Victims no longer need to press charges against their attackers for the police to take action. A welcome change in the law, definitely.

^ Bored, eh? BTW...did u see yesterday's Metro headline? about the Somali guy convicted of attempted rape although the police never found his victim? Em..lemme see if I can find an article.

It is on these sorts of occasions that it becomes clear just how gullible and obtuse we are (as a society). *Looks more closely at the images* WTF! Femme? Is that you? :eek:

"The human rights of women, and young persons as in this case, call for firm stand to all those who think that some human beings are better than others,’’ the judge said as he dismissed the appeal. Absolutely. Still, I feel sorry for him. The punishment far outweighs the crime. Its not fair.