*Shock* My dear CW is being tag-teamed? :eek: Ma dhici karto!

Legend, Kat and Bilan: Ditto. I'm so sick and tired of this finger wagging as well. It's nothing but a time-wasting measure. Yeniceri: "Its quite simple: either don't get married or marry outside the race. I think there's waay too many Somali chicks around anyway, so you don't be missed dear." Ah..if only you knew of my Spinsterhood aspirations! *Sigh* I tell you, if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would definitely remain unmarried. In the meantime, however, the mortgage requires two incomes. :mad: :mad: Xoogsade, If your point is that most women aren't liberated, whether they are Western or Eastern, then I agree with you. If you're also saying that there are good and bad aspects to both cultures (in the most general meaning of the word), then I would agree as well. But if you mean to make out that the only rights and freedoms that women in the West have achieved is the right to wear less clothes and swim in the gutters, then I would have to disagree. There is abuse, bias, bigotry and all kinds of threats against women in the west. Sadly but truthfully, women are as good as they look only. The main focus is on their body regardless of whatever personal successes she has achieved in life. This exists in Eastern countries as well. The only difference is that, whereby in some countries the obsession is with displaying women's bodies, in other countries it's focused on the garments that adorn them. One side go out of their way to reveal, the other side go out of their way to taint and hide. The underlining issue in both is CONTROL. Controlling their perceptions, their values, their confidence, their economic power. if it is emancipation and being free from the bondage of mankind, muslim women already have the means to extricate themselves from unpleasant situations. They do not need the approval of a man, the acceptance of society or people telling them they look good and are successful for them to feel worthy of something. This again works both ways. Muslim women may have the means to 'extricate themselves from unpleasant situations' in theory, however in practice those means fail to materialise. The one factor that makes a real difference to Western women is opportunities. If the woman is educated and has the determination to succeed, she has the potential to go far. The Muslim woman's biggest and most difficult obstacle is her gender. Regardless of how highly educated or skillful she is, the very fact that she is a woman, will close doors to her. The Muslim woman is not defined by her outlook, her achievements, her intellect or her accolades, but rather by what garments she wears or whether she's married or not. This of course doesn't mean that she would get more opportunities if she were dressed in the 'accepted way' and was happily married on top of all her other accomplishments. Now, what chance does the average Muslim woman have of extricating herself from any situation? There are no mechanisms in place to protect the Muslim woman's rights and those women that dare fight for them are victimised and villified. Some women are oppressed and repressed, others are exploited and enslaved. The only truly liberated women are those rich enough never to rely on anyone. After all, the true definition of liberation is independence and self-sufficiency, is it not? A woman is better served to love like a woman, to respect herself as a woman and celebrate her femininity. The problem is the death of womanhood in the psyche of western women. Most of them were raised to be angry at men and base on their struggle to be revengeful. The result is them to find difficult time holding meaningful relationships. This is what happened to somali women who thought they are free to do as they please and they shouldn't seek resolution to their differences with their husbands so they can keep their homes secure from splits and from rendering kids fatherless. All somali men are not perfect, some are indeed losers, however, when the girls are telling each other before they even get married that they have the upper hand and can dictate what goes on in their homes, disregarding their husband's views, it is no wonder the divorce rate is just as high as that of western homes. Lo0oL...um...am sensing some insecurities here, X. If there's anything you would like to talk about, am here for you. The 'death of womanhood', eh? Sounds very dramatic. I wouldn't know much about that since I have yet to have a relationship with a Western woman, but from what I have seen of my friends and former/current colleagues, they seem as capable of having meaningful relationships as any other woman. Liban, LoL...

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Yes indeed liberated to burn their bras and demand sex in public. Very advanced I say. Makalajabti laid it out all for us lucidly when she said prostitution or any kind of life irrespective of the end result bad or good is liberation. It makes all sense why western women end up mostly depressed and lonely while some of them literally worship men who come their way. Their liberation served men who were the entities they were supposed to be liberated from afterall. Sweet deal. And if we list the successes achieved through feminist movements, it is having a job with less pay than the man next to the woman doing the same job, dressing like a guy, and basically servicing the ever avaricious souls of men. Surely a success in my book. The usual drivel. Someone says 'liberated' and you take it to mean a 'depressed, lonely, badly paid, man-worshiping prostitute'. Well, I never. Loneliness and depression aren't confined to certain women (in this case, the liberated western woman), there are plenty of depressed and lonely women about whether they are single, married, Muslim or Gaal. The most depressed and suicidal women are probably the Somali single and married mothers. Heck, imagine being married to a loser and taking care of 5+ children all by urself. Makes being single and depressed positively welcome! Volunteer at your local Mental Health Trust, and see how the land lays, why don't you? Or even better, get back to your damp and poorly lit cave.

Lavie, Meeshan iskaga carar intaanaan lagaa dhaadhicin in aad ka caqli iyo karti yartahay the average faarax. Oh the embarrasment.

All we need to have bigger brains is maybe a promiscuous females !! Don't you mean monogamous females?

Is love money? Does it only visit middle-aged men? Has Caano Geel lost it? All worthwhile questions. £64,000 is a significant figure @ Legend.

^ LoL...yeah, the men get the best bits, the older women get the leftovers and the girls get....dhex yar.

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: It is a part of Reer Miyi culture that the girl in the family is to be looked after untll she gets married. Looked after? LoL...You mean SHE looks after them till she gets married. No rest for the wicked.

The £64,000 question.

Originally posted by Bishaaro: Shaize, there goes my 1000th post! I'm officially a post wh0re! Wait up Ahura, here I come.. Bishaaro, I don't think so. You have at least another year left on the street before you gain entry into the post-brothel, let alone climbing the ladder to the madame position that I currently hold. *Flicks her hair back* :rolleyes:

^ LoL. Tres chilling!

Hmmm...that certainly explains a few things.

Originally posted by Daanyeer: ^ Man are you out of your friggin mind? London girls? We have some beautiful girls here in Holland, but every now and then I have to go to England to rest my eyes. I mean they're ugly over there. I've seen babies crying once they got exposed to Londoners. Damn those folks, brush your teeth, that's all I'm saying. Some beautiful girls, you say Monkey-Boy? I suppose so...the ones used as window decorations in any case. The rest seem to be rather manly. London girls are nothing if not sickeningly stylish. :cool: Caano Geel, Many an 'effing' cyclist has been killed by a white van/red bus.

Wasn't China a highly developed society when the rest of the world ate raw meat and lived in caves?

What has MLK done for you and Islam?..Nothing. What has he done for me and Islam?..Nothing. He fought for his rights and those of 'black' brothers/sisters in America. He died a kaafir and his fate lies with Allah Most High. He gets none from me. Whatever the 'whites' did in the 1950's, I dont approve. Their crimes (raped,beaten,killed and denied freedom for so many years...) go without say. They indeed were evil. I for 1 will not thank MLK. Intead I thank Allah for giving the 'blacks' their freedom. MLK deserves his place in history, but why celebrate his life???? The life most worthy of celebrating is that of Muhammed Ibn Abdullah Ibn Abdul Mutalib, Messenger of Allah (SAW). Jafarel, It's not good to have such a narrow vision. There's nothing wrong with recognising and appreciating the spectacular deeds by mere people (Christian or otherwise) who have managed to directly or indirectly affect the lives of millions of people. If you really want to get fussy, I could point out that MLK probably did a lot for Islam by making the US a better place for Non-White Muslims to live in peacefully. The phrase "God works in mysterious ways" applies. It's more than churlish to withhold credit from those who deserve it (whatever their religion), and I highly doubt if the Prophet (PBUP) ever did such a thing (refuse to give credit or recognise the good deeds of non-Muslims, that is). It's also ludicrous to imply that praising a Non-Muslim for their actions/efforts means negating the deeds of the Prophet (PBUH) or the Sahaba. What a wierd way to think. Gaal iyo Muslim, Ilaahay baa dadka wada abuuray, Isagaana xisaabinaya hadhow.

Oh yes, the female has been feared and vilified since Eve. Nothing new. But Allah is fair, it will come back to bite them on the ar$e as is already happening. Ignorance, the most dangerous human ailment. :rolleyes:

^^ Boys and girls can be very good friends, but only if they are both butt-ugly. You are not going to remain friends with someone you fancy for long. It's elementary. Theory, sounds like you've already caught the bug. Surrender, dear. Surrender to it. The harder you fight it, the worse it will be.

^ LoL @ Ducaqabe. What do you think he is suggesting? Ceeb badanaa! The black seed seems to be a potent herb.

Haye, weli mid aad wax isutihiin ama saaxiibtihiin intey soo budhuqbudhuqleysay ma ku weydiisay inaad a £1000 set of furniture 'credit' ugu qaadid? LoL..waaba living-room dhan u iibi ileen iyada waxba kuma khasbayaan inay each monthly installment bixiso ee. It's not like her name is going to be black-listed when she doesn't pay it off, is it? Living it large (on other people's money) they call it! God, maxaan necebahay dadka waxyaalahaas oo kale dadka kale weydiista. Parasites! Dadka qaarkood waxa ugu yar ey amaanaystaan xitaa wey ku saqajaamaan (what's the point of keeping a handbag you borrowed from someone else? Either keep it and buy the person a new one, or return the ba$tard item.) Needless to say, I don't like lending anything to anybody I want to keep around for the long term. Lending/borrowing always means a speedy (and acrimonious) end to that particular relationship.

Being stuck in the office on Eid blows. Hope you're all enjoying yourselves immensely! Eid Mubarak. :cool:

Ahura, stop being a one sided SENTIMENTALIST LoL. The stuff you come up with! What exactly is a 'one-sided sentimentalist'? Such a strange creature. *Shakes head*

Life is shit. Love makes it a bit more palatable.

Originally posted by Khayr: Once again the VILLAGE PEOPLE CASTRO, JB/Rainbow man and company....where one posts the other follow! They have spoken from where they defecate ...... I understand that that a possible intent to start this post could be to make fun of Muslim Ulama/Scholars and muslims in general. And he still persists with the cheap shots! Khayr, stop second guessing people's intentions and get a life, will ya?

Haldhaa, Walaalo ma arko wax dilemma ah oo jirta halkan. Saaxiibadaa waa inaad ilowba ilow runta usheegtid. Iyadey jirtaa sidey hadalkaaga uqaadandoonto, laakiin adigu uma aamusi kartid. If you consider yourself a good friend, you must tell her. You have no other option.

*Giggles* Ooh wee. Annuls the marriage, eh? Very bad news for all the exhibitionists out there (where else can you get naked, if not your own marital bed?). Shucks!