I once heard that Shiekhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah believed that hell is not Eternal but to continue until Maa Shaa Allaahu..can someone Clarify that? Cheers

LoL Juxa Kashafa is a brotha Subxaanallaah....pedophiles are everywhere... I hope the parents will take the appropriate action and sue the damn school..surely there must be some witnesses... or at least use Parent Associations to start a campaign seeking justice. Cheers

^^^ takes note of Nova "Monitor Nova closely" ... "Do whateva it takes to eradicate dis-loyalty" Cheers

Originally posted by 7 0f Nine: LOZ as mod is nothing but a perfect stab in the back for moi, considering I’ve complained about his harassment of my person countless times. Hmmm... consider that strike one! :mad: go ahead Make my day... Cheers

Legend Arrives - Flying - standing proudly on his Flying Carpet (His Cape blowing behind him) while the nomads on the ground are waiting, looking into the skies, singing (with their caleemo qoyan) for the long awaited arrival of The Legend... With skill Legend lands swiftly and with precision…. Walks and greets the Odayaal…. Waves at the Hablo... to be continued ... damaashaadka iyo soo dhawaynta Legend iyo qudbadiisa dheereyd ...Stay tuned.... Seriously tho... I will do my best to get rid of anything that is remotely personal...I ask from all Nomads to know the difference between debating and personal attacks... Yaa waylakum... Cheers PS: Tuujiye...nal guduudan aa lagugu shidaa mar dhow...sxb...waxaa ka dhacayso inaad Kacaanka Legend aad heeso qiimo leh u curisid kuna luuqaysid adoo xamaasaysan oo weliba madaxa luxaaya hehehe

^^^ U forgot your addiction to Pepsi!!

^^^ LoL@ Sheh, I was not me who revived this topic!...someone is trying to frame me - may be admin has something to do with it . Thanks for finding my ol response tho! Cheers

Ciyaal Waaberi 1 Maajo..near Via Liberia... Y do I have the feeling that I have responded to this topic before...ooh well I cant be bothered checkin back 7 pages.. Cheers

Rhino it is Then....U r quite Lucky for being able to overthrow The Evil Hey Fever.... As For me....it fouls my mood and changes The Legend to a mere Peevish Plebeain Cheers

Aha Bishaaro..Go ahead.lets see what you have to say... ehm ehm

I saw this topic and said to myself "I wonder nowadays if the Nomads will be nicer and praise each other or if they will bluntly tell as they think of each other?" let us see what everyone has to say... Cheers

Originally posted by Warrior of Light: Legend I think you have miss read the article. The sheikh wasnt against IVF instead the idea of the surrogate motherhood. You are right..I missread the question.. As for the pointers you raised, 1 - Engaging intercourse: It may not involve intercourse but the product is pregnancy a continuation of the species. Since it does not involve intercourse how can the verses relating to intercourse relate to this?? This measn of procreation is haram. And what is the evidence for this? 2 - Confusion and uncertainty: There will be no confusion nor uncertainity if the genetic material belongs to the parents and it isnt coming from a donor source. So in this case you agree there wont be any confussion hence what the shiekh said is not correct! As for the 3rd point I totally agree with you.When it comes matters of necessity, the ruling of the Awrah can be revoked. And if you agree with this...So how is it Haram?? Rahima, I think the fatwa is not deep enough to tackle the issue... Aaah Spring ..and my anguish commences with the first blows of the cruel Victorian Spring Wind...Bloody Hey Fever!! :mad: :mad: Cheers

Bummer..I missed all the debate...Shaize @ Time difference! Castro..Haddad is in Guata Bay thanks to Shyem and TruthBeTold.. Cheers

Dudes..If my memory serves me right..Sheh is a sister... cheers

I wonder why the Winner's religion become instantly Important. In the past when Hindus or Christians or atheists won we haven't seen any headlines declaring " HINDU GIRL WON MISS WORLD " OR "CHRISTAIN GIRL WON" ETC... I wonder Why?? :confused: i think It is Ngonge's fault Cheers

Thanks Rahima..very interesting fatwas...Not Convincing tho!...What I mean is the Sheikh’s fatwa was entirely based on logic and interpretation of some Ayahs rather than clear cut Ayah or Xadiith... Sheikh (RahimahuLlaahu) made many errors in his train of logic and the complexity of IVF treatments exposed his lack of understanding of the process. The Sheikh Based his objection and Fatwa on three reasons:- 1 - Engaging intercourse: Clearly this process does not involve intercourse and Sexual activity. 2 - Confusion and uncertainty: There are ways to verify whom the child belongs to, moreover, Confusions do happen and it is not restricted to IVF. 3 - the third reason that the Sheikh mentioned in his fatwa is The Awrah and how it shouldn’t be seen. This is for medical reasons, isn't it? My understaing is (and I could be wrong here)that it is permissible for doctors when they are attending to their patients and seeing the awrah can not be avoided. Now Saying all that I do not know whether it is Halal or Haraam. All I'm saying is The above fatwa is not strong enuf to inhibit a childless Woman from receiving this treatment. Rahima, Sis If you can assist us to provide a detailed Fatwa, I would appreciate it coz a friend of mine is thinking about it. Cheers PS: How is melbourne Treating you by the way?

Yeah..I take it back Now..U look like a Hippo actually!

Final..I'm sure u were talkin to Zephy..why dont u point your arrow somewhere else then???

Originally posted by Aeronwen: ^ Guess so. Obviously, am not as social as I thought. Or possibly, I shouldnt' have taken it when am in such a foul mood. Either way...who cares? Pumas are beautiful animals. :cool: I can attest that U are more beautiful Cheers

Originally posted by 7 0f Nine: *Cheers* is more English than Australian. Get over it. :eek: WADDA! NO KIDDING!! So technically I Speak Australian.. According to U..eh'

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Loool@Zu, I thought u'll maka a 2 pages list but this is fine since it is just few points ,,,,, By da way ,, i'm gonna come to da makiinadaha cajiinka ,,,, r u there ?? I'm banned from Makiinadaha Cajiinka... Cheers

^^^ Look At U?....are you sayin, U didn't get our jokes?... Xaliimo Lugo gaagaaban "I m not an animal"..is a quote from Seinfield Cheers

^^^^OooH..U still using My Cheers? :mad:

Originally posted by Sharmarkee: quote:Originally posted by Legend of Zu: quote: Originally posted by ALexus.: Its her that wants to know about Jini's and not Nabi Gabriel. Who is Nabi Gabriel?? :confused: Gabreil[Calayhi Salaam] is the head of Angeles not nabi. Thanks Bro..I was correcting her witout sounding "know it all" .. Cheers

Originally posted by Krupt33: What animal am I??? HUMEN There is no animal called Humen!!! Sorry to disappoint you dude... Try Again!