Sorry, Bros & Sis. I was busy these days and I realy missed some beneficial articles espicially from aristote. As Bro. aristote asserted UNITY is more important than anything else. Unfortunately if someone in ADVANCED level of a group it's difficult to convince him/her to make some concessions for the sake of the UNITY of ISLAM. As I said earlier I am not bonded to one group, i'm flexible MUSLIM (What Mz Slander disagreed) I take the knowledege from SALAFIS, from IKHWANS, from TABLIIGHS etc. I love them all for the sake of ALLAH. I don't judge the Sheikh from which group he come from but for his VISION and his FEELINGS for ISLAMIC issues, some Sheikhs are only intrested in their group's affirs, those are the people I always avoid them regardless of their group. there are some bad/good people in each group. if i don't believe this i'm BLIND and i have to ask ALLAH to open my EYES. In conclusion, as Brother Aristote said, we've to forget the differncies and FOCUS the SIMILARITIES and the BIG ISSUES, otherwise we'll end up an empty circle.

Thank You very much Bro . Aristote for your Honesty ADVICE, and your subjective analyse. I appreciate. Secondly, Bro. I never generalised SALAFIs, some of the Scholars I was defending were labelled as Salafis like Salman Al-awdah, Safar al-xawali, Abduraxman Abdulkhaliq and many others, So i think you missed the begining of these threads, Please look Salafi-dawa threads and how he was attcking different ULUMAS. All may efforts was to defend ALL ulumas whether they were labelled SALAFIS or IKHWAANI ao TABLIIQI etc. If you looj back at my threads I was using the word MUTASALIFAH which, means those who pretending to be SALAFIS, so I never generalised Salafis i was just mentioning those who publicly said we ahve ALLEGIANCE to Fahad etc. Thirdly, what makes me angry,and almost everybody else here, they're posting ABUSIVE article and if you asked them question they're jumping to another article SO, you don't know what to do other than to tell their decieves and tricks and to expose their hidden agendas. Many times I begged them to answer some questions but instead they posted new abusive articles. Finally, I will let you to ask them some of quetions I asked and we'll see if they answer.

Would Dayniile (the biggest somali tabloid website) too apologize? I don't think so!

interesting time we live in, when people seek 'signs' inorder to strengthen their faith - it is a sign of the weakness of imaan. Very True

I have hoped that I could finally get some answers from the Salafi in this thread. Unfortunately it always ends up by having someone change the subject altogether. Allah know best. Sis. Sakina I've asked them more questions that yours and they just picked the ones that suit them and left the REAL and the FUNDAMENTAL ones. So, don't be so NAIVE, they'll not answer the FUNDAMENTAL ones, brcuse if they answer everybody will see who they're (although almost everybody here knows them) they don't want to WITNESS against them. Just compare and contrast what they wrote in ONE article. point 8 and 9 are not subject to saudi arabia, but to all muslim governments, this sunnah was established when the messenger was alive not when saudi arabia became a kingdom. Remember No. 8 says "8. We worship Allaah by obeying the rulers, as long as they are Muslims who seek judgement through Allaah’s Legislation and who establish the prescribed punishments, and as long as they establish the prayer. Obeying them is an obligation even if they commit oppression. And whoever says something contrary to this and makes it permissible to revolt against the Muslim leader, even if he may be oppressive, then he is an innovator and a deviant. And it is obligatory on the Muslim scholars to refute this statement of his and to expose his deviance. And No. 9 says "9. We hold that it is not permissible to spread the faults of the leaders, because doing this influences and brings about trials and afflictions (fitan), and causes them to spread." Compare to this: when did saudi seek help from the kufar against muslims??? i hope your not talking about iraq and sudam hussien the apostate. sudam hussien apostated to his ba'ath party, and their sologan is "there is no god but ba'ath" a'oodubillah. he invaded kuwait, for what??, he killed muslims, took their wealth and ruined their land, for what? why dont u speak about sudam hussien then? the blood, wealth and honour of a muslim is sacred. and his regime was built by america, for many years america supplied suddam with weapons, and strengthen them. after he tried to invade kuwait he stood at the borders of saudi arabia. Isn't laughable Also compare between these two, perhaps this is more laughable than the first one: You missed the point: Salafies are followers of the salafus saaleeh, not saudi arabia. and in the same ARTCLE: dont see why saudi is your main enemy, this is a country that has established laws of the shari'a in their court systems . you will not find a single church, sinigog, temple etc in the kingdom because tawheed is established. during prayer time it is illegal to buy and sell, and every man has to attend the congregation prayer. what? are u waiting for cnn to tell u this?? are u waiting for cnn to tell that saudi was the largest single private doner to one of the 3rd world muslim countries? how do u know what they do with there money? And she continued to say: akhie, not everyone is perfect, people are going to sin. what salafi agrees with riba in banks? we're calling you to follow the messenger and his companions, not to blind follow saudi arabia. whatever u state about saudi from this point on is irrelevant. we never said salafi is whatever the saudis are doing. not every saudi is salafi or righteous, just like the rest of mankind. But she couldn't deny that Saudi RELY America for hewr defence so, she tried to sex up and said: there is a difference between making alligience with the kufar and seeking assistance. a big differenct akhie. when the messenger salaahu 'alahi was salam made hijrah to medina, who was it that helped him get to madina? was is not a mushrik(kafir?). the messenger did trade with the kufar, and had dealings with the kufar akhie. this is not alligience, this is trade and diplomatic relations. Finally, with regard to the RELIANCE of America she told us that we don't know the MODERN system of the world (As SALAF didn't warn us the ALLIANCE with Kufar). as for countries depending on others... do u know anything about economics and trade, and politics? besides if saudi opposes the sunnah in some of these affairs, it doesnt mean this is from salafiyyah. If you can find all these contradictiions in one of their articles, what do you expect from their MANHAJ?

Just to add you this event. When Saudi arabia won ASIAN footbal cup (I don't know how! my be they pay money etc.) in 90's, your King Fahad delivered the cup to the Saudi Team and said this quote: "They said he Pick the cup and said this is the achievement of CAKIIDA SAXIIXA"

THE REALITY IS THAT THE UMMAH HAS SPLIT INTO DIFFERENT SECTS AND PARTIES. AND THE MESSENGER SAID THE SAVED SECT IS ONE AND THEY ARE THOSE WHO ARE UPON WHAT HIM AND HIS COMPANIONS ARE UPON. SO THIS IS THE SALAFI, HE IS A FOLLOWER OF THE SALAF. Anyone can claim that they're on the way of prophet (S.A.W) and his companions(R.A), but where is your evidence? What we're seeing on the ground is different these are some examples; 1. RIBA Banks in Makkah and Madinah 2. Corruption, Slavery, Denial for basic rights of those who are not Al-saud and many other injusticeS 3. in addition, Saudi Arabia is the only country that cannot defend its soil on its own despite the fact that it's the richest nation on earth (in terms of GDP per head). Her money could not buy her to defend her country , So, where is the SALAF way, were SALAF calling ROMAN and PERSIAN to defend their lands? on the contrary, they were threatning despite their poorness and backwardness. BUT THEY HAVE IIMAAN IN THEIR HEART NOT IN THEIR MOUTH NOT LIKE THE SALAF CLAIMERS TODAY - CAKIIDA SAXIIXA :rolleyes: These are the SALAF whom we know, DON'T TECAH US WHO WERE THEY So if you claim that you're IMITATING them be like them, not LIKE the KINGDOM ruling in Arabian Penisula. Where the SALAFIS helping KUFARS against other MUSLIMS? Is not sort of MOCK on our SALAF to say that Saudia is following our SALAF? Were SALAFIS HAPPY and ENJOYING in their PALACES when millions of MUSLIMS are dying HUNGER and OPPRESSION from OPPRESSORS? Do you think that people are so CRAZY to believe your RHETORIC speechs while you rely Uncle Sam on everything? the people here in SOL are not kept quite because they confused or something like that but because they don't want to waste their time for CLAIMERS like your group who are getting some money from the KINGDOM in return to defend their kingdom. Don't you know that there are many countries in this world (MUSLIM, KUFARS, RICH, POOR etc.) who never rely on others to defend their countries? Why SAUDIA ARABIA alone? Where is the CAKIIDAH SAXIIXA? Even Secular ARABS, like Libya, Syria, Egypt, Algeria enz. never rely on others to defend them! So Why CAKIIDA SAXIIXA alaone?

I am sure many mutasalifa IN sol and elsewhere, will laugh temporarily for this NEWS as their counterparts in elsewhere, but ISLAM will get STRENGHT from such oppression. Qardaawi oo khudbad ku sagootiyey Muslimiinta Posted on Tuesday, June 14 @ 05:47:40 PDT by editor Iyadoo in dhawaalahan uu Mareykanku ku cadaadinayay Dowladda Qatar inay beddesho ajandayaasha uu ku shaqeeyo Telefishinka Al-jazeera oo ah Telefishinka ugu afka dheer kuwa ku hadla Afka Carabiga ayaa wuxuu Mareykanku ku guulaystay qorshayaashiisii ahaa inuu in badan ka beddelo qaabkii uu u shaqeyn jiray Telefishinkaas, waxaana arrintaasi ay ku noqotay dadweynaha Muslimka ah ee dunida ku dhaqan iyo kuwa ku nool Qatar mid layaab leh. Haddaba, Jimcihii aynu soo dhaafnay ayuu Sheekh Yuusuf Qardaawi oo ah mufti si weyn looga yaqaan dunida Muslimka ka akhriyay Masjid lagu magacaabo Cumar Binu Khadaab oo ku yaalla Magaalada Dooxa ee caasimadda Dalka Qatar Khudbad uu ugu magac daray “Sagootin†wuxuuna Sheekhu ku sheegay khudbadiisaas oo ahayd mid dhaxalgal ah in barnaamijkii uu isagu ku qornaa ee (Al-Shareeca Wal-xayaa’) oo Telefishinka Al-Jazeera ka bixi jiray uu noqday mid la diiday gabi ahaanba, wuxuuna Sheekhu sheegay in Barnaamijkaas uusan mar dambe ka bixi doonin Telefishinka Al-Jazeera, isagoo sheegay in arrintaas ay muslimiin badan kaga hadleen qalabka Electroni-ga ah ee qoraalka ah (Web-pagestd) Sheekh Yuusuf Qardaawi oo khudbaddaas ku sagootinayay Muslimiintii ka soo qaybgalay iyo kuwa kale ee Adduunka dacalladiisa ku nool ayaa yiri: “Tan waa khudbadii iigu dambeysay ee aan ka jeediyo halkaan†isagoo ula jeeda Telefishinka Al-jazeera oo ay cadaadis ku saaray Mareykanku Dowladda Qatar in la joojiyo barnaamijyada ka hadla Diinta Islaamka iyo Dagaallada ay muslimiintu kaga soo horjeedaan Dowladaha masiixiyiinta ah oo ay ugu horreeyaan Mareykanka iyo Ingiriiska, waxaana barnaamijyada la joojiyay ka mid ah Barnaamijka “A Shareeca Wal xayaa’†oo uu ku qornaa Sheekh Yuusuf Al-Qardaawi, sidoo kale Sheekhu wuxuu manbarkii uu ka akhrinayay khudbadda ka sheegay in Dhammaan cajaladihii laga duubay barnaamijkaas (Al-Shariica Wal-xayaa’) la masaxay iyadoo aan la igala tashan,waxayna taasi igu noqotay aniga iyo Muslimiinta oo dhan la yaab iyo amakaag. Sheekhu wuxuu sheegay inuu haatan wado barnaamij Islaami ah oo ku saabsan “Fiqhiga Safarka iyo Dalxiiska†wuxuuna sheegay in markii uu dhameeyo uu badin doono isla markaana uu u qaybin doono Muslimiinta Dunida meel walba oo ay joogaan, sidoo kalena wuxuu Muslimiinta kula dardaarmay inay badiyaan cibaada iyo daacada RABBI, isagoo sheegay in dacwadii Islaamka uu sii wadi doono, isla markaana uusan ka caajisayn inuu Muslimiinta u kala ifiyo xaqa iyo baadilka. Sheekh Yuusuf Qardaawi wuxuu khudbaddiisa ku yiri: “Anigu ma ihi nin ad-adag, sida dadku badankii ii maleeyaan†balse waxaan ahayn nin ka duwan middaas, waxaan ahay fududeeye, maxaa yeelay Ras’uulka (NNKH) ayaa sidaas na faray, oo waxaa laga weriyay Nebiga (NNKH) Xadiis ah: “Fududeeya oo ha adkeynina, isku bishaareeya oo ha kala taginaâ€, “balse fududeyntu ma ahan in la xalaaleeyo xaaraanta, macnuhuna ma ahan inaan diidno waajibaadka†ayuu yiri Sheekh Qardaawi. Mareykanka oo in badan ka cudur-daartay barnaamijkaas (Al-Shareeca Wal-xayaa’) ayaa waxaa muuqata inuu ugu dambeyn ku guulaystay inuu hakiyo, waxaa kaloo Mareykanku lagu wadaa inuu dowladda Qatar ka dhaadhiciyo inay iskaba iibiso Telefishinka Al-Jazeera oo uu sheegay inuu noqday meelaha laga dhiirrigeliyo Argagaxisada, waa siday hadalka u yiraahdeene. Sidoo kale Mareykanka iyo Ingiriiska oo isku duuban ayaa wada qorshayaal ay ka mid yihiin in la joojiyo barnaamijyada diiniga ah ee laga sii daayo Telefishinnada Islaamka sida kuwa Sucuudiga oo ay sheegeen inay dacminayaan waxay ugu yeereen Argagaxisada. Telefishinka Al-Jazeera waa telefishinkii keliya ee soo tabin jiray dagaalkii foosha xumaa ee uu Mareykanku la galay dowladdii Islaamiga ahayd ee Daalibaan, waxaana sidoo kale uu kula diriry gudaha dalka Afghanistan Shabakaddii Al-qaacida oo iyadu ahayd shabakaddii uu hoggaaminayay Sheekh Usaama Binu Laden, waxaana arrintaas u xiran illaa iyo hadda Weriye Teysiir Calooni oo isagu lagu xadgudbay sharaftiisii qofnimo iyo xorriyadiisii Weriyenimo, waxaa kaloo Mareykanku dhowr wariye kaga dilay Ciraaq Telefishinka Al-Jazeera. waxaanse leennahay ILLAAHAY ha guuleeyo Muslimiinta iyo wixii Taageeraba. Waxaa isku duway: Maxamed Xuseen(Jantiile) E-mail: jantiile12@hotmail.com Isha Wararka: Wakaaladaha Wararka

As for the issue of Hajjaj, I have come to realize that my position to who was right is currently I DO NOT KNOW. Al-Hamdulillah, I know I have very LITTLE LITTLE knowledge of this deen and am able to admit that. when it comes the oppressor rulers you and yourgroup are too lean and their knowledege is too little to give fatwa and they don't know :mad: too blind :cool: etc. But when it comes the ULUMA, DUAAT you and your group are too strong , too hard , too angry too abusive etc. Which religion ypu're representing? ISLAM knows RIGHT & WRONG, DARK & LIGHT even to your brother, relative, to you FUNDER, SPONSOR whether they're RICH or POOR. this is ISLAM. But fortunately the people are not so ignorant to be decieved by RHETORIC statements. We all live in the WEST, we know what SPONSOR and FUNDER means, it means you've to be always LOYAL to them, so no wonder to be LOYAL to Al-saud regime and other Co-sponsors. But what is strange that you differentiate the RULERS, for example No. 13 of your constitution says: We do not deem it correct to revolt against the Muslim rulers as long as they are Muslims, nor do we feel that revolutions bring about reconciliation. Rather, they corrupt the community. As for the rulers of Aden, then we feel that fighting them is obligatory, until they repent from heresy, Socialism and calling people to the worship of Lenin and Marx and other than these two from those who professed disbelief. So what maskes fighting against Yemeni rulers obligatory and not AL-saud? :cool: , Cleverness isn't it? If I count the contradictions of your group it would fill SOL pages. I was told that at the time, the empire was split into three. So I was told there are some scholars that said Abdullah ibn Zubayr was wrong and some that say he wasn't. They would say that he was like the ibn Abdul-Wahhab vs. Uthmani's situation. So Allah Knows best. /QUOTE] Who told you? where are those who are saying HAJJAJ was RIGHT and Abdallah ZUbayr (Radhiyaalahu Canhu) was wrong? why don't they come forward and say publicly? why don't you COPY & PASTE their FATWAs as you do in other cases? we want to know them, because they're insulting our BELOVED RELIGION and suspecting it that it doesn't distingusih between RIGHT & WRONG. Between HAJJAJ & ABDULAAH BIN ZUBAYR, Between YAZID and OUR BELOVED PROPHETS GRAND CHILDREN between AL-SAUD REGIME and THOSE NOBLE ULUMA WHO ASKED THEM TO CHANGE THEIR EVIL BEHAVE. we want to know TELL US please? Otherwise we will SUE yoyr group for their MOCK to our RELIGION and descriping it as HANDICAP, IMPERFECT, BLIND, INJUSTICE etc. which cannot distinguish between WRONG & RIGHT. I'm Serious abou turab

suppose i wanted to ask them something, how do i contact them!! my point sahal is brother are you telling me ideal alternative, coz i don't think those people exisist; they might say they are not part of a group, but the information they are using is, there is not nutural ppl, runining around the middle somewhere; if so, i can't find it, so i place the burden of finding them on you; Sorry, Sis, I was busy these days. however, what i don't understand is why do you confine to yourselef to one group? why don't you take knowledege from different Sheikhs and compare and contrast? why don't you be FREE person? why do you always asking me to tell you a group to follow? why do you need to be follower rather than an independant? I would recommend you to take knoowledege from all groups SALAFIS (NOT MUTASALIFAH), IKHWANS, TABLIIGHS, TAXRIIRS, SUUFIS and all other groups. because each of these group is good for one or more side for example the (Real) Salafis may help you to avoid Bid'as and learn you Aqeedah, Ikhwans may guide you to understand real brotherhood and unity of UMMAH, Tabliighs may increase your YAQIIN and IIMAAN, Suufis may help you to purify your soul and be humble etc. so why ONE GROUP?

But, I don't expect you to agree with me. In fact, I expect you to try to post your refutation. Don't worry sahal, i don't expect you to agree, but notice how you said we say Hajjaj was right. JAHANNAM IS REAL! you shouldn't act like that... Furthermore, while people are talkinga bout somalia and their dictator, and iran etc., when Abdullah ibn Zubayr fought against Al-Hajjaj, the tabie'n that came after agreed that he was WRONG. So, if that is the case for that Salaf, one should really re-check their opinion before critizing the salafis. Allahu Musta'an both above quotes are from you! So, Abu turaab tell us, who was right and who was wrong Abdullah Bin Zubayr (R.A) or Hajjaj Bin Yousuf? or both of them were right/wrong?

As you did not answer or offer me an alternative method of obtain information, in regard to translation and explanations, i'll leave it at that; S. Lander the alternatives are independant Sheikhs who are not fearing to say the RIGHT WORD, who have no BAY'A with FAHAD or any other corrupt leader and not getting FUNDS for their preachings or writtings. Those who are talking the right thing at the right time, those who care the MUSLIMS wherever they are, Those who do not distinguish the MUSLIMS between SALAFI & KHALAFI, those who care thje oppressed MUSLIMS ..... These are the alternatives.

Sis, I can imagine your position and the reason why you've chosen this group. However, I want to tell you two things that this group (Mutasalifa) will teach you which are totally against the Islamic behaviour. 1. They will teach (or already taught) you that you're the BEST and our group is the saved sect etc. and ALLAH says in the QURAN: Those who avoid enormities of sin and abominations, save the unwilled offences - (for them) lo! thy Lord is of vast mercy. He is Best Aware of you (from the time) when He created you from the earth, and when ye were hidden in the bellies of your mothers. Therefor ascribe not purity unto yourselves . He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil). (53:32) They will teach (or already taught) you that the rest are ignorant, went stray etc. and ALLAH says in the QURAN: That is their goal of knowledge; surely your Lord knows best him who goes astray from His path and He knows best him who follows the right direction .(53:30) Tht's my advice to you. Waalaykum wa salaam And don't forget my signature

Sis, I can imagine your position and the reason why you've chosen this group. However, I want to tell you two things that this group (Mutasalifa) will teach you which are totally against the Islamic behaviour. 1. They will teach (or already taught) you that you're the BEST and our group is the saved sect etc. and ALLAH says in the QURAN: Those who avoid enormities of sin and abominations, save the unwilled offences - (for them) lo! thy Lord is of vast mercy. He is Best Aware of you (from the time) when He created you from the earth, and when ye were hidden in the bellies of your mothers. Therefor ascribe not purity unto yourselves . He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil). (53:32) They will teach (or already taught) you that the rest are ignorant, went stray etc. and ALLAH says in the QURAN: That is their goal of knowledge; surely your Lord knows best him who goes astray from His path and He knows best him who follows the right direction .(53:30) Tht's my advice to you. Waalaykum wa salaam And don't forget my signature

Remember, Only No. 1 & 2 are agreed upon ALL uluma to be a non debateable evidences, (many ULUMA also include no 3 & 4,) the rest are debateable and are in order in terms their strength and all depend on the their relation with No. 1 & 2. So, where is your evidence in this order? Please tell me! Sheikh FULAN said that never been an evidence

i know what dey are sahal; i just did't want to say anything about either one; but if you must know i tent to lop-sided to Salman Al-awda; which does not mean i have anything against Rabiic Bin Hadi MAdkhali. just my teacher favoured one and taught us that one. what is ur point in any case Waad ii dhuumatay, you're in advance level in this group, that's why your avoiding to answer. However, if you return the question to me, this is my answer. Sheikh Salman and Rabic MAdkhali are not in a smae position. One of them (Rabic Madkhali) is a statesman who admits that he has BAY'A with Fahad and his brothers, while other is a CALLER of ALLAH who suffered his truth telling and stayed behind bars in many years and still giving his lectures without fearing anyone other than ALLAH. Most of Madkhali's lectures are INSULT and MOCK to other Shuyukhs and Dawah groups (not to enemies of ISLAM). while Sheikh Salmam always critcise Enemies of ISLAM and not on MUSLLIMS. Madkhali always tries to distinguish from others by saying we're the only saved sect all other groups are on astry etc. while Sheikh Salman always tries to unite the Muslims and to show them their real enemis. Shal I continue? As i said b4 you're in a advanced level.

sahal if i give u evidence, u'll disreagrd it, Shall I tell you the scales of EVIDENCE. 1. QURAN 2. SUNNAH 3. SAHABA'S ACTION particullarly the 4 KHULAFAAULRASHIDOUN 4. IJMAAC (if ALL Muslims agreed upon one issue) 5. QIYAAS (Comparisson i.e if there is similar action was made during early days of ISLAM) 6. MASAALXAL MURSALAH (Like using modern technology in order to convey the ISLAM message such as TV, Radio, Internet etc.) 7. SHARCU MAN KAANA QABLANAA (Legislation of ancient nations i.e other prophets SUNAAH if it's not prohibited in ISLAM) 8. SADDU DARIICA (Closing the pretext i.e prohibiting something that not HARAM in order to prevent something that is HARAM) You didn't give any of the above, just like Salafi d'awa you said Sheikh BIN BAz said this and that .. Is this is evidence? With respect of ALL Uluma, if they don't show us evidernce from the above list we simply don't follow them particullarly when we have contrary evidence i.e NOT TO CALL OURSELVES OTHER THAN MUSLIM. full stop. NO one can disregard KITAAB & SUNNAH evidences, but you didn't even provude other 5 common evidences So how can you talk disregarding evidences while you didn't provide any evidence. Finally, If ypou're saying we have to follow Sheikh Bin Baz whatever he said with or without evidence, then you're not the first who did this. there are many Muslims who follow their Shuyukhs blindly and you're one of them.

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers. Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. This is not only TRUE but also clear evidence of his PROPHETHOOD (S.A.W)

such as; Imam mohammed Bin Saud; Sheikh Mohammed BIn Abdual wahhab, shik Albani, BIn Baz, shik Cuthaymiin and the likes;; Sis, first of all for correction Imam mohammed Bin Saud was not Scholar but he was Ruler. Secondly the rest are Big Uluma and I already gave you my view about them, if I repeat I respect them as I respect like any other BIG Uluma Like Qaradawi, Qazali, AbulA'la Al Mawduudi and many others. What I asked to you are the Sheikhs like Rabiic Bin Hadi MAdkhali and his likes or Salman Al-awda and his likes. and if I make you more clear, Madkhali is leading specific school of thought and Al-awda is leading another school of thought So, who you meant when you say SALAFIYAH? I can't make more clear than that.

I tired b4 for asking Salafi Da'wa and i'm asking you and Rahima now: Give me an evidence justifying that you can call yourself SALAFI rather than than the MUSLIM? That's what i meant TRUTH HURTS not insulting or attcking to anyone just tired waitnig an answer for the above question.

To divert the topic and not to answer the questions is one of the MUTASALIFA's main descriptions. I answered your question so don't escape to answer my question: Who do you mean Salafiyah; Rabiic Madkhali and his alikes or Salman Al-awda and his alikes?

Whenever I asked question to Rahima you answere it! I don't understand why? are you spokesperson of Rahima or so? I didn't ask any question to you So, you don't nedd to answer. The person that i asked the question must answer or leave it. full stop. And if I answer your question: It depends who you mean Salafiyah? if you meant Rabiic Madkhali and his likes i'm at # 10 as you said and if you mean Sheikh Salman Al-awda and his likes i'm at #1 , so clear yourself who you mean when you're saying SALAFIYAH Do you mean Madkhali or Salman al-awda?

Truth Hurts

Rahima, Has anyone of our ULUMA (both Salaf & Khalaf) called hmself as SALAFI, we heard many middle ages ULUMA labelled Shaafici, Hanbali, Hanafi, Maliki etc. but we never heard one Scholar called himself or labelled by others as SALAFi. Therefore this name is one of the recent INNOVATIONS. , whether Scholar called himself or labelled by others. Those who were called Shafici, Hanbali etc were near to our Salaf some of them were living and took the knowldege from Salaf scholars like $ IMAMS and this name was their nickname not the substitution of ISLAM, but today we're hearing some ppl sayin ISLAM isn't enough you have to say i'm SALAFI etc. When you made some innovation you have to provide an evidence, there is no evidence from KITAAB, SUNNAH, SALAFUSALIH to call yourself as SALAFI. therefore, this name (SALAFI) is the INNOVATION of this ERA, and it's not allowed to call yourself rather than ISLAM. full stop.

Rahima, I think you know very well who we meant, we don't mean the Scho;ars who were labeled as SALAFI like Salma Al-awda, Safar Al-xawali, Abdurahman Abdulkhaliq (whom salafi da'wa himself kicked them out the so-called salafiyah arena. You know the difference very well as i said b4 I still rember that you were defending the above SCHO:ARS from salafi da'wa Isn't it? or am i wrong? please answer.. what i'm afraid is that you're avoiding the critics of this group . if this is the case i want to remind you that you cann't escape the critics and insult of this group unless you agreed with them 100%, they don't recognize 99.99%. they know "Either with us or against us". Haven't you listened their cassetes or read their books, websites etc. or you want me to give you some information about them?. However, I am still waiting from you the answer of this question. "With regard to the 3 ULUMA's (Sh. Albani. Bin Baz. and Sh. Cuthaymiin) that you mentioned, there is no doubt that they were some of the greatest ULUMA in our time. What i disagree with you is however, to call them as SALAFIS, rather i would like to call them ISLAMIC SCHOLARS. and of course as other ISLAMIC SCHOLARS they had different views in many ISSUES which some of them are fundamental issues; like the MUSLIM who don't perform 5 daily prayers. Sheikh Albani see taarikal salaat as MUSLIM, while the other two Sheikhs (Bin BAz and Cuthaymiin) see as KAAFIR who should be divorced his wife and not be buried at the MUSLIm graves etc. The other issue is entering Democratic process and becoming member of the parliament in Muslim countries, Sheikh Albani see as KUFR action to join these parliaments while other two Sheikhs see as necessary to join the political process and to become member of the parliament enz. on the basis of these and many other facts like American troops in Arabian Penisula, Palestine struggle, Niqab which most of them are actually fundamental issues, I consider them as part of MUSLIM SCHOLARS who can differ in some issues while they agree in many issues and not as particullar group. because if they're in one particullar group, as you mentioned, they would at least agree on fundamental issues. Do you agree the above quote or not?