Why don't you just COPY & PASTE us what your group said about the Saudi government as you always do in other issues?

Iraqis in Somalia Threatened With Beheading Salad F. Duhul, Arab News JEDDAH, 31 July 2004 — A candidate for the presidency in Somalia said yesterday he would encourage his supporters to kill Iraqis in Somalia if the Somali truck driver kidnapped in Iraq was beheaded by his captors. “If they (the Iraqis) behead our loved ones, we will behead their loved ones,†presidential hopeful Hussein Ali Elmi was quoted by news agencies as saying. Elmi dismissed as too soft the Kenyan government’s position of asking their citizens to leave Iraq after three Kenyans were abducted there last week. Elmi said there were a few hundred Iraqis in Somalia, mainly working as shopkeepers in the capital Mogadishu. Most of them fled Iraq during Saddam Hussein’s rule. Elmi said, however, that he himself would not behead anybody, but instead would ask his militias to do it. “There is no other way to defend our people,†he said. There are 56 presidential candidates for Somalia. A group of around 20 are considered the Young Turks. Elmi, himself a Young Turk, said that if one of them becomes president, they would want to immediately send Somali troops to assist the new Iraqi government.

Salafi-on-line answer the question that you escaped for months. WHAT IS YOUR STANCE ON FAHAD AND AL-SAUD IN GENERAL?

To make clear the word ZAMAD is only used by ALLAH'S name and character, however the same name (not the same meaning) is used by the people such as ZUMUUD which means FIRM STANDING, Without wavering or shaking for example we can say "ZUMUUDA SHHCBA FALSTIIN" which means the resistence or firm standing of palestinian people, or NAXNU ZAAMIDUUN = we stand firm etc.

brother you cant just take a hadith and make a ruling with it! By Allah is this not the way! there are hadith that need other hadiths to explain it! and some are self explanatory! This is one of the DOUBLE STANDARDS that your group always use against other MUSLIMS, everyboy knows that the HEART of your groups DAWA is this Hadaith " .....and my UMMAH will split into 73 sects ....." without comparing to many other AYAS and HADITHS that may explain it, this is if we assume that this Hadith is SAHIH because some ULUMA suspect the Authencity of this Hadith since it contradicts plenty of QURAN verses like 'You are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah..(2:110). ' and many HADITHS which gave us hope and strength). Remember the highest rank that some ULUMA gave this HADITH is HASSAN not SAHIH and your group use this HADITh as there is no other QURAN and HADITH always and everywhere ignoring all other bright sides of this UMMAH. So, why are you ordering others what yourself don't do? Grievously odious is it in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not. (61 - 2,3)

Yusuf Addie, Bro. this guy and his group have their IMAM, they don't want other IMAM, they've BAY'A with FAHAD of Saudia as their groups IMAM, so you'll not get respond from him except COPY & PASTE from their hate website. if you want more details go their website and read the articles and books there espicially the MYTH OF WAHABISM book, then you'll see how they hate the MUSLIMS other than their circle.

I'm very optimism that this confrence (4.5) will fail, since its success means catstrophe for all our hope to build a civilized nation and it's failure means that the hope stil remains.

They’re planning to write the agenda for us to follow. Are there any realistic hopes of resisting such an onslaught when it happens? How? I think they'll find many more Hamid Karazai's and Ayad Alawi's as long as the dictatorship, injustice and the slavery become some of the main feautures of the MUSLIM countries.

Agree with you Bro. Rainbow 100% and this was the behaviour of our SALAF but ask salfi-on-line or deenu-naseexa (as he called himself later) if he agrees with you. i'm sure he would say NO Ahlul bida's (as he calls the respected ULUMA) should be named and shamed since this is one of the principals of his group (NAME & SHAME the respected ULUMA). I challenge him to give you another answer, and this is how they decieve the others, they say we're fighting against AHLUL BID"A, KHAWAARIJ and many other name. I am waiting his response.

Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal? The prophet(saw) brought food from the jews, even ate with them before his death, did business with christians and jews! so what are you getting at! :eek: This is one of the clear evidences that there are hidden hands behind this group, since they're very LEAN to the greatest enemies of ALLAH, look the word "Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal?" :confused: and very HARD to the ALLAH'S AWLIYAH like Sheikhs SAYID QUTUB, ABULALAA AL-MAWDUUDI, HASSAN NADAWI, HASSAN AL-BANAA, ABDIHAMID KASHKA and many others, among the living ones Sheikh QARADAWI, SALMAN AL-AWDA, SAFAR AL-XAWALI, MOHAMED QUTUB, ABDURAXMA ABDUL-KHALIQ and many others. can anyone give me any explanation other than the suspicious that someone don't mind the enemies of ISLAM to occupy and penetrate the Muslim countries and HATE not only the other MUSLIMS but the top of the MUSLIMS i.e great scholars.

So when their Sayyid and Imaam is refuted by the Mashayikh of Ahl us-Sunnah and foremost amongst them Shaikh Rabee’ bin Haadee al-Madkhalee Rabee' bin Haadee al-madkhali is your Sheikh of Ahlu Sunnah :mad: , i'm very sorry that some of the Bros/Sis don't know him but i just want to tell them what he himself is proud for, he is proud and repeat everywhere that he has a BAY'A with FAHAD and his Brothers (some of this group couldn't say publicly) however one of his innovations is that he included the AQEEDAH SAHEEHA as they call, to have a BAY'A with Fahad. and he said your AQEEDA is notcomplete unless you have BAY'A with our IMAM imam of this country FAHAD bin .... if you listen or read some of his statements you'd say is he is normal or what .... insult, hate, mock in the sum he is the best example of this group "Salafiyah Jadiida or whatever they call themselves. Finally Haseena Sis. don't be surprised he is a memberof group whose jobs to insult the ISLAMIC SCHOLARS and to create hatred between the Muslims so don't listen his COPY & PASTE from their full hatred website.

Salafi-on-line you started your hatred and vomiting on Sayid Qutub too. it's not strange because Fahad's money are always funded against the MUJAAHIDIIN and MUKHLISIIN of this UMMAH. Keep your bad breath mouth from the Mujaahidiin of this UMMAH and just relax the small funding that coming to you from Fahad. Sayid qutub refused similar funds and stood firm against the Paroahs untill he met his Lord saying LAA ILAAHA ILALAAH, MUXAMADUN RASUULULAAH and you come today and say these vomiting against him. don't be decieved the patient of ALLAH on you when you are insulting his AWLIYAH day and night. ALLAH (S.W.T) say in Hadith QUDSI "I DECLARED WAR ON ANYONE WHO HATE MY WALI" your group don't hate one WALI of ALLAH but they hate hundreds if not thousands. So, we don't have any doubt that ALLAH declared war on YOU and your group and the ALLAH'S war is not like the George Bush's war it's the destruction of this world and hierafter.

In conclusion, nothing remains except for me to say that I consider that Sayyid - rahimahullah - is represented by the saying of the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam): "The best of all martyrs are Hamzah (ibn Abdul-Muttalib) and a man who stood before an unjust leader, commanding him to do right and avoid evil, so the leader killed him." [6] We also count that Sayyed - rahimahullah - has qualified for this rule, which says that he said the word of truth in front of a leader, who killed him for it…and I will say some of his words - rahimahullah - before his execution, when one of the officers was surprised with the happiness Sayyed Qutb showed when he heard about his "Shahaadah" execution verdict and was shocked because he did not sadden or get depressed or collapse, so he asked him: "You think that you will become a martyr, but what does a martyr mean to you?" He replied - rahimahullah: "A shaheed is someone who presents a testament (shahaadah) with his soul and blood that his faith and religion is dearer to him than the world. For this reason, he exerts his soul and life in redemption to the religion of Allah." We need many like him today, MAY ALLAH GIVE HIS MERCY - AAMMIIN

Feebaro, Thanx waan illobay, Babayga liin dhanaanta aad bay ugu macaan tahay marka kor looga tuujiyo oo qaaddo lagu cuno. Libaax ani waxaan soo jeedin lahaa sawir ka mid ah Text Bookskii Somaliya siiba Macallinka timaha wayn oo guur doonka aj rumayga yarna afka ugu jiro ama gabarta ariga la joogto oo xishoonayso.

one of this groups many contradictins is that if some Muslims do something good they say "If it's good SAHABA and TAABICIIN would do etc." and if we asked them do SAHABA and TAABICIIN called themselves SALAFIYAH they reply NO ...but according Sheikh Fulan no matter if someone call him/herself SALAFI etc. Salafi-on-line don't manouvere as you did many times b4, just defend or accept weather my findings are right or wrong. "BID'A = They created many bid'as such as this name (SALAFI) which has never mentioned neither in Kitaab nor in Sunnah. TAQLIID= They imitated their sheikhs step by step whatever they say even if this is against KITAAB & SUNNAH claiming that they're always right, some of them were told that the SAHABA say this and you're saying this he replied Sheikh Fulan gave this Fatwa and that's it. other example is i asked many times salafi-on-line to show me any evidennce from the KITAAB & SUNNAH for calling themselves SALAFIYAH and every time he replied me Sheikh fulaan said no matter .., sheikh fulaan said no problem ...etc. IRJAA' = they delayed the obligation of JIHAD and they said there is no JIHAD today since there is no IMAM despite the fact that the muslim land is faling one after another and despite the fact that they have BAY'A with FAHAD and they recognise him as AMIRUL MU'MINUUN . TACDHIIL: they blocked the SHARI'A for the same claim i.e there is no IMAM." Finally Salafi-on-line as i told you b4 the people here are not so naive to believe your contradictions and COPY & PASTE from your group's website. Defend the above accusations or accept it.

third, this holy land you speak of is that All of saudiyah or just mecca and medinah? if say the latter, then brother can you please give me reference to when and where in mecca and medinah the Americans were situated? fourth is it permisable to have a threaty with the kafir or not? Did the messenger of allah have threat with the kufar? All this is to defend a wrong Fatwa, why don't you say ot's simple wrong Fatwa just like other Uluma's sometimes do or Saudi Uluma are always right?

The Muslim were KHAYR and BARAKAH before this group (the so-called Salafiyah) come the field. they created hate between the muslim they claimed that they know better despite the fact that the Salaf were proud to say fulaan knows better than me, they claimed that others are all EHLU NAAR despite the our beloved prophet RASSUL (S.A.W) said the meaning of HADITH "anyone who said the people are on the wrong way he/she is the worst one" (MAN QAALA HALAKA NAASU, FA HUWA AHALAKUHUM), they declared war on the Muslims despite the ALLAH and his Prophet said "MULIMS ARE BROTHERS/SISTERS TO EACH OTHER ....". they started their war on the top i.e ULUMAS from the Salaf Uluma to the contemporay ones. they never throw a stone towards the enemies of ALLAH saying first we have to fight what they called AHLUL BID'A and many other false claims. They decieved some poor muslims but ALXAMDULILAAH all their tricks become evident when they fought each other and splitsed into many different groups each group insulting other and calling AHLUL BID'A, fulan not among the SALAFIYAH etc. ALXAMDULILAAH their tricks returned to them and they're busy to each other, each group searching other groups books, puplishings, cassetes etc in the hope to find some accusations. ALXAMDULILAAH again and again and again and always. the other AYAH that ALLAH showed us this group is that they contradict themselves to all their claims such as fighting BID"A, TAQLIID, IRJAA'A. TACDHIIL and many other claims. to give some examples: BID'A = They created many bid'as such as this name (SALAFI) which has never mentioned neither in Kitaab nor in Sunnah. TAQLIID= They imitated their sheikhs step by step whatever they say even if this is against KITAAB & SUNNAH claiming that they're always right, some of them were told that the SAHABA say this and you're saying this he replied Sheikh Fulan gave this Fatwa and that's it. other example is i asked many times salafi-on-line to show me any evidennce from the KITAAB & SUNNAH for calling themselves SALAFIYAH and every time he replied me Sheikh fulaan said no matter .., sheikh fulaan said no problem ...etc. IRJAA' = they delayed the obligation of JIHAD and they said there is no JIHAD today since there is no IMAM despite the fact that the muslim land is faling one after another and despite the fact that they have BAY'A with FAHAD and they recognise him as AMIRUL MU'MINUUN . TACDHIIL: they blocked the SHARI'A for the same claim i.e there is no IMAM . So, their real name is CONTRADICTORS .

Liin dhanaanta waxay ugu macdahay marka basabaas yar lagu daro oo BAJIYE lagu daarto ama BATAATI lagu burburiyo, inta kale naagaha wallacaa ama kibirka haayo aa cuno sida aminameenah sheegtay.

I think the problem here is not we listen and respect the ULUMA but rather, do we listen and at least respect all of them or we listen and respect part of them and insult and mock others. and this is exactly what Salafi-on-line is doing; if Sheikh Albani or Bin Baz said it is always right but if Sheikh Qaradawi, Salman Al-awda, Safar al-Hawali, Dhandhawi and others, who also devoted whole their life to this religion, said Salafi-on-line's group would not listen on the contrary they insult and mock them because some of their Sheikhs told them that they're not among their group thus they worth nothing and their books, cassets, talks should be warned. Salafi-on-line always repeats ULUMA and SCHOLARS while he meant handfull Scholars. therefore i think what we shouldn't do is to prefer some Uluma than the others and claim that we listen the Uluma. what Bro. Nur is warning is that each group to have their own ULUMA and follow them blindly even if they're wrong (other than the Kitaab & Sunnah)and others are right (according the Kitaab & Sunnah) since we definetly know that everybody including Scholars could be wrong in one or several issues even if they're right in million other issues. there are many examples about this issue but i will present them whaen Bro. Nur opent the new trhread.

The only book that is without flaws is the book of Allah. When we come across Hadiths that are classified as Dhaif, we should ask Allah ask in an earnest and sincere manner to give us the good in it and turn us away the bad it contains. As long as the slave of Allah is sincere about his actions, then Allah is Al-Ghafoor. But to act as if we know everything and can tell instantly between that which is good or bad for us, is not the way to Allah. Bilaal, this is the characters of the Salafu salih and you gave the NASEEHA, Jazaakallahu Khayr.

Assalamu Calaykum; Salafi-on-line could you please enlighten the critrea that one could become out of the SALAF manhaj? Is this to do with the politic (as Sis. Rahima suugested) or something else like if sheikh Fulan said this person is not on salaf manhaj that is it? Why i'm asking this question; because i heard both of these two critrea's so please enlighten me since you envolved these issues more than me.

What abot Abdurahman Abdulkhaliq and his followers in Kuwait and elsewhere? And Algerian Salafis who are fighting Against their military backed government? I think there is nothing wrong with asking questions publicly since others also will benefit from it.

If we assume all what you're sayings are true, why there are at least 5 different groups who each group claiming that they're the real Salafiyah and others are just claimers. Which group is the real Salafi. For erxample Saruuri's claiming to be real salafis since they've no Bay'a with fahad and any other corrupt leader, so is Kuwait's Salafiyah, So is A-muhajiroun, So is the most prominant Saudi Ulumas like Sheikh Salman A-awda, Safar Al-xawali and many others, your group are also caliming to be Salafiyah so. Who is and who is not?

Therefore when the commander of the army of Muslims – delegated that duty by the Muslim Khaleefah – orders a single soldier to employ a particular action from the contemporary means of suicide (missions during the battle) then this is to be considered Jihaad in the way of Allaah. Thge Sheikhs view and anyone who agree with him is clear; we have to wait until we get one Khaleefah and one Islamic state, before that we shouldn't do anything other than the D'AWA. but the critics say even D'AWA is a one of the Khalifah's duties, so why we're doing some Khalifah duties and some not? Second what about Fahad? in the light of many of your groups top men have Bay'a with him, so on what basis have they Bay'a with him? On a Muslim Khalifah base or as a King or ..? Please answer my questions as many Bro/Sis suggested (Last one was Shuju)and ask me any question. they will judge us who answered the other one's questions and and who failed to answer. Brothers and Sisters please tel me If i'm wrong.

Salafi-on-line wrote Innalhamdulillah... Modesty: wallahi that was soooo Beautiful, you wrote with Hikmah(wisdom), MAy Allah reward you.....May Allah make you among those who have earned his mercy You're very happy when those who resisting Jews state genocide crimes were called suicide bombers. Is that why your group hate Sheikh Qaradawi? Cherry Blair and many non muslims are more kind for Muslim palestinians than your group since they gave legitimacy for these actions. Modesty Sxb. you may misguided by western media or by this group (So-called Salafiyah or Al-saud Salafiyah) who want us to be lean with the Kufar and hard with the Muslim which is totally against what ALLAH S.W.T ordered us. Please visit his/her other threads how he/she was hard toward Muslims. Rahima wrote: Also, do not generalise the whole salafi manhaj, for when you say this you are also insulting a great deal of the culimaa' of Islam. Furthermore, simply because someone or a group of people do not agree with all the fataawa of a particular shaykh, it does not mean that they are disrespecting him or making xaraam accusations against him. All in all, one person does not speak for a whole manhaj, hence it would be much appreciated if you refrained from such remarks. Sister Rahima I fully agree with you and thanks for reminding, from now on i will call themm AL-saud Salafiyah. sometime i write in a hurry. Ngone wrote: Sahal, what’s wrong with you, brother? You’ve been stalking the guy for days, in every Islamic thread! Ngone Sxb, if you know this group you would even not allow to enter this site. they spread hate and differences between the muslims, and if I will not let this person to spread what i call CONTAMINATED SANDWICHS i.e (Top) =Inalxamdalilah ....(Inside) = insult, hatred, lies etc against Muslims ..... bottom) = verses of Quran or Hadiths. Therefore many people wouldn't look what is inside when they see good opening and good ending they don't mind inside and they may get sick, but i insist to disclose the inside the sandwich. Sxb. you're absouletly right sometimes i may become angry because i asked him many questions to show you his positions but he alway escape even some other bro/sis asked him to answer my questions and he manouvered, and that's why i become very angry. I will give you an example. in this thread i want to ask him their group's stand on SAUDI GOVERNMENT. if he/she answer we will continue our debate normally as any other two debators if not i will continue to chase him/her wherever he/she goes. So, Sxb if i know that all of you wouldn't eat this CONTAMINATED SANDWICH i would stay away or at least if he answer my questions.