The 4 imams are they not from the Salaf? I believe they are! What is a modern day salafi? Are they not those who follows the manhaj of the Salaf us SaliX, does this not include the 4 imams?!? If your claim is true and you believe that 4 IMAMAM'S are among the SALAF why does your group prevent Muslims to follow one of the 4 IMAMAS who ALL lived in the first 3 century of ISLAM and prefer them to follow 14-15th century IMAMAS?

You also claimed that you're follower of Ibn Jibreen, So what you would answer this FATWA? or it's stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE? :cool: I know all these will not help you since your heart is already spoiled by this group, but others my benefitted from it. Legal Verdict Regarding Sayyid Qutb Ibn Jibreen Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Office of the Presidency of Islamic Research and Legal Verdicts Question: Some youth call Shaykh Sayyid Qutb a heretic and prohibit the reading of his books, and they say a similar statement regarding Hasan al-Banna, as they also say regarding some of the scholars that they are Khawarij. Their argument is that [they do this] in order to 'expose the errors [of these men] to the people,'. even though [these youth] are until now [only] students [of knowledge]. I hope for a response so that doubt may be removed from us and others, [and] so that this [phenomenon] will not spread. Response: All praise belongs to Allah alone. To proceed: It is impermissible to [unjustly] call the Muslims heretics or wicked as is evidenced by the statement of the Prophet SAW "Whoever says to his brother 'O enemy of Allah,' and he is not such but that it returns back to him." While in [another] hadith 'Whoever calls a Muslim an infidel it returns back to one of them.' While in another hadith: "A man passed by another while he was doing a sin and he said to him, 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you.' So [Allah] said: 'Who is he who can pass judgment on my behalf that I will not forgive so and so, I have forgiven him and have nullified your deeds.'" With this I say, Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al-Banna are among the scholars of the Muslims and among the people of da'wa. Allah has brought benefit by them and through them He has guided many people. They both have efforts [for Islam] which should not be denied. For this reason Shaikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz interceded on behalf of Sayyid Qutb when the order for his execution was given. [ibn Baz] was gentle in his intercession, but President Gamal [Abdel Nasser] did not accept [ibn Baz's] intercession, may Allah send upon him [i.e. Abdel Nasser] what he deserves. When both men [i.e Hasan al-Banna & Sayyid Qutb] were killed, each was referred to as a martyr, as each was killed unjustly. This is borne witness to by those close [to them] as well as by the general public. As it was widely spread in the papers and books without anyone ever objecting. Moreover, the scholars have received their books [with acceptance]. No one has attacked them for more than the [last] twenty years. If some [heresy proceeded] from them, then [these mistakes] are similar to an-Nawawi, as-Suyuti, Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn 'Atiyah, al-Khatabi, al-Qastalani and the likes of many of them. I have read what Shaikh Rabi al-Madkhali has written in his refutation of Sayyid Qutb and I found that he has placed statements where they do not exist. For this reason Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid, may Allah perserve him, refuted him. Likewise, [al-Madkhali's] unjust attacks of Shaikh 'Abdur-Rahman ['Abdul-Khaaliq] and his [twisting 'Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq's words] in order to find errors which would make ['Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq appear] misguided, even though [shaikh Rabi] befriended him for a lengthy period of time and he never found any such errors [in the past]. And the eye of pleasure sees every fault insignificant, But the eye of hatred always finds fault. Dictated by Abdullah ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Jibreen 26/2/1417 AH

MUSLIM'S CHARACTER by Muhammad Al-Ghazali CHAPTER 1 PILLARS OF ISLAM AND MORAL VALUES Purpose of Prophethood -- Perfection of Morals The holy Prophet has stated the foremost purpose of his being sent down in this world and the method of his call to the people in these words: "I have been sent only for the purpose of perfecting good morals." --(Al-Muta) That great message which has left an indelible impression on the history of life, and for propagating which and for bringing people under whose influence Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) worked ceaselessly. Its purpose was nothing else but to strengthen the moral character of the people so that the world of beauty and perfection may be illuminated before their eyes and they may try to achieve it consciously and with knowledge. Worshiping has been made compulsory in Islam, and it has been included in the basic pillars of faith. But the Islamic forms of worship are not some sort of mystic exercises that link men with some unknown, mysterious being, and which subject men to perform useless acts and meaningless movements. All the Islamic compulsory forms of worship are designed as exercises and training to enable people to acquire correct morals and habits and to live righteously, and to adhere to these virtues till the end, whatever be the changes in their circumstances. Prayer prevents commitment of Evil Salat (prayer) is a compulsory form of worship, which is like an exercise towards which man is attracted with interest and willingness. He offers it continually, so that his life may be free from all diseases and the body may be healthy and strong. The holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet-both are the open proofs of these realities. When Allah commanded the compulsory prayers to be established, He stated its wisdom in this way: "Prayer prohibits obscenity and evil." To keep away from evil, wickedness and to purify from bad deeds are also realities of the prayer. In a Hadith-e-Qudsi it is stated: "I accept the prayers of the person who adopts the policy of humility with it on account of My greatness, obliges My creatures, does not insist on sinning against Me, spends his day in remembering Me, and is kind to the poor, travelers, weak and the suffering people. Zakat is a means of purification Zakat has been made compulsory on the eligible 'scheduled' ( sahibe Nisab ) persons. It is not merely a tax that is collected from the pockets of the people, but its foremost purpose is to sow the seeds of kindness. sympathy and benevolence, and to provide a chance of introduction among the various sections of the society and to establish the relationship of love and friendliness. The purpose of paying Zakat has been stated in the Qur'an in the following words: "O Prophet ! Take charity from their property so that if may clean them and purify them." --(Tauba: 103) To clean the self of the worldly impurities and to raise the standard of the society to the heights of decency and purity are the wisdom behind the levy of Zakat. For this reason the Prophet has taken it in a very wide sense, and to pay Zakat has been made compulsory for every eligible Muslim. The Prophet has said: "To smile in the company of your brother is charity. To command to do good deeds and to prevent others from doing evil is charity. To guide a person in a place where he can go astray is charity. To remove troublesome things like thorns and bones from the road is charity. To pour water from your jug into the jug of your brother is charity. To guide a person with defective vision is charity for you.'' --(Bukhari) The environment of desert and the Bedouin life--an environment which had its basis on internal bickerings and fights--in such an environment the teachings of Islam were presented to the world and they show what aims and purpose these teachings had, and it shows where these teachings led the Arabs in that dark and dismal environment. Fasting is a stepping stone to Righteousness Similarly Islam has made fasting compulsory. But it is not envisaged that men should keep away from their carnal desires and other prohibited things for a fixed period only. The Prophet has said: "Pasting is not the name of merely keeping away from eating and drinking, but it is keeping away from wicked and obscene things. If in the state of fasting, someone abuses you or picks up a quarrel with you, say: "I am fasting." Qur'an states the purpose of the imposition of fasting in these words: "Fasting has been made compulsory for you, as it was made compulsory for those (followers of earlier prophets) who preceded you, so that you may become righteous." (Baqarah: 183) Hajj is a compulsory pilgrimage to weaken the love for the world Sometimes man thinks that to travel to the holy places and to perform pilgrimage, which has been made compulsory for every rich Muslim, and which is included in the basic pillars of Islam, is merely a form of worship that has no relation with the world of morality and character. This is a clear misunderstanding. Giving commands about this compulsory worship, Allah states: "The months of Hajj are well-known. In these months whoever intends to perform Hajj should not indulge in sexual act, wicked act, and Fighting during the Hajj. Whatever righteous act you will perform will be known to Allah. Take with you provision for the journey (for Hajj), and the best provision is righteousness. So fear me, 0 men of understanding !" -(Baqarah: 197) This is merely the main outline of the forms of worship which are well known and generally practiced in Islam and they are its basic pillars. They show us what a deep relationship is there between religion and morality and how strong and lasting is this relationship. How varying are these forms of worship in their spirit and appearance from one another, but in those aim and purpose how close they are, which the holy Prophet declared his main objective. Therefore, saint (prayer), sawm (fasting), zakat, Hajj and other forms of worship like these are the stepping stones for real perfection, and are the means of cleanliness and purity that make life secure and magnificent. On account of high attributes and noble qualities that are the inalienable parts and the consequences of these forms of worship, they have been given a very high and important place in Allah's religion. If these forms of worship do not purify the hearts of men, if they do not nourish best qualities in those who observe them, and if they do not improve and make firm the relationship between Allah and His slaves, then there is nothing left for men but destruction and devastation. Allah says: "Surely, he who appears before his Lord as a criminal, there is hell for him, in which he will neither die nor will he live. And he who will appear before Him as a faithful, who has performed good deeds--for all such people there are high positions, ever green paradise, beneath which canals will be flowing; they will live in them for ever. who adopts purity." This is the reward for him (Taha: 74-76)

Since you (and your friends)couldn't find any evidence that this FATWA was stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE, we assume that it's AUTHENTIC and this is his position on your group and anyone who insult backpite any MUSLIm particullarly ULUMA and DU@AAT. S o, don't claim again that you're FOLLOWER of this Sheikh nor any other Sheikh who fears ALLAH in ISLAM and MUSLIMIIN.! Others will come soon :cool:

This is also another gift for Salafi-on-line and his group in order to keep their tongues off from our noble ULUMA and DAWA Group. If your REAL follower of this Sheikh as you just claimed, then you should follow his advice to you and your group, or you'll say this FATWA was also stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE . Ibn Baz (rahimahullah) on slandering Duaat Question: In recent days there has been a lot of slander against those who call people to Islam (daa’iyahs) and dividing them into groups and categories. What is your opinion on that? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Allaah has enjoined justice and good treatment of others, and He has forbidden wrongdoing, hatred and enmity. Allaah sent His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the same message as He sent all the Messengers, namely the call to Tawheed and to worship of Allaah alone. He commanded him to establish justice and forbade him to do the opposite, i.e., to worship anything other than Allaah, to cause division and to transgress against the rights of others. In these days it has become very common that people who claim to have knowledge and to be calling people to good slander many of their brothers among the well-known daa’iyahs, and they talk about the seekers of knowledge, daa’iyahs and lecturers. They do that in secret in their own gatherings, but it may be recorded on tapes that are distributed among the people, and they may do it openly in public lectures in the mosques. This behaviour goes against the commands of Allaah and His Messenger in several ways. 1 – It is a transgression against the rights of the Muslims, and against the elite of the people, namely the seekers of knowledge and daa’iyahs who are striving to make the people aware and to teach them and correct their beliefs and practices, and to organize lessons and lectures, and to write beneficial books. 2 – It splits the Muslims and causes division in their ranks. They are the most in need of unity and they need to keep away from division, discord and too much gossip amongst themselves, especially when the daa’iyahs who are being slandered are from among the Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah who are well known for their opposition to bid’ah (innovation) and myth, and for standing up against those who promote such things, and for exposing their plots and tricks. We see no benefit to be gained by such actions, except for the enemies who lie in wait for opportunities to harm the Muslims, such as the kaafirs, hypocrites and followers of bid’ah and misguidance. 3 – This action offers support and help for the self-serving among the secularists, westernizers and other heretics who are well known for stirring up trouble among the daa’iyahs and telling lies against them, and inciting people against them in their writings and recordings. It is contrary to Islamic brotherhood for those who are too hasty to help their enemies against their brothers among the seekers of knowledge, daa’iyahs and others. 4 – This spreads corrupts ideas in the hearts and minds of the common folk and elite; it spreads and propagates lies and false rumours, and causes a great deal of backbiting and slander. It leaves the door wide open to evil people who persist in spreading doubts and stirring up fitnah, and who are keen to cause harm to the believers by accusing them of things that they did not do. 5 – Much of what is being said has no basis in reality; rather these are illusions which the Shaytaan has made attractive to them, through which he has tempted them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion; indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another…â€[al-Hujuraat 49:12] The believer should interpret what his Muslim brother says in the best possible way. One of the salaf said: Never think of something that is said by your brother as being bad when you still find room for a good interpretation. 6 – Whatever ijtihaad is produced by some scholars or seekers of knowledge, in areas where ijtihaad is permitted, the author of said ijtihaad cannot be blamed or rebuked for it, so long as he is qualified to engage in ijtihaad. If someone else has a different opinion, it is better for him to debate with him in a proper manner, striving to reach the truth via the shortest route and leaving no room for the insinuating whispers of the Shaytaan or for him to cause trouble among the believers. If that is not possible, and someone thinks that he has no choice but to explain what is wrong with his ijtihaad, then he should choose the best wording and the most subtle way of explaining, and not resort to attacking, slandering or going to extremes in criticizing him, which may cause others to reject the truth or to turn away from it. He should also avoid criticizing specific people, casting aspersions upon their intentions or saying unnecessary or irrelevant things about them. In such cases the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would say, “What is the matter with some people who say such and such…?†The advice I offer to these brothers who have fallen into the sin of slandering the daa’iyahs is to repent to Allaah for the things that they have written or said that may have corrupted the hearts of some youth and filled them with hatred and grudges, and kept them from seeking beneficial knowledge or from calling people to Allaah by making them preoccupied with gossip and talking about this one and that one, and seeking out faults for which they could criticize people, and going to extremes in doing that. I also advise them to offer expiation for the things that they have done by writing and other means that they think they should not have done, and to remove from people’s minds the wrong ideas they may have given them. They should focus on fruitful actions which will bring them closer to Allaah and will be beneficial to people, and they should beware of being too hasty to accuse people of kufr, fisq and bid’ah without any clear evidence or proof. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever says to his brother ‘O kaafir!’ one of them will be deserving of that description.†(Saheeh, agreed upon). It is prescri<a href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Bed">bed for those who call others to the truth and for seekers of knowledge, if they are uncertain about something said by a scholar or anyone else, to refer to the prominent scholars and to ask them, so that they can explain the facts of the matter to them and remove the confusion and doubt from their minds, in accordance with the words of Allaah in Soorat al-Nisaa’ (interpretatiuon of the meaning): “When there comes to them some matter touching (public) safety or fear, they make it known (among the people); if only they had referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have understood it from them (directly). Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allaah upon you, you would have followed Shaytaan (Satan), save a few of youâ€[al-Nisaa’ 4:83] And Allaah is the One Whom we ask to reform all the Muslims and to unite their hearts in taqwa and to bring the scholars of the Muslims and those who call to the truth together in doing that which pleases Him and will benefit His slaves. May He unite them in following guidance and protect them against all the causes of division and dissent; may He support the truth through them and humiliate falsehood through them, for He is the One Who is able to do that. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and those who follow his guidance until the Day of Resurrection. Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al- ‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 7, p. 311

Priorities of Islamic Activities in the West by Shaykh `Abdul Rahman `Abdul Khaliq Source: Priorities of Islamic Activities in the West Courtesy Of: Islaam.com Muslim minorities in the West need urgent help to preserve their identity, religion and their very existence. To achieve this, Muslims must: 1 -- Re-establish unity in this nation all over the world. Muslims must be loyal to other Muslims and disloyal to all Kuffar. This unity must be implemented by deed and not only by tongue. 2 -- Affirm the basic belief that Muslims are members of the best nation ever that was introduced to humanity. Affirm the correct Islamic beliefs that will make Muslims feel pride in their religion and feel the sweetness of Iman in their hearts. This can be accomplished by teaching the correct belief end knowing the ways of the Kuffar, to avoid them. Muslims must feel the great bounty of Allah that He guided them to the correct religion. Religion must be understood and believed in. Muslims must study Christian beliefs. The struggle between Islam and Christianity will last till the end of time. Muslims must also preserve the Islamic code of dress, Islamic foods and marry Muslim women and, if they wish, only pure and good Christian women. 3 -- Arabic must be the first language for all Muslims again. Learning Arabic during childhood and giving it its due place in the religion is a must. Arabic is a necessity of Islam that must be preserved. 4 -- Muslims must Perform Da'wah (propagate Islam) wherever they me be, (Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining righteousness and forbidding evil. And it is those who are the successful.) [3: 104].Religion must be held to be the reason behind our existence, (And I (Allah) created not the Jinn and mankind except they should worship Me (Alone).) [51:56]. 5 -- Ahlu As-Sunnah Wa Al-Jama'ah and the way and understanding of the companions are what Muslims should call for. Muslims should warn of all misguided groups and define the one righteous group. To fight against misguided groups and off-shoot sects is a necessity. This means that Muslims will fight against all five major misguided groups who have corrupt beliefs: Al-Khawarij, Shiites, Al-Jahmiyah, Al-Qadariyah and Al-Murji'ah. 6 -- Muslims of the West must be united in every matter. They must call to Islam and preserve their loyalty to Muslims and be disloyal to the disbelievers. Arabic must be their first language. Muslims should seek to socialize with, marry from and meet other Muslims in lectures, mosques, universities, picnics and general activities. Muslims must not be isolated from other Muslims. 7 -- Muslims must be concerned with Islamic education for their children from primary to secondary education.Muslims must establish Islamic schools that will preserve and teach Islam to their children in their first years. The first years of life are what will shape the beliefs and ways of later years. 8 -- Muslims must seek to preserve Muslim presence in Eastern Europe and strengthen this presence. Muslims in Albania and Bosnia must be provided with material help so they can defend themselves. Muslims must also help Muslims of Eastern Europe using all means possible. Also, Muslims everywhere must seek to protect the religious, educational and social rights of Muslim minorities in the West. Muslims of the West must not be prevented from practicing and propagating Islam, the true religion. 9 -- A higher authority for the benefit of Muslim immigrants must be established to protect the rights of Muslim minorities. This authority will coordinate between all Islamic organizations that operate in the West. Coordination will benefit and organize the activities of Islamic organizations and will provide them with vital and firsthand information about needs and the situation of Muslim minorities. 10 -- Establish committees composed of Muslim scholars that will teach the religion to Muslim immigrants and solve their problems according to the Qur’an and the Sunnah. These committees will have firsthand knowledge of the situation of Muslims and provide answers to their problems. These solutions will seek to preserve the religion, identity and existence of Muslim immigrants. 11 -- Establish a sound economic system that will benefit Muslim immigrants in the West. This economic system will provide an honorable life and financial independence for Muslims. This is better than the way that many Muslims of the West live, by seeking the help of the Kafir government or engaging in usury, prostitution, gambling or dishonorable acts.

B4 i expose more about your cult I just want to give you this special gift from R. Mugabe who seems to be more sympathetic for Iraqi peole than your group. The Article was posted by IL Capo nomad. New York - Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, long a thorn in the side of the United States and Britain, drew applause at the United Nations on Wednesday for a scathing speech that tore into the Iraqi war allies. Mugabe blasted the two nations for holding up reform of the UN security council in "calculated" attempts at trying to preserve their influence at the United Nations. "Ironically, it is some of the same forces that since last year have been raining bombs and hellfire on innocent Iraqis, purportedly in the name of democracy," he said. "Iraq today has become a vast inferno created by blatant and completely illegal and defiant acts of aggression by the United States, Britain and their allies," said Mugabe. "We are now being coerced to accept and believe that a new political-cum-religious doctrine has arisen, namely that 'There is but one political god, George W Bush, and Tony Blair is his prophet,'" he said. 'Unprovoked, declared and undeclared sanctions' That line, a play on a well-known saying of Islamic prayer, drew applause from diplomats gathered at the UN general assembly on hand for the annual two-week debate of world leaders. Mugabe also condemned Britain's work for his ousting, including sanctions against his country. "Zimbabwe has also had to withstand unprovoked, declared and undeclared sanctions, imposed by Britain and its allies who are bent on bringing down our legitimately elected government," he said. "Mr Tony Blair, the British prime minister, has arrogantly and unashamedly announced in his parliament that his government was working with Zimbabwe's opposition party to bring about regime change," he said. "Once again, the lawless nature of this man who, along with his Washington master, believes he is God-ordained to rule our world, has shown itself," said Mugabe.

Only If you get answer for my questions I can continue to debate.

Salafi I knew that you couldn't get any evidence from our SALAF the position that your group stood on the killing MUSLIMS in Palestine, Iraq and elsewhere in this world. Secondly I'm very happy that you neither say that this FATWA was stolen from the Sheikh's office nor accused me to deliver part of it or taken from unreliable source etc. . As long as you defended this FATWA and it's author we assume that this is your group's OFFICIAL position on MUSLIM and non-muslim killings, Rapings, torturing and enslaving them. Finally I will not ask you question since you lack both knowldege and evidence to back your claims, therefore i will go ahead to expose your cult and their tricks in order to prevent others to fall the same trap that you've already fallen.

Thanks Sis for this clarification

Waiting your Respond patiently! :rolleyes:

Fear for the Muslim World By Shaykh Salman al-`Awdah We find that some Muslims, especially those who are enthusiastic about their religion, exhibit excessive fear for the future of Islam and the Muslims. Their fear is extreme and debilitating, not a reasonable fear that inspires productive work, cooperation, and research, but a distorted fear that fosters listlessness and despair. Such people typically feel that reform is hopeless and that nothing remains for them but to wait for the end of it all. This fear has caused many people to retreat into an ideological stance that we can describe as a “doctorine of waitingâ€. These people pin all their hopes on the emergence of the Mahdî who will come into the world or on the descent of Jesus (peace be upon him) from the heavens. Now, we as Muslims truly believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) will indeed return to Earth, descending from the heavens. We also believe that the Mahdî will appear among the Muslims. However, Allah has not prescribed for us to await these people or anyone else for that matter. By contrast, Allah calls upon us to act – to perform righteous deeds, to call others to the truth, to enjoin what is right, to forbid what is wrong, to conduct ourselves in a proper manner, to worship Him, and to build up our community. This is what Allah wants us to do. We are not supposed to sit around and wait, incapacitated by fear and despair. Allah has not informed us as to the day and the year in which the Mahdî or Jesus (peace be upon him) will arrive. What He has detailed to us in a clear and indisputable manner are the duties that we have mentioned above. The Qur’ân and Sunnah are both quite clear about these matters. Inordinate fear and worry make a person incapable of productive action. However, there is another unwholesome symptom of fear that can surface in some people; it is an exaggerated sense of personal responsibility for Islam. While some people succumb to their fear and become as invalids, others are propelled by their fear into a distorted feeling of personal liability until they feel that they are personally accountable for the religion in its entirety and that its protection and preservation is their individual duty. This feeling makes a person feel that he must act as the guardian of the faith and its followers. He feels it is his duty to carry out a personal mandate over Islamic work and Islamic workers. This is an unhealthy state of mind, causing the person to act in an unnatural manner. Such a person typically brings harm to others, because he overburdens them and deals with them in an unbalanced way. This behavior comes as a consequence of confused priorities. The person so affected loses the ability to put things into proper perspective, so he tends to become obsessive about certain issues. There is a type of excessive fear called a phobia. It is an irrational fear that is detached from reality. A phobia is different from anxiety, since a phobia is an unbalanced fear of something that exists in the world, whereas an anxiety disorder is an irrational fear of the future. The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to seek refuge with Allah from “anxiety and afflictionâ€. He prayed to Allah to protect him from “anxietyâ€, from being afflicted with an unjustifiable fear of the future. Such anxiety makes a person afraid when he wants to get married. It makes him anxious when he is about to graduate from school, worrying about whether or not he is going to find work. It makes him afraid to travel. As for a phobia, it is connected to the present day. It is the “affliction†that the Prophet (peace be upon him) also used to seek refuge from in his supplications to Allah. A person can become afflicted and beset by irrational fear, his chest constricted by his distorted view of the world around him. In this way, many Westerners fear Islam. This fear can frequently be found manifested in the Western media and in what is taught in Western educational institutions. It is referred to as “Islamophobiaâ€. Islam is indeed the true religion. As a faith, it is strong, robust, and able to stand up for itself. However, the reality of the Muslim world gives the West no occasion to fear it so crazily. The fear the West has for Islam is indeed a phobia, a sick and misplaced fear. The cultivation of this fear may be the result of deliberate efforts from some sectors seeking to create an “enemy†for the West to further their own agendas, in the same way that Communism used to be the enemy. We can often describe the Muslim fear of the West as a phobia as well. Islam, as we have said, is a strong, enduring, and robust religion. Allah ensures us that He shall protect it. He says: “Indeed, it is We who have sent down the reminder and surely it is We who shall be its protectors.†[sûrah al-Hijr:9 ] Allah has not bequeathed the responsibility of preserving the faith upon any of His creatures. Allah speaks about the death of His Prophet (peace be upon him) and addresses the Prophet’s Companions, saying: “Muhammad is naught but a Messenger. Many were the Messengers who passed away before him. So if he were to die or be slain, would you turn on your heels? Whoever turns on his heels will not harm Allah in the least And Allah shall reward those who are grateful.†[sûrah? l `Imrân:144 ] The religion of Islam is protected by Allah. The Muslim community shall exist until the arrival of the Hour. The Law of Islam shall endure with Allah’s permission. Allah says: “He is the one who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it manifest over all religions, though the polytheists may detest it.†[sûrah al-Tawbah:33 ] Allah also says: “Sufficient is Allah as a witness.†[sûrah al-Fath:28 ] Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) has informed us about the last days of the Muslim community and the goodness and the blessings that they will possess, and how Allah will establish them on Earth with His help at the hands of their valiant people, their leaders, and their scholars. Yes, the West does cause us harm, but Allah assures us: “They do you no harm save a trifling annoyance.†[sûrah? l `Imrân:111 ] If we have fear of the West, we should keep that fear within reasonable limits. Our fear should not be so feeble as to make us lose vigilance and become easy prey to those who wish to do us harm. At the same time, we should not become victims of our fear, unable to distinguish what harms us from what benefits us. We should not sink into a sense of helplessness and despair. As I have mentioned, anxiety can be a deadly form of fear. Our anxieties have a tendency to perpetuate themselves, giving us no rest from worry. We can preoccupy our minds with them every moment of the day without ever arriving at any solutions to our problems. In this way, we tax ourselves to no avail. Some of the tribe of Banû Umayyah were asked: “Where were you on the day your kinsman `Uthmân was murdered?†They replied: “Our anger at his murder kept us too busy to mourn.†This is something we should reflect upon. We should say to ourselves and our brethren in faith: “Our concern for what is happening to Islam and the Muslims is keeping us too busy to mourn.†If we succumb to lamentation and tears, this will not help us in the least. What will help us is for us to engage in positive and productive work, if only to a small extent. To light the smallest of lights is far better than cursing the darkness a thousand times

For the Sake of Calling to Islam By Sh. Salmaan ibn Fahd al-'Awdah The Muslim ummah is vital, caring, and prolific. Its still retains its youthful vitality. With Allah’s help, it is able to compensate for the deficiencies that come over it in every age. Nations rise and fall. Personalities come and go. Great works, schemes, and projects fall to dust. However, the Muslim ummah remains. The destiny of Islam is intrinsically tied to the destiny of the Muslim ummah. It is not tied to the destiny of any individual, group, organization, or country. Islam is greater than all of that. It is a mistake to tie the future of Islam – or of Islamic work – to the fate of some group or another. Likewise, it is wrong to regard the future of Islam in light of the contributions of a certain individual or to the continuation of some activity that we believe to be beneficial and productive. No doubt, there are many contributions being made by many people that have a clearly positive effect in the advancement of Islamic work. However, all of these things are but means that are not irreplaceable. A person might die and the Muslim ummah will live on, and Allah may replace that person with even better people. It is injurious for people to tie the future of Islamic work to any specific individual, no matter how highly people might hold him in their esteem. Every person is but a mortal human being with limited potential. He is prone to make mistakes as well as to be correct. He is subject to the influences that surround him, whether they be social, economic, political, or personal, and he cannot escape them. Many people clasp their hands over their hearts and fear that a certain beneficial door or pathway will become blocked, or that some orator will not be able to ascend the pulpit and speak, or that some writer not be able to write. We need to ask such people: What is it then? How many are the orators, writers, and Islamic workers that Allah has at His disposal. How many are the pathways to good that are at our disposal. Surely, we should grieve when a door of opportunity is closed. However, it is wrong for us to think that the future of Islamic work is inexorably tied to it. No one can be blamed for being affected by the silencing of a voice or the absence of a true word that used to be spoken. However they will be blameworthy if they start to think that the future of Islamic work is ruined and that the means to carry it out have perished. The Muslim ummah is something bountiful and fertile. If one voice becomes silent, there are a thousand voices behind it to take its place. If one orator dies, Allah will bring forth a thousand others like him. By vesting our hopes in personalities, we place too much upon their shoulders and, whether we like it or not, we end up stifling a lot of potential for goodness that our ummah can bring forth. Who out there can carry the future of Islamic work upon his shoulders as if he is its living embodiment? We do justice to consider each person in his natural place and keep our perspectives from becoming distorted. No one needs to be slighted or denied the credit that they and their contributions are due. At the same time, we should not elevate anyone above their true worth and expect from them what they are unable to deliver. In times of weakness and decline, it is easy for people to seize upon anything near at hand that they find to be strong and then pin upon it all of their hopes. This is why we see many good people shrinking away from the public and electing to remain silent, simply because they cannot bear the burdens and that the people foist upon them because of their working for Islam. They cannot handle being put in such a position of absolute accountability. Allah says: “Every soul is held in pledge for what he earned.†[sûrah al-Tûr:21 ] “Every soul is held in pledge for what it earned.†[sûrah al-Mudaththir:38 ] “On the Day when every soul will come pleading for itself, and every soul will be repaid what it did, and they will not be wronged.†[sûrah al-Nahl:111 ] “And We have made every man's actions to cling to his own neck.†[sûrah al-Isrâ’:13 ] From what verse of the Qur’ân are some people today getting the idea that for a person to be something he has to be everything? Where do they get the idea that all responsibility should be foisted upon the shoulders of a few people so that everyone else can be relieved from carrying theirs? The only difference between these people is that we have one who is doing his duty and another who is failing to do his. So may Allah reward the one who is fulfilling his duty and may He bless his work. However, the basic accountability upon both people is the same. It may be that those of us who are not mobilizing ourselves have greater natural talents and stronger personalities than those who are doing so. Why should we forget ourselves and bury our own talents? Why should we not ourselves assume what others have neglected or have failed to carry out in the fullest possible manner?

the Shaykh did a great job, the fatwah is self explanatory..mashallh! and for all to see...so lets move on! You wish that we move on, but NO. this is the main point, this is the real face of your group hatred of humanity including MUSLIMS other than your group. Forget of being MUSLIMS, aren't the Iraqi people human being? How your Sheikh dare to legitimate the war (and before more than 13 yrs of sanctions) against IRAQI people while bilions of non muslims around the world demonstrated and expressed their furious of Anglo-American sanctions and war aginst IRAQ? Forget of being MUSLIMS, what is the crime of more than million Iraqi children who die because of these sanctions? Forget of being MUSLIMS, is it legal to kill and to bomb innocent civilians in IRAQ? Forget of being MUSLIMS, is it legal to occupy other peoples land? Forget of being MUSLIMS, is it legal to control other countries resource by force? Forget of being MUSLIMS, is it legal what hapened and still happening in ABU GHURAIB prison? Why don't you see what billions of non Muslims have seen it? Why do you refuse other MUSLIMS to say 'O ALLAH save the IRAQI people' while we know that this the least believe -ADHCAFUL IIMAAM? Do you want us to be like you? Blinded heart? What he said is in accordance with the Salafi Creed, Saxib it’s upon you to take it or leave it! no one is going to hold your hand! lets move on! I swear ALLAH that this is not the SALAFI creed. and this the main point. your group is claiming to be on the path of SALAF but all the evidence indicate that they're NOT. This FATWA is just one example of many more evidences. So, expose any evidence from any book (even in a weak -DAIIF- story) that our SALAF SALIH legitimized by killing innocent (Muslims and non-muslims) people at their door-step? Please answer my question and give us any evidence and don't escape since this is the main point of our debate.

Seriously though, What did he mean ? My friend no where does it state that its defensive or offensive jihad, but you wanted us to believe that the shaykh meant the jihad, devoid of any clarification! You differentiated these two kinds of Jihad and i just quoted it, but the Sheikh has not deferentiated he said clearly "The best jihad today ... is to hold back from jihad." (p.204) n Arabic ( AFDHALUL JIHAD AL-YOWM HUWA TARKUL JIHAAD ) furthermore this Cassette of yours can not be used as prove, you expect the audience and I to take your word for it?thats silly.. If you wish to remain in this business of refuting others, it’s essential you grasp the art of rebutting! i advice you to do more research so you know your subject before you started copying and pasting materials! Forget my cassetes look the excerpts of my second thread :rolleyes: where's the beef?!? the Shaykh obviously meant "Iraqi Society" this becomes evident when you read the next few lines! He uses term “Iraqi societyâ€! In addition the noble Shaykh Said, “ NO, But Supplicate to Allah that he delivers the Muslims amongst the people of Iraq and that he relieves them of their distress . This is what I can add now. “ this itself refutes your claims..So where is the deficiency?any sensible person can see the Shaykh Meant “Iraqi Societyâ€, nice try though! First of all weather the Sheikh meant or not he said, the translater changed to "Iraqi Society" not the sheikh as he made clear in the footnote. The defencies are countless here are some of them: 1. Firstly not all Iraqi society is Muslim. Rather, amongst them is the Marxist ....and there are Muslims amongst them ...and amongst them are the Raafidah.... Is there any 100% Sunni, Salafi (according your groups concept) Muslim country in this world? 2. Secondly, we have rulers and those who have authority over us, and it is obligatory to give them hearing and obedience :mad: Who do we give hearing and obedience? FAHAD, MUBARAK, SABBAH etc who supported enemies of ALLAH to kill the MUSLIMS and allowed their armies to use their LAND, SEA ands AIR to destroy AFGHANISTAN & IRAQ MUSLIM people. 3. I also say that those who call to cutting off from the products of America and Britain and others (i.e boycotting them), then those people have a resemblance to the Rafidah ...... :mad: If i show this FATWA to non Muslim person I am sure he/she would not believe that these fatwa came from muslim person let alone one who regard himself as Sheikh or AHLUL ILMI as you called them. I know you agree this with the Sheikh because you told us earlier that Nothing wrong with Macdonald if it's HALAL :cool: 4. Thirdly, the banner of fighting in Iraaq, who si carrying it/ it is carried by Saddam Hussein at-takreetee ..... and Baathi party is secularist, disbelieving, heretical. Somali saying says " HASHU MARKAY DIIDAYSO MEEL AY KU XOQATO MA WAYDO " AS There are no seculars in Saudia, in Egypt, syria, Turkey, Somali Indonesia enz. or there is difference between the seculars in Saudia and those in IRAQ :confused: 5. So whoever said O ALLAH save the Muslim Society or Iraqi society (as the translater says that the Sheikh meant), then he has erred. this suupplication of his reaches even the Marxist and the Communist .... According this we shouldn't say O ALLAH save the Muslim society in Somalia, because this reaches Marxist, Communists, Warlords, Faay cali ENZ. Secondly the Sheikh contradicted what he already mentioned i.e in the Muslims there are Raafida (Shi'a), Secularis enz. so i'm asking our friend here Should we include tha DUA' to those Muslims? So, Salafi do you agree the Sheikh or disagree?

Salafi-on-line i'm happy that you come on board, First of all (1) this hijad, is it pertaining to offencing jihad or defensing jihad? have you seen the book where Sh. Shaqra differentiating between the offence and defensive Jihad, if you can find his book we'll assume that he meant the offensive jihad and not defensive jihad, but i'm sure yu'll not find it, thus he meant what he meant and in the cassetes he and sheikh Albani defended the pricipales of this book while Sh. A/rahman giving evidences from Kitab & Sunnah the obligation of Jihad. secondly what would you say the IRAQ WAR FATWA from your website(salafipublication) is this fatwa also stolen from the Sheikh or what? Finally, there is Somali saying which SAYS "Waxaan kaa celinayaa ma xeeradaa salkeedaa?" Is all what i'm preventing you not to insult our noble ULUMA and MUJAAHIDIIN and DAWA GROUPS? Sxb, Insult who you want to insult but i'm just remembering you these TWO QURAN VERSES in SUURATU ZUMAR "Verily, you will die and verily they too wiil die. Then, on the day Resurrection you will be disputing before your Lord" (39, 30-31) Sxb if this is not prevent you their insult i'm sorry to tell you no one else can help you. And remember those who gave you the justification to insult them (Like Al-Madkhali and his alike) they will not be with you that day they will have their own burden.

This is another gift for Salafi-on-line in order to keep his tongue off from Sayid Qutub and other noble ULUMA. 5. The Golden Letter From al-'Allamah Bakr Abu Zaid to Rabee' al-Madkhali The respected brother, Shaikh Rabee bin Hadee Al-Madkhali, Assalamu Alaikum wa ramhatullahi wa barakatuh… I draw your attention to your request from me to read the book attached: “Adwa’ Islamyyah ‘Ala ‘Aqeedat Sayyed Qutb Wa Fiqrih.†(Islamic lights on the Aqeedah & Ideas of Sayyed Qutub)… Are there any notes against it? And whether these notes mean that this project should be disregarded and never be narrated again? Or Is it considered from which that can be edited and qualified to be printed and distributed to serve as a reward for you in the day of Judgment, and as a guidance to those whom Allah wills from his servants. Thus I say the following: 1- I looked into the first page where the index of topics are listed, and I found topics against Sayyed Qutb, may Allah have mercy on him, that collects the basics of kufr, atheism, heresy, belief in Wahdat Al-Wujood [1], the saying that the Quran is created, the saying that it is permissible for other than Allah to legislate, the exaggeration in glorifying the attributes of Allah, not accepting the Mutawatir Ahadeeth, doubts in matters of Aqeedah that one must be certain about it, making takfeer on communities …etc from such topics that makes the believer’s hair stand on end. I felt sorry for the Muslim scholars around the world who did not pay attention to such destructive matters. Then I wondered why with such destructive matters, we find the spread of the books of Qutb on the horizon like the spread of the sun, the common people benefit from them, and even you (Rabee Al-Madkhali) in some of your writings. Therefore, I started comparing the topics with the contents. I found that the contents prove the opposite of other contents; and these topics, in general, are some provocative topics to withdraw the attention of the regular reader to bash Sayyed (Qutb), may Allah have mercy on him. I hate for you, me and all of the Muslims (to fall into) the zones of sin…It is from deception when a person talks about the good in front of whom he hates. 2- I looked, and found that this book lacks: the basis of the scholarly research, the Manhaj of criticism, the trust of quoting (from others sources), the trust of knowledge, (and) not transgressing on others. Regarding the etiquette of dialogue, the goodness of the approach, and the strength of introducing the material, then the above have nothing to do with this book by any mean… the proofs are: First, I saw that you depended in quoting old editions of the books of Sayyed Qutb, like the books: Fee Thilaal Al-Qur’an, Al’Adalah Al Ejtima’eyyah, while knowing, as in the margin of page 29 and other (places), that there are some revised editions that came afterwards. It is obligatory according to the basics of criticism and the trust of knowledge to criticize - if it was about the contents of the last edition of any book because the changes in it (i.e. the last edition) abrogates the previous ones. This thing, inshallah, is not hidden from your basic information, but it is probably a mistake of a student who prepared this information for you who was not aware of that. It is well known that there are many similar situations for the people of knowledge, for example the book, Al Rooh, of Ibn Qayyim, when many scholars looked into it they said: it is probably issued during his early life. This also happened in many cases. The book (of Sayyed Qutb) Al’Adalah Al Ejtima’yah was the first (book) that he (Sayyed Qutb) authored about Islamic issues. Second, the topic in the index of this book: Sayyid Qutb allows other than Allah to legislate, made my hair stand on end. I rushed to this topic before anything else. What I found out is just a single quote from lots of lines in his book, Al’Adalah AlEjtima’yah. His sayings do not confirm this provocative topic. Let us suppose that there is a general or vague sentence, why do we turn it into a takfeeri (blasphemy) matter against him to destroy what Sayyed Qutb based his life upon and what he dedicated his pen for: the da’wah towards the monotheism of Allah “in ruling and legislating,†rejecting the man made laws, and confronting those who committed that (legislating and ruling by other than Allah’s rule). Allah loves justices and fairness in every thing; and I do not see inshaallah except that you are about to go back to justice and fairness. Third: One of the provocative topics is your topic: Sayyed Qutb believes in Wahdat Al-Wujood. Verily, Sayyed Qutb, may Allah have mercy on him, said something not clear (that might make the reader think that he believes in Wahdat Al-Wujood) using the style (of literature) in commenting on Surat Al-Hadeed, and Surat Al-Ekhlaas, and based upon it the accusation that he believes in Wahdat Al-Wujood was made. You did something good when you quoted his saying in commenting on Surat Al-Baqarah, and his (Sayyed Qutb) clear rejection to the idea of Wahdat Al-Wujood. From these quotes (Sayyed Qutb wrote): “and from here we find that there is nothing in the true Islamic ideology called the idea of Wahdat Al-Wujood.†To add, in his (Qutb) book: "Muqawwimat At-Tasawwur Al-Islami†there is a clear response to those who belief in Wahdat Al-Wujood. Therefore, we say may Allah forgive Sayyid Qutb for these vague statements that he expanded upon using his literal style; and what is vague does not overcome the clear cut statements from his saying. Thus, I wish that you rush into deleting this hidden takfeer of Sayyed Qutb, and I feel sorry for you. Fourth, I say clearly to you with all respect, that under these topics: the contrary of what Sayyed Qutb commented on the meaning of La Ilaha Illah Allah, to the scholars and the people of language; and that he (Qutb) is not clear about (tawheed) Ar-Ruboobiyah and Al-Uloohiyyah. I say to you, my beloved, that you have destroyed, without making sure, all of what Sayyed (Qutb), may Allah have mercy on him, confirmed from the aspects of Tawheed and what it necessates and confirms, which occupied the major aspect of the long life of Sayyed Qutb. All what you (Rabee Al-Madkhali) said is nullified by one word: that the monotheism of Allah in legislation and ruling is from the necessities of the word of Tawheed. Sayyed, May Allah have mercy on him, emphasized on this a lot when he saw the corrupted courage to dismantle the legislations of Allah from courts and other places, and replacing it with man-made laws. Without a doubt, this is a great courage (the courage of changing the rules of Allah) that the Ummah never experienced before 1342 Hijri. Fifth: from the topics of the index: “Sayyed Qutb confirms the belief that the Quran is created, and that the speech of Allah is just the willâ€â€¦ When I went back to the pages that talk about that, I did not find a single letter where Sayyed Qutub, may Allah have mercy on him, declared this saying: “The Quran is created.†How do you easily accuse with these takfeeri matters? The only sentence that I noticed is his (Qutb) saying: “They cannot author from it—the Muqat’ah letters—a book similar to this book because this book is created by Allah and not by the humansâ€â€¦ There is no doubt that this sentence is wrong, but does this sentence make us rule that Sayyed Qutb confirms the kuffri saying that the Quran is created? O Allah I cannot tolerate the burden of this! This reminded me of a similar saying of Shaikh Muhammad ‘Abdulkhaliq ‘Atheemah, may Allah have mercy on him, in his book’s introduction: Studies on the style of the Noble Quran, that is printed by the Islamic University of Imam Muhammed bin Sa’ud. Do we accuse all people by the saying that the Quran is created. O Allah No. What we mentioned so far is sufficient in talking about the subjective perspectives, and this is the important matter. Talking about other perspectives: 1- The original copy of this book lies in 161 pages written by hand. These writings are different. I do not know of a single page written by you as usual, unless your handwriting differed from usual, or I missed up something, or you gave the job about Sayyed Qutb to some of the students, and each student wrote what he found under your supervision, or by your dictation. Therefore, I cannot confirm that this book belongs to you except by what you wrote on it that it is authored by you, and that is enough in considering it to belong to you. 2- Even though there are differences in the handwritings, there is a common trend; This book has the common trend of the disturbing manner, the continuous anger, the same jump on the sentence to generate huge mistakes, rushing into conclusions where there is a possibility to prove otherwise, and depending on the vague sentences and leaving the clear ones, which is a solid rule that do not accept any argument about it….This is considered as betraying (violating) the Manhaj of criticism (named): Al’Haydah Al’Elmiyah. 3- Regarding the style of literature, if we were to compare it with the style of Sayyed Qutb, then this style is of descending style. The style of Sayyed (Qutb) is high. If we considered it as your (Rabee’s) style, then it is very elementary, and does not suit a student of knowledge who has great degrees. So there should be a balance between the literal taste, the ability of using the language and clearly presenting the matter, and the beauty of presenting; or otherwise the pen should be broken ( i.e. otherwise do not bother writing it). 4- The common trend was the trend of anger and frightening which overtook the scientific Manhaj of criticism, thus your response lacked the etiquettes of dialogue. 5- This book from its beginning tells the end has an offensive trend and narrowness in mind and lack of patience in the sentences… why? 6- This book creates a new hizbiyah that establishes the trend of making tahreem here, and nullifying it there; and to call this a bid’ah and that person a Mubtadi’, to call this deviancy and that person a devient… whithout enough proofs. This also generates ghuroor (i.e. deception) of being religious, being proud to the extent that when one of them does that he (thinks that he) gets rid of a huge burden from his back; and that he is saving the Ummah from falling from an edge; that he is considered of a high example of Wara’ (fearing Allah) and gheerah (jealousy) on the rulings of Shari’ah. This (Judging) without making sure, is a way of destruction, even if it is considered as a high constructed building, its destiny is destruction and disappearance with the winds. These are six aspects that this book enjoys, which made it not enjoyable. This is what I see regarding what you requested. I apologize for being late to respond to you, but I used not to read the books of this man (Sayyed Qutb), even though it is popular amongst the people. However, the dangerous remarks that you talked about made me do lots of readings into his books, and I found in his books many good things, a great faith, clear truth, exposing the plans of the enemies of Islam, and some mistakes in the contents and saying some things that I wish he never said. He nullifies lots of these things in other places, and to be perfect is hard. This man was a great writer and a great criticizer, and then he moved towards serving Islam through the great Quran, the noble Sunnah, and the beautiful Seerah. This shaped his attitude regarding the issues of his time. He insisted on his attitude (to continue what he is doing) for the sake of Allah. He also clarified the issues about his past. It was requested from him to write some words of apology, and he said his faithful and famous word, that "I will not use the finger which I raise for shahad’ah (i.e calling to Tawheed) to write something against Tawheed…" or a word close to this. Therefore, the obligation of everyone is to make du’a for him that Allah forgive his sins, to benefit from his knowledge, to clarify his mistakes, and that his mistakes do not make us not benefit from his knowledge, or to abandon his books. Consider, may Allah protect you, his situation like the situation of those of the salaf like Isma’eel Al-Harawi and Al-Jilaani, and how Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah defended them, even though they fell into many awful mistakes, because the basis of their approach was to defend Islam and the Sunnah. Look to the (book), “Manazil Alsa’ereenâ€, and you will find strange things that cannot be accepted; however, you find Ibn Al-Qayyim, may Allah have mercy on him, making excuses for him and not accusing him, as he clarified it in the book “Madarij As-Saalikeen". I also expanded on this matter in the book “Classifying the people between doubts and certainty,†and I put some rules regarding it. In conclusion, I advise the brother in Allah, not to print this book “Adwa’ Islamiyyah..â€. It is not permissible for this book to be distributed or printed because of what it has of the exaggeration, and the training of the youth of the Ummah to slander the Ulama’ (scholars), and to put down and disregard their virtues. Forgive me, may Allah bless you, if I was harsh in my sentences, but it is because of what I saw from your exaggeration, because I want the good for you, and because your eagerness to know what I have about him. This is what my pen wrote, and may Allah correct the way of all of us.. Wa assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi Wa barakatu….

first here are all the salafi websites,this character and his book is no where to be found, "www.salaf.dk" i do no know him nor do my friends, i have made an extensive research and "ziiiiiiiiiiiip" I told you, you're new member and your friends too if you don't know Sh. Mohamed Shaqra. never once hid anything, but i gave you what the scholars said, concerning certain individuals, and just like one of the other nomads tried to defend Innovator sayid Qutb with a letter attributed to the Noble shaykh Abu Bakr Zaid, who himself admited it was stolen from him, nor did he give permission for distribution, nor did he sign the phamplet! "Innovator Sayid Qutub" Don't you fear ALLAH, do you know that Sheikh Albani himself was encouraging youths to read his TAFSEERUL QURAAN book as well as "MILESTONE" book. Don't you know he was excuted becuse of his refusing to praise and accept an oppressor ruler (Jamal A/nasir orders), don't you know that just before his excution he was offered everything he wants including Minister of Religious affirs if he withdraw his opposition of the government and allow man made rules (as the Quraysh did to our prophet S.A.W.), don't you know his golden respond when they offered him everything, he said " I will not use to write the oppressor orders to the same finger which I witness the ONNESS of ALLAH " (he meant in the prayer - TASHAHUD -) Is this man deserves to call as INNOVATOR. and when I defend such men you're saying me FEAR ALLAH, who should ferar ALLAH me or the attacker those who sold their lives and their wealth to their LORD. Salafi-on-line call me defender of innovators or any other name you like I will defend all noble ULUMA and MUJAAHIDIIN and DAWA GROUPS, SALAF and KHALAF. and i will also expose the reality of your group in order to prevent the youths to fall the trap that you've fallen. Regarding the website i'm sorry i just gave the HOME but this is the exact link where she can find the article and i'm sure she will not get more excerpts thatn i mentioned, the only way that she can see whole the book is to buy from NEO SALAFI bookshops. http://www.islamicawakening.org/viewarticle.php?articleID=24&pageID=401&pageID=386&

Silent Sister, You Welcome I'm very happy to discuss with you about this sect, since i know them more than 10 years. So, don't hesitate to ask me any question about them not only you but anyone else who wnat to discover them. Regarding the book (and many other articles you can find this website: http://www.islamicawakening.org/index.php? Finally has Salafi-on-line ever show us this FATWA or he was only collecting opposite FATWAS from their website and yet he is accusing me one-sided :cool: . I recomended him to read this FATWA in order to keep his tongue off from Sayid Qutub and other ULUMAS. 5. Legal Verdict Regarding Sayyid Qutb Ibn Jibreen Article ID: 23 | 178 Reads Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Office of the Presidency of Islamic Research and Legal Verdicts Question: Some youth call Shaykh Sayyid Qutb a heretic and prohibit the reading of his books, and they say a similar statement regarding Hasan al-Banna, as they also say regarding some of the scholars that they are Khawarij. Their argument is that [they do this] in order to 'expose the errors [of these men] to the people,'. even though [these youth] are until now [only] students [of knowledge]. I hope for a response so that doubt may be removed from us and others, [and] so that this [phenomenon] will not spread. Response: All praise belongs to Allah alone. To proceed: It is impermissible to [unjustly] call the Muslims heretics or wicked as is evidenced by the statement of the Prophet SAW "Whoever says to his brother 'O enemy of Allah,' and he is not such but that it returns back to him." While in [another] hadith 'Whoever calls a Muslim an infidel it returns back to one of them.' While in another hadith: "A man passed by another while he was doing a sin and he said to him, 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you.' So [Allah] said: 'Who is he who can pass judgment on my behalf that I will not forgive so and so, I have forgiven him and have nullified your deeds.'" With this I say, Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al-Banna are among the scholars of the Muslims and among the people of da'wa. Allah has brought benefit by them and through them He has guided many people. They both have efforts [for Islam] which should not be denied. For this reason Shaikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz interceded on behalf of Sayyid Qutb when the order for his execution was given. [ibn Baz] was gentle in his intercession, but President Gamal [Abdel Nasser] did not accept [ibn Baz's] intercession, may Allah send upon him [i.e. Abdel Nasser] what he deserves. When both men [i.e Hasan al-Banna & Sayyid Qutb] were killed, each was referred to as a martyr, as each was killed unjustly. This is borne witness to by those close [to them] as well as by the general public. As it was widely spread in the papers and books without anyone ever objecting. Moreover, the scholars have received their books [with acceptance]. No one has attacked them for more than the [last] twenty years. If some [heresy proceeded] from them, then [these mistakes] are similar to an-Nawawi, as-Suyuti, Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn 'Atiyah, al-Khatabi, al-Qastalani and the likes of many of them. I have read what Shaikh Rabi al-Madkhali has written in his refutation of Sayyid Qutb and I found that he has placed statements where they do not exist. For this reason Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid, may Allah perserve him, refuted him. Likewise, [al-Madkhali's] unjust attacks of Shaikh 'Abdur-Rahman ['Abdul-Khaaliq] and his [twisting 'Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq's words] in order to find errors which would make ['Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq appear] misguided, even though [shaikh Rabi] befriended him for a lengthy period of time and he never found any such errors [in the past]. And the eye of pleasure sees every fault insignificant, But the eye of hatred always finds fault. Dictated by Abdullah ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Jibreen 26/2/1417 AH

plus this man by Sh. Mohammed Shaqra. is majhul(unknown) no one has heard of him, or this book you speak off! maybe you can give us a brief introduction This is clear evidence that you're new to this group. if you need more information about this group just PM me i will provide you in detail. Mohamed Shaqra Sxb, is Jordanian Sheikh and he is one of the closest Sheikhs to late Sh. Albani. His famous book "Hiya as-Salafiya Nisbatan wa 'Aqidatan wa Manhajan" (It is Salafiya as an Appellation, Creed and Methodology)" is a one of the Treasures of the SALAFIYAH JADIDAH. The first time I heard this book was around 7 years ago from 4 cassets called "HIWAARUN FIL MANHAJ" "Debate in the methodology" by: Sheikh Abdiraxmaab Abdulkhaliq from KUWAIT who regarded hismself as SALAFI on one side and Sh. Mohamed Shaqra and Sh. Albani on the other side. To summarize these cassetes: Sheikh A/rahman critisized the contents of this book (as we didi here) Sheikh Shaqra then raised the issue to Sh. Albani and Sh. Albani defended the book and its author (Sh. Shaqra) and criticized Sh. A/rahman abdulkhaliq and Sh. Salman Al-awda accusing them to be IKHWAANS (I know in Egypt is a crime to be IKHWAN but outside Egypt :confused: ), I remember one of the attenders defended Sh. Salman saying he is not IKHWAN but Sh. Albani responded him we're talking about the MANHAJ, Is his MANHAJ ikhwani or no? and the defender said even his Manhaj isn't IKHWANI etc. In this cassetes Sh. Shaqra defendig himself and his book (infront of Sh. Albani) by saying he didn't read my book very well, he read half of the sentces etc. but Sh A/rahman is reading whole the sentences and sometimes whole the paragraph and asking the audience if he cut some words or not completed the sentences etc. One of the most significant parts of these cassetes was when Sh. A/rahman breifing the profile of Sh. Mohamed Shaqra, he mentioned a poem that Sheikh Shaqra was praising to Saddam Hussein during IRAN-IRAQ war and it was really laughable. So, Sxb. I surprised when you said I don't know Sh. Shaqra and his book while your group regard this book the principle of the salafiyah.

sahal.... hmm, instead of cutting out one or two lines from a whole book, and telling us how u translated it, why dont u just cut and paste the whole chapter or the whole book,,, Silent Sistah, Do you want me to write whole the book in this thread Is that ALLOWED? where is the COPYRIGHT? "Hiya as-Salafiya Nisbatan wa 'Aqidatan wa Manhajan" (It is Salafiya as an Appellation, Creed and Methodology)" by Sh. Mohammed Shaqra. What you can conclude if you put together these quotes from different pages of the book? "None may open the door for jihad nor raises its banner; nor permit it, nor called for it - except a single imam [over the Muslims], whether the people like that or not." (p. 200) "We ask as to why the umma cannot stand up to fulfill the issue of the obligation of jihad? This is because jihad ... is not to be [allowed] except with [the existence of] an imam and his [subsequent] permission. In this, it is similar to the hudud and punishments. These are not to be applied or established except by the general imam [ruling over all the Muslims]." (p. 194) "And hence, if it is not in the ability of the umma, to stand up in [fulfillment of] the duty of jihad due to the lack of a [single] amir (khalifa) [over the Muslims] who ties its banner, permits [its undertaking], and places a leader over the army; jihad [then] becomes among the impossible obligations [to fulfill]. And hence the umma does not sin by forsaking jihad." (p. 196) "The best jihad today ... is to hold back from jihad." (p.204) n Arabic ( AFDHALUL JIHAD AL-YOWM HUWA TARKUL JIHAAD ) "He [who goes forth for jihad] is escaping to sin, going forth to [Divine] punishment, committing suicide with an arrow of Allah's wrath which he reaches for and thrusts into his breast." (pp. 199-200). In Addition read the whole fatwa on IRAQ war from the cults Favourite website (salafipublication) in my previous thread. Waiting your conclusion! N.B. I already said i am ready to discuss if anyone proves me wrong about my findings . please look the book again and again and prove me wrong; I appreciate!

Oh Sahal,Oh Sahal Why don’t you Fear Allah…. Who should fear ALLAH, Me or the one who says "The best jihad today ... is to hold back from jihad." .... Me or the one who When asked if the Ikhwan and Jamaat at-Tabligh are among the 72 sects destined for Hell, he replies "Yes". ..... Me or the one who said "whoever said O Allah save the Muslim Society, then he has erred. this supplication of his reaches even the Marxist and the Communist. and the Ba'ath Party is at the front of the [supplication of the] one who supplicates for the Iraaqi society" ... Me or the one who said " Is there any evidence from KITAAB and SUNNAH that we oppose the oppressor rulers" BE fair and Be just ~~~ stop this script based on spite…. But if you must, at least Fear Allah and publish both sides…. When you were copying from your website have you ever shown us other sides view? Big NO I am copying both from your website (salafipublication) and your opponents website. Don't be Just? Finally, the only thing you can do is to tell us if you agree or disagree of what i copied from your website. otherwise listen your elders advice "Don't discuss with those who know us very well" :rolleyes:

4. Are the ULUMA agree with this cult as they always claim? This is the respond from late Sheikh Bin Baz (rahimahulaah) to one of this cult leaders who asked the Sheikh to label Sheikh Ayedh al-Qarni, Sheikh Salman al-Awdah, Sheikh Nasser al-Umar, Sheikh Safar al-Hawaali and Sheikh Abdul Wahhab at-Tareeree as innovaters and khaarijs etc. The Fatwa of Shaikh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) Defending the Honourable Shaikhain Safar and Salmaan Date: 10/4/1414 AH From Abdul Aziz ibn Abdullah ibn Baaz to the honourable brother...............may Allah guide him to what pleases Him, Ameen. Assalaamualaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu: I received your letter in which you are asking me about listening to the tapes, speeches, lectures and books of the preachers and scholars, such as Sheikh Ayedh al-Qarni, Sheikh Salman al-Awdah, Sheikh Nasser al-Umar, Sheikh Safar al-Hawaali, and Sheikh Abdul Wahhab at-Tareeree, and whether they are innovators, and [saying] that they were from certain deviated groups, and that they are not Salafis but are Khaarijis, and asking about the rule concerning backbiting them, may Allah provide you with His guidance. Answer: Their tapes are beneficial and they are NOT innovators NOR are they Kharijis, and BACKBITING THEM IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. On the contrary, ONE SHOULD DEFEND THEM, like any person of knowledge among Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, although no one of them is infallible, and such are others among the scholars, everyone can make mistakes or can be right, and thus one takes what is right from his talk, and leaves what is contrary to the truth. And one should maintain that they meant good as much as he can, and maintain a good opinion of his brothers. A sound hadeeth of the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, says: "Every son of Adam commits errors, and the best of those who commit errors are those who repent". And it was related in a sound hadeeth that he said, "Surely, when the judge makes ijtihaad and arrives at a correct judgment then he has a double reward, and when he makes ijtihaad and misses the correct judgement, then he has a single reward." And such is the case of the REST OF THE SCHOLARS, whoever arrives at the correct opinion has a double reward, and whoever misses the correct opinion has a single reward, if he is among the people of knowledge and is honest to Allah in his work. I ask Allah to guide all of us to what pleases Allah and benefits His servants, along with a protection from deviating turmoil, He is All-Hearing, All-Near. Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahe wa barakaatuhu. Mufti General of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia And President of the Council of Leading Scholars And the Departments of Scholarly Research and Legal Verdicts Abdul Aziz ibn Abdallah ibn Baaz ........................... And more will come INSHAALLAAH

Some of you criticized me when I say these people are SICK. So whoever said O Allah save the Muslim Society, then he has erred. this supplication of his reaches even the Marxist and the Communist. and the Ba'ath Party is at the front of the [supplication of the] one who supplicates for the Iraaqi society. So i'm asking you now can we say this person (or call him Sheikh if you like) is feeling well or he is heart-blinded? According this groups FATWA, if today any muslim country is attacked by enemies of ISLAM (including two Holy Mosque Country or Saudi Arabia) we have to say: Firstly, not all Saudi, Somali Sudani, Pakistani etc Society is Muslim, Rather amongst them is Bathist, Rafidah, Nationalists, Tribalists, secularist, disbelievers etc. which means their Golden Rule: "The best jihad today ... is to hold back from jihad." (p.204) n Arabic ( AFDHALUL JIHAD AL-YOWM HUWA TARKUL JIHAAD ). :mad:

4. Their Stand on Invasion of Iraq which, whole the world (except US & UK) were aginst it. and look the footnote 1. How they changed the Sheikhs word "Muslim Society to Iraqi Society" , and also look how they're angry of boycotting American products and remember Salafi-on-lines statemnt " What is wrong with MaCdonald if it's Halal" :eek: And finally, don't forget that this website (salafipublications) is their Favourite website. :rolleyes: http://www.salafipublications.com/