Xenophobia towards the only people who do labour and low skill jobs that allow any country to survive in the first place. Somalis do it to their own, so no surprises that some are justifying it with outsiders in this case.

From South African reporter who was covering his press conference. http://twitter.com/#!/khadijapatel Reporter from Sapa asks why Turkey or SA does not recognise Somaliland as a state. #Erdogan #Erdogan: "Impossible to call Somaliland government an effective one. Somalia is going through a rough patch"

lol @ these fairy tales about far off Arab sheikhs. Eritrea openly funded Hizb Al Islam but they stopped once they merged with AS. They clearly are almost entirely funded through internal sources. They control a significant amount of territory and a port in Kismaayo. All businesses under their territory are forced to pay a tax. Also I have read they have sympathizers in the TFG who sometimes divert funds and weapons. Point is they are not some hugely complex militia that needs billions to operate. The sources in Somalia alone are enough to sustain it. The sources they got from outside are minimal in comparison that is is for sure.

RaMpAgE;749111 wrote: Back to the good ol days of corruption, what else can you expect when you put a dugsi teacher as head of a country. Back to ? When did such days end ?

LOL Skimmed through the article, then I read who the author was. Figures.

Gotta say its pretty clear Libya is a very xenophobic/racist place. NYTimes detailed article on treatment of African migrants/workers http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/world/africa/05migrants.html?partner=rss&emc=rss There has yet to be any solid evidence of large numbers of mercenaries yet they are detaining anyone with dark skin without qualm. All unarmed as well. Many Somalis amongst the detainees according to HRW and Amnesty.

Che -Guevara;744396 wrote: Apparently Bani Walid surrendered and members of the Qaddafi inner circle crossed the border to Niger. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-libya-idUSTRE7810I820110906 Many more crossed to Niger. I find it telling the Americans are making demands of Niger to detain the convoy but made no such demands of Algeria.

Well done, he is a special athlete. Hope he wins two gold medals in London next summer.

GaroweGal;744033 wrote: Is anyone hooked like me? Did anyone see Mo Farah win silver? Personally, I am NOT a fan of him. I felt somewhat sorry for him all the hype, Maskiin. Now Ibrahim Jeilan on the otherhand, is someone Mo Farah should aspire to be like, just the way he uttered Allahu Akbar and immediately went into sujoodul-shukr. Mo Farah looked at him puzzled, perhaps a little embrassed, luckly at last he too made a sujood. Poor Kiddo next time. Hopefully by then you will have hair and you will still NOT have my cheers. Can't wait to see Bolt take the stage in the relay. Yipii. Like poster above just stated, he always does sujood in all of his races. Why aren't you a fan of him? Great athlete and he looks to be a lock on the gold at next year's Olympics.

nuune;743567 wrote: Your welcome walaal, while therebels are busy trying to hold key important places and institutions, the West will benefit a lot, and that is what it really wants, to see the rebels busy at themselves, this will prove that the West and UN will intervene and send their own ground troops and peacekeeping forces to separate the warring factions and to guide important places like the refineries!! Libya is not like Iraq where you have Kurdish, Shi'a and the Powerful Sunni minority Libya is not like Afghanistan where the existence of clans or tribes is zero to nill, either you are Pashtun or Kiintaal, or Uzbek and Tajiks who migrated from their countries long time ago. Libya is even more dangerous than the Somali system of clans, in Somalia, clan system exist where there are about 4 or 5 clan system, the descending sub-clans clans do come from these 4 or 5 clans. In Libya, there are 140 tribes(confirmed number), each one of its own existence, and does not have any lineage or relations with the other, that is a fact, the most minority one's which only number less than 10,000 are the Black Libyans, or the Tuareg That creates a problem, it already created a problem and power vacuum, which tribe will accept to be governed by smaller tribe. Fact, the biggest tribe did not participate the fighting, the second biggest tribe that is of Gaddafi one did not support the rebels. Another fact, since the 2 biggest tribes were against the rebels, then everything else is minority, which minority tribe will accept to be governed by another minority tribe. The complications of the tribe system is not something that can be even resolved by power sharing between the rebels, how did Gaddafi managed all those tribes is something the experts are weighing right now in order to fill the power vacuum. That is my little two cents. There are also key differences within Iraq and Afghanistan specifically that you have overlooked. For one there isn't a visible presence of foreign ground troops and that is huge. Also Libya doesn't have the problem of hostile competing neighbors like Iraq and Afghanistan. Saudi Arabi and Iran, as well as Pakistan and India played a major role in the outcomes of both those countries often funding and supporting competing factions. Libya's geography helps protect it from this problem.Gaddafi's tribe is not one of the biggest that is not true, its well established they are smaller in comparison to the biggest ones.

Che -Guevara;739074 wrote: Goldcoast-There's deep rift among their factions. This was initially caused by breakdown of relationship between Roobow and Godane factions. Roobow tribesmen paid the highest in terms of executing the war in Mogadishu. Awey's inclusion in AS ranks also raised tensions. The general treatment of the public by AS foot-soldiers was concern as the draconian rules imposed on the people became unbearable and finally, their response to the droughts was amazingly inhumane. Bay, Bakool and Gedo factions were absolutely opposed to the idea of chasing international NGOs since it is residents from these regions that were dying the most. Zack-I don't run away from anything. How do you see their hold dimishing in rest of Southern Somalia? AMISOM mandate is limited to Mogadishu, and TFG and its allies don't seem capable of such an operation. Rifts are relevant but I think it is premature to predict where this goes in the time being.

Che -Guevara;739058 wrote: AS made the biggest plunder. I'm afraid their days might be numbered. Expand on this thought. I'm certain a underground guerilla insurgency will follow now. They undoubtedly have cells that remained. Either way it'll be interesting to see how the TFG capitalizes on this. Im very pessimistic on that front.

This website is worth checking out. Donation links and events set up by youth throughout the the diaspora: www.feedsomalia.com

I find it incredible that there isn't even a single focused thread on the issue here.

Jacpher;735525 wrote: Nothing more than a photo opp. For whom?

^ Huh? Did you even read the article?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3604474/Gunman-executes-brtwo-teen-friends.html

Quite the predictable argument to try to frame the argument for secession along the progression of the rest of Somalia. Are you insinuating that if, you do get responses that do indeed show examples of progress, the argument for secession is weakened?

This sets a terrible precedent. However I refuse to count Ghaddafi as some sort of anti colonial martyr, as has quickly become the case.

Che -Guevara;703414 wrote: How's it different? I'm not naive enough to believe the West's interests are humanitarian in this escalation, however I am not partial to either side of the narrative. Are Libyan deaths more relevant at the hand of American bombs as opposed to their own? This reminds of Somalia in relation to the people who fume against civilian deaths at the hand of the TFG/Amisom but remain silent if AS are the perpetrators.

This is quite clearly a propaganda page created by an AlShabab sympathizer that is targeted towards an English language audience. There is zero objectivity in any of the posts, and its entirely created to place AlShabab in a good light. The flowery rhetoric sounds eerily similar to a distinguished AS supporter on SOL lol.

Why are people so satisfied with accepting the status quo and continuing flawed traditions even in the diaspora? When ethnic Somali "minorities" are treated as horribly as they are, there is no surprise such xenophobia based on mythical practices will be extended to visible minorites as well.

Axmed-InaJaad;699377 wrote: amiirka is busy fighting foreign black merceneries. what r u doin for somalia? Adhom attack won't change the point. He has commented on a wide range of topics outside of his conflict with AU troops and TFG. Why the silence here?

So let me get this straight. The "Amir" hasn't commented on the pornography case because AlShabab is being pragmatic in its war. Ha! Isn't this the same 'Amir' who has had time to pass decrees and make mentions of the most diverse range of issues ranging from sports to clothing. Since when did he or AlShabab find an issue not worth commenting, especially with regards to religious norms? What gives?

Moral superiority and self righteousness at it again I see.