Originally posted by Bachelor: JB!! brother..... Hypoticially, let us say he cooperate with Meles and many freedom figthers from O*gaden region put either in jail or handed over to Ethiopia? It can not get any worst. people in that region have no life my fried. On top of the drought oppression by the TPLF is a daily dose. Dear Bachelor ... His comming vissit to Ethiopia and his "Thank you Ethiopia" speech will reveal alot. let us see how FAR he´ll go

As to C/Y i am hopeful and optimitic that he wont let those people down. Brother Bachelor .. i THINK i´ve to disappoint YOU and remind YOU how A/Yusuf let his Puntland ppl DOWN by imposing his authority over them again after they tried to apply thier constitution and choosen Jama Ali Jama as their leader. To wish and HOPE that the VERY same person will care for the Somali race as a whole is like custing a DICE and wishing for 10 OG_GIRL .. ( my beloved teacher ) To judge from A/yusuf´s priority 1: to lean on Ethiopia for weapons to take on his political enemy both inside his clan and outside. 2: to satisfy them by handing them ANYONE they see danger to their goal (in the name of terrorist wipe out). 3: to do WHATEVER it takes including the CLAN card to hang on to POWER. It´s difficult to see him deliver the Moral and Militry AID the ppl og Og*denia need soo bad to make their rightful CASE heard. on the contrary .. i see him calling them terrorists,i see him handing OVER, i see him trying to convince them to FORGET about their cause.

We KNOW the neighbouring countries have their political intrest in SOMALIA , last one to remind us was Daniel Arab moi. Now why Both Ethiopia and Kenya are VERY happy with A/yusuf ? a sell out? Now why the United states , Great Britain, Italy, ALL the EU and the majority of the Somali people from south Galcaio to Kismayo, from Ari ade to Saylac are VERY dissatisfied with A/yusuf? The wrong person was picked by currupt and illiterate MPs? what do you THINK?

It is about time to go AHEAD , the cheap shots of propoganda are back firing . Somaliland ppl and their leadership has shown where they stand regarding the selection of A/yusuf ( the VERY person whose malitia took over towns and cities in Somaliland ) as a president of Somali Federal republic.

Uncle Yalaxow and A/yusuf will NEVER coexist let alone cooperate for number of reasons, to name few 1: Yalaxow = Ato = indha cade = Hiiraale = Ahmed Warsame, etc etc , in short A/yusuf´s nightmare. Those politicians are ONLY waiting for the 1st attempt of A/yusuf to interfer with the Jubas or hint a militry build up for such an ambition, since they KNOW what HIS position IS. 2:Yalaxow beleives A/yusuf is a (A) sell out of a future "Somali galbeed" (b) Wrong person to address the somaliland issue © lucks all leadership qualities . * quoted by someone CLOSE to Yalaxow * The ONLY way forward for A/yusuf seems to be to give up his clan based ambitions in the south and SHOW show political maturity and willingness to build bridges among this shattered nation again.( i doubt if A/yusuf realisez this ) simply it is a matter of choice . 1: choice to save his clan and all somali clans from another bloodshedding and WORK for nationalisim. 2: TRY to take on his inter clan and ouside clan enemies and continue the saga. Judging from his past I beleive A/yusuf will go for the 2nd

After 14 years of political depression came few hours of emotional outbrust "Yes WE are the President" then came the hursh reality for A/yusuf and his SOL cheer leaders, namely they´re asking themseves the Question " what can we Do now?". and the answer is NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. A/yousuf is spending his days n nights making frequent vissits to MIGHTY Mogadishu guyz hotel rooms asking for their HELP to make it WORK in the first place. This is a dissappointment for some of the cheer leaders dying for revenge Mogadishu guyz (the Nolanders) decide weather to declare the 14th somali reconciliation confrence DEAD or successful( does the "SHOE SIZE" of uncle Yalaxow ring a bell?) Now . b4 the analysis and the wishful thinking take us into the deep waters of illussion, let us TRY to answer this pragmatic Question. Now WHY are Mogadishu ppl so powerful? 1: They´re needed for EVERY thing to make somalia stand up again. 2: They´re needed to make the long awaited(wished) militry threat to Somaliland. 3: They and THEY only Can redesign the MAP. Hargeisa have a dilemma in their hands Now somebody should reverse that and eat their words. Dream accordingly na,mean

Judging the polls(confirmed by some Nairobi based foreign observers ) Oct 10th Presidential elections dosen´t favor A/Yusuf. Asuuming that becomes reality plus knowing the MAN and his childhood dreams and his overall obsession to POWER i WONDER. 1: How can the other WARLORDS convince this ego? will a ministerial portofolio DO? 2:How Puntland State reacts if he declares the outcome NULL n void? (remember the hurdle agreement he signed n then went that he was decieved) 3:How will Somalilanders react to such incident? Will it open a reentry hole for them?

Originally posted by HornAfrique: I have to agree. Time for a U turn? time to lick the CUT n bash Hargeisa ppl? What is the RULE of engagement here? you may laugh but never show ALL your teeth cause it ain your Victory? Come on guyz ... don´t corner XARAGO who chooses to share the burden with us , She´d already been turned down by the international community , the AU the Arab league etc etc ... JUST look away n pretend that she NEVER left.( she and her Somaliland actually NEVER left)

Originally posted by Nugaali: The Yu-Yu have to be happy with Otali. He can read and write in a coherrent manner to promote their selfish and doomed ideals for Somalia. For that, Otali is a hero! Cheers. Now that you´ve SPOKEN,and deleivered ya verdict on my heros n came up with a name like " The YU-YU" lemme deteriorate your already sad n helpless psycological situation and deleiver a nightmare . My hero´s have designed, formed and implemented a superp political vission, Boi did they deleiver or did they deleiver. Nationalist. Bro i can see the scars Otali left on ya Ego, so i don´t blame ya. In case you haven´t noticed Otali Is missed by all the elite ( sorry u dnt belong there )ask SNW , XARAGO n many more WD banned ?.. WHAUUUUUUT?... i diden´t know that. Boy, GREAT men NEVER last. i miss WD n his Joy sticks . Rahima That hurted OG-GIRL ,My Dear teacher, You never needed to Speak Arabic to make me understand a complicated gesture , All you need to is gimme that LOOK

Who is questioning the JVA´s Power to secure the CITY KISMAYO while they´ve secured BOTH the Jubas and all the cicites there?. The ppl Of Kismayo(of diffrent sub clans) are releifed that The Morgan agression is rebulsed and they´re back to their normal daily lives. a new law at place in Kismayo .. NO GUNS in TOWN, let alone armed gangs and the stuff Nugali IS talking about .

First of all i´m so honored to resemble or be precieved as OTALI , ( god i miss that boi ). I hope i can deleiver half of what he used to. we´ve a habbit of steppin onto some nerves and getting banned so i´ll try to survive a bit longer than OTALI I Hope The Admin takes your longing to my dear Otali and unbans him. then again beein JB itself is a legendry thing , ask OG_GIRL what a brilliant student i was in her classes. Rahima i´m not our beloved Otali n your accusations are possitively accepted( i just diden´t KNOW that i& Otali had so much in common ). Geesi .. Borther share with us your source of info where Sheikh Indha cade admits beeing part of the Morgan chasing act ,except in the earlier version of the chasing act :cool:

How do one respond such a "calaacal" post? am sure the girls Xarago,n Rahima are laughing thier *** off. ooooh dear Nationalist ... have we degraded your glamorous Puntland? have we called your beloved leader a Warlord? Have we questioned his legality as the President?, have we reminded ya of Jamac Ali Jama (the real legal puntland leader), have we chased your (beloved and cheered b4) MORGAN (a distanced looser nowadays cause of his defeat) etc etc . well, we´re sorry nailing a PIN in ur HUGE bubble ego My sheikh is beeing accused of accupying his OWN hometown Marka , All my leaders are beeing reffered to as Warlords irrestectively, alll my Worriors are beeing called "Moryan", rag thugs etc etc ,but heeey who cares , they´re not your puntlanders . Now what do you exactly want Rahima to tell ME? that Morgan maybe is a Warlord but NEVER A/Yusuf? That Sheikh Indha Cade ( may Allah give us more of his clibre)burned Dhobley and is accupying his own hometown?. it ain ya fault, whenever hypocrite gets confronted with hursh realities , they dug their head in the sand and scream .. " NOT me, NOT mine". I recomed you to stay at the Romance section or take OG_GIRL´s quick course on SOL politics , it sure pays off :cool:

Sensual one , OG_GIRL left nothing , she told you how it exactly is, but if you luck a Warlord to side with JOIN our camp , we got variety of them :cool: but then beware .. if we virtually end up in a virtual "The Haegue", you´re on your OWN

Dear OG_GIRL, my teacher The circumstances in this froums´s polical section is a Dog eat Dog world n turned me into a virtually Lethal warlord. i know you gonna put me on trail for this but i´ll always blame ppl like SNW, XARAGO, HA, n OTALI . Somebody (a common mutual freind to us )whispers me that Colonel Ali Dheere is of your sub /sub clan. A colonel in the Army of Somali Democratic Republic who changed loyalty and camp quite often, who is a bitter enemy to your sub /sub clans in Afmadow and around. A power hungery persona without a political vission. i´m sure you´ve better channels for INFO :cool: Smiiiiiith ( damn , i feel like Captain crook in Peter Pan), are we into the sellective qoutation AGAIN?, come on , on a level DAWG !!. The leaders of Dhoobley represent the ppl of Dhoobley but they´re NOT the ppl of dhoobley. my last drop on the ISSUE . colonel Ali dheere and his team , Morgan and his militia are to BLAME. aight The JVA are partly to blame for using accessive firepower at a TOWN (if that holds in the RULE of engagement ) my heart goes for the civilians of dhoobley and the worriors of the JVA who fell in this VERY town. my ALLAH take them to his paradise for they beleived and died for a JUST cause

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: As for Yusuf Inda Cade, dear the people of Dhoobley and their leaders on the ground blame the man. The man already occupies Marka, Barava and yet you over look him and attack Yey, why? Is that not hypocracy, is it not being baised? Dear Smith , There are Times when one has to lend a shoulder to lean on TO a respectable contender, This is one of those moments !! Let me be the one who breaks the BAD news to you and tell you that Sheikh Yousuf Indha Cade IS BORN n RAISED in MARKA, Now that plain fact absorbs the "to B logic" in your "xag xagasho" of Sheikh Yousuf Indhacade, Your so called ppl of Dhoobley aka(Self styled Colonel Ali Dheere and co ) have to find a scapegoat since admiting that they lost to soley the JVA is unacceptable to them , so Sheikh Yousuf Indha cade makes a prefect victim. 1: he belongs to the wrong political WING, "samata bixinta". 2: he at least supports the JVA morally. 3: He took part of bashing Morgan in the earlier round of this doomed agression of Morgan. 4: it has became STANDARD for any looser to shout .... A Sheikh ... Al-itihad...Al-Qaida Now That you KNOW your Demon is actually livin in his Birth place choose another TOWN as his victim TOWN :cool:

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: JB, have we got another Otali on our hands, or has Otali resurfaced Second Puntland is a show that you have no part in what so ever. hahahahah Bro Smith i don´t KNOW how to answer ya , but lemme have a GO here anywayz . All i can tell you is that i´m a newbie from " Ruun nirgood " , but i can assure you that i´m NOT Otali. Politically i´m the student of OG_GIRL :rolleyes: I´m of diffrent Clibre YET share blood and policy with OTALI so in that sense i & Otali make NO diffrence for you n your doctorine Now let us eloberate on the Issue at HAND . Is A/yusuf legally the president? or is " la joojiyaana banaan , la jiifiyaana banaan"?

I read somewhere that according to Puntland constitution A/yusuf looses POWER if he takes another JOB ( now he is a MP of the federal parliment) or if he is OUT of the country for 60 days. NOW what happened to the so called constitution? Will A/yusuf continiue to B The president of Puntland , does he have any intentions to follow the Constitution? How powerful are those in the Parliment of puntland? OR WAS IT ALL a "ONE MAN SHOW" as we doupted it?

Dear HA , i understand you deeply and cherish your sympathy for the civilians at Dhoobley. don´t get me wrong , NOTHING is wrong with beein emotional.I´m not taking JOY of the situation of those who lost home n life at Dhoobley,ain that insensitive , BUT Those at Dhoobley(Colonel Ali Dhere) and Likes who invited Morgan and his troops have to UNDERSTAND the grim reality of WAR. If you make your town a Base for aggression to Kismayo and other cities , you automatically MAKE your town a TARGET, n THAT is what happened. Now Mr Smith an Interview AGAIN with Mr Ali Dheere after the Dhoobley difeat. " Barre Hiiraale was leading the force who were here and the first thing he asked was he was looking for ME , but i diden´t show up , i diden´t want to talk to him" so Your Ghosts Aydied , Indha Cade etc etc was NOT there

My point is crystal clear bro .. it is SAD that it´s the ppl of dhoobley who paid the price, but NEVER blame the JVA .. the were forced to fight against Morgan n his malitia a street to street fight at Dhoobley. You guys will do just about ANYTHING to make indha cade "the Marka Born sheikh" druged into your defeat. it kina hurts to see Hiiraale and his JVA beeing the SOLE force that defeatd Morgan and his militia well ..wake up .. it it TRUE. As for the looting and rape etc etc ... come on , try to be a respectable looser . Yeah .. the ppl of Dhoobley know better ... they were livin in peace until their Mayor invited Morgan and his malitia, unlike Afmadow who told him to stay AWAY. The ppl of Dhoobley know that the JVA left Dhoobley when they made SURE that Morgan headed the kenyan border. YET , the JVA is the ONLY partner( where is Morgan and his thugs ) that is willing to HELP the ppl of dhoobley rebuild. as for us (the JVA) , this sad Story is passe , now we´re into rebuilding everything that SAD war costed us.

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Bari_Nomad, thanks for the pics bro. Dhoobley was indeed tragic incident for the innocent Somali's who reside there. May ALLAH give them the strength to recover. It reminded me of Aydeed's millitias looting of the south in the early 90's. There you go again Mr Smith !!. let me present facts again for both the rather emotional HA and BariNomad and Smith . The ppl of dhoobley ( at least their leaders ) gave shelter to Morgan and his Puntland malitia( he´d his HQ there ). That very efternoon HornAfrik had an interview with Colonel Ali Dheere Dhoobley´s self styled mayor. He told HornAfrik that he´s seen Morgan and his forces and the Force he´ve seen were so powerful that neither JVA nor anyother force could stop them. in short he showed where his sympathy lied , so The JVA had their forces in place , and friday morning 4oclock their Eye in town confirmed the presence of Morgan and his troops , the Fuel supply, the food, ammunation supply , the airfeild and the imprisonment of all the PRO JVA etc etc so the moved IN. Now having given the background of the events and the circumstances as THEY WERE, can you blame soley the JVA? i guess not. Smith n BariNomad are still yellin the name indha cade so high, but HA knows better. facts 1 :Morgan took over dhoobley and made it his headquarters,supply base and prisoned/punished all the pro JVA 2: The JVA had nothing against Dhoobley and it´s ppl b4 Morgan was there. 3: JVA moved out of Dhoobley when they made sure Morgan left n was headin to the Kenyan Border. 4:Hiiraale himself was leading the JVA forces that clushed with Morgan´s at Dhoobley. 5: the JVA never got or needed any help from indha cade or Mogadishu , that is how powerful they´re. Now who is to blame? 1: the self styled mayor Colonel Ali dheere who put Dhoobley under Morgan? 2: Morgan who brought malitia and his headquarters to dhoobley to INVADE kismayo? 3: The JVA who fought Morgan´s malitia street to Street at Dhoobley and FREED Dhoobley and LEFT it? You decide The ppl of dhoobley haven´t asked Morgan to come but few shortsighted anti JVA did and put the ppl of dhoobley at the line of fire. sad but TRUE ps / HA ... your simpathy is surely towards the 70 dead "mujaahids" and 40 injured "Mujahids" of the JVA . That is what it took you to chase Morgan OUT and rebulse his agression.

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: I hope it works too many of our boys have died on both sides. You should´ve know netter b4 leaving CEELBERDE singing Puntland State Anathem For the boys from Mogadishu, you still on first gear. As long as there is peace in Kismayu, by the bullet or by talks we win, and when I saw we I mean Horn and Me. well .. i guess I and HA already beat you to that since WE the JVA won the war and the peace. Call us what you like but we´ve a coalition of mutual respect we pray together , we fight together we live together and we take care of our ppl (about a million )in the Juba regions together peacefully . I wish the same could be said about your coalition with the Las anood boyz.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: I am sorry Baashi, but Morgan is defeated and the helpless locals will suffer as that is always the case in a time of war. Revenge killing, looting and rape is sadly part of the game. I hope your family is doing ok. . First of all i hope Bashi´s family survived. but the part of the post where revenge killing and rape are mentioned to b part of the game is proven WRONG. today we know what happened in Dhoobley ( even the BBC had their repporter there ) but it is understandable how Mogadishu guys are feared n demonized. This post and Mr Oodweyne´s post reflect a phenomena know in the field of psycology as " the Stockholm syndrome" namely the victim falls in love with the perpetrator. Mr Oodweyne´s theory shows how south somalia is taken over by the Nolanders ( as if it belonged to puntlanders and the Nolanders are aliens from Mars), it is obvious in his theory that Nolanders(the perpetrators) are very smart and leaving no room for mistake to let puntlanders(the victims) IN. LST had actually his feet on the ground when he said ( let us hope things are not that bad). ofcourse they are not that bad . i JUST would like to tell Mr oodweyne and those who share his dogmatic theroy that there are HUGE puntland communities living among and side by side with the Nolanders everywhere in Somalia including MOGADISHU . and TOGETHER we´re the loosers of the somali civil war, not only YOU. The fact of the matter and the reality at the ground IS , HIIRAALE´s JVA, XAABSADE´s RRA, BIIXI´s GEDO guyz, SUUDI´s SSA, CAATO are under the umbrella of "samata bixinta" a political coalition soon to be political party, and That is where the moral support of the mogadishu guyz to the JVA comes in. sipmle as that. THIS is the new somali politics , The TRIBAL street politis are passe

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Look Morgan if in Kenya or in Zaire, matters not for the people of Kimsayu will get back their homes soon insha Allah. hahahahahahah, it is so funny seeing you getting whipped by XARAGO, beside the propoganda and loyalty to uncle Morgan/A.Yusouf inc ,i tried to save you a face by asking ya to declare Hiiraale a winner n wrap the whole thing as a meaningless war, but emotions were running high. remember what i said about Las anood child/soilders in my well qouted post?! . XARAGO see how your persona became a target just cause you hit a sensitive button by asking this question ( where is Morgan? ). let me answer XARAGO´s Question n get caught by OG_GIRL as a virtual WARLORD XARAGO .. MORGAN is 5km to Kismayo,he is at a place called "nowhere", he is bringing with him the OWNERS of kismayo, Hiiraale is injured and were seen fleeing to Gedo region. SmithNwestern see what i did , i just made Morgan a winner , so lean back n learn , this is yet ANOTHER oportiunity for you to HURRA Hiiraale. Xarago just like you n HornAfrique i too wondered why we(Mogadishu guyz) Nolanders if u like are not represented in this fourums political section,(well , neither we nor you own the place, and for some weird reason you guyz are more toletared than us ).

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Morgan is not defeated yet, Mr SmithnWestren just listen to yourself , incase you´re not aware of it you´re sounding like TYSON when beaten ( "i´m not knocked YET" ). learn to live with it Hiiraale is on his way back to the parlement where he´ll as a civilised politician and a member use his vote, now that we´ve seen how brilliant he is using his guns Also the clan that inhabits Dhoobley and Afmadow have been draged in to the conflict and it is spreading. The inhabitants of Dhoobley and Afmadow have been living side by side with JVA peacefully since the last MORGAN/PUNTLAND attack and according to them that´ll be the case for the comming 100 years. so don´t even TRY to drug them in , they´ve already declared their position, it might hurt you knowing that they don´t want to participate in bloodshedding. There is many deaths on both sides, the JVA have not been able to destroy Morgans troops and the alliance from Marka/Mogadishu have been badly shaken up after the inhabitants of Dhoobley turned on them. Beeing a bad looser and blaming the Mogadishu guyz for your defeat won´t help. for once in your life be man enough and acknowledge Hiiraale the JVA leader a winner. The day Mogadishu guyz are in it for real, GAROOWE will be the battleground , not Dhoobley Now we´re more concerned of the fate of those kid soilders you sent to Las Anood, if Somaliland decides to close it´s borders since the outcome of Nairobi is not in their favor,you´ll probably abandon them to their fate just as you did with Morgan Its not as clear cut as Yusuf Garad hoped. here i would like to qoute (if i may) XARAGO a very much on the issue Somali from somaliland. " Oohintu oohin orgi ka weyn " .

Originally posted by NGONGE: Or maybe, just maybe, this is some “confused†way to prove a “confused†theory that you have. I’m confused now, saaxib. Please rescue me from this confusing paradox! lo00000000ol ... i seem to have confused more ppl than myself unintentionally. I don´t think Qudhac normally uses these phrases also somali is ETHNICITY not NATIONALITY just like ARAB is ethnicity and not nationality, .....just like WE ALL SOMALIS no matter where our borders someone is sure yelling "i´m from Somalia and my nationality is somali " at this very moment. :eek: Suldaanka .. come on man ..LAND on SomaliLand instead of SomaliSOIL .. so i can call you a LANDER , yes a SomaliLANDER Xarago probably KNEW something i do´n´t know when she tried to keep NGONGE away from this thread:D Now i´m more confused than when i started this topic NGONGE sxb as confused as i am ,i hereby recognize Somaliland as a soverign state with somalilanders (somalis) as it´s inhabitants .. am i putting it right ? i don´t want the (Ulster) Unionists die hards on ma neck To wrap things up i wanna thank you all for keeping it clean, specially NGONGE for confusing us more whenever he hears Somaliland . he just has to pick that lil flag