Originally posted by Salafi_Da'wa: I thought you were/are a Shayria student...dont they teach you anything in your little shia schools?!? :rolleyes: This is plain animosity towards OG_GIRL for her beein the one with the DEEP knowledge of the subject at hand , n see who Salfi ( the would be wadaad ) personalisez it and goes this LOW. if you feel defeated in the debate , there are 2 way to go ahead. 1: Insult others and try to personalize the whole subject to get others off the topic . 2: be humble enough and learn from your mistakes while encouraging and thanking others for doing their homework. our borother Salafi_da´wa .. seems to have the first way out .. what a pity .. what a way . argue to make a point not to make to someone´s nerves , for the sake of the subject at hand .

Nothing is more fatal than a SOLE correct idea !! ( this is my VERY own ,, not a Fox or cbs anchor ) Thank god this is virtual forum , Tahliil n co are so selfrightoes they give no chance to others who encounter the issue fronm another angle,(probaby the kina ppl who smash ya when ya cross,m ). Thanks Mr Guardian !!.. i guess your liberal view will prevail, no matter how much they try to paint you either Red or Blue. These hard n uncertain times push the otherwise normal ppl to the orthadox corner. A true open-minded liberal is the one that dies trying to give others a chance to disprove him. NEVER will we give in for dogmatisim n threatening , we´re too sophisticated for such old tricks. If you can´t stand that ppl think diffrent than you do .. it´s about time to book in for psycho-therapy

Are you sure that you´re as OLD as you claim ? how come i haven´t noticed , and i´ve been reading all yoru posts , guess what .. IT DOESEN´T SHOW !! just kidding old man !! on a real note though .. you´re exactly repeating what your generation does BEST, namely ASSUME , ASSUME and ACT upon that assupmtion ,, that is FINE with us .,... we´re USED to it . I think my generation( i hope i´ve one )KNOWS what the would be TASK is, but due to a better offer from the WEST and negelgence from OUR counterpart generation back home ,we QUESTION the genuineness of the TASK.

There is nothing to worry about !! We should encourage a multi-dimentional Somlai society. We´ve seen what a homogeneous 99% sunni-muslim society with a nomadic culture can do !! let us try a society that tolerates indiffrence n multi-belifs , Maybe it is the ONLY way ahead. Personally i prefer an open-minded Somali christian to a typical dogmatic somali "wadad". not that the 1st is better or theologically more correct than the latter , but it is JUST that i HATE the blind preception of the Somalis beeing so selfrightoes n correct. in my humble view Somalis NEED to learn both (their) Islam and ALL OTHER RELIGIONS to either endorse or reject but respect.

Juma Bro .. No single soul out there beleives that there can B someone who can fill the vaccum A/yusuf leavs behind , So STILL he leades Puntland from nairobi. Juma ...Since the the cock is away playing with OUR chicks, The Hens back in Puntland are competing of hatching in the BEST position.

Originally posted by Jumatatu: ....kudos to casha maxamed khaneyare, mulki osman catto, mana muse sudi, luul xussein caydiid, hooyo qadro maxamed dhere...etc.... Jumaaaaaaaaaa .. lo00000000000000000000ol Juma bro .. Imagine me n Muna Muuse suudi having virtual romance while cheating with luul Xusein Caydiid. what a fiasco Juma Bro ... the real deal IS they can´t sell A/yusuf to the ppl no matter how they market him. Those chicks of ours will as usual AGAIN declare that their crush on the Colonel´s loose boot,the Kenyan "ugali" and the phoney MP status was nothing but an illusion. Smith abti ... thses USC chicks run from south Galcaio to Liboy, how could we want them continue "the fight" while there is NONE to fight them? . last one was that hairy chick of yours (the world record holder of the 10,000 m to the kenyan border "Xersiyo M.Saeed " aka Morgan ), and they diden´t even need to engage her .. they kept painting their nails in the saloons of Nairobi hotels.

Hey Yo Somalilanders! Yo Jumatatu and Ngonge( the tiny flag man ) , will you EVER rest n STOP hitting our FEDERAL government ? why don´t you guyz concentrate on Hargeisa water project? We may even BRING the Federal government to Hargeisa with the HELP of the international peace keeping forces. . sorry guyz .. i just coulden´t help

1st of all there is ALWAYS a POLITICAL reality, so denying it or submerging it to other realities is nothing but futile excuse. in my (otherwise biased) view, the political reality in our homeland is this. A:The somali(nomadic) culture hasen´t endorsed the "world order", wich is based upon NATIONHOOD. Our culture is confined to the clan borders, nothing beyond that mattres for our culture. This is our socioeconomic problem B: Demographically we (somalis) cover huge area in eastren Africa that can be sustained ONLY through political vission that is based on NATIONHOOD. this is our problem with our neighbours. C:The present political elite IS a lost genertion,a by-product of the indiffrent Nomad culture and the Clan based political vission, two contradicting realities. This is our problem with the Warlord leaders, we coulden´t produce better. D:We share common geographical n enviromental problems with the nations in east African. This is our share of the African continent problem E: Our willigness to have a soverign Nation , a home State for all ethnic somalis is in it´s weakest ever, the peek was under the colony times and it was declining ever since. This is why the "Somali weyn" vission is dying , and beeing replaced by " maxaa iga galay" ( hell i care ) So , if we´ve a Somali problem formula that looks like this . Nationhood - the A: problem -(The B:problem + The C: problem ) times The D:problem devided by E:problem. Today´s political reality = (Nationhood - A -(B+C)*D /E ). So dear LSK according to the Formula at hand OG_GIRL would be better president than A/yusuf

The extent n depth of the hatred towards Mogadishu and it´s ppl varries among ppl from the countryside. For some, they HATE Mogadishu becouse it happens to be the Capital that happens to be situated in the heart of a hated Clan. For some ,it´s their birth place,( like ME ) but becouse of the bad memories related to that particular city, a place of childhood memmories, a place they sure would do anything for to be able to retire to, but maybe the thought of them not beein able to do that MAKES them prefer to PAINT Mogadishu n everything that is associated with it BAD. I later come to know that Mogadishu used to be like " Haj " (Mecca) for some. ( according to a well know n qouted poet from O*adenia ). For some, Mogadishu and those who were born or raised there ,ARE hated n disliked JUST becouse they´re the lucky ones to have lived in the ONLY cosmopolitan city in Somalia They went to school,universicy,colleges, they used to go to cinemas,theatre, "serie A " football, events n occations that NEVER took place in any other city or town in Somalia. The person who is trying to portraite Mogadishu as a village of starving camels n wreckage of civl war Tank sure suffers from a deep depression. I think our Japaneese worrior ( samurai ) falls into this category. Though Mogadishu is the ONLY city that suffered most in the past 14 years of the civil war STILL it is the leading Commercial center ( in " Bakare" market millions of US dollas exchange hands daily, there they SET the exchange rate that effects even Addis n Nairobi, local phone calls are free of charge, high buildings( our version of sky scrappers) ) are uncountable. though it is uncompareable to Western Capitals .. ( Garbage collectors are on STRIKE since day 1 of the civil war ) STILL Mogadishu (the city of almost 2 million )is the Place to B when Somalia comes into mind.

Xarago, Sweet thing !! The Colonel n his kinsmen are in NO position as to appoint governers or Mayors and re-establish, renew, or resume the Hey dayz. reality on the ground tells us that they´re the loosers in the Somali civil wars. actually they paid an UNFAIR price if u ask me. Xarago huuno 1: Do you think Somaliland would take a smother n more possitive position given that the outcome of the Nairobi confrence was diffrent? 2:Do you see any hope for Somaliland/Somalia negotiations despite the rhetoric from Hargeisa?

1st of all let us NOT forget that Ghedi is appointed by A/Yusuf weather it is a DIRECT order from his masters( The Ethiopians ) or it is his own calculation is actually irrelevant. The problem is the RULE of the game is VAGUE . The power of the President has to be defined and distingusihed from that of the PM in the dull CHARTER. As for the Persona Ghedi he sure belongs to post-warlord Somalia , the man shoulden´t accept the nomination in the 1st place , but due to homesickness n ounces of partiotisim he thinks he can deal with a warlod dominated parliament n a colonel president. Nonetheless, in terms of clan lines we expect no less than TOTAL devotion of Ghedi. though we´ve ppl who are better suited in that matter. After all the GREAT Mogadishu n south Somalia ppl´s political intrest is firmly guraded by Ato,Suudi, Hiiraale etc etc

Originally posted by ORGILAQE: He has managed in that short time reach an agreement with all the major objectionist and scored a great goal by choosing an impartial PM . If that is the case then WELL DONE Mr president , but what was the fuss for foriegn troops about? hasen´t he scored? hasen´t he managed to reach out n make agreements? aren´t all the warlords now MPs and i.e onboard? or is it maybe just MAYBE he needs foreign troops to WIN him the hearts n minds of the Somali ppl?. Originally posted by Bari_Nomad , Justcause, Mobb_deep: To Start with Mobb_deep ...you shoulden´t show that SILVER front teeth of yours.. Xarago sure won´t DARE kiss ya (kidding) As For JustCause ... time to vissit the Dentist AGAIN too green .. u sure u don´t chew KAT? ..kidding Bari_Nomad .. When you smiled somebody yelled TAXI ( kidding ) Originally posted by Rahima: JB, you know something is not right, when those who hate the idea of Somalia are having a laugh at what you say (you might think they are laughing with you, so do not be deluded). Rahima ... I thought i´d been cursed by the rare disease of beeing "Mr Rahima confuser".... i guess it´s about time to confess ..you´re confusing me more. Nationalist i´ll try not to be a Donkey though it is soo tempting . but am afraid i´ve to break the bad news on ya ...i do ADORE Ms Xarago n i agree with her on many points politically. What you don´t (maybe can´t)understand is that though i´m against Somaliland breaking away and Xarago beleiving in the contrary .. STILL we´ve a solid ground for healthy discussions. So i hope there is more to those phony smiles . Originally posted by RUDY TRUDY: believe homie aint gonna recover from these words! hes history! kiss him bb(bye bye) let me him run around the world... u be here a yr after, hommie .. i coulden´t agree more . Just wish that some ppl could distinguish between a raw deal n real deal.

Now that the honeymoon is OVER ,A/Yusuf is not ONLY a president without Capital he seems to have LOST the political momentum. The cheering of his kinsmen n the emotional outbrust of all the moderate somalis of all walks of life has ceased becouse of his ambiguous ( unilateral ) call for a foreign troops to keep an undefined peace and unarm invissible terrorists in Somalia , and the speed of the reconciliation process among the Somali clans ( which NEVER started ). No government is in position to THIS day , let alone a functioning government in Mogadishu . Soley his unilateral cry for foreign troops and the candid resposnse from the AU n the international comminity has apparently taken the cream out of the momentum. Xperts beleive that both the failure of his call for the foreign troops and him beein sucked into the Mighty Mogadishu ppl´s policies in the process of trying to pick a PM,and the demands from his masters in Addis were just too much for the militry man. Some beleive that his advisers ( puppets from Puntland ) are to blame for the loss of the mumentum becouse of their inability to metrialize on the willigness of the OTHER Somali clans to reconcile. Personally i THINK A/Yusuf is Incabable of deleivering it...... What do you see ? please motivate it ..

I´ve talked to my LAWYER ,.. JUST incase

Smith Abti ... you got me almsot smiling ... JB making things up . here is YOUR link http://qarannews.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1936&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Smith .. Abti ... i just can´t get HOLD of that LINK again.. i´m SURE ppl from SL already SEEN it n can provide that LINK . The Girls´s name was MAKA or MAKO and the incident took place in Puntland as a revenge to what happened to Samsam. First when i saw that Story i was like ( oooh not AGAIN ) though am in NO position to deny or confirm the incident i Just coulden´t get off my head SamSam version 2.

This Topic has been abused for sometime now .. but ... what about the NEW incident of a girl THIS TIME from SL named MAKA , again on a vissit,this time in Puntland getting raped , tortured , etc etc by PL police ???? Please ppl for the sake of the few hours we spend on SOL n the cleanness of our othrwise meaningless political burps , not to mention the REAL ppl concerned, let us give it a RSET. Those mistreated girls stories won´t add to my already strong anguish or to the already DEEP hatred between SL n PL Abti Smith you or your source shoulden´t show her pic. need i reason as to why ? i guess nat

One needs a lil bit higher IQ to ENJOY Togane´s twisted way of Joking ... i must say though it´s his personal view,he makes it clear that Togane n his Angel fish are not satsified with the way things turned out. Rahima .. to Enjoy Togane´s poems or like the persona , you either have to have an IQ of 125 or higher, or deep knowledge of the Donkey riders culture. Ask OG_GIRl

Originally posted by Rahima: JB, do you even care about the plight of our brothers or is this just a cheap shot at CY :rolleyes: ? You are blurring the line here. Rahima honey ..A/yusuf DOESEN`T need my help to RUIN it. He is doing that pretty well by himself. As they say .. Run u can , but can´t hide here i ONLY presented FACTS and ALL you could come up with was calling it a cheap shot, without proving how cheap and baseless my view might have been. Is this YOU reasoning on healthy grounds or the U-turn is TRUE and the hedgehog´s dfefence machanisim is up n running? Was i you .. i´d dealt with the FACTS at hand instead of the probability of JB beeing Anti-A/yusuf and bringin the ISSUE up. Dear Rainbow ... "Concentrate on the BASE´s problem , so i can have time to pacify the territory, as i´ll see to it that the base is NEVER stable" IS exactly Ethiopia´s GAME

Mr Bachelor , Jamaal-11 , Muraad and my beloved teacher OG_GIRL I might been precieved as blind baised Anti A/yusuf when i started this thread, well day of Judgement is here now that the colonel has vissited Ethiopia , he gave this Interview. to be precise his answer to him beeing " The Ethiopia man" weather he beleives in "great Somalia" Correct me if i´m wrong , but with this persona as the head of the State , ONLF and many freedom fighters have no shoulder to lean on in Somalia. http://www.mudugonline.com/2004/october/301004maanta1.htm

1st.. i don´t think he´ll pull it off , but if say a miracle takes place and he makes a U turn and learns to coexist with his political ememy n plays by the book. I beleived him when he said he´ll DIE trying to do his JOB ,in another words trying to hang on to POWER. Setting up an enquiry , let alone an independant enquiry is NOT in the colonel´s vocabulary.

Originally posted by rudy: amxaar! over my dead body! cy, bro u stink to high heaven! if he does it, kiss him goodbye!! :mad: :mad: Dear Rudy Trudy ,You may not make much of fuss in SOL´s political section, but u inject a badly needed DOS of humour every now n then. i can´t help but ENVY ya !!

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Smith I would agree with you, but so far President Abdulahi Yusuf hasn't given Jumatatu or JB any reason to support him! Abdulahi Yusuf has yet to convince reer Muqdisho and all other Somalis that he plans to stand for siinaan, midnimo, iyo cadaalad. Abdulahi Yusuf should just retire peacefully then bring more buuq if that's the case . Dear HA , i coulden´t agree more !! Smith ( abti ) .... We´ve NO government to support or oppose YET. All we got is a weird CHARTER ( constitution ) a president who appeals to the submission of the ppl instead of appealing to their hearts n minds a warlord dominated parliament neighbouring countries who¨ll do ANYTHING to devide Somalis, using all those pwer hungery pawns. and last but not least .. a blind SOL cheerleaders who fail to distinguish between the MAN n the process As for me n Jumatatu .. ( i can ONLY speak for myself ) The process is OUR process , even though the outcome could been BETTER. .

From what i heard .. Adhi Adeye IS populated and inhabited by kinsmen who belong to MIGHTY Mogadishu kinsmen. If the frontline doesent move either towards Las Anood or towards Buroa in the comming hours... We´ll have to dispatch Mogadishu Militia to SAVE our kinsmen. Maybe just Maybe that is what it takes to make peace up there.

1st.. It is terribly SAD seeing A/yusuf´s cheer leaders ( our own Nationalist in particular ) admitting that this Colonel A/yusuf used Ethiopian troops against his kinsmen, in reasoning and defending as to " WHY ETHIOPIAN TROOPS SHOULD COME TO SOMALIA ". Tell that to the ppl of Puntland who lost relatives in the hands of the the Colonel and his Ethiopian troops in PUNTLAND. 2nd..Calling ONLY some of the thousands of diffrent militias in Somalia [a Cancer] while accusing OG_GIRL ( the most experienced virtual politician ) of beein too emotional is ridiculous if not disgusting. 3rd... Mogadishu and South Somalia are and will STAY " Ethiopian free zone " . The ppl of mighty Mogadishu made it clear that , and Mogadishu is NOT Garowe ( The US Rangers can tell you about that ). If you,your Colonel and the Ethiopians THINK that you can repeat what you did in Puntland in Mogadishu and South Somalia , i must disappoint you and tell you to WAKE up from the dream. Last but not least .. We´re amused by your LOGIC and reasoning. The Ethiopians were reported not to have violated any laws in Puntland at all and immedeately left Somali territory when their mission was accomplished. ^^^ looooooooooooooool ^^^ What a logic ! what a nationalist!!