cant say i have heard that so i cant really comment on that, sxb Thnks sxb JB and/or Northern & Co can anyone help?

I think the honourable Edna is referrring to the confederation that happend between ..... Oh is she ... Edna, Sorry i haven't looked at the author OK.. A.J Sxb.. what about when she said we are ORPHANS of the QUEEN .. what she was referring to it?

Ladise and gentlemen... Imagine today that Prime Minister or ministry of Defence or Ineterior of Kenya orders Kenyan Army and/or Police to hand their weapons in to the Kikuyu or Lui gangs, what would happen in Kenya. Omar Arteh Ghalip did excatly this in 1991 soon after he was nominated as Prime Misinister by Ali mahdi. He ordered Somali Army to surreder their wepons to then three rebels (SNM, USC and SPM) and the same day the tragedy of Somalia has been started and still going on. From Ottanga refugee camp (not to mention those who died on the roads acrooss Somalia and the sea - Indian Ocean and gulf of aden) to Ceelasha Biyaha today, Omar arteh is ultimately responsible for all those who died by dismantling Somali Army and Police who would protect them from these suffering. haven't you seen the latest news from Kenya who protected criminal gangs from Nairobi Town centre and many other areas in Kenya and you've just seen in a matter of minutes that the police have not arrived how 50 people were burned ALIVE. unfortunately (as far as i know) this man is walking FREE in Hargeysa streets and perhaps chewing KHAt in its mafrashs ..... and everyday new victims are falling for a CRIME that he is fully responsible. ILAAHOW SOOMAALI CADAWGOODA TUS

Mr Northern i'm telling you one thing take from me. your dream of seccesion wil become illusion just like as you couldn't believe your EARS when C/lahi Yusuf was elected as president of Somalia (including northern regions). the same thing will happen when you heard Africa, Britain and US recognise him as president of whole Somalia and the next will be the president visiting hargeysa ..... and i'm sure you'll disapear from SOL then

he meant Puntland Next door

Juje check this website http://www.somalilandnews.com/ odayguna malaha wuu qayilayaayi ha ka nixin ... Oh i forgot af soomaaliga meesha ku qorani wuu khaldan yahay Eray ahaan iyo Spelling ahaanba. DHIGASHADDA labo D ma aha waa hal D, midda kale maxaa la dhiganayaa? ma darin? ma caws? ma baabuur? ma diyaarad? aaway BAABUURKII?

No i'm not prepared to retract my earlier statements but if someone is blind how can you explain him/her the beauty of Nature for example ..

^^ Do they do this everytime he leaves the country, saaxib? Ngonge you're right sxb, these are 2004 pictures from somalilandnews.com oo waagaaas bassiin beeshay. JB wanted to fool us another web plagiarist was caught :mad: if you don't believe me go to the above website and check yourself.

Northen, You're Right, Somaliland is Right, Puntland is wrong, TFg is wrong

ARE THESE (all from SOL) ENOUGH OR YOU WANT MORE Maxkamadaha oo sheegay inay rajaynayaan in Somaliland dib ula midawdo Soomaaliya dabayaaqadda sannadkan Reuters- Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ah ee ka talliya Magaalada Muqdisho iyo deegano kale oo ka mid ah Soomaaliya, ayaa markii u horaysay caddeeyay inay u qorshaysantahay inay wada hadal la gallaan dawladda Somaliland si loo helo Midnimada Jamhuuriyadii la odhan jiray Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya. Masuulka Golaha Maxkamadaha u qaabilsan Dacwadda iyo Warfaafinta oo lagu magacaabo Sheekh Cabdiraxmaan Cali Muuday oo u waramay toddobaadkan Wakaaladda Wararka ee Reuters, ayaa sheegay inay rajaynayaan in dabayaaqadda sannadkan ay helaan Midnimadii Soomaaliya ee burburtay, “Waxaanu doonaynaa inaanu la hadalno Dawladda taagta daran [Dawladda Cabdillaahi Yuusuf], waxa kale oo aanu doonaynaa inaanu la hadalno Jamhuuriyadda la baxday Somaliland, waxaanan rajo weyn ka qabnaa in aanu helno Midnimadii Soomaaliya dayaaqadda sannadkanâ€, ayuu yidhi Sheekh Cabdiraxmaan Muuday. Waxa uu sheegay in Maxkamaduhu ka soo horjeedaan nidaamka Federaaliga ah ee ay ku salaysantahay dawladda Cabdillaahi Yuusuf, ee lagu soo dhisay dalka Kiiniya, fadhigeeduna yahay magaalada Baydhabo ee gobolka Bay. Waa markii u horaysay ee ay Maxkamadaha Islaamiga ahi cadeeyaan inay doonayaan inay wada hadal la gallaan dawladda Somaliland, balse Sarkaalka Maxkamadaha u hadlay ma cadayn xilliga iyo qaabka ay doonayaan inay Somaliland kula soo xidhiidhaan.. Madaxweynaha Somaliland Md. Daahir Rayaale Kaahin, ayaa ku celceliyay inaanu marnaba wax wada hadal ah la galaynin Soomaaliya ilaa ay tallada dalkaas qabato dawlad dadkeedu soo doorteen. Muqdisho: "Gobolada Puntland iyo Somaliland kama jiraan wax maamullo ah oo ay dadku u madax banaan yihiin" Xasan Daahir Aways. Axad, December 03, 2006 Muqdisho (AllPuntland)- Gudoomiyaha golaha shuurada ee maxkamadaha magalada Muqdisho Sh. Xasan Daahir Aways ayaa waxa uu sheegay in maamulada Puntland iyo Somaliland aysan ka jirin maamulo xor ah oo ay dadku u madax banaan yihiin. Aways oo waraysi siiyay idaacadda Daljiri ayaa waxa uu sheegay in aysan jirin qorshe cad oo ay ku doonayaan in ay xilligaan ku aadaan gobolada Puntland iyo Somaliland, balse ay qirsan yihiin in maamulada ka jiraa aysan ahayn kuwo xor ah oo ay dadku u madax banaan yihiin. Waxa uu sheegay in xilligani qorshayaashooda aysan ku jirin in ay weeraraan, balse ay haboon tahay in ay is badal ka sameeyaan. Waxa uu Aways ka hadalay qabsashadooda magaalada Diinsoor, waxaana uu sheegay in dadka magaaladu ay u yeerteen ayna sidaas ku tageen. Mudane Aways ayaa waxa uu sheegay in magaalada Baydhabo aysan haatan u socon, balse hadii ay dantu ku khasabto ay aadayaan. Xasan Daahir Aways ayaa waxa uu intaasi raaciyay in ciidamadoodu ay tagayaan mel waliba oo ay shacabka joogaahi uga yeertaan, isaga oo ka gaabsaday in uu ka hadlo doonitaankooda ay ku doonayaan in ay ku qabsadaan gobolada ay maamuladu ka jiraan. Maxkamadaha Muqdisho Ha ******** Inaanu Culimo Iyo Shicibba Ka Midaysannahay Jiritaankayaga Somaliland†Badhasaabka Togdheer – Shir-Jaraa’id Burco, October 17, 2006 (Haatuf) – Gudoomiyaha gobolka Togdheer, Cabdi Xuseen Dheere ayaa shalay xafiiskiisa shir-jaraa’id oo uu ku qabtay waxa uu kaga hadlay kormeero uu ku soo maray degmooyinka gobolka Togdheer, kuwaas oo uu sheegay inay ahaayeen kuwo uu ugu kuur-galayay xaaladda nabadgelyada guud iyo xaaladda nololeedba. Sida uu ku soo waramay weriyaha Haatuf ee gobolka Togdheer, Axmed Aadan Yuusuf, Badhasaabku wuxuu shirkiisaa jaraa’id ku sheegay inay roobabkii gu’gu si wanaagsan uga da’een dhammaan degmooyinka gobolka, isla markaana nabadgelyadu ay fiican tahay, wuxuuna intaa ku daray in sababta uu u kormeeray degmooyinka gobolku uu ka kooban yahay ay ahayd si xog-ogaal uu ugu noqdo xaaladahaas, isagoo sheegay inuu dadka degaamadaas kala hadllay arrimo dhowr ah oo ay ugu horeyso buu yidhi: “cajalada been-abuurka ah ee jidh-dilka la sheegay in lagu sameeyay ninka maxbuuska ah [Maxamed Sh. Ismaaciil],†isagoo intaas ku daray Badhasaabku oo yidhi “Waxaan u sheegay in wax allaala wax ka jiraa aanay jirin ee la doonayay uun in qarannimadeena uun wax lagu yeelo.†Badhasaabku isagoo ka hadlaya hadalada dhawaanahan ka soo yeedhaya kooxaha Maxkamadaha Muqdisho, waxa uu sheegay inay yidhaahdaan had iyo goor cid baa noo joogta gobolada Somaliland, “balse waxaan leeyahay ha ******** in iyagana cidi noogu dhex jirto, dadkayagana aanu annagu is ognahay culimo iyo shicibba, aananu ka midaysannahay nabadgelyada iyo jiritaankayagaba,†ayuu yidhi Cabdi Xuseen Dheere. Waxa kale oo uu gudoomiyuhu dhaliilay hay’adaha miinooyinka ee ka shaqeeya degaamada gobolka Togdheer, waxaanu sheegay in miinooyinku ay halis ku hayaan dadka degaankaas oo aanay hay’aduhu sidii looga baahnaa wax uga qaban, dadka degaanadaasina ay aad uga cowdeen dhibaatada ay miinadu ku hayso. Waxa kale oo uu Badhasaabku sheegay in dadkii dhammaan degaamadaas uu soo maray ay u cadeeyeen inay heegan u yihiin qaranimada iyo jiritaanka dalka Somaliland, cid kasta oo ku soo xad-gudubtana ay il gaar ah ku eegayaan. Waxa kale oo uu gudoomiyuhu ka dayriyay xaaladda dadkii ay hore abaaruhu u aafeeyeen, kuwaas oo uu sheegay inay magaalooyinka waaweyn ku soo qulquleen cidina aanay waxba u qaban ee ay u baahan yihiin taakulo. Gudoomiyaha gobolka Togdheer, Cabdi Xuseen Dheere wuxuu hadalkiisa ku soo geba-gabeeyay in dadka ku dhaqan gobolka Togdheer ay dhammaantood nabadgelyada iyo qaranimada Somaliland meel uga soo wada jeestaan. Plus these http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/9/7062 http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/9/7794

Cige is not in the List, so i wouldn't vote any of them

I dont think maxkamadaha wanted to rule in the first place. Everybody knew that they clearly said they want to expell Somaliland and Puntland corrupt leaders and control both regions and they actually attacked Galka'yo on thir way to Hargeysa. So if you want to LIE say something that we can swallow but naked FALSE :mad: Don't you remeber when Jacaylbaro & Co (i'm not sure you were one of them) were saying if they attacked SL we will learn them lesson etc. and even recently, JB said the demise of maxkamadaha came after they threated SL. the Bottomline is seperatist LOVE to others what they don't want to themselves ....Runtu sidaa weeye ee ha ka LEEXLEEXAN Koonfuri ha olosho oo yaysan annaga na soo gelin ilaa aan ictiraaf ka helayno ...miyeysan sidaa ahayn?

3 - It was the govnt of Somaliland that did not support the ICU and not the people. So you want to say that PPL of that region would allow MAXKAMADAHA to rule Somalia from Kismayo to Zaylac?

I am really surprised for someone who doesn't want his place to be ruled by these killers and wish others to be ruled by them! in other words, we all know the Somalilanders position on MAXKAMADAHA but at the same time they want south to be ruled by them. Can we say this is the highest point of Hypocrisy

ILAAHAY HA U NAXARIISTO MAXAMED MUXUYIDIIN CALI - AAMMIIN

What's the old man with the brown comaamad saying? Amxara out? Amxaaeo out OR Ar sawirka maa naga daysiin

Soomaaliya Muqdisho waa magaalada ugu weyn Soomaaliya, waana magaalada ay ku noolaayeen dadka ugu badan Somalia ka hor imaanshaha Itoobiya ee Muqdisho, waxa ayna ka mid aheyd magaalooyinka sida weyn looga dareemo Maalinta ciida, wadooyinka, gawaarida, goobaha dad weynaha isugu yimaadaan waxa ay ahaan jireyn goobo aad u mashquul badan, taa waxaa sii dheeree Caruurta oo iyagana qeyb ka qaadan jiray farxada ciida oo wadooyinka iyaga oo xeyn xeyn u socda hadba dhinac ugoynjiray, sax,taas waa ay jirtay waaxa ayna aheyd Caado in wadooyinka ay buuxsamaan, garaawida mashquulkoodu bato, Laakiin Labo ciid oo aynu hadda tii labaad ku gudajirno waxaas oo dhan Muqdisho ma ka jireyn. Common MMA, you want to show us Mogadishu was PARARDISE before ethiopian invasion. don't be so NAIIVE or perhaps BLIND. show us other side of the coin. Milions were suffering in Mogadishu while several FAT CATS were enjoying with UMMADDA XOOLEHEEDA. since 1991, Mogadishu has seen LIVE just LIXDA bilood ee Maxkamaduhu xukumayeen.

Gaboose Somalilander buu noqday! Adduunka haddaad dhimanweydidna Gaboosoo la toleeyay waad arkaysaa

he has blood on his hands ......

MUNAAFAQNIMADA Carabtaan ka wadanaa. The same Egypt inviting Sh. Shariif are putting prisons IKHWANU MUSLIMOON group which Sh. Shariif himself beliongs to :eek: , so what do you expect from them? Xaggana way kala dirirayaan, xaggana way ka casumayaan SOOMAALIDAY WAX ISU GALEEN

Just quick answers for some of your responses. murder is a murder, a rape is a rape, displacement is a displacement no matter who does it. Just because A/Y engineered the last one and there was one prior to it doesn't make A/Y's blasphemy any less wrong. That's exactly what i said in my thread, i said the murder, rape and displacement started far earlier today but WHY DON'T YOU (at least) ACKNOWLEDEGE THIS? why don't uyou and of course Norheren acknowledege that mopgadishu warlords were doing same as ethiopians are doing now? Cige, thanks for the brief history lesson but your arguments are baseless. Northeren horaan u sheegayoo SOOMAALIDU RUNMTA MA JECLA, BASELESS is a vague word, laakiin let's say TRUE & LIE, bal hal meel oo been ah ka soo saar waxaan qoray!

Soomaalida Horay u tiri NIN wax u CAD yihiin wax u madow. If i don't want to see my clan's oppression against other clans and i CRY when the FITNA touches me is typical Somali way. So, let's see where Somali affairs will end up but my advice to all of us is HALA ADKEYSTO ha la yiraahdo WAR SOOMAALIYEY KULLIGEEN WAYNNU WADA QALDANNAY WAYNU IS WADAD DULMINAYE, FAR_FAR KU TAAG MA FIICNEE MA HESHIINAA? this will be the SOLUTION butn be arrogant now and wait when others will suffer waa laga dayriyey ALLAHUL MUSTACAAN. By the way i haven't seen any answer of my question: Why XABASHA was wrong ONLY when they helped Ina Yey?

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- when Xabashi libearated Baydhabo Jannay from ina Aydiid & indhomadoobe some of your funs now where you were at those times? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was legitimate struggle and whoever supported Reer Bay/Bakool is beside the point. The circumstances were diffirent and the reasons for their involvement were valid that's unless you favored the extermination of reer Bay/Bakool. Brother, the core of the proplem is here. When Etiopia helped SNM to fight aginst Barre regime it was legitimate and good cause When Ethiopiua helped Reer Bay/Bakool to regain their dignity and land from Aydiid & co. the intervention was legitimate and good cause But when they helped the TFG to establish itself in the capital it is INVASION and Genocide enz. Hold on, or the reason is beyond that! (Soomaalidu RUNTA MA JECLA) Why Xabasho has helped INA YEY? That's at least what the ina YEY supporters believe and the above calims supporting their suspecion towards many NEW PATiRIOTS and MUJAAHIDIINS

Mr Me, thanks so much you said all what i wanted to say. due to time resriction i couldn't respond Mr Northeners quotes. i just wanted to add this point. in my opinion, Somalia's destruction satrted after the Soma-Ethio war in 1978. During that time barre's regime was detroying Mudugh, Nugaal and Bari and the rest of Somalis were either taking part the destruction or silence (as nothing has happened). the turn came to Norhth west & Toghdheer, same happened either take part or keep quiet. in December 1990 Mogadishu's long awaitedturn has come (sorry to say this but many somalis were waiting and unfortanately were happy - for various reasons - when Mogadishu war started and the detruction that followed). during this period, killing and diplacement targeted at particullar group of people (unfortuanetly most of these were innocent or were those who were opposing Barre's regime) but because their 148th grandfateher was same as Siad Barre granny, they were killed, looted, raped and ethnic cleansed (the rest of Somalis were either took part or kept quiet). this continued until recently. in December 2007 the new & old capital residents turn has come, but this time surprisingly not only the victims outcried but those who were claiming that they nothing to do with what happening in Somalia. those who declared independence from Somalia and claimed tha they do not care who rules Mogadishu as long as they're keeping our good neighbourhood. however, latest conflict proves that the seccionist's claim was BIG LIE and they were really part of Mogadishu's last 17 years rulers or they feared that their ambition may come to an end by ina Yey & Co taking power in mogadishu of course with the help of their former and current -at least officil levels - strategic ally (Ethiopia). Where were you last 17 years when the SHELLING, RAPING, DISPLACEMENT and the DESTRUCTION were common in the southern areas? is Mogadishu's tragedy just started when in Yey entered or statred in 1991? just answer me this question Please! Finally, Northner & Co. please leave us alone (Southrenrs) to solve our problems internally or tell us WIDE & CLEAR that we are part of you and we want Mogadishu controlled by certain group (which is not bad thing if you said this Piblically) and if our ally lost the war we will start fight (Las Anod invasion and helping mogadishu fighters by money, taking parts demonstrations and emotional words such as this thread in SOL are just some examples) Having said all this; my HEART and HANDS are with all Somalis who are suffereing Hypicroracy of their fellow Soamlis as well as the struggle between the regional & international powers in our country.

I am with whoever Xabashada kasoo horjeedo, whoever Soomaali ah Xabashi la dagaalamaayo. What about b4 Habashi came? or sorry, when Xabashi libearated Baydhabo Jannay from ina Aydiid & indhomadoobe some of your funs now where you were at those times? Anyone who continues their support for the occupation and TFG after recent events is a sick individual! Simple! What about the seperatist? I think MMA disagree with you