Carafaat;761092 wrote: Somali Patriotist should be proud of Somaliland's achievements. Unfortuantly there many fake nationalist who consider every thief with the blue flag as a patriotist. They have misguided ppl for so long. Well I'm glad that you have enjoyed peace and stability and democracy but what other achievements you are talking about? Your post dont really say much.

Jacaylbaro;760834 wrote: JB ayaad ku waalatay dee ...... The article is just Bacaaac I thougt Salax was you alternative account, maybe I was wrong on that.

lol JB....what kinda picture is that of faroole? C'mon bro.

omar12;760410 wrote: This is kinda true about the past. But for right now dont the ends justify the means. If al shabab is gone and international aids agencies can work in southern Somalia to help people suffering from famine shouldn't we put our pride to the side? LOL...I dont know if that was with purpose, But I see them as aids agencies. lol And if that was the outcome of this invasion I would welcome that but I dont think that will happen. No pride involved, only love for my home country. Most likely the alshabab will not be defeated but they will gain more strenght and public support. I know what you mean but southern somalia with its fertile land should be capable of feeding its own people. if alshabab is defeated. We can accept help but its our duty to feed our people.

Valenteenah.;760285 wrote: It's almost like a bewildering, circuitous Byzantine knot - all tangled up to hell. This pillar of greed, interest and debt, piled up so high and teetering on edge will undoubtedly crumble at some point, perhaps taking Western civilisation, as we know it, down and out with it. Who knows, ey? Indeed, the consequences will mean bad news for Europe and the masses. The relative few, greedy jewish bankers cements the grip on the world. This is certainly the message of strength, that they appoint their puppet to head of state. They operate openly, The theatrical show is over, it was pseudo-democracy all along. They created this crisis and will offer their solutions to further establish total control.

omar12;760254 wrote: lolol the thing is all this talk about other african countries or IGAD, or even western nations wanting to control somalia for their interest is crazy,Somalia has no gold, silver, and even after all the rumors not a drop of oil has been found. It has nothing to even plunder. All kenya, wants to do is shut up the barking dog so it can sleep. I wish things were different but they're not, and blaming everyone from USSR,US,UK,EU,NATO, AU to IGAD wont solve a thang. You did not answer my question bro. And somalia is rich in natural resources: uranium and largely unexploited reserves of iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt, natural gas, oil reserves in the sea. And the worldwide race for resources has begun, if you was not aware of it. With that said. I dont think blaming everyone is right thing to do. Somalis put themself in this position and only we are capable of rising from it. Foreign armies has now prolong the suffering of Somali people. is this whats in our interest? No, we must oppose this.

he is probably ethiopian refugee living in hargeisa. Asmera really? Go and try their 750,000 strong army and then tell me how the coffe smells.

The ascension of Mario Monti to the Italian prime ministership is remarkable for more reasons than it is possible to count. By replacing the scandal-surfing Silvio Berlusconi, Italy has dislodged the undislodgeable. By imposing rule by unelected technocrats, it has suspended the normal rules of democracy, and maybe democracy itself. And by putting a senior adviser at Goldman Sachs in charge of a Western nation, it has taken to new heights the political power of an investment bank that you might have thought was prohibitively politically toxic. This is the most remarkable thing of all: a giant leap forward for, or perhaps even the successful culmination of, the Goldman Sachs Project. It is not just Mr Monti. The European Central Bank, another crucial player in the sovereign debt drama, is under ex-Goldman management, and the investment bank's alumni hold sway in the corridors of power in almost every European nation, as they have done in the US throughout the financial crisis. Until Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund's European division was also run by a Goldman man, Antonio Borges, who just resigned for personal reasons. Even before the upheaval in Italy, there was no sign of Goldman Sachs living down its nickname as "the Vampire Squid", and now that its tentacles reach to the top of the eurozone, sceptical voices are raising questions over its influence. The political decisions taken in the coming weeks will determine if the eurozone can and will pay its debts – and Goldman's interests are intricately tied up with the answer to that question. Simon Johnson, the former International Monetary Fund economist, in his book 13 Bankers, argued that Goldman Sachs and the other large banks had become so close to government in the run-up to the financial crisis that the US was effectively an oligarchy. At least European politicians aren't "bought and paid for" by corporations, as in the US, he says. "Instead what you have in Europe is a shared world-view among the policy elite and the bankers, a shared set of goals and mutual reinforcement of illusions." This is The Goldman Sachs Project. Put simply, it is to hug governments close. Every business wants to advance its interests with the regulators that can stymie them and the politicians who can give them a tax break, but this is no mere lobbying effort. Goldman is there to provide advice for governments and to provide financing, to send its people into public service and to dangle lucrative jobs in front of people coming out of government. The Project is to create such a deep exchange of people and ideas and money that it is impossible to tell the difference between the public interest and the Goldman Sachs interest. Mr Monti is one of Italy's most eminent economists, and he spent most of his career in academia and thinktankery, but it was when Mr Berlusconi appointed him to the European Commission in 1995 that Goldman Sachs started to get interested in him. First as commissioner for the internal market, and then especially as commissioner for competition, he has made decisions that could make or break the takeover and merger deals that Goldman's bankers were working on or providing the funding for. Mr Monti also later chaired the Italian Treasury's committee on the banking and financial system, which set the country's financial policies. With these connections, it was natural for Goldman to invite him to join its board of international advisers. The bank's two dozen-strong international advisers act as informal lobbyists for its interests with the politicians that regulate its work. Other advisers include Otmar Issing who, as a board member of the German Bundesbank and then the European Central Bank, was one of the architects of the euro. Perhaps the most prominent ex-politician inside the bank is Peter Sutherland, Attorney General of Ireland in the 1980s and another former EU Competition Commissioner. He is now non-executive chairman of Goldman's UK-based broker-dealer arm, Goldman Sachs International, and until its collapse and nationalisation he was also a non-executive director of Royal Bank of Scotland. He has been a prominent voice within Ireland on its bailout by the EU, arguing that the terms of emergency loans should be eased, so as not to exacerbate the country's financial woes. The EU agreed to cut Ireland's interest rate this summer. Picking up well-connected policymakers on their way out of government is only one half of the Project, sending Goldman alumni into government is the other half. Like Mr Monti, Mario Draghi, who took over as President of the ECB on 1 November, has been in and out of government and in and out of Goldman. He was a member of the World Bank and managing director of the Italian Treasury before spending three years as managing director of Goldman Sachs International between 2002 and 2005 – only to return to government as president of the Italian central bank. Mr Draghi has been dogged by controversy over the accounting tricks conducted by Italy and other nations on the eurozone periphery as they tried to squeeze into the single currency a decade ago. By using complex derivatives, Italy and Greece were able to slim down the apparent size of their government debt, which euro rules mandated shouldn't be above 60 per cent of the size of the economy. And the brains behind several of those derivatives were the men and women of Goldman Sachs. The bank's traders created a number of financial deals that allowed Greece to raise money to cut its budget deficit immediately, in return for repayments over time. In one deal, Goldman channelled $1bn of funding to the Greek government in 2002 in a transaction called a cross-currency swap. On the other side of the deal, working in the National Bank of Greece, was Petros Christodoulou, who had begun his career at Goldman, and who has been promoted now to head the office managing government Greek debt. Lucas Papademos, now installed as Prime Minister in Greece's unity government, was a technocrat running the Central Bank of Greece at the time. Goldman says that the debt reduction achieved by the swaps was negligible in relation to euro rules, but it expressed some regrets over the deals. Gerald Corrigan, a Goldman partner who came to the bank after running the New York branch of the US Federal Reserve, told a UK parliamentary hearing last year: "It is clear with hindsight that the standards of transparency could have been and probably should have been higher." When the issue was raised at confirmation hearings in the European Parliament for his job at the ECB, Mr Draghi says he wasn't involved in the swaps deals either at the Treasury or at Goldman. It has proved impossible to hold the line on Greece, which under the latest EU proposals is effectively going to default on its debt by asking creditors to take a "voluntary" haircut of 50 per cent on its bonds, but the current consensus in the eurozone is that the creditors of bigger nations like Italy and Spain must be paid in full. These creditors, of course, are the continent's big banks, and it is their health that is the primary concern of policymakers. The combination of austerity measures imposed by the new technocratic governments in Athens and Rome and the leaders of other eurozone countries, such as Ireland, and rescue funds from the IMF and the largely German-backed European Financial Stability Facility, can all be traced to this consensus. "My former colleagues at the IMF are running around trying to justify bailouts of €1.5trn-€4trn, but what does that mean?" says Simon Johnson. "It means bailing out the creditors 100 per cent. It is another bank bailout, like in 2008: The mechanism is different, in that this is happening at the sovereign level not the bank level, but the rationale is the same." So certain is the financial elite that the banks will be bailed out, that some are placing bet-the-company wagers on just such an outcome. Jon Corzine, a former chief executive of Goldman Sachs, returned to Wall Street last year after almost a decade in politics and took control of a historic firm called MF Global. He placed a $6bn bet with the firm's money that Italian government bonds will not default. When the bet was revealed last month, clients and trading partners decided it was too risky to do business with MF Global and the firm collapsed within days. It was one of the ten biggest bankruptcies in US history. The grave danger is that, if Italy stops paying its debts, creditor banks could be made insolvent. Goldman Sachs, which has written over $2trn of insurance, including an undisclosed amount on eurozone countries' debt, would not escape unharmed, especially if some of the $2trn of insurance it has purchased on that insurance turns out to be with a bank that has gone under. No bank – and especially not the Vampire Squid – can easily untangle its tentacles from the tentacles of its peers. This is the rationale for the bailouts and the austerity, the reason we are getting more Goldman, not less. The alternative is a second financial crisis, a second economic collapse. Source

GoldCoast;760220 wrote: I'm only echoing the posts of the rational and pragmatic actors on this forum. In other words I'm being sarcastic lol. I understand lol

omar12;760207 wrote: what are the foreign interests? it seems to me that having a peaceful and stable Somalia without pirates or terrorist is in the best interest of foreign and somali people as a whole. Tell me why then they attacked somalia when islamic Courts was in charge? They kept alshabab and the pirates at bay and provided basic stability.

GoldCoast;760189 wrote: Its ok. Stay on course. Accept this unless you have a practical solution. Otherwise you are a latte sipping daydreamer and naive. Well even if I had practional solution those stooges would not change their stance. They are merely following foreign interests. Its foreign interest at play here, even if it may serve Somalia interest in short term it wont be in the long term. Its not naive to oppose foreign invasion, its formula that did not work in the past, and created alshabab. Who knows what this invasion will bring to fruition.

Disgraceful people

good news

Its seems that Saif al Islam Gaddafi have been captured by the rats. Source

yes

I'm oppose to all foreign invaders.

Above article is from the last time Ethiopia was inside Somalia, this time around we must all unite and crush them and make them pay for their crimes,

May 6, 2008 NAIROBI — Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Ethiopian troops in Somalia of killing civilians and committing atrocities, including slitting people's throats, gouging out eyes and gang-raping women. In a new report, the human rights group, which is based in London, detailed chilling witness accounts of indiscriminate killings in Somalia and called on the international community to stop the bloodshed. Amnesty said testimony it received suggested that all parties to the conflict had committed war crimes. But it cited Ethiopian troops, in the country to back Somalia's UN-sponsored government, for some of the worst violations. The shaky transitional government invited Ethiopian forces into the country to help it battle Islamic insurgents. Somalia has been torn apart by years of violence between the militias of rival clan warlords. The rights group said it had scores of reports of killings by Ethiopian troops. In one case, "a young child's throat was slit by Ethiopian soldiers in front of the child's mother," the report says. Amnesty said about 6,000 civilians had been reported killed and more than 600,000 had been forced to flee their homes in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, last year. "The people of Somalia are being killed, raped, tortured. Looting is widespread and entire neighborhoods are being destroyed," Michelle Kagari, the Amnesty deputy director for Africa, said in a statement from Nairobi that accompanied the report. The report quotes testimony from 75 witnesses as well as scores of workers from nongovernmental organizations. People are identified only by first name to protect them from retaliation. In one testimony, Haboon, 56, said her neighbor's 17-year-old daughter had been raped by Ethiopian troops. The girl's brothers tried to defend their sister, but the soldiers beat them and gouged their eyes out with a bayonet, Haboon was quoted as telling Amnesty. "The testimony we received strongly suggests that war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity have been committed by all parties to the conflict in Somalia and no one is being held accountable," Kagari said.

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By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, November 18, 10:48 AM NAIROBI, Kenya — As hundreds of Kenyan soldiers hunt al-Qaida-linked militants in Somalia, university students are growing angry that their government can afford a military operation but not raises for thousands of university lecturers. Hundreds of University of Nairobi students began protesting after some 7,000 lecturers went on a week-long strike. Police fired into the air to disperse the students, some of whom had prepared for exams earlier this week only to be told they were being postponed. Lecturers make around $800 a month in Kenya, and their salaries have not be raised in three years. Kenya’s Higher Education Minister Margaret Kamar said she sympathizes with the lecturers, who decided Thursday to postpone their strike for two weeks to allow for negotiations. But the financial resources simply aren’t there, she says. “We have sat down and discussed with the prime minister and finance minister, we cannot add anything because of our boys in Somalia,” Kamar said. Hundreds of Kenyan troops moved into Somalia last month to hunt down the al-Shabab militants, who have threatened to strike inside Kenya in retaliation. Military budgets in Kenya are not publicly released, and the government has not said how much the operation will last or how long it will take. It couldn’t come at a worse time for Kenyans: In October, inflation was nearly 19 percent because of skyrocketing food and energy costs, fueled by a depreciation in the Kenyan shilling against the dollar. Kenya’s Central Bank raised interest rates recently to stem the shilling’s decline, raising the costs of personal loans. And the country’s critical tourism industry is being threatened by a rash of kidnappings inside Kenya blamed on the Somali militants. Stephen Mutoro, an official of the Consumer Federation of Kenya, says the country should brace itself for hard economic times. “Locally we are going to borrow from the private sector which is going to make it very difficult for the economy because when government is borrowing from the banks, the banks find it very difficult to deal with individuals,” Mutoro said. Mutoro said there was little preparation for the military mission in Somalia and that’s why the government is now sending officials to Israel, the Middle East and Europe to ask for financial support. Maina Kiai, a Kenyan lawyer and human rights activist, said the government violated the constitution by choosing to bypass parliamentary approval for the military operation in Somalia. Such a move removes oversight of how the funds are being used. “Parliament needs to approve (the military incursion), as war always cost more money than is in the budget,” Kiai said. “It also helps transparency in these situations, where it is proven the world over to be an easy source of corruption and pilfering,” he said. Oburu Odinga, the deputy finance minister, told parliament this week that the government will relocate surplus money from different government ministries to fund the operation in Somalia. He said that the government will seek parliamentary approval later. Muga K’Olale, the secretary general of the University Academic Staff Union that launched the lecturers strike, said they’ve been demanding a salary review for two years. The military operation in Somalia cannot be an excuse now not to raise salaries, he said. On Thursday, the lecturers agreed to postpone their weeklong strike to allow for negotiations. Students just want them to get paid, so they can sit for exams, graduate and find jobs. “This issue of al-Shabab is a security concern, so whatever the government did is good, said Babu Owino, the chairman of the Kenya Universities Students’ Association. “But on other hand it should also pay the lecturers so that things can resume. ... It is really wasting the time of the students.

A_Khadar;759644 wrote: That is the whole purpose.. This is tit for tat.. World needs this place to remain just like that.. Any time things seem going forward, here they are to back stab.

I would not be suprised if it true that the are already in Somalia. Somalia is foreign playground. they can come and go as they want without permission what can that puppet sharif do? Nothing. Its frustration to be somali nationalist these days. Every direction one looks is clan-cheerleading and traitors.

Its either one of them. But my money is on america. They have drone base in ethiopia.