Illyria: one could obtain false information and thats what I think you fall victim for however i will have it confirmed if thats was the case or not. Xiin: you are supporter of warlord madoobe himself so its beyond my belief how you can sit here with straight face and accuse other:D

Illyria;943055 wrote: I understand he has been interrogated for a few hours and then released under the aegis of his elders. he said he was only in Kismyo to visit his family. lol so we are making up things now?

Lol@mooge arresting rageddi Barre. If pigs could fly:D that would be the end of this narnialand.

In some corners they acted like they own kismayo without regards to the locals or to the somali gov. They were happily stooges under the bias kenyans who also have their interets in creating their own satellite state inside Somalia proper.

Its quite comical thats this thread is being updated since this Narnialand will not come further then the closed circle of madoobe and his kenyan masters. Unless the foundation of this satellite state of kenya is changed and the will of locals to be heard.

Oodweyne;941416 wrote: But I do understand your desperate attempt to kill this discussion lest it gives some ideas to some folks who one day may found themselves out of luck with this project. Particularly after the said election take place and to their cost they found themselves being out voted, indeed. :D Lol its xiins tactics:D Everywhere I read its seems like Madobe is the favourite to the top seat however I wouldnt rule out the other contenders. I dont believe madoobe has this in the bag. Imagine his reactions if he lost the seat to someone like ghandi. The biggest flipflop would follow.:DAfter all he has been the best and loyal butler for the kenyans:D

Oba. Det är en intressant fråga men den kan ingen av oss svara på med all säkerhet. Därför är den diskussionen föremål för en domstol. Annars blir det enbart spekulationer. Jag håller med att prio 1 för den här regeringen är ett fungerande rättsystem. Ber om ursäkt för sena svar bror. Skriver från mobilen.

Oba: Okej, nu förstår jag vad du menar. Även om jag inte delar din syn. Xoosh var och är en affärsman och han har laglig rätt att claima bostäder under hans namn men eftersom det är ett kontroversiellt ämne så är det bästa om allt kan avgöras i en oberoende domstol.

oba hiloowlow;939835 wrote: he wont be given shid. he should return to wherever he came from. Oba. Inte kan du neka honom att besöka hans egna huvudstad? Sånt hör till det förgågna. Deal with it.

Oodweyne. Thats valid and logical argument on your point. What I want to see from the FG is all options on the table strategy. This deal probably must happen or it has already happen but its the lest favourable options in my view and should only be played when all others card are played.

I believe there should be no oil cake for Kenya. Even if she has here eye on it. Such greed should not be accepted. Its important to drag this process until kenya realise thats its not worth the price to create a bufferzone for Somalias resources.

DoctorKenney;939784 wrote: It's almost as if Apophis enjoys acting like a clown. What's wrong with him wallahi Sad case. Just ignore him. Its seems like Mudane Hassan sheikh is getting alot of hate with no valid reason at all. I guess haters gonna hate. Thats what they do.

xiinfaniin;937309 wrote: That Carafaat script represents an online foodley is a common knowledge, whether the angry Dabrow feigns surprise is not going to change that. On the merits of this discussion, we repeated for the nth time, that we do not see a problem with Kenya or any other AMISOM country operating in Somalia as part of security stabilization. Those who are not happy with Kismayo progress for clannish reasons can continue their farts No need to personalize this Xiin. I have neither problem with Kenya or other AMISOM country when they operate as security stabilizer but my protests starts when they start to carve out buffer zones under the disguise of federalism.

Jacpher;937304 wrote: Was that expression a bit confusing? It means you are bragging about the muscle of one foreign army over another? Where is your own muscle saaxiib I hate it to break it to you. Sierra Lione ain't gonna do your dirty clannish war. When was I braggin? And when did I mention that Sierra leone would take part in somali politics let alone fight clannish wars? You like to make up stuff? Thats exactly what the Kenyan are doing illegally under their peacekeeping mandate. Sry sxb but maybe you are fooling yourself but not me:D

If thats the problem facing Somalia today we should say alhamdulillah. Im not saying this goverment is perfect but that its bring hope and seriousness that previous corrupt goverments lacked. Its easy to find faults but its hard to solve them and thats what this goverment is doing.

Carafaat;937292 wrote: Even the Economist reports it. http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2011/11/ethiopia-kenya-and-somalia Dabrow, this is what they call daylight robbery , a common practice in Kenya, I hear. It is daylight robbery and those who supports this when they are confronted with logic they seem either to name call or like Japher talking in cryptic terms

I was reading a article and saw a quote from UN diplomat in Nairobi. I quote: "´"This is a better government on every level,'' said a U.N. diplomat in Nairobi. "They're more responsive, more interested in what they're doing and they're not feathering their own nests.'' This truly brings hope for a brighter future for Somalia. The article can be found here: http://www.voanews.com/content/somalia-state-progress/1638918.html

Jacpher;937281 wrote: ^I understand all that you're saying about Kenya but in the eye's of its UN/AU mandate, they are no different than other troops in the country. And for that reason, it has the right to turn away anyone at its own discretion. No one has a say who it lets in/out other than itself. Your case boils down to mere accusation and empty protest. You ain't in a position today to have Kenyan troops to leave let alone tell who it grants entry. Don't put the cart before the horse, so to speak. :D You are now being ridiculous and either you are truly naive or you just playing the "estupid" card. Its a general fact among analyst and people who observ the sitaution what Kenya aims to do. Its not acusation or something i made up recently. Its well known fact. However and to my relieve the goverment and AU understands the sitaution and efforts to reduce Kenyans influence has already begun with the Sierra Leone soldiers heading south. You see if they dont respect the political realites and wants to dictate Somalia then people have the right to react and you shouldnt try to silence it by calling it "empty protest":D Here is quote from Global post who predicted it:D " NAIROBI, Kenya — Kenya plans to use its recent invasion of Somalia to carve out a semi-autonomous client state in the south of the country, say observers whose analysis is backed by leaked US diplomatic cables. A secure buffer state, to be called Jubaland, would be headed by a former Somali defense minister and secured by an Islamist warlord in a bid to contain Somalia’s violent chaos protecting Kenya’s borders and its tourist-driven economy"

Japher: Kenyans may be under the same amisom umbrella as Uganda but they are not soley peacekeeping but also deep involved in somalias political landscape. They are busy creating their bufferzone and there wikileaks cables to support this. Now when we have the facts out of the way:D I understand your point but you seem to not understand mine. What i mean is that is rare for a country to "peacekeep" another country and at the same time inprison their citizen if they oppose the agenda of the "peacekeepers".

Lol@foodley. Carafaat must have hit a nerve:D

Jacpher;937249 wrote: Israel, USA, China, Russia, Iraq, Turkey, India/Pakistan.......should I continue You really think thats a clever list. Many of those countries you mention have done unforgivable crimes in those countries they occupy. Not exactly the guardian of democracy. I guess these countries are the model for Kenya to follow. But please list more countries:D ps: What countries does Iraq and turkey occupy?

Jacpher;937213 wrote: I guess there are no countries on earth that refuse people entry for political grounds. For those of you protesting Kenya's right to do so; look no further than your host country. I am too tired now to list the gazillion countries who turn away people for this reason or another everyday. Stop holding Kenya to a higher different standard. Heck, Somaliland, turns away anyone having to do with anything Muqdisho politically. For those of you threatening Kenya to invade or evoke sovereignty, on what ground? Kenya must accept every Somali citizen that lands its space?? Give me one country thats has boots on the ground and pushing for a bufferzone thats refuse entry and detain citizens of that occupied country. Just name one country. The only country i can think of is Israel and now Kenya however Somalis are proud people and will never accept such fate.

The thing that kenya and uganda have in common is that both come under the umbrella of peacekeeping but the thing that seperates them is kenyas push for buffer state. This will not be allowed.

Xiin: Im just a fella who writes my own views sxb and hoping to not get arrested next time i go to Kenya. And im supportive of the idea of jubbaland but not trough this process. You have to understand that i cannot clarify my position regarding jubbaland in every thread:Dits getting a bit tiresome.

Dp