lol, their the richest (per sq. meter)because rich white people spend their holidays there, and often buy holiday homes.

Let me rephrase that, the average non-Somali Rwandese.

lol, what do you mean? I'm getting a steady stream of PM nominations. The poll will appear on the 2nd of March.

Quote:Prove it, i believe Non-Somalis can. This is why Somalis start talking in Somali to other East Africans. As i have done on several occasions.Clearly this is an absurd case and stems from us Somalis, living in our own little world.......... Because Cushitic people are so close to each other when it comes to lineage, it is obvious that some people can be mistaken for one or the other, but these are very much the exception. Normal Rwandese don't resemble Somalis like their President seems to.

Ma'sha allah, 'twas about time we penetrated the premiership. I understand there's a lad at Arsenal..

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Somalia pirates hijack UN ship Pirates have hijacked a cargo ship delivering UN food aid to northeastern Somalia. The ship, NV Rozen, had just delivered 900 tonnes of food aid to the semi-autonomous region of Puntland when the pirates attacked, said Stephanie Savariaud, a spokeswoman for the UN's World Food Programme. "We know it has been hijacked by pirates but we do not know how many pirates there are," Savariaud said. The ship was contracted by the WFP to deliver food aid to Somalia. Andrew Mwangura, head of the Kenyan chapter of the Seafarers Assistance Programme, said the pirates had not yet made any demands. It was not immediately known if any of the 12 crew members aboard - six from Sri Lanka and six from Kenya - were injured in the attack. Contact lost The ship is currently being held close to the island of Ras Afun, just off the Puntland coast. The vessel has lost contact with its home port of Mombasa in Kenya and it is unclear if the hijackers are armed, said Mwangura. Piracy is common off the coast of Somalia, which has no effective government of its own to respond. There were 35 instances of piracy off the coast of Somalia in 2005, compared to two in 2004, according to the International Maritime Bureau. source

One declared war on Ethiopia, the other welcomed Amxaaro to our country.

And you said Somalis are indigneous That was exactely my initial point, Somalis aren't 100% Cushitic, there's a Eurasian influence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that was not your point don't play me for a fool brother you said because of this insignificant influence our phenotype changed and that was the only reason why i kept coming back i said The purpose wasn't to deny the undeniable African heritage, but to discuss the other influences in the somali genome which make us just that bit different to the average bantu African. If you're a scientist you should understand that the phenotype is what appears visually, our genome however is different to that of the Ethiopians, who have a greater percentage of Cushitic genes than the 80% in Somalis. The Somali genotype is not indigenous, because our genome contains 15% eurasian genes.

To summarize, Centurian is advocating Somalis are merely a mix between bantus and non-Africans Not neccesarily Bantu, rather Cushitic with a slight infiltration of Eurasian genes.

this is my last reply to you cause you argue for the sake of arguing and i aint got time for that Although this endless exchange is also frustrating, i never argue for the sake of argument, nor do i like the sound of my own voice overmuch. If i didnt think my points valid, i'd never have let this get so far. Dave, tell me, has Cushites>Bantu's and Caucasoids been scientifically proven? And if Cushitis>Eurasians, why do Eurasians not have a significant Cushitic influence? If the Bantu expansion never reached the Horn of Africa.. Again, how am i saying that? I'm actually saying that Bantu's must've reached (and sure have) Somalia. nobody is 100% anything And you said Somalis are indigneous :rolleyes: That was exactely my initial point, Somalis aren't 100% Cushitic, there's a Eurasian influence. Anyway, since it seems you are the better Anthropologist, perhaps you can sum up your position on this in your next post.

Stop toying with him, ya Ngonge

this is the classic mistake many people make they have this mindset that the eurocentric coined ''true negro'' + Caucasian = Somalis or Ethiopians this is wrong cause Somalis and Ethiopians don't carry West African lineages or speak Bantu languages Classic mistake? I think thats THE theory antropologists agree on, unless you are aware of Cushitic > Bantu studies, which prove that Bantu's are descendents of a forefather of current Cushites? my point was East Africans carry Predominantly East African male genes so it would be foolish to say that they are a mix when the beforementioned groups don't even have Paternal or Maternal lineages predominating the so-called mixing groups Meh, i believe i've said before that of course Somalis are predominantly Cushitic, i included to that, that there's a significant Eurasian influence, Somalis are NOT 100% Cushitic. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -The Somali Genome has been influenced significantly by the eurasian genome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- not significant enough to change the Somali populations phenotype Of course not, since we are predominantly Cushitic our phenotype will be predominantly that of Cushitic people, but one can still tell Somalis apart from other Cushites. Meaning that our phenotype although Cushitic, is slightly different to that of our neighbours, hence allowing us to distinguish a Somali from an Amxaaro/Tigray/Oromo(perhaps less so with Oromo) Oh yes and on my assertion that Somalis are generally taller than amxaaro, google it, and you'll find many like statements and observation, i am yet to find any scientific evidence though. the Bantu Expansion never reached Somalia by your logic Explain to me how you managed to deduce this from my sentence. Did i not say that Somalia is one of the places where Bantu and Eurasians mixed? And while your doing that, elaborate on the Chinese part of that badly written sentence.. would a Non Somali be able to differeniate between these groups? no! and that's the only thing that matters Prove it, i believe Non-Somalis can. Lol, i googled furiously after i saw that map of yours, and alas my knowledge of Africa will never quite be the same

Aaliyah, did you perhaps post this in some Somali groups on Facebook?

Dave, old horse, you're thorough, i give you that! OK, let me begin Regarding the samples,and the significance of 15 Eurasian genes, it seems i was wrong, having backtracked to the article from which it was derived, i know understand it to mean that 15% of samples had significant Eurasian lineages. I've decided to accept your plea, and actually read your posts, lol. And you said this no i reject it i'm not a mixed product i'm a Cushtite and my facial features are indiginious Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't Cushites a product of Caucasian and Negroid intermixing? So we are hardly indigenous Africans. We are of course, indigineous Cushites. The whole northern broad extension of the African continent, reaching from Cape Verde in Senegambia to Cape Guardafui in Somalia,has been a contact area between the Caucasians and Negroid races. It is irrefutable that Somalis/Cushitics located in relative close proximity to the sea/ocean were exposed to and influenced by Eurasian genes. Somalis have always lived closer to the Sea than Oromos/Amxaaro, so has that perhaps lead to a more influenced genome? And if so, does that make the Somali phenotype distinguishably different? I believe so, and so am sure does almost everybody else. Like i said an average Somali can be picked out from amongst Oromos and Tigrays. We agree on -the fact that Amxaaro and oromos(more so) are by far a Somalis closest cousin -The Somali Genome has been influenced significantly by the eurasian genome. Oh, and Somalia isnt part of Sub-Saharan Africa. So what exactely is je probleem?

lol, i'm not here to share my 'idea's on foundations, mascara and lipstick! Rather, being very much into Ancient History , i instantly recognised ole's sig image. Its of the latest adaptation of the battle of Thermopylae, check out the trailer . The battle of Thermopylae is widely thought of as the greatest battle of ancient history. King Leonidas fought with his 300 personal guard against the Persian emperor (imagine Bush) approx 100 000 Persian warriors in a battle which proved again that Spartan warriors were the cream of ancient greece. Anyway, 'tis supposed to be a great film..

Dave, East Africans are more related to Eurasians than to other African populations. 1, 2, 3 Investigations of Y chromosome markers have shown that the East African populations were not significantly affected by the east bound Bantu expansion that took place approximately 3500 years ago, while a significant contact to Arab and Middle East populations can be deduced from the present distribution of the Y chromosomes in these areas. 4, 5 The Y chromosome haplogroup E3a is found at high frequencies in the sub-Saharan, Bantu-speaking populations but at low frequencies in East Africa, while Eurasian haplogroups like J and K are found at various frequencies in East Africa.3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 However, the majority of Y chromosomes found in populations in Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and Oromos in Somalia and North Kenya (Boranas) belong to haplogroup E3b1 defined by the Y chromosome marker M78.9, 10 A special branch of E3b1, cluster , which was defined by the presence of the otherwise rare Y STR allele 11 in DYS19, was observed in high frequencies in small samples of male Boranas (Oromos) in , while the E3b1 cluster was found in low frequencies in non-Oromos from Ethiopia , Bantus from Kenya, North Egyptians10 and was almost absent in populations outside the Horn of Africa. Other clusters of haplogroup E3b1 (, and ) that are found in European, Arab, North and East African populations were not found in Oromos from North Kenya (Boranas) or Ethiopia, and found in only one of 23 Somali males.10 We typed a set of 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in a large population of male Somali immigrants to Denmark in order to define their Y chromosome lineages in details. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks, and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. The results were compared to those obtained in other relevant populations. That is the introduction of a key genetic article the source is here research has shown that the average Somali is genetically only 15% Caucasian, which includes Arabs, North Africans, as well as Europeans. The rest of the Somali genome consists of 5% Sub-Saharan African genes, and the remaining 80% consists of Cushitic genes. this person doesn't know the difference between Paternal lineages and Maternal lineages, if he did he would know that Paternal(Father)(Y) is 50% of your Dna structure and Maternal(Mother)(MtDNA) is the other 50% so when he picks little pieces from the Paternal lineages study and says Somalis are 20% something else and 80% cushitic he bassicly in others words simply said Somalis are 130% Cushitic (Hoyoo's side's contribution remember? 50%) because of his misinterpretation of the study You have misinterpereted the study. A genome is a whole set of DNA of a homogeneous group. Hence if a genome has for example 15% eurasian content, it means that 15% of the genes are from Eurasian origin. It doesnt mean that 15% of the samples were european which you are implying. So to conclude -The Somali genome has a significant Eurasian influence -Somalis are genetically significantly different to Amxaaro and vastly different to Sub saharan Africans, but are close cousins with Oromos. These are scientifically proven facts. Whether Somalis can be identified from Non-Somalis is another issue, but one which is known to be true by the overriding majority of Somalis.

Just a reminder for those who are still finalising their nominations.... there's 1 week left until the deadline. So hurry up!

i c. sxb go ahead and give your self the permission and do innie minny miny mo and remove some of the names from the overpopulated categories and then place in those categories that fall short to approve the other categories as well. hahaha.....no. Most of your nominees have already been nominated by others, in fact. So all i had to do was add the new ones.

Didi, nominations need to be made through PM. because ..we dont want any early boosted egos/or wounded prides, so it'd be nice to keep secret whose nominated for what until the actual poll has been created.. Also, in this way you can nominate someone you secretely admire, without telling the whole of SOL. Didi, i'll make an exception for you this time, i've noted your nominations, but not all of them, if you read the first post, you're restriced to up to 2 nominees in each category.

Some of these nations are struggling for their existance, if we even compare some of these nation to somaliland, we could honestly conclude that Somaliland is ahead of them both economically and YES stability by far. So AU is nothing in my view. Yet Somaliland thirsts for their recognition, and if you cannot get the recognition of the 'Dark continent', what hopes have you of gaining it overseas? The world has its reasons for denying Somaliland recognition, you know. Do not think you have merely been overlooked.

lol, red sea, mr.me is cool with it.

its actually easier for me to get PM's, as it means i dont need to scroll up and down this potentially ever growing thread. And also we dont want any early boosted egos/or wounded pride, so it'd be nice to keep secret whose nominated for what until the actual poll has been created.

Forgot to mention -You cannot nominate yourself

Who are these people who sport this reincarnated name? Miskiin, do you have a link to that group?