Originally posted by Yo-Yo Ma: Would it be so bad if they(Somaligalbeed) declare themselves to be another Somali State, and not join the chaos dat's SOmalia today. Then we have a situation :, 1.If somali galbeed doesn't release itself from the ethiopians,the pple would still be dominated and suppressed.Somali galbeed can declare themselves as a state. 2.If somalia cleans its mess and emerges forth as a state and then gets to be part of that somali galbeed liberation as it was before,Somali galbeed has no right to declare itself as a state from the rest. Yoyo mama,then in that case, i think the best alternative would come along with the situation.Therefore it was a premature assumption that i made on my part,thanks for correcting that part.On the part ''An other somalian state'',i would vote for only one somalian state including djibouti itself.We have somali land,puntland,juba land,and yesterday i was hearing a darwiish land.So from there,one can conclude many vital aspects,and none of them would be in accord with a nationalist's views.How about if things were made to be before those silly lines were drawn by the colonialists?The whole thing came with the damn world war one.Therefore what is ours is ours regardless of claims and legitimacy.

Originally posted by research: I have been subjected to some hostility before. Some has been justifiable suspicion, and I've always answered questions honestly and openly. Most of the time, people have overcome my suspicions to answer my questions. I will say that not everyone likes where the answers are pointing, but it is not for me to define the truth -- I'm just trying to uncover it. Some people have been abusive (called me a Nazi and so forth), but I just ignore those. "If you can't ignore an insult, top it; if you can't top it, laugh it off; and if you can't laugh it off, it's probably deserved." Research,why are pple hostile towards u,do they know u?i suppose they don't and i still don't understand why some one should be hostile to any one in that case.Secondly,its true that its not for u to define the truth and as a journalist don't u think that u should have digged the ppl'es history so as to come up with the honour killing theory?U could have consulted with some somalian,asked for pple's opinions in regards to honour killings.In short,somalians do kill but honour killing is not one of their doing.Thirdly,one would always meet with disagreements regarding everything so don't u think its unwise to be sure(pessimistic) about pple disagreeing with u inregards of ur views and whatever else that is going on around the globe?Am just curious as much as u are and i hope u do not take my questions in a negative or in unpolite manner.I was only trying to point out things and its also true to say that its not for me to define the points but am just trying to uncover them.

Military officers' defection is a symptom of a chaos that might finds its place in that nation's future but not in its present time.They can fix the problem,ethios are damn nationalists and that won't affect them in any way.This move might even be a manouvre of somekind and might not be what pple really think it is.I don't think the fall of ethiopia will ever help us in anyway.If they fall,what would stop the somali members of that region to be greedy and declare themselves as a state?Somalia needs to be liberated and there is only one way to liberate pple and that means pple liberate themselves,liberators do not exist and never existed.In which ever way u look at somalia's situation,war is inevitable.None of those corrupted sick old men wants what is good for somalia,some want names,others want power and riches and others want clan monarchy.Neither the old men of the tfg nor the old men of the uic want what is best for somalia but what is fit for them.What they are good for is to blame each other and do the name callings.In short,an external influence can only be over comed when the internal mess is cleaned up.

Rokko said that a woman should follow her husband and he was right.As for the 21st century woman or the islamic women,the laws of the islamic women towards their husbands is very clear.There can never be two masters under one roof,but that is un important.In many ways a woman should stay at home and just be like a typical somalian mom and the reasons for all that is mainly towards time spending with the kids and not looking after the husband or whatever else that has been said here.Should a woman go and study?Yes.Should a woman go and seek a good paying jobb?Yes.Should a woman compete with a man intellectually?yes.Is a woman capable of leadership?Yes she is and It aswell depends on what is to be led .Sum it up,What is better than a woman who goes to school,educates herself,and even though she knows she can get a decent jobb than her husband,decides to stay at home and look after her children and be a mom.Now that is a sacrfice and what is wrong with sacrifing for ur family?Nothing is more noble than that.Many women tend to have the idea of saying ''i'll not be his maid'',now even if u were to be a maid,what is wrong with being a maid for ur family?Eh,many women are kidding with many sorts of ideas this days but we can't deny that can we?Coz they got every reason to do that.

Originally posted by Oodweyne: Hello Folks , To : Mr. Xalane , To you I can only say that try as I might, I was never in a position, or was known for at all, as a someone who can decipher any passing gibberish nonsense that someone else seen fit enough to throw my side of the debate; hence, I was complete and insensibly flummoxed; particularly, when I have decided to see as to where you were heading with your line of cheap contortion of an argument in here. But, however, be that as it may, if ever, you improve your enormously important and multi-dimensional struggle with the English comprehension, with the view of making your argument henceforth, something that is half-way decent for others to get grips with; then, by all means, you are welcome to come back to us in that day; whilst you are baring in mind for our benefit, that you should bring it along something that will make your presence in our polite company of SOL's political forum, rather on the whole a decent sight that is worth tolerating it. Point taken and thanks for having been patient with Xalane.

Originally posted by Brownie: Someone needs to slap some sense into good LT.Xalane Me,i'll slapp the poor lieutenant for u. you said, They say,charity begins @home. There should be some kind of a progressive step by step process that has to be first met before you can embark on this liberation march. That is being done even as i am typing now.There is no warlord in mogadishu,the government in baaidabo is planning something and both the government and the new uprise are still talking. First & foremost,logically you would have to "liberate" somalia from its current state,then you would have to build a viable and a democratic stable government,then you would have to establish a good economy which inturn creates jobs and of course establish a strong army. As said,somalia is being liberated and any government built on the shariah is stable and viable aswell as democratical as of the shariah law and not according to the laws of the white man. Any realistic person who is void of bullsh1t nationalistic blood will tell you it might take a good number of years,perhaps say 30yrs.By then somaliland would have been recognised as a country and presumably built itself a strong nation,so invading it would not be as easy as you put it.Kenya is already ahead economically so it will be even tougher and we already couldnt liberate somalis from the xabashis and who knows they maybe occupiers by then. Eh,now this is quite some reasoning Now u are mixing things.Militarily,war can be engaged in any form and an enemy can be defeated in many probable ways.We don't need to be economically built to wage war against kenya or even Ethiopia.Eh,am not gonna be suprised if this new bandit sheikh even goes and captures Ethiopia but then i would be crazy to think like that.Anyways i understand ur point but the north secessionists will never get that enough time to do all that.A simple change in mogadishu is already tremmbling them,let alone a unified grand somalia. So it will be both economically and militarily monumental of a task for a young nation as somalia(it will be existing for only 30yrs) to wage war and capture lands from countries that have been stable for 70+ years.Unless of course we pray for miracles I agree.Actually,Somalia has a history of doing this.Wasn't Ethiopia defeated two times both in 1964 and in 1977 and wasn't ethiopa always existing and strong?Hey it even existed more than the 70 yrs u are talking about.Aren't my pple wierd warriors to do so?Yes they are, and what can stop them to do so again?Probably nothing can:D

Originally posted by Pure blood: quote: siyaad bare having bombarded them and by the way,siyaad bare bombarbed almost anything that came on his way Maj.Gen.Jalle Mxamed Siyaad Bare (Ilaahay haa u naxariisto) didn't bombared the citizens of "Somaliland," waxaad u baraten inn markasto afkiin aad kuso tagtiin. Really?Ok,on whose orders was the somali military carrying its large scale operations against somalians in somalia?The truth is,the man was wicked but he had his reasons,atleast he was better than the warlords.One more thing,tell me any one who got spared by siyaad bare's phangs for power?No somalian group was spared. P.s.The maj general part was quite decent of u.Am glad that many show their respects in honouring our soldiers,whether wicked or good.

Originally posted by Aniga waaye: Please tell us so we can congratulate them . Eh,this is awesome!

Originally posted by me: Brownie a few questions 5. How do you propose we persuade the secessionists to change their mind? By force? War? Or by democratic means? How about by any means possible?The truth is,pple can only be liberated when they want to and i don't think the pple who reside in the north want to be where the big bulls of power are taking them.Eventually if all available resources of changing their mind fails,then there is one that will always be open to any nationalist and that is liberating the nation even if it has to go through the dark levels of war.There is nothing more absurd than ur countryman denying his cizitenship and wants to be on his own with no good reason at all.Were it not for the colonialists that drew the lines on the globe right after world war two,wouldn't somalia have been the grand somalia it was supposed to be,a somalia with djibouti,with Nfd and with the occupied ******ia?Let it go down in to he minds of the secessionists ,somalia lacks peace now and its on its way to it,and when that happens,the absurd idea of secession would be quenched.

Now this is one dedicated nomad.I bet he can end up in the guinness book of the firsts.Eh,two women in one night! :eek:

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^^ I think you missed his point there, saaxib (or possibly it was done on purpose). In short, when he talks about toddlers, he’s not talking about age. He’s attempting to belittle your political knowledge. Eh,now i understand sxb.Shukran. Well sxb,u ain't the only one who is undecided about the somalian politics.Not long ago i was confused trying to side with either the tfg or the uic ,then i found that they were both biased and represented their own agendas rather than that of the nation.One thing i know for sure is that if the south becomes peaceful,there is a great possibility of all somalian lands to be liberated and the problem is that liberators do not exist and only pple liberate themselves. :confused:

Lol,i really don't understand why somaliland should free itself from somalia.I wouldn't mind if those who claim so,would give me some reasonable facts apart from siyaad bare having bombarded them and by the way,siyaad bare bombarbed almost anything that came on his way.One other thing i don't understand is the hate towards the south and the puntland side.Well,is it possible that the pple who dwell in somaliland actually are hijacked by some powerful hypocritic biased old men,i mean the ones in power? :rolleyes: P.s.somaliland means the land of the somalis and that is a general name for all somalian lands.Why don't they invent names like somalistan or any other name that they might think it would suit them?

was siyaad bare a good ruler?No.Was he a dictator?Yes.What do dictators do?They use any means possible to secure their control of power.Did he use his powers to destroy pple or to suppress pple?Yes he did. I don't see why we have to argue about siyaad bare,atleast he was a man who knew what he wanted unlike the present so called politicians or men of power.

even our toddlers The nomad brother called ''me'' summed up everything that needed to be said about oodweyne's post but what grudge does the man has towards toddlers?In his time if pple were graduating from uni in their old 40ies,today we have 20year old elites.Going back to the Islamic History coz he sounds to be ignorant of that,Young pple like osama led armies of sahabas to wars .Actually this man sounds like the old men who complained to Hadrat omar when ibn abbas was there saying ''we have little boys like him at home'' and when asked about the verse,they didn't know the meaning of it.In simple words,what am saying is that u do not speak like an old man would have let alone that of a wise man ,u just punished our eyes for reading a long post with no sense at all.Sxb kala saar caqli iyo waayelnimo.Waayelkasto ma aha aqyaar cilmi leh marka caruurta hadii ee kaa tilaabo dheereyen,dee ha hor boodine yara dhageeso awoowe.

Originally posted by Jimcaale: Ragoow aflagaado intaa le'eg ayaa kab iyo kal kuu sii dheer. Hablihii xishoodka lagu yaqiinay xagee ka dhaceen? Jimcaale,maandhow inan baratay fatuurad kaxees maaba xishood taqaan,xishoodka oo dhan eeba dardaran camal sxb..Acuudka aala dhahaa ee ka acudubileso.

Modesty abaayo majority Somali men are dayuus/khaniis/saqajaan/weak personality nymphos,lazy/bum/welfarerecepient/dropout/darbijiif, qabilist/qat-chewer/close-minded, liar/cheat/two-timer/criminal etc. This is oppression in its finest form.The faaraxs of sol might aswell claim to have been oppressed by the lines. :eek:

Originally posted by Endeavour: ^^ I was not in anyway trying to wound my Somali brothers. As always I have said Ethiopions are far more better looking than any other African nation. I have come across countless Somali men and women who object simply because of their Pride. But it's about time Somali men/women learn to accept facts at face value. Really?I don't know about the average faaraxs coz am one of them but i do know that the somali chocolate sistas rule the dome of beauty when it comes to camparison but there is only one problem with them and that is they do not maintain their beauty...An ethiopian man and a somalian man cannot be compared..Heedhe odayada soomaliyeed oo masakiinta ah oo qoxooti kusoo rafaaday ayaad rabtaa inaad itoobiyan xildiid kasoo shiireso inaad la sintid...Bal dhalanyarada ethiopia iyo kuweena isku sin... p.s. Proud to be a 21st century faarax

You come up with bizzare topics you know that? I think ignoring some basic issues that do happen in our communities is more bizarre than actually laying them on the table for discussion.

Just some wild thoughts, about the new Media terminology, please share your thoughts on the effectiveness of these terminology on our perception of reality. I have been thinking about that too and then i found some video on google that explains somewhat to an extent how the media is run today,an example is how the US media portrays the israelis as..i'll try to make a link to that video,i hope it works. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

Originally posted by Nur: Nomads A tough aqeedah question for you: We know that Laa ilaaha Illa Allahu, Muhammdan Rasuulullahu is the first Pillar of Islam, and the key to Paradise. What happens when a person who says this word, yet fails to understand its meaning? Does it protect him from committing Shirk? Does it help him in the day of Judgement? This is an open book test, consult your local Sheikh. Nur Maybe some sheikhs might not know coz to know and to understand are two different things e.g.one might know the quran and the hadiths and yet fail to understand and in the Quran . surah 3,al imran, 190,Allah (Swt) challenges men of understanding to think about the issues that are not to be overlooked. ''Verily In the creations of the heavens and the earth,and in the alternation of night and day,there are indeed signs for men of understanding''.. This was just an example to back up my claim of understanding being different from knowing though are connected to each other.U understand first then get to know.Back to the point now,One who doesn't understand or doesn't know the meanings of shahada and says it ,he just mentioned as a mention and not by knowledge or understanding.When the shahada is legible is when one understands the shahada,then believes in the principles of shahada and everything that follows and afterwords is when one confesses and says the words aloud.Allah knows best but Allah judges from understanding and knowing the things that one says and not by mentioning them for the sake of mentioning.So to answer ur question,nothing happens to a person who says the shahada while not understanding it or knowing it and the status of the person will not be different from before i.e is not muslim.Again,Allah knows best.

In otherwords,the inference is that pple would support warlords so long as they come from their clan or family.And the same pple would be talking about peace and reconciliation while harbouring the evil warlords and infact honouring them with titles like mudane or something like that.Sxb tuug xaqdaro maskiinta xoolaheda wax kunoqday mudnaashada uu mudanyahay bal mala ii sheegi karaa ? Qabqable oo dhan ayaa tuug ah waxeena mudanyihin in la daldalo.

Originally posted by Duufaan: Fine! I do not have any problem with sheik aweys but With Indhacade and some other people, the court will stay local. Indhacade is a known warlord and an oppressor and thats why many pple recent the uic for some of its members being fake sheikhs...Since when did a warlord become a sheikh and since when was a warlord given an important post like the one he holds now and not forgetting the other post he declined from previously...The islamic courts unlike the fake government in baidoa have their own agendas.They are nothing like patriots nor are they pple with honour.IF pple worship clan shyt,somalis do and thats the old corrupted generation and not the young ones...Whats the solution?Maybe we should kill all our fathers and grand fathers,they are the evil ones. :mad:

Originally posted by me: War? long bloody war? I am in favour of war, whether they invade or not. Eh but u are not the one who is gonna die in that war,its the poor common somalis that will be caught in btw the war.I'm in favour of war too but we haven't reached that time yet.First we need a state,then develop our defense forces and then redo everything that was destroyed and only thats when we can think of recorrecting 1977 and take our land back from the xabashi for good.Am sure this time there wouldn't be the kuubo naas dheer around to protect them from us.

But the question of the post hasn't been answered,what of if ethiopia invades and takes over the land?

To argue on the basis of either agreeing or disagreeing is one thing and calling names is another thing.So long as am concerned,the uic was created to neutralize the tfg.Its all the clan shit that has taken another course.To begin with,the pple of xamar could only be reunited by the notion of ''xukunka kitaabka'',and we all have seen the results of it.Another thing is that the assasinations that the former somali military officers of higher ranks that was going on in xamar has now shifted to baydhabo and this time its the politicians that are targetted.Who could benefit such sabotages of the tfg?Who could carry it out? On the other hand,if somalia has to be disarmed,force is a needed factor and if the tfg asks for international troops then its all cool,its just doing what its supposed to be doing.The involvement of ethiopia is wrong and somalis siding with her is very wrong and are traitors but could it be said that they were desperate as to be against an enemy behind an islamic cloak?One thing that is evident is that neither the tfg nor the uic serves the interests of the common somalian man and instead they have their own agendas. P.s.Raising questions is not a traitor's trait.therefore naxar is not a traitor in this context. P.s.The banners of the tfg,down.The banners of the uic,down.Viva the common somalian maskiin man. :rolleyes: