Daroor is where the war happened right?That was like two or three months ago?Heard from the BBC that one of the Suldans saying the war happened coz of wheat flour.Some body should deliver wheat there before some other 200 kill themselves for wheat.

Whoever defects should be executed.Simple indeed.

How so?

The boys should be trained and serve as a paramilitary police.We also need to develop paramilitary organizations,they can be small in numbers and they will be serving their xaafado since they the civilians will both have the right tools and know how to say no to those enemy activities by force.This will really give no chance to those who throw mortars from civilian populated xaafado and this will again save the civilians from being shelled.We are not long from Covering all the essentials,but in time with the right implementations we will.A good development,Finest of respects to the Police Chief.Nice Job.

Good that the clash stopped but the hatred for Puntland that some folks in this thread have and the islaanimo that is being claimed at the same time,is indeed the finest brew of Hypocrisy.Boys,Carry on!

Originally posted by Khalaf: Questions: 1. What does Somalia look like, what does the future hold for Somalia as a whole? What will be the place/role of Ethiopia inside somalia, since it paid dearly for this conflict? Ethiopia will and must go back to its borders and so are the peace keeping troops in general after their work is done.The somalian army aided by the police will take over the security measures 2. What about any somali army? We will have our own somalian national troops.However,their size might not be more than 3 or 4 divisions.It means the army will be weak and will develop with time. 3. Will the Ethiopian soldiers (how many are there now?), withdraw? What about peacekeepers? Will Somalia be like a Kosovo? The Ethiopians in somalia are said to be around 25,000 troops and among them are; One battalion armed with Artillery types; Howitzer D-30,heavy mortars such as 82mm and 120mm mortars,Towed M-198 and 122 artillery,BM 21 and BM 11.Another tank and armored battalion armed with tanks and BTR,BRDM personnel carriers.Its a whole Brigade aided by at least two or one dispatched unit. Either way in this scenario, wouldn’t Somalia as a nation be weak and at the mercy of Ethiopia and outsiders? We will be weak. What are their weapons, connections, strategy, their ultimate objective? Mainly Assault AKM's klashnikov and M16's,others include general purpose machines guns such as the PK and PKM.They also have 50mm mounted on vehicles aka technicals.They also have some heavy machine guns such as the DSHK 12.77 mm and is Russian made. Their strategy; 1.Fight in over populated areas.(use the populace as human shields)- 2.Adopt insurgency like techniques. 3.Use the death of the civilians to pressure the government. 4.Adopt Qabiil based claims. 5.Ultimate objective is to refuse or reject any Government at all costs no matter what. Conclusion; Ethiopia is poor and has its own military challenges in its own homeland.This operation was not a long term campaign at its onset and thus the mere moment the involved militias are disarmed they should go back to their country.Secondly,this Government will function if force is used and thirdly no sort of negotiations will ever work in somalia,Diplomacy had 16 years and it failed and thus lets give the military solution a chance.

Brother Bob and Taliban both of u are correct,however i disregard them both,Bob cheated and was honest and am sure Taliban cheated too unless he has a copy of his memoir .All the same,the floor is all urs,i'll pass it to Taliban for i have had my share.Taliban don't make us wait for long eh.

Val,alright,u have a valid point there.Not all could be said were responsible and on the other part,not all can be said are responsible too.Marka sheekada oo dhan ma aha in hal meel lagu kuuso ee waxaan ku iri,ragu waligood saan uma eesan dayacsaneen ee mushaakilka waxaa keenay islaanta reerka larabay ineey maamusho oo layiri adiga shaqey oo waxkasto maxuu ahaaye kala wad.Aduunyada hada ee raadinayan waa maxay oo awal aan jirin?Hablayahow iska iloowba kibirkan yar oo aad ku jah wareerteen. Wale waxaase yaab ah sheekadi Guurka oo noqotay ama abu lix mitir ama abu kibir nooc minal bidraani.Waryee yaabka yabkis,sxb as i told u the educated spinsters wax dhaamo maleh,kuwaasa nolosha runta soo taabtay hadii kuwaas aad nafta siin weeysana dee mid reer baadiye ah oo magaceeda sida loo qoro aad adigu bartid ka raadso Dhulkii iyo Afriko and finally waxaad ogaata kuweenas wareersan wax dhaamo maleh.

The Coward in the BDU never shot a single bullet and still he is a mujahid to them.

No.Not Napoleon.Give another Try.

Lily,i won't refuse that.Its a nice approach.Laakinse on the other hand u have kuwo kibray oo bidraamay oo kibir waxeey ka gaareen kuleh ''our needs''.Dee marki lasoo aroosay soo ma eesan ogeen ineey needs leedahay iyada?Yaa udiiday needs ka baas oo ee raga ku wareeriyen? Val,xashac!Today women know their position so what?Waxaan maqli jiray hebel xabad wiifto ah baa kudhacday oo wuu Dhintay laakinse maal mahan sheekada waxeey isku bedeshay hebel xabad singal maadar ah oo wiifeyso buu kudhacay.Marka xaalku hada meeshas buu taagan yahay ee the involved chicks have two options: 1.Ineey kibirka iska iloowban oo ee dantooda raacdan ayagoo qoyska dandiisa ka hormarinayo tooda laciifka ah waayo Hooyada waa the back bone of the family ineey iyadana ee reer dhan ku burburiso coz of her needs waa imaan la aan. 2.In ee wareerka ee hada kujiraan iyo singal maadarnimada baas iyo Qoyska oo dayacmo iyo iyada oo banaanka kusoo dhacdo in ee doorbido taasna waxaa sii daba socota,su'aasha ah ''is it worth it''. Sidaad u eegtaba,wax dhaamo maleh nooc minal lix mitir inkastoo ayaguna ee too much wareer iyo xadiis ee dadka raaxada ooga Qaadan. A question though,what more would a wife want than respect,honor,patience,perseverance and comradeship from her husband?Don't the men too have needs?What makes me burst my @ss out there and work like never before for the family iyadana while she is at home looking after the kids and teaching them the principles?Or she wants to work right?Fine,i'll look after my kids,let her provide for the family and even so,i won't be as important as her coz she is a mother and a father can never replace her.There is more at stake than mere personal needs and materialistic wants. Well,we all have our ways and the husband is responsible for the family ee hada ma waxaad nagu heesataan our sacred rights of being responsible over women and the family in general?

The only trap that was there was the one of using Islam for their bizarre businesses and the TFg never fell for that infact we were very patient with them and some on our ranks were growing very impatient to the point of giving up and thus,when we waited,they made their first moves and all we had to do was to sweep them.The TFg lost no reputation from the Somalian republic at large and one sub sub thing that has an issue won't stop it.However on the last part where u say ''If a goal of someone is death as you said it was theirs, then you are the tool used to do that for sake of theirs.. do u think'',I think there is some truth to it which can be debated upon on the Diplomatical level but when using the application of a militray solution,by all means their problems has to cease with their extinction.I do favor for one thing though,i favor for their absolute abolishment than having to deal with them on a periodical basis i.e. Fruitless negotiations.As for the Civilian toll,wasn't there a high number of casualties in their war with the warlords?Whichever way u look at it,the civilian suffering was always ignored and thus the objectives were always put first,the same could be said about here.Infact,a peaceful stable nation is worthy the deaths that are now happening than multiple of deaths from time to time.Again,the objectives should come first.

Thanks Bob. Which able General said; The whole art of war is to gain your objective with as little loss as possible Folks,stick to the rules eh.Bob,i won't be in trouble,am sticking to cent's rules.

Originally posted by Dabshid: Who said in history? "Ha israacdo diidee, Ha israab satee daa" General Siyad barre?

Brother Bob,even the imam had to consult with others ninyohow. Answer;sayidina cali?

But u didn't get it,6 is the official and whenever u wanna be busy u'll have another two,struggle with them for a while and see that the kids are bored,so u have another 3 and see how it goes and then everything becomes too much for u then u decide what the heck,then u have another 4 and just when things are getting crazier u decide to punish ur kasband and think,ok,how about some more 2 kids so that the guy works his @ss out and gives u all the time u need for urself and thus gets only few hours off,and yeah ,thats what am talking about

Originally posted by Emperor: ^^Captain I ask you few questions, do you believe your TFG has the moral high ground, do u think it is a legitimate government for Somalia, and do you advacate for peace. Yes i do.Its the first hope in 16 years thats any where near as to be able to secure the long lost peace of the republic.And yes,i advocate for none but for peace at all costs no matter what. I await your answers, OOh and on other hand do you believe this anti-TFG group are a bunch of terrorits? Do you think their only goal is to just cause death and destruction? They became an obstacle to peace and sought military power in its pursuit.I believe they are terrorists in that they are terrorizing the poor civilians up to today by using them as human shields and by having oppressed them in the past.

Dadkeeni hore ayagoo wax kale iska dhaafe dumarku weey ka xishoon jireen in odaygu arko iyadoo wax cuneesa.Laakin maal mahan nooc minal casri alaab ladhoho oo kibir ka batay baa soo baxay.Wale imaan la aan hada dadki waxeey geesay heer sare oo bacda inkaaran laisku tuuro.So i say,markii ladhoho qofta iyadaa caziizad ah oo Boss ka reerka ah,dee maan gaab oo dhan would abuse that and kick everything on the way.Taas baa keentay furniinka badan ninyohow.And yes,dumarkii baa maalmahan wax furo.Hadii aad maqashid furniin baa dhacay,lol,the man is just there for a figure of speech laakin furida dumarka ayaa sameeyo maal mahan ninyohow. JB ninyohow on the other side,we have the new wadaado.Waxkasto waa wada aqi iyo uqti,very formal mana umaleesid labo qof oo isqabo in ee yihin.Haba yeeshe,if u tell her that xadiis hebel says u should do that and that,with out being asked a question she will do it.Yep,abu jalaabib lix mitir kuwa ah oo masaajidka kabixin wax dhaama wale maleh maal mahan and they too have their issues and waxkasta will be about this and that and this and that and thus u won't have a room to breathe yaaqay.Wale yaabka yaabkis inuu yaabo xaq buu uleeyahay.

Originally posted by Yaabka-Yaabkiis: amar doowlo mudiic ninki diido dabal Cynical,Ah come on,for u 15 children,no problem eh?

Originally posted by Emperor: ^^Caqli yeelo sxb dad masaakiin layntooda waa sax ayaad meesha lasoo taagantahay Exactly,so let them fight in the open,or use the legal Guerrilla tactics and methods and not use the poor civilians as nothing more than human shields to meet with their demands.

Yaabka,the pple are being used as human shields and the opposition hails that and calls it a Jihad.Remember when they left Xamar for kismayo saying that they did that for the safety of the civilians and then if they were true to their word,why not honor their claim and not fight behind women and children.Its a simple Question,would u not protect urself if a man put before himself a bunch of women and kids and is rallying behind them with a loaded gun and wants to kill u?The tactics of using the poor fellows won't work and if the government allows them to get away with it,nothing will ever be right.Ofcourse,their deaths are wrong and un ethical for they are dying by the use of the other side and their blood is not on the government but on the opposition.Now,if the opposition makes these deaths religiously Legible,what do u make of it?Mark my words,those pple are dying and they are being assassinated by Selfish cowards who think they are some sort of warriors and unfortunately if by the Government doing its job involves securing peace and the pple are being used as shields,then there is no alternative but to do meet with the required objectives and ignore the civilian casualties.

1.I care less for who lives and dies. 2.Fighting against the cowards,u know who. 3.I oppose those who oppose me for using religion as an excuse.Let them oppose me for the truth behind their opposition and put forward their interests and talk about them and not the other way round and tell me not a whole load of garbage and use religion to meet with their personal interests.Thats what hypocrisy is all about. No am not lost and am not lying to myself.I am not wearing a Qamiis and a fake beard to get my things done or have my say and what i want is clear and u are wrong,am not talking in riddles,riddles are for the potatoes and the weak men that do not have the Guts to say whatever they have in their mind for they worry about many other less important issues.The rest as always is un important and next time,u might wanna drop the fake Religious Gown and put ur real interests and facts on the table.That is indeed simple for the honest,but difficult for the hypocrites amongst who hide behind religion.

And now the Good Mujahids are abusing Mothers eh. Kamaal,do not worry about the Qabiil priests for they have no power whatsoever but point blank fingers.Gone are the days they reigned.

Let the philanthropists worry about that.What somalia needs is a military solution and thats what its getting now.

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12: All muslim criticise the i.c.u if they engaged in the actions you accuse them of. We reject the alleged looting of property and the oppression of minority clans. You on the other hand support an enemy of the Muslim people of Somalia( Meles Zenawi) thus you wholheartedly embrace his: support, armoury, killing and destruction of the Somalia people. You wholeheartedly praise,day and night the drills of the cross wearing fanatics from the Highlands. You wholeheartedly support and fail to condemn their: bombing of somali civilians, the rape of Somali woman and the mass secret detentions of Somali citizens. Therefore, take you Islam to Meles Zenawi and his cohorts, no offense! Geeljire u are mistaken for one,i am not using Islam as an excuse to cover my rights and wrongs but solely that of my objectives.Secondly i support peace by all means and if i have to liquidate by the thousands,i will do it.As for Ethiopia,Well,our Government called them and they called them for a good reason and any kill they make is a kill the Government made and yes,i would kill and bombard the heck out of anything on the way of peace.If the enemy is using the local population as human shields,even that won't stop me and the Government from dealing with the involved cowards who merely are using women and children.However,if u are asking or if u should be concerned about somalis and those who are dying,ur right question should be ''who is dying and for what are they dying and for what cause and who is benefiting from the civilian deaths''.U ponder about that and tell me if its the Government or the clowns who are benefiting from the said situation .As for the Drills,they will continue till no single one of them stands,till every hide out of theirs is burnt,till they are definitely made to cease and thus be as good as extinct.Those stances are very clear and are nevertheless in a state of confusion or doubt.Its official,damn very official!