What insults are u talking about? U like ur cousin (forgot his nick) flip flopped and all for what?And yeah one more thing,aren't u the dude that was emotional and all tears and bid the forum a farewell?Aah,maybe its the nick change that brought about some double personallity thing.As for right and wrong,u are right.Flip flopping suits u just fine.Now,enough of ur earlier submission and ******* like winks,come up with something concrete or retire and come back when u grow some beard. [ March 15, 2007, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

In short,what these pple are trying to tell us is that there is an insurgency and the unsurgency fights the common public since whatever they throw,only affects the public and no other forces.Or are they saying that there is an insurgency whereby the insurgents are all blind?

A flip flopper accusing some one of tribal bigotry is no miracle.Economist has a point,there are pple who unlawfully occupy houses,farms,Government buildings and etc,that doesn't belong to them.

Courage dear boy,is only but a mere second.Save all the talk for the philanthropists for neither am i interested in the virtues of that war nor its vices.The only thing i can see in those clips,is nothing but the beauty of war,the harmony of the troops and the tune of morale.That dear boy,is something to be proud of and proud i am.

Nabadshe what else do u have but empty bravados?come up with something chewable.This is the politics forum and what is the relationship between the military and politics?Go to school,learn and maybe ignorancy won't fail u again.

Khaleed bin Walid,welcome onboard,its a pleasure to have u with us.

Originally posted by Samurai Warrior: In the late 70s and early 80s when similar acts of atrocious savagery were being committed against the civilians in parts of present day Puntland, Mudug and Nugaal to be more specific in the hands of none other than Morgan, Tanzani, Dhagaweyne to name a few (mind you Morgan is a son of these regions whilst the latter two were of Hargeisa/Burco) many innocent civilians perished, and certain I am you would not want anyone glorifying their downfall, or being shelled let alone speaking ill of their persecution in the name of defending the nation. All those were uprisings and they have been suppressed.I care less for the virtues and the vices involved,my comments are purely based on the Army's structure and line of engagement.As for the fallen,there are many reasons and many to be blamed,am not interested in that either and thus,i see nothing but great men doing a great service in their best.I dislike Some of Gen Morgan's engagements,thats militarily,though it never was his faults but i do greatly admire him for not blinking twice(even when shelling his own folks) and thus do his job.Thats an example of a great General and an inspiration to many future somalian Officers.Again,as for the virtues and vices,i care less for they are un important,and so are the casualties,what mattered most was the objective and it was well done.It was well done! ************************************************* Edit:Nabadshe,u are day dreaming,i share no single blood drop with Gen morgan but ur simple mind can't give u that there exist a pple who look beyond tribe and beyond all else interms of principles.Guess what,the secessionist mafia won't get that land,and yesterday it was morgan tomorrow its gonna be Xalane and Co that will bring it down to its knees and the same applies to any other part that poses threats.Sleep on that!

Originally posted by Abwaan: This is sick. Xalane can I ask you what happen to the Army you are talking about? I can't even call them army but bunch of murderers and most of them got what they deserved. U mean what happened to Somalia, for the army was somalia and vice versa.If they were murderers then u call a whole nation and its civil servants as nothing but murderers and thats kinda absurd don't u think? U are right,they tried to assasinate Morgan,those were the earlier days before the whole drill began.Unfortunately for them,their plans didn't work and the General turned out to be cunning. And yes,the man giving the interview is the legendary Lt.Colonel Aweys,there are other notable officers with him,among them are Col maxamad and etc. As for his fate and all their fates,don't all mortals have their own fates?So whatever happened to him is of no significance but their services to their nation are very significant. Northerner,am not avoiding anything,its just that ur questions are irrelevant.I know what am saying but do the sensitive little minds know what they are saying? As for Garaad bari's comment,he is right.The SNM like the SSDF,like the UNC,like the SPM were under the xabashi.So the xabash becomes ur father when it suits u and an enemy when otherwise.Try it else where,Xalane won't buy that. Nomadique,a great General i admire once said''In great crisis, it is the lot of women to soften our misfortunes'',.All the same,thanks for the advice.

Originally posted by Taliban: You didn't get it, chump. I was referring to the current traitorous commanders who are proportionally and mercilessly bombing civilians. Dude,u meant otherwise.All the same,its un important.

Nobody is gonna ask u what they were coz they were the finest commanders of the only functioning Government u ever had.After them was nothing so ur claim is absurd just like ur notion is.They were somalis and maybe the last of the lot and now that they are gone,what are u but ur mere clan?See,thats exactly what they were doing,stopping such stances.See,u are confused,dude they were the past not the present and thus, were useful and very efficient.

Originally posted by Ahmed_Guree: You see the somalilanders are good at making stories. Ahmed u could be right on the other points,but am afraid the morgan part is no propaganda.He is the man in the civilian clothes talking,the one with the big beard.He reappears several times in his full woodland BDU(battle dress uniform).He did well in that war but lacked one key regiment of the 60th division based in bay and bakool,that commandos regiment was fighting at the bakool front.All the same,the boys did well.

Originally posted by Cambarro: Oh it is clear alright. It is quite ruthless on your part. War is ruthless!Reread the ethics of war and their application.A simple question,what did u want that army to do?To tell the militia to leave the city and save human lives?Maybe beg the militia or maybe strike a deal with them?In military terms,the city was a tacticalstrategical position for the SNM and for the SNA(somalian national army) to deal with them,had no choice but to directly confront them. Northerner and Geeljire,This is not a fadhi ku dirir discussion. P.s.The rights and the wrongs are not for me or for the commanders to judge ,they have their orders and the clips are about nothing but responsible men going about their responsibility.So long as am concerned,they were doing a remarkable job.Their co ordination,consultation and structure was a very impressive one.Thats an army of every commander's dreams.Look at in the end of part one,Col maxamad muxumad talking about his battalion's movements(though he should have been with the 1st battalion and not at the artillery command).Thats a proud commander and yes,i am proud of every single one of them!

Chemical,pleasure to have u onboard ,welcome.

What part isn't clear?Be it an American,an izraeli,an arab, A somali,a european and etc,So long as an army has its objectives in hand,they will execute them regardless of what and no human life is as worthy as those objectives.Thats a militray reality for u!

Cambaro,whoever dies ,dies as a casualty of war,be it a wife,a son,a father and mother and etc.Am not concerned with the virtues of what they are doing or the rights and wrongs,am just concerned about their job and uniformity.Thats a proper functioning army there, doing one helluva great job.As to the vices and the virtues involved,thats for the pple to condemn or hail. By the way,who hasn't lost pple in any somalian war and what war doesn't have casualties?Let alone dying,some of those commanders must have had family members in there and remember,it was nothing personal,it was just another war and an elimination of a threat just like any other.A commander is not a commander if he blinks twice and starts to get funny ideas,that aint his job,its somebody else's job.

Boys,easy with the sensitivity,this got nothing to do with TFg and what have u,its all about legitimate commanders of a legitimate nation fighting against an inside threat and yes they are doing what they are best at and they are doing a pretty great job.I ain't apologising and won't apologize,if i had the chance,i would have done the same if not more.If u want somebody to blame,blame those so called mujahids for using innocent folks as shields. Hunguri,an objective is ten times more valuable than any human life and those commanders lives themselves is less valuable than their objectives.This got nothing to do with TFG,the war happened 1989 and so forth.Welcome to a military reality,potatoes!

Boys don't be scared,those same commanders were all watching out for u and ur well being.Peace and stability u speak of jimcaale,what is peace with out a strong hand to keep the laws of the nation?If the peace u speak of isn't worthy of the blood they are willing to give,why do we need them or any other security enforcement?

War by nature is ruthless and those commanders are doing their job by the book.An enemy is in the city and the same enemy is using the civilians as human shields,regardless of the situation,their job is to liquidate the enemy combatant and thats what they are doing.Its not something to cheer up for,its something to be proud of.

Thats how the Artillery commander at all times should be.Proper consultation and co-ordination at all times.Those who claimed that artillery fire couldn't be precise might learn from the clips too. Drill one Drill two P.s.The boys did one helluva great job,i salute them.

Cambaro I'll give her ,her daily wifey wages plus a couple of kids to make herself busy with.Am definately not worried about my cajuuso,She will be just fine. But hey,if the family has enough economical resources,why should she work?She can get her shahaados and what have u but since all those stuff are basically intended for cash generation,she can generate cash and still be the house cajuuso,so long as she gets paid.And she is getting paid isn't she.

Thats exactly what i want my cajuuso to be doing.I'll either work and waits or she will work and i'll do the baby sitting thing.No rafaad for me and her at the same time,it wont be good for the kids.

Galaal had two choices,to either be involved or peacefully be neutral.He is neither and thus comforts disgrace.

I understand what u mean though mine is even worse.

No he is not the right man for the jobb.If they should give him a post,they should give him the presidential guard post.Barre Hiirale should also be demoted.The same goes to his deputy,the over all deputy head of the armed forces.What we need are combat officers.General siccid farax gooje,General cirtooje,Col cumar jees and his ex rival colonel Cabdi cirbo jare,Xirsi joqof and co, are the right men for these sort of Drills.

Cambaro yaabo aniga idiidi karo horta? :confused: Horta hore cambaroy,bal ii waran,xaalka soo mac iyo jug ma aha?