Juxa! You need to read more Fantasy books!!! Escape from your mundane everyday life right before you go to bed by picking up a good epic fantasy book. This will cleanse your mind from all the drama that occurred throughout the day, and you will sleep like a baby. This period of rest allows your brain to restore sufficient amounts of neurochemicals that will contribute to you waking up fresh in the morning ready to slay any of your adversaries!

Dahabshiil is a Somali conglemerate, which has ties with every single Somali person world-wide. These claims are absurd, but absurdity like extremism, hate and spite are all part of a destructive element called qabiilism. Like a deranged monster it targets anything good associated with the Somali name and devours it until that source of goodness is nothing more than a skeleton, a shell, a ruin.

Being raped is the worst thing that can happen to a person. It's very traumatic and a victim usually turns into a recluse and regresses within. I remember seeing a good movie on this issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_(film)

This is a good one. I don't think I would be able to maintain a healthy relationship with a woman that obliterates my ambitious dreams through words. She would instantly become an object I like to avoid at all times, instead of my best friend, which is what your wife is supposed to be: This guy sure has us all figured out!:cool:

I recognize the "nothing box", what else would explain my brothers and I; late Saturday night viewings of Wild life documentaries and Teleshopping ads, with our mouths wide open, and thoroughly enjoying this vegetable state? This used to annoy the heck out of our mum, and now I know why. The systemization of the brain he referred to in the form of "boxes" is very interesting, though I visualised it as a hallway full of doors. Studying would be one door, working another, love-family-friends another, Gym another, Writing another, Internet another, etc. I close each one before going to next. If some are open at the same time, I malfunction and run to my "nothing box".

Interesting pics of light attack craft for the new Navy: http://www.camaloow.com/news.php?readmore=1927 Let's hope its continues to grow in both man-power, country-wide facilities and naval capability, so our waters are again secured by Somali men and women:

LOOOOOL!! What an EPIC moron this Museveni guy is. There are no warplanes in Somalia targeting civilians, the only Somali Hawker still in the air is the one in downtown Hargeisa, and the only air-traffic in Somalia is done by the flourishing Somali airline companies. Walahi brothers & sisters lets rebuild the Somali Military fast so these type of dirty war profiteering dictators are purged from our country.

First we have to reclaim important Somali symbols. I will start with a very significant one; Majestic Mogadishu, the capital of the Somali World. It belongs to all of us. A good reconstruction plan and we are back to having the most beautiful metropolis in East Africa (and the oldest capital in Sub-Saharan Africa). Before the war every Somali in the world had a relative or a friend living in cosmopolitan Mogadishu. A Somali engineer in Dubai, a Somali seamen in Denmark, or a Somali student in America, (and many others in the then tiny Somali diaspora) all prided themselves in the fact that they came from a country that had a city dubbed "The Pearl of the Indian Ocean", and that ocean is very big! If this Somali symbol is controlled by intelligent forward thinking Somalis, we will have a powerful engine that can uplift every Somali person on the planet. We already know what the situation looks like when myopic, ignorant and hateful individuals covet this symbol for themselves; chaos, bad global rep, no representation follows. This is the main reason why anti-Somali elements such as our neighbours made it their prime policy to always add fuel to the fire in this particular city. As long as a country's capital is at war, the world will think the whole country's is at war. This Somali symbol is a powerful weapon, and as history has shown when it's wielded in a responsible manner, it has an immense positive influence towards the general progression of the Somali people. The city's Somali & Eastern architecture (both medieval and modern) combined with classical Western influences makes it one of the most charming and authentic feeling cities on the continent. There is no need for us to build dumb glass towers, we should respect our heritage by rebuilding & adding-on accordingly. Stockholm, the capital of Sweden is a good example we should follow in peace time: Mogadishu, Somalia Stockholm, Sweden In-fact I think something equivalent to this Neoclassical Soviet legacy in Warsaw would suit a reconstructed Mogadishu perfectly: Warsaw, Poland

Br CD0000;703770 wrote: Don't be a stickler for religion? Well, that pretty much sums up your attitude towards the deen and explains your utter disreagrd to all that Islam teaches us on this issue. Why are you even responding to this thread? Culture first, deen somewhere after that. It was obvious from the second you started posting. Bro, where in the deen does it say your allowed to chat with a sister without her mahram(s) and with the intention of marriage? Nowhere! This was you and her being part of a well-known sub-culture called "Social networking". You highlighted your background as simply being a "Revert", this can be seen from the title of this thread; Revert Br, Somalian Sr (not "Revert brother with a question"), and your later vague reference to being from one part of the European continent (as if its some monolithic entity) clearly shows ethnicity means nothing to you, yet you highlighted the sister's ethnic background for some reason. I know why, because the ethnic sobriquet you used for the person you want to marry is part of an established cultural complex. It's her language and culture that makes her a "Somali" otherwise she would be indistinguishable from an Afar, a Beja, or an Oromo. Why would it be important to mention her background but not yours? Why would you sign up to a Somali forum instead of the many all-inclusive Islamic forums out there, if mainstream Islamic advice is what your looking for? Secondly do you even know the historic role "culture" played in Islam wherever it took root? Do you honestly believe the lavish Rashidun and Ottoman Mosques with their iconic domes in the early and medieval centuries of Islam just magically appeared in Baghdad and Istanbul or was this simply a case of the Caliphs taking Sassanid Persian and Byzantine Greek culture and mold it into new architectural styles? A language like Arabic was for many years a vehicle for Arab culture and predates Islam by centuries, but this didn't stop the Prophet Pbuh from using it, in fact it became the language of the Qur'an! Many aspects of the Sunnah are rooted in Arab culture, yet a billion muslims around the world follow it because it compliments the deen. Therefore it's a bit pretentious for you to say to us "culture first, deen later" when historically there are thousands of examples where they have gone hand in hand perfectly. Even in modern times hundreds of millions of muslims including yourself are very much a part of a cultural phenomena called the Internet for self-development and the pursuit of happiness. It's perfectly understandable for the Somali parents in question to be concerned about your family if you consider them an important backbone in your personal life, in terms of support and other issues. For them to deny you on that basis is certainly allowed!

^Regulate with Warren G is my favorite. I hate Rap in general, but he a real melodic voice: Malika, try without weights, the movement alone is good for the back. Also your back(spine) is full fluids, make sure you keep yourself warm when you go outside, or during wintertime.

^^Warya, we all know what your typical high school day looked like: Marx getting smashed by his classmate Ivan from Bulgaria - LOL Valenteenah.;702670 wrote: Not for me, it isn't. Why pay 20 quid for a BluRay DVD when I can get a normal one for a quarter of that? Honestly. (Plus I haven't got myself a BluRay DVD Player yet, innit). True, but mine came automatically with a PS3, otherwise I don't think I would have bought a BRplayer, despite my earlier post.

Insha-allah not a single ethnic Somali will be casted. I enjoyed watching "The Expendables" in the cinema precisely because no ethnic Somali was blown to smithereens. Nobody I have spoken with or told my background off ever brought up any of those movies because they can't put two and two together. When I teach them Somali words, its unlike anything they have ever heard. While the Arabs, Chinese and Russians portrayed as villains in movies (played by actors of the same ethnicity or similar looking ones) are recognised instantly both through looks and speech. Somalina, if you can find the guys that used to run the Somali Film Agency, you would be able to locate Somali films that had million dollar budgets and won international awards. A return to this is what we should strive for; talented Somali film-makers portraying our people and country not as villains but as humans.

Val, its 2011, the "Age of Blueray"!

I don't think that would be fair sxb, from the age of 14 I attended Kickboxing classes, and if I had pursued this avenue as a career, I would be an A-Level class fighter or a European/Asian Champion like two of my friends. The fact that I weigh 80kg consisting of lean muscle, and you weighing probably around the 70-ish-kg, most of it blubber, means you are outclassed. Also I don't trust you, you seem like the type that would hide an AK-47 somewhere in that Hargeisan cage your inviting me to.

Malika, squatting weights will strengthen your back!

Valenteenah.;702370 wrote: Wham, bam, thank you Van Damme! He's a crap actor, but I love his films (actually watched Hard Target on TV last week). Really, have you seen JCVD? JCVD: Jean-Claude Van Damme Kicks His Own Azz! To the uninitiated, a movie called JCVD sounds as if it's about Jesus getting the clap. But action fans will recognize the acronym of kick-boxing action star Jean-Claude Van Damme — the former European middleweight karate champ who became known as the Muscles from Brussels for headlining such middling fare as Universal Soldier and No Retreat, No Surrender . ( See the 100 best albums, movies, TV shows and novels of all time. ) That was in the '80s and early '90s. In the past decade, as his films have gone direct-to-video, Van Damme's career trajectory has been direct-to-commode. So he must have figured he had nothing to lose when Brussels-based director Mabrouk El Mechri offered Van Damme the chance to play himself, more or less, as a hapless has-been who gets enmeshed in a bank robbery. He was right: JCVD — which opens this weekend in New York City, and Nov. 14 in Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Jose and Washington, D.C. — is the best movie Van Damme ever made (granted, not the highest encomium), and a cogent, probing, funny critique on celebrity in its downalator phase. Van Damme's athletic forte, kick-boxing, is like soccer in a boxing ring — except that instead of kicking a ball you kick someone in the balls. The opening scene of JCVD gives the star a showcase and a workout. Van Damme dodges bullets and bad guys; he gets singed by a blowtorch and whacked by an opening car door. In return he uses all the artillery and furniture around him — a machine gun, a revolver, a knife, a pole, a barrel, hand grenades and his fists and feet — to kill or disable a couple dozen ruffians. The cool gimmick: the whole three-minute scene is accomplished in one shot; no cuts, no stunt doubles. (This is apparently unusual for Van Damme. One director who had worked with him said to me that the star employed 12 guys to double him in the more draining action bits, "like walking across a room.") It's all part of a movie Van Damme is shooting, but something goes wrong toward the end of the scene, and when he complains to the Asian director, he is contemptuously dismissed. (Van Damme was the first Western action star to work with the best Hong Kong directors: Corey Yuen for No Retreat, No surrender , John Woo for Hard Target , plus two films with Tsui Hark and three with Ringo Lam. Few of them enjoyed the experience; it was like a surcharge on their visas to Hollywood.) This time, however, he begs to do a retake, though it will exhaust his well-sculpted but battered 47-year-old body. The director will have none of this: "He still thinks he's making Citizen Kane? " Our depleted hero has also been getting heat from a custody case back in L.A. At the hearing, his ex-wife's attorney accuses him of being a poster boy for mindless violence: "How does this actor play Death? Let me count the ways: mangled under the wheels of a truck, strangulation, fracturing the skull, taking out the tibula, laceration, crushed under the wheels of a car, death by strangulation, crushed ribs, fracturing the skull, gouging the eyes..." It's a catalog that would send mothers fleeing from him in horror, and Van Damme's dwindling army of fanboys rushing to video stores. The JCVD script, by El Mechri and Frederic Benudis , brings Van Damme back to Brussels where cab drivers and video-store hounds still recognize him, but nothing else is going right. His agent's screwing him, the court case has gone against him, he's low on funds... and now, as he enters a bank to try to cash a check, he finds it's been commandeered in a heist. The cops on the street figure Van Damme must have cracked and gone to the dark side, while the robbers are only too happy both to exploit his fame and taunt him for being unable to overcome their guns with his kick-boxing. Even Van Damme's mom believes he's the perp, not the victim, of the hostage takeover. In Run, Lola, Run fashion, the hostage scene is played three times with subtle, crucial variations, each replay revealing more of the mystery. The climax has a few different outcomes too. But El Mechri's interest is in playing with the "real" legend of a washed-up star. It seems pretty unsparing. With the star looking puffy and played out, and with so many references to his off-screen philandering and drug use, the movie bears comparison to Mickey Rourke's turn in The Wrestler , which like JCVD played the Toronto Film Festival, and which opens in the U.S. next month. (It happens that El Mechri's previous feature, Virgil , was also about a fighter on the skids.) But JCVD is sharper, crueler, way funnier than The Wrestler . The movie is a vision of the wages of fame that's part parody, part exposé, part justification. The clincher is an unbroken 6-1/2 min. take of Van Damme in close-up, as the star makes a confession of his personal and career sins. "What about drugs?" he asks. "Because of a woman — well, because of love — I tried something and I got hooked. ... I was wasted mentally and physically, to the point that I got out of it." At the end he gives his apologia and renders a harsh sentence: "It's not my fault if I was cut out to be a star. I asked for it. I asked for it, really believed in it, When you're 13 you believe in your dream. Well, it came true for me. But I still ask myself today what have I done on this earth?" Through his tears he shouts, "Nothing! I've done nothing!" So Monsieur Macho ends up crying. It is the finest, most scab-pulling performance I've seen this year, and I'm not kidding. Van Damme has been known as a martial-arts legend, movie star and pain in the ***. But never an actor — until now. By the end of his confession he could be like Robert Downey, Jr., playing Jean-Claude Van Damme. Except that there's less bravado, more real pain, because the Muscles from Brussels looks as he's giving one hell of an emotional battering to himself. Except he's not, the director says in press notes. He's acting — in the greatest action-passion scene Jean-Claude Van Damme has ever pulled off. http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1857303,00.html TIME MAGAZINE - SHORT LIST JCVD - His career and life on the skids, movie stud Jean-Claude Van Damme comes home to Brussels and gets tangled in a bank-heist drama. Director Mabrouk El Mechri weaves real and reel life into a dark meta-comedy. As for the star, he deserves not a black belt but an Oscar. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1858885,00.html --- Ain't he a bit too old to fight though? He's 50-ish, but still training hard and is in better shape than most twenty year olds.

Van Damme quotes: - You don't need a flash to photograph a rabbit that already has red eyes. -According to statistics, one person out of five is disturbed. If there are four people around you who seem normal, that's not good. - - If you phone a psychic and she doesn't answer the phone before it rings, hang up. - LOOOOOL - When I walk across my living room from my chimney to my window, it takes me ten seconds, but for a bird it takes one second, and for oxygen zero seconds! - Obviously I've taken drugs. - LMAO!!

Date of the fight has been pushed to November 2011 Coming soon:

Very cute!

Both of you are plain cowards, and you clearly have no influence over her as a man or potential husband, she doesn't respect you at all! Nothing would stand in my way if I wanted to marry a sister from ethnocentric communities like; Pakistan, Iran or Russia(lol) and she wanted me back. I don't care how ethnocentric her family is or what their wishes are. I would sweep the girl off her feet in a hot-air balloon to Shangri-la, and my family would become her family, plenty of warmth there to go around. Come on warya, if my family disapproved of a girl from arch-enemy Ethiopia, or shocking a Jewish girl from Brooklyn, and I really loved either one of them; I would turn my back on my family in a heartbeat( and keep in mind this group has since birth been the most important group of people in my life), if I didn't do this; it would be a clear cut sign to me that I don't love the girl as much as to actually make a painful sacrifice, nor have any long-term faith in this potential marriage. Man up.

Bilan, I agree. A baby wakes up atleast four times in the middle of the night. A rotary system where one parent reponds to the first two cries and the other parent to the last two cries would ease the pressure significantly(unless the baby wants that specific milk, then the fathers are out of their element). A baby's internal clock is probably the most punctual human clock on the planet, always waking up at that exact same time around 5 to 6 0'clock in the morning. Since its usually mothers who stay at home to care for the kids, sleeping in the afternoon when the baby sleeps is very much advised. Other duties such as cooking could be relegated to the father, or relatives. MMA, you shouldn't underestimate the dilemma parents face with a newborn, I have relatives who became different individuals in those difficult times and only returned to normal when the whole family came together to help them out, whether its through babysitting, sending the parents on a two-week vacation, being there for them when they need someone to talk to etc. All of this is very important, because negativity and stress from the parents will rub off on the children and this can have devastating consequences for their development. You have to make sure you got everything figured out!

This is really shocking!! Why would it affect a father? The baby was never in his womb to begin with. Does depression in the mother rub off on the dad, like an anchor he is simply dragged along? Postpartum depression hits as many dads as moms Postpartum depression affects just as many new fathers as mothers, with about one in 10 parents affected, a new study says. Both women and their doctors have become more aware in recent years of the risks of postpartum depression, as well as the benefits of early diagnosis and treatment. There has been much less research on the how men cope with the stress of fatherhood, even though the mental health of both parents is critical to the well-being of their children, says study author James Paulson, a child psychologist at Eastern Virginia Medical School in Norfolk. Children of depressed fathers have more emotional and behavioral problems than other kids at age 3 and more psychiatric disorders by age 7, Paulson says. Overall, 14% of American men develop depression, either during their partner's pregnancies or in the first year after delivery, according to the study, published today in The Journal of the American Medical Association . About 8% of fathers in other countries develop the problem, according to the analysis, which included 43 studies of 28,000 people. The problem seems to peak when babies are 3 to 6 months old, a time when 25% of new fathers and 42% of mothers report depression, the study says. "It's quite shocking," says neuropsychiatrist Louann Brizendine , a professor at the University of California-San Francisco and author of The Male Brain, who wasn't involved in the new study. "What doctors need to be alerted to is that they're treating a family unit." Mothers and fathers share many of the same stresses. Research shows that any healthy adult who goes without good sleep for a month is liable to become depressed, says psychotherapist Will Courtenay of Berkeley, Calif., who specializes in men's health. The hormonal changes that follow childbirth can trigger depression in both men and women, Brizendine says. After delivery, estrogen and progesterone levels fall sharply in women, while testosterone levels plummet in men. Both changes are associated with depression, she says. About half of husbands of women with postpartum depression also suffer from the condition, says Courtenay, who wasn't involved in the study. Yet fathers with postpartum depression are less likely than women to get help, partly because men tend to avoid mental health care, Paulson says. Unlike women, who see their obstetricians frequently during pregnancy and again six weeks after delivery, men may go years without seeing a doctor. Fathers are also less likely than mothers to take children to their pediatricians, some of whom now screen new parents for depression, Paulson says. But men face unique pressures, Courtenay says. Although fathers today are more involved in childrearing than ever, they often lack the broad social networks enjoyed by mothers, who are more likely to find consolation by sharing stories and strategies with friends. Men typically turn to their wives for support, Courtenay says. But women who are wrung out by the demands of their babies may have little left to give their husbands. Symptoms of depression in men also may not be obvious, Courtenay says. Instead of crying, men may become irritable or withdraw from others, burying themselves in work. Doctors need to do a better job of reaching out to both parents, Paulson says. Depression in one spouse should be seen as a red flag, alerting doctors that the other parent is at high risk. He recommends that ask how women how their husband are coping. And he encourages both men and women to get help. "You should think about your kids and your family," Paulson says. "They are going to suffer, even if you are willing to tough it out or deny it in yourself." -- Link

Mogadishu, Somalia A Somali street - 1968 The paradisical scene in the above picture is a very important piece of historical heritage, in contrast to our current situation. It was at a time when our people were secure and our country was progressing. Children went to school, adults went to work, and elders enjoyed the Somali sun complimented by a cool breeze from the Indian Ocean. A Somali expat anywhere on the planet, in time of need, had a myriad of embassies to call upon, that would assist that person immediately because the latter was of Somali origins. Today from Libya to Russia there are entire families stranded, with no one to come to their rescue. People in Somalia need to realise their clans in the last 20 years have not provided their children with the same quality education, the same quality of job opportunities, the same quality of healthcare, or the same quality of infrastructural development that they could enjoy if they retired this outdated system and joined the world as a single united people. History clearly shows those that are united stand, while those that do not, fall. Somalis are known to have fought one of the longest anti-colonial wars in history, repulsing several imperial powers, yet in the end failed to press home total victory, because we weren't united as one solid front, unlike the unified Kemalist Turks, who afterwards shaped their own future and destiny. We instead were divided by foreign powers, and many of our current problems can be traced directly back to this historic crime of artificial borders. Our founding fathers took on a very honorable quest to free those put under neighbouring states that their ancestors were never subjects off, and spend vast amounts of resources and manpower to realise this. In the process the weight of the Superpowers standing against us, the wrong policies of the last president and the military generals that turned warlords caused the Somali State to collapse. Toppling the dictator was a "just cause", destroying the state was a blatant crime. All these military generals and their soldiers disintergrated back to their petty clans. A military-complex, once one of the most potent on the continent became a vast sea of militia-men with no sense of honor or shame, nor any love for their country and people. Make no mistake though, they are simply a product of their environment. Clan-sentiments is what caused them to become like that. Remember that in 1969, they did not return back to their petty clans when President Sharmarkay was assassinated, no! They did something that the Egyptian military would do 42 years later in 2011; safeguarding the sovereignty of the state, and preventing a civil-war from breaking out. Missing in Action - 2011 If there was no clan-system for the dictator to manipulate, none of the Somali generals or commanders would have felt the need to safeguard those petty clans instead of their own country. They would have emulated the many heroic Somali fighter Pilots that crashed their planes in the Red Sea or a different country, when they were ordered to bomb their own people. I guess the high altitudes gave these brave Somali pilots a clear view of the world around them, and they realised clan-worship is meaningless, and not worth going to hell for. The bad policies of the dictator aside, and the disloyalty of the generals and commanders aside, we have clear historic evidence that when Somalis come together as one, they are a force to be reckoned with. None of the petty clan-militia's or those of the regional states today are comparable to a united Somali army capable of protecting our borders, our lands, our skies and most importantly our waters from sinister entities. A united country of 7 million people(Somalia 1975) was building more roads and highways than a country of 40 million(Ethiopia). Its literacy rate was one of the highest on the continent, and benefitted every Somali person in East Africa. None of this is being achieved in this "age of division". A united country like China had their own citizens out of Libya in the span of a few days, what exactly have the petty clans and regional states done for the stranded Somalis there? Had Japan regressed to its pathetic clan-structure of the 18th century after WWII, they probably would have been a very poor country today still riddled with Shogun-esque type of wars, and the current earthquake/Tsunami would make the one in Haiti - in terms of aftermath devastation and chaos - look like nothing, but luckily the Japanese are united and wealthy, hence they will overcome this setback. Somalis when they were a unified entity themselves uplifted and protected their fellow citizens from starvation and droughts on multiple occassions and became self-sufficient. We all know what happened(and is happening) when they disintergrated. It is clear from the above examples that the clan-system is our achilles-heel in this modern age. The argument that its a system that allows Somalis to receive support from their fellow clansmen in terms of healthcare, economics and plain safety is horribly outdated. The system hasn't provided the vast majority with any of this! Any Somali person not chained by this petty system would have no problems investing in any of the Somali cities in need of development, that same Somali person would have no problems aiding his fellow Somali regardless of the region they reside in, and that same Somali person would not harm his fellow Somali, simply because he/she has no interest in going to hell for an archaic system, one that doesn't even work. The task to uplift our people and break the shackles of the clan-system mainly lies with our parents, since there is currently no powerful government comparable to the Meiji State to do this in their stead. Its no coincidence between the fact that my parents never taught me any sort of clan-pride as a child, and me today as an adult not having any problems donating money to a Somali region where my petty so-called clan doesn't even reside. Plenty of times I have encountered forums where this petty clan was defiled and degraded by other silly clannists, yet I was never offended by their words. It ment nothing to me! The only entity I feel close to is Somali(a). Besides our parents, an alternative way to mold new open-minded Somalis with a unified mindset, is through entertainment and business. We already have a powerful ally to aid us; the Somali language. Through films, books, comics, songs and other popular mediums we can achieve this. With dozens of growing companies like Dahabshiil and Hormuud investing across the Somali Civilizational Matrix our links will solidify permanently, even as other entities work hard to prevent this. If you want long-term economic prosperity, safety, healthcare and education for your children, and your children's children; the "path of Unity & Somalinimo" is the one we should walk and embrace with both feet! I'll end my Red Bull rant here.

Turtles - the ghost of Splinter scene, I was 5, woke up around 4 o'clock in the morning while everyone(specifically hooyo) was asleep, and watched it by myself, tears came rolling down. Lion King - Mufasa's death, watched it in the cinema with my father, tears came rolling down!!!!!!!!!!! Dragonheart - Death of the Dragon Draco, best dragon ever! Grave of the fireflies - I watched it with a friend, she cried her eyes out, aniga na invoked the classic "I got something in my eye" card. It still bothers me when I watch it today because I place the two characters in Somalia, there are probably hundreds like them over there. Braveheart - freeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm! The James Horner soundtrack is amazing! The Pianist - the scene where his entire family is pushed into the train towards the gas chambers was deep!

5, we are re-inventing ourselves as we speak, the conflict is shaping us into a new people, but not in a good way. Many positive Somali values and customs are breaking down, or are being replaced by new incompatible/self-destructive ones. I will post a more elaborate reply, on what we as a people could do to reverse this, when I have more time.