Spot on Prof. Samatar!

Great topic, you should have posted it in the Camel Milk Debate section where people are allowed their dreams and visions of the future, without the heckling. I will contribute when I have more time.

NGONGE;828354 wrote: Baryahan waxaad ka dhamaan wayday cheap point scoring iyo script-like behaviour, saaxib. War is qabo ban ku idhi. Do you seriously beleive the improvements you're talking about are in any way, shape or form in the same league as Chimara's daydreams? p.s. Chimara, saaxib, dreams are fine. They're great and sometimes are the seed needed to turn a vision into reality. However, you're not a little boy, saaxib. I am just trying to make sure you don't focus on the dreams so much that you forget about the reality. To reach your desired future you'll still have to deal with the present, saaxib. You're taking the picture I posted way out of context, come'on it features flying cars for god sakes, do you really think I'm that delusional for me to think Mogadishu in 2015 will have flying cars? I posted it as a joke though symbolically it means with peace the 'sky is the limit', and Mogadishu in 2015 will look very different from Mogadishu in 2012. That's common sense considering all of the construction and urban renewal projects.

NGONGE;828085 wrote: Seeing is believing, adeer. I don't want you to imagine or, like a clannist boasting about his great grandad, hark to the past, I want you to see it with your own eyes first. After that, and going by the principle that dreams are free, you can apply your own brand of "logic" whichever way you like. That's illogical NGONGE, and tantamount to an American in 1945 telling a random exiled Polish boy in Berlin that he should stop imagining about the beauty of Warsaw because its currently in ruins, and after that tell him that he should go and see it for himself, so he will stop believing in a better future based on the glorious past of previous generations, because only the present in which he lives is relevant, and the world will remain static in that specific space of time, right? Wrong!

You've got to be kidding me right? You think I don't know about the regression in Somali urbanization of the last twenty years when there was next to no government/foreign investment in infrastructure or renewal projects? Fact remains that Mogadishu before the war was the cleanest city in Africa, and one of the most beautiful, and it will reclaim all these titles in the next five years, and that has nothing to do with dreaming, it's logic. I will be part of the rennaissance.

Garnaqsi;828007 wrote: I don't get it? Red-bullist >> Alcoholist? Picture of an AA meeting? What I basically did is; I took a well known issue in western society and twisted it into a comical version of my own, which I then decided to post on the Troll, Shaah, Cakes and Sheeko topic accompanied by pictures. I did this because I wanted people to go ahahaha.

Mogadishu 2015 -- Bülbülü altın kafese koymuşlar, ah vatanım demiş!!!

I lost relatives too Malika, this doesn't give me cart-blanche to vent out at certain clans, or groups, because one or two individuals were responsible. This is one of the reasons why the conflict keeps evolving, its starts with venting and then it mutates into something more sinister. There is another sister who lost her father only a couple of years ago, his name was Abdulkadir Yahya Ali, a prominent peace-activist killed in 2005, and she too was mourning, but she had a much more optimistic attitude, one where she would continue studying and then return home to maintain and expand her father's legacy. There are many men like her father hailing from that 'demonised' generation that have sacrificed their lives for the next generation, it's disrespectful too ignore them because our dictators and warlords belong to that same age-bracket. I'm only going by what Che provided in this topic, so the whole quote could be out of context, but I found it really strange.

She would be in Mogadishu, a cosmopolitan fashion hub, a Capital of festivals, the Monaco of Africa, the Pearl of the Indian Ocean, its port filled with international yatchs and cruise-liners. On the seaside would be majestic Moorish hotels and palaces filled with the elite, the city square roaming with young lovers, the world-class beaches frequented by tourists from all over. The foreign influences would still be there by default of Somalia's success, who would she blame then? I still don't accept this 'generalised blame a whole group' phenomena that has become common in Somali discourse. A extremist group does something, all Wadaads are judged by the actions of that group, one Somali girl does something, all Somali women must be like that. Yes, some men from the old generation failed their people, but my father from that same generation and the fathers of plenty of other Somali men and women didn't, in-fact if they had Somalia and the diaspora would be in an even worser state.

OdaySomali;827777 wrote: ASC everyone, my first post in this thread, and I enter in style :cool: LOL, awesome and welcome.

Hi, my name is Chimera and I'm a Red-bullist:

Che -Guevara;827298 wrote: The most poignant moment of the night was when young girl took the stage and said her father was killed 16 yrs ago and posed the question why should I kill those murdered my father and let the cycle of mindless violence to continue or should we take sensible approach. She directly addressed the Somali men in the auditorium saying hadee nin gaal raacdo, the blame lies with them since they uprooted her from peaceful loving home . The kid eventually broke down but this was the most sincere moment. I'm sorry, what? Its very sad what happened to her father, but how is potentially finding love outside the community relevant to the conflict? She's my generation, both she and I were toddlers or in primary school when the war started, how can she hold me or any Somali guy her age responsible for something they had nothing to do with? That's essentially the reason behind her 'gaalo raac' comment, right? Old Somali men have disappointed her, so she must ignore all young Somali men and look elsewhere, that seems more like an excuse rather than anything sincere. I swear, when I look at my little nephews, I feel sad for them, because if the conflict is not resolved in the next five years, the hatred towards them - not just from other communities but from within - will be even greater, and its completely out of their little hands.

nuune;827280 wrote: There has to be a vision for everything, lets say a vision for every project that would be developed, example as in Vision for Transport that would be achieved by the year 2025, we can say Transport 2025 , the list for this project would include: - Re-establishment of Somali Airlines, going green for low emission planes, that means buying or leasing newly built planes that are ONLY within 5 years old, by doing this, you are saving HUGE amount on fuel consumption, at the end of the project, the planes used by Somalia Airlines would number 150 aircraft. The airline would be a major player in Somalia, flying to every region in the country, and internationally, adding multiple destinations in every year would bring the destinations that the airline flies to every continent around the world. This project when completed can create up to 50,000 thousand jobs - Rail Network System, pretty much easy, is a project that can take about 5-8 years to build, maximum 10 years to connect the whole Somalia, this would be achieved before 2025 Transport Vision, if the project gets started in two years time. This project when completed would create half a million jobs, and 100,000 jobs during the construction period. - A healthcare system, major hospitals and medical clinics in ever city and town, this project would create one million jobs when completed by 2025, it is a huge project. I can list more projects, but just summarizing, the unemployment rate would be as low as 3% by 2025 when we add agriculture projects, construction projects, marine projects, road transport project and other projects, the unemployment figure would be less than 1%, even the West would be jealous of this achievement, amazing that Somalia would seek foreign workers to work in the country, amazing. One thing to everyone, don't lose hope for Somalia, it can and will get better in time, when that time comes, contribute and participate, invest, give advise and share you knowledge. Chimera, please create a thread that we can share our vision for Somalia, where we can list everything, you are good at this. No brother, I learned my lesson from 2006 when I thought my country was finally back on the map, but instead of peace my most vile and horrible nightmares happened in the last 6 years. I'm observing the situation with caution and restrained optimism. Let's get past August, and see how the situation is then.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

*Blessed;827144 wrote: Well said, Chimera. Turkey also has a large construction sector, there's potential for cooperation there. I really appreciate this guy for raising the bar in this dialogue. Definitely, if insha-allah everything goes well, then Somalia in the next two decades will be initiating some of Africa's largest construction projects. If you look at pre-war Somalia there were multiple records held by the country in terms of infrastructure, and I believe we will follow in that path, and go beyond it once the natural resources are mined/drilled and exported. You're looking at tens of billions worth of infrastructure contracts, not just in reconstruction but in ambitious new projects. The Turks have a well-developed construction sector, and they are already busy in Somalia.

Disgusting.

Raamsade;827082 wrote: ^Turkey didn't exist in 16th century. The Turks did, hence he said 'Turkish allies' not Turkey. What can Somalis do for Turkey though? 1 - A 10-12 million people market in Somalia, and indirectly a 20+ million people market that constitutes the Somali Nation. a) As Somali wealth increases, the market will become more lucrative. Its a sizable population that within a generation could be uplifted to a middle-income country, and with the exploitation of natural resources, far beyond that. 2 - As a people. Somalis have a significant foothold in various African markets, and the growing bilingual Somalis that know Turkish could act as intermediaries for Turkish companies and entrepreneurs. 3 - A million+ Somalis in the diaspora potentially flying Turkish Airlines and buying Turkish products. a) Somalis are globe-trekkers, and they go to places where Somali airline companies do not have a license to fly, hence Turkish Airlines would be the right alternative. b) A million+ people with a significant spending power and who are pro-Turkey is always a bonus for any Turkish company or upstart entrepreneur. 4 - Turkey has a large meat-eating population, who are majoritely muslim that want their products Halaal. a) We are the largest exporters of live-animals in the world, and importing directly from a country like Somalia is a natural choice. b) Somali agriculture has many exotic commodities the Turks don't grow, which would enrich their cuisine. 5 - The strategic location of Somalia is something every analyst is very much aware off, and certainly Turkey hasn't failed to notice this. There are many benefits to having a close relationship with a stable Somalia. a) Somali Ports when renovated and expanded will draw in thousands of ships from around the world, many of them could be Turkish flagged or Turkish build, we did have the largest merchant fleet of the OIC in prewar times afterall. b) Somalia sits on the busiest shipping lanes in the world connecting all major economies. The country will exert transit fees as it did in pre-war times which will be worth billions, but a country like Turkey could be given free passage c) A close relationship could be developed between the Somali military and that of Turkey's. It would curb Iran's influence in the region, a regional rival of Turkey. 6 - Natural resources, plenty of that in Somalia and Turkey as a rising economy needs alot of it. a) Oil - Somalia is estimated to have between 19 to 110 billion barrels of oil, this would put it in the Global Top 20, either way. b) Uranium - Turkey is building a nuclear-energy sector, a country like Somalia with one of the largest reserves of Uranium could be a supplier. c) Marine resources - With the longest coastline in Africa, Somalia is rich with marine life, and since Turkey has a well-developed Aquaculture both in catching and selling in restaurants, getting licenses in Somalia, or importing from the country would sustain that culture without harming their own fish-stocks. d) Gold, Precious Stones - Plenty of Turkish jewelries and manufacturers that would be interested in that. 7 - The Somali vote, be it in the UN, or any other world-organisation is always beneficial in case they want push for a policy. No matter the current state of Somalia, a vote is a vote.

BN;826772 wrote: Buuraha golis iyo calmadow waa dhul barwaaqo ah. Beekeeping? I think that is another area of potential industrial production. How old is this tradition, centuries? What's it called in Somali?

^"Mensen van Somalie, het zijn voornamelijk NEGERS" LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kind spirit.

xiinfaniin;826726 wrote: Soul does not mean mind, it is the consciousness , the ultimate energy, which can neither created nor destroyed by human being. The android does not trace what he believes to be a soul back to a human-being, but to God. This is about self-perception, and the blurry line between artificial intelligence, conciousness and the mysterious concept that is the soul. 'Ultimate energy' sounds great, I will use that if you don't mind.

The above 2 posts look messy, which is uncommon so YOU MUST BE TEXTING!!!!! STOP TEXTING!!!

That my friends is the highest case of delicate lubrication in mouth to mouth resuscitation, indeed. To be or not to be, that is the question, for have we not suffered on the battle-field the grievious infliction of choosing roses over gummybears? I dare say, we in our courage ring the bells of a thousand armies, and bring them forth to the grand buffet of canjeelo iyo maraq, indeed.

My homie funky dizzle, straight from LA Cali bizzle, yo yo he ballin when his rims be spinning, a thousand faces be fallin, ,

LOL I live in the archives, today's topics are pretty boring. More dead topics shall live once more: