^Don't you have some revert-spotting to do, ya Curious George? Let the big boys discuss big issues.

That's what the Japanese said after Pearl Harbour, inaar.

Well my optimism is justified, though I do not derive it from political leaders or power-blocks. There is a non-human spirit to Somalia, that some would like to deny or downplay, but it is there. In just one year many of my personal dreams have become a reality on the ground one after another. My motto in the bad times was; "our time will come", now I find myself frequently saying "our time has come". Interesting years ahead, Xiin.

Notice, how important pavement and cobblestones are to the over-all look of a house, neighborhood, institution or city? If only such cobblestone work was replicated all over Garowe or any other Somali city/town, it would not only transform the place but also the mentality of the people vis-a-vi their own city. Feets on concrete and brick! Illyria;938490 wrote:

Alpha Blondy;938529 wrote: let's be civilised inaar. you called my mother a lapdancer and then call me a crybaby? there's a limit to tolerance ee sida uula soco. Boohoo, cry me a river warya. Next time you call someone's father a consumer of alcohol, you better have a stronger chin, and thicker skin 'ee sida ula soco'.

Alpha Blondy;938281 wrote: learn how to take a joke or learn how to tell a joke in a none-offensive way. Who the hell is this little crybaby, and what happened to the real Alpha-Blondy? (You can dish it, but you can't take it, inaar?)

Haatu;938277 wrote: Chimera, come on and be realistic. Those degenerates were stealing any bit of metal to sell off. Imagine if they had come across hundreds of miles of it lying on the ground? I don't think you guys really comprehend the size of a 1000 km rail-network and how much steel is part of that actual system. There is no way, not even in two decades, that they can sell off that much steel on domestic markets, or even overseas, the suggestion that they can export 125000 tons of 6kg/m rail-tracks is hilarious to say the least. Thirdly the process of establishing a track is pain-stakingly difficult, and looting it would prove just as hard. Sure, they would get away with a few dozen kilometers of track in and around the capital, and I'm sure a few trains would suffer the same, but that's really it. We would still have a system in place, with specific routes, with tunnels, with bridges, etc. A system we could reconstruct in a short amount of time, and expand.(I can't believe I'm defending a non-existant rail-network, smh)

DoctorKenney;938302 wrote: Chimera, the part where Somali men established an effective telecommunications system is extremely irrelevant to the point. Which point? The one where you insinuated the only thing Somalis are capable of is "looting" by referencing a few dozen miles of telephone lines that were sold on the black market? My counter-point was extremely relevant, though you're too caught up with the example itself rather than what it conveys. I never denied Somali ingenuity and entrepreneurship. Not once. Nah, you only portrayed them as looters capable of selling off 1000 km of steel. LMAO But this is Somalia....a country where a large percentage of the population is hungry. And people need to eat. How utterly condescending. If that means destroying telephone systems to sell the copper wire, or burning down trees to make charcoal, or destroying railways to sell the steel and aluminum, or raiding the National Armory and selling the weapons on the Black Market, or printing out counterfeit Somali shillings and inflating the currency.... then so be it. (All of this actually happened in Somalia) And all of it by warlords and their lackeys, and pretty much exclusive to the capital and a few areas around it, yet you portray a country of 10/14 million people living in a country three times the size of Britain as looters. I'm not blaming them for doing it. After all, they need to survive. I love your optimism, and I sincerely believe that Somalia has better days ahead of it, but you really need to be more realistic Ah spare me the "be realistic" nonsense, I tolerated this knee-jerk reaction in the past, but not anymore. If you actually have a more coherent argument against the construction of a rail-network pre-1990s that is not based on the actions of a few degenerates, and one that does not generalize millions of people with same brush, i'd like to hear it. Otherwise, no need to continue.

SomaliPhilosopher;938247 wrote: Port has been looted bro. Looters will always go where there is instability and infrastructure. However are the ports not flourishing today? Imagine if we had not constructed and upgraded them pre-1990? We would have nothing today! The Kismayo port is the only one still derelict, but in year's time that one will be flourishing as well, despite the countless looters that violated that port's infrastructure in the last twenty years. Anyways, have you heard of Thomas Sankara Chimera? Who hasn't? The man was probably called a dreamer and a optimist too, until he turned the African development project sustained by the West on its head, and actually made progress. The rail-network he established is still benefiting Burkina Faso, it united the country.

Your comparing a rail-network of 1000 km with tiny statues and telephone lines? There is plenty of steel in a panamax port, there is plenty of construction material to be gained from a road. I'm sorry but I find this whole objection to a rail-network silly. Let's say the entire system was sold on the black-market (LOL), we would still have the specific routes and plans of the network. That means in peace-time we wouldn't have to spend millions on feasibility plans, nor evict people because they are living on the most cost-effective and efficient routes for a train-track.

SomaliPhilosopher;938236 wrote: Lol Chimera, if you only you knew.. I am very optimistic when it comes to Somalia. But when someone makes the point that the telephones lines were stolen as a counter to your retrospective proposition that railroads should have been built and you argue back with Somalia has the "most connected and affordable telecommunication systems" is just plain......... no words Then shame on you for not addressing DoctorKenney and his telephone lines analogy in reference to a rail-network. I only countered his logical fallacy. The fact that you believe my telecommunication comment was to justify a rail-network only reveals that you only read my comment and not the one I was replying to. Instead I used the prewar established heavy infrastructural networks and landmarks such as the road-network and panamax ports to justify the existence of a rail-network, which is appropriate. The Somali telecommunication network is a serious achievement by any measurement or standards, considering the state of telecommunications in East Africa. It's a perfect counter to anyone that wants to argue against the fact that Somalis can be a very organised and entrepreneurial people.

SomaliPhilosopher;938231 wrote: ^ Blissfully naive my son. Optimism is great, but do not let that distort your world view or be irrational. I ain't your son, and there is nothing irrational about my view that Somalis are capable of operating a rail-network. This is not a space programme, get off your cloud of doom. Like come on this is the biggest straw man fallacy I have seen. The man referenced the destruction of an infrastructural network, I referenced the reconstruction of an even better network by the same people. No fallacy to be found here. Be honest with yourself, you just wanted to use the "strawman fallacy" card once on SOL, despite not really knowing what it means, and when to actually use it. Again, distorted logic Ah, what the hell can I do with loud statements? Either explain your counter points, or just stay clear from debates.

DoctorKenney;938146 wrote: Lol you do realize this is Somalia right? Somalia, the land where men actually took down telephone lines so they can steal the copper wires and sell the copper on the market. The land where men took down telephone lines and in turn established one of Africa's most connected and affordable telecommunication systems, that Somalia? If the railroad was constructed before 1990, it would be completely destroyed by today Rubbish, it wouldn't be any different from the road-network or the panamax ports, in a bad shape yes, but still functioning. The days of self-deprecation and underestimation of the Somali Nation is over sxb, this is 2013, get on board we have a future to build.

Alpha Blondy;938130 wrote: yet another pathetic attempt to present a rose-tinted view of a country in the autumn of a 'golden era'. Adamsoow, these are figments of a by-gone glorious era, ma istidhi?. This is just the start Alpha, more such documentaries and films coming your way. how i sometimes wish we were all afforded such lofty leisures in the xamar-caddey of the 1980s. inaar, you ought to be more sensitive to those who endured curfews after 6pm as your daddy drank moet in curubo. Well you're too young to remember that your mother had no such curfew when she performed lapdances in the basements of Croce del Sud and Al-Uruba to 'kickstart" a fund for your daddy's jaad addiction.

Ah spare me, as if you were planning to give a dime to those IDPs in the first place. No need to fabricate excuses for not wanting to support a creative project by a fellow Somali, just say you don't want to, simple as that. 14k is pocket change for a proper documentary, she needs security, equipment, accomodation for the crew, transport, etc. Watch the video, before you judge. Actually, forget all about it.

AUN to the dead. galbeedi;938069 wrote: This was a well planned attack, they also bombed around the airport. I agree the British government last week did release a warning for an imminent attack in Mogadhishu from Al-shabaab. the government must enhance it`s intelligence capabilities. the big military offensives to defeat al-shabaab are almost over. know most of resources must be targeted on intelligence gathering and infiltration of these deadly menace. A big sweep must be done in Benadir. you may arrest some Innocent people on the process but it is worth trying. every young man who have any connection with these groups must be detained. you need to build big holding jails to keep large number of suspected Al-shabaab. Also substantiated intelligence coordination with foreign intelligence like the British is necessary. another important step is to implement unscheduled inspection of all homes in the city in the middle of the night. This wide net could bring some important info. Interrogations of known Al-shabaab members must also bring some badly needed intelligence. The government must act now. . Well said.

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I call girls like her 'Catwoman'; during the day she is all innocent with the glasses and during the night, miaoow. I lost my wallet during springbreak kulaha. Yea...right.

Safferz;937983 wrote:

No different from prewar Somalis that were building the most deepsea ports, airports with the longest runways, a well connected road-network, etc. Our people only need peace and proper leadership to prosper.

Ensiferum on a German autobahn is exilerating!

Reeyo, its part of life sometimes we give up blue to get a chance at purple, or green or bubblegum popcorn, its why we fall in love because we want to see rainbow clouds and therefore we endure the mocking rain until the sun shines bright what the hell are you still reading my nonsense?

When you said Silver Linings, I genuinely started laughing, that's a one-more time watch type of movie. A grown up Perks of being A Wallflower..