I have another question let's say a Somali couple married but something goes wrong and they after 5 years together divorce, what should a husband give according to Somali culture or Islam? half of everything they own and continued child support right? I discussed this with some ajnabi friends and they said the first thing they are going to do is slapp a prenupt on their soon-to-be-wives lolol they have no mercy i swear

my Father told me this song was popular in Somalia in the late 70s(catchy song) i bet this song was the anthem of many Somali families in the 90s lol

MMA-Dhabshid thanks! General Dhuuhdi - 14 march 2007 - Allahu naxariisto (first row left)

ra ta ta ta i didn't ask for your bank account details brother NGONGE and sisters lily just interested in stories like those of sister Neph

Marcass your weird sxb and i'm the type of person who usually keeps his personal opinions of other people to himself. I bet if checked the term 'fadhi ku dirir' in the Somali dictionary i would spot them shiny glasses rofl!!

Dahia Siyaad Barre in his early years allowed the Somali navy to assist South African freedom fighters. With all kinds of media branches stationed in Mogadishu this gave the anti-apartheid groups much needed media-exposure and consequently funding aswell, during his later years however this completely changed and the Dictator made military deals with the supremacists and Israelis. Allowing them to use Somali air bases for their airforce and South African civilian planes could check and re-fuel at Somali airports

Originally posted by -*Xidigo*-: ^ Is that Beautiful Saylac? No sister that is Marka Cadey but this: 'was' Saylac we need to restore it to it's former glory

you mean foreign mercenaries bombed Somali cities, it's legacy was immortalized by the defiant stand the airforce took when they were asked to do something morally wrong and refused. btw i spotted this: 09/09/76, waa maalin xasuus gaara u ah taariikhda gabdhaha Soomaaliyeed. Waa maalintii ugu horreysay ee curaddii iyo geesiyaddii gabdhaha Soomaaliyeed ay kaligeed (solo) ku duusho diyaarad Cessna 150 ah. :confused: 9 sep 1976 was the day a Somali girl(s) passed the aviation exam of Somalia right? so in my opening post i was correct Somali women did enlist

expand your post a bit brother,what happened?

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ Two whole rounds?, I doubt he will last 30 seconds.. that's about 29 seconds more, compared to you... rofl!!

To the newly weds(and veterans) what's life like when your married? and how did you propose?(or in SOL ladies cases were proposed to?) tell me

This also happens to me when i use 'page translator' on non-English language websites, sometimes it's a real mess but looooool@ the bullet they opened

As-Salaamu-Alaikum The Somali Air Force The Somali military establishment(once the largest in Africa, now defunct with our fallen soldiers rolling in their graves, may they rest in peace) since 1963 was recruiting women into the army. My question to SOL members is; did it have a similar policy for the airforce? both Algeria and Somalia at that time were being hailed as examples of progressive Muslim nations by giving equal opportunities to women, so i don't see why women wouldn't have applied. If anyone who was living in Somalia before the civil war has any info, it is most definitely welcome.(i would like to make a list of Somali women of the past and chronicle their lives I.A) There was a story about a sister on the BBC who was a veteran of the now defunct institution but i have no idea how i could get in contact with her The airforce and it's members should be hailed as national heroes and good examples of true 'honorable Somali men and women'. Since the birth of military aviation there has never been a case in the world(let alone Africa) where a whole airforce defected but that is exactly what happened in Somalia. These Somalis refused to bomb their own blood and kin. First it was Colonel Ahmed Mohammed Hassan who dropped his bombs in the red sea and said: The original mission of the Somali National Army was to protect the nation from external aggression. I was trained to fight against an enemy force not my own people; my decision was firm to risk dying rather than bombarding civilians and their property-Colonel Ahmed Mohammed Hassan Then it was General Noor Dhuudhi(Head of the airforce) who took all of the Somali fighter planes and their pilots and left for Rome. This was such a heavy setback for the Dictator who knew fully well that he could not put down the uprisings without air support therefore he started making deals with Apartheid-dictators who supplied Rhodesian pilots and fighterplanes while Margeret Tatcher's government provided former RAF pilots to assist the Dictator While one could say the defection of the airforce resulted in the import of more lethal killers these Somali men and women displayed something that transcends all of that myopic crap that you see today: Somalis first!! No matter what our disagreements or political views are brothers and sisters in the end our mentality should be: Somalis first! and we should teach this to the next generation revisionist historians are now trying to re-write history regarding the O-gaden war and the performance of the airforce, with lies like the EAF(in reality cuban/israeli/soviet pilots) destroyed the Somali airforce, this is bollocks. When the Soviet Union switched on us they secretly stole/sabotaged all of our radars and bombed the Somali fighter planes while they were still in their hangars 'Pearl harbour' style. This resulted in the destruction of 1/2 of the airforce(Somali pilots who destroyed the same number of Cuban/Soviet manned planes at least had their kills in the air) some pics: Source of Images(btw could someone give a quik summary of this article in English? too many Somali words give me a headache because i sometimes think i will eventually understand a word if i stutter it a few times and keep looking at it till my eyes pop out kkkk)

106,678 crimes a year are committed in the UK The Somali contribution is due to 'fraud or forgery reasons' not violent crimes The few triggerhappy Somali men are the result of provocations by Afro-carribean & Asian gangs seeking to dominate them. I myself have had to walk my younger brother to school multiple times and threaten lowlife gangs bullying Somali kids. I've seen these same gangs jumping Somali guys who were minding there own business which then resulted in large fights Corroboration A group of Somali boys were sitting outside a cafe on Stratford Road in Birmingham talking about their experience of school. Modqtar, now 17, was beaten up twice a day and picked on for having poor English. The perpetrators were often Asian gangs. Five years after his family fled Somalia, the teenager was petrified about travelling around his adopted homeland. 'I have to get two buses here, and two buses back. That is four chances of getting beaten up every day. They shout at us to go back to where we came from. But they are not from here either.' His friend Mustafa nodded sagely, adding: 'We get attacked by everyone in school - Asian gangs, white gangs, black Jamaicans. Everyone wants to fight us.-Source When Somalis started showing their teeth these groups began keeping there distance and all of that anger build up by a few lost brothers is now being projected towards our community. But this does not equal 'whole community is lost'. Somali student achievement in certain parts of the country has risen ~50-60 % that's higher than any other group The outlook for young Somalis is brightening. Lack of English among newly arrived refugees has prevented progress at school: a 1999 study of students in Camden, north London, found that just 3% got five good GCSE qualifications, compared with 48% of all students (and 21% of refugee children). But as the number of asylum seekers has plummeted, achievement has soared: in 2005 24% of Somalis in Camden got their five good passes.-Source In 1998, no Somali students attained five or more GCSEs at grade C or above. In 2004, more than half were doing so. This turnaround has gone unreported amid the column inches devoted to immigration. -Source I applaud those brothers who are doing those evening routines and trying to inspire the few lost ones(the brothers in Finland are doing the same and i hope these patrols spread throughout the diaspora). Somali community leaders in the UK need to take the example of the leaders in the North American Somali communities and engage themselves in the political arena so that they can be a voice for our people or else non Somali immigrant groups will use this platform to scapegoat us. example: Piara Khabra says his constituents are fed up Mr Khabra said: "There's a perception in the community that crime is being committed by the Somalis, those who came to settle in Southall particularly, I have been told, the youngsters." Refutation of these lies & prejudged claims by the Police Ealing Police said it was not appropriate to comment on one person's views, but officers do not believe Somali youths are to blame for the majority of street robberies Other Police departments corroborate and agree is hard to sort fact from fiction, as crime figures are broken down only by broad racial categories. Somalis have made the news for a few ruthless crimes, including the murder of Sharon Beshenivsky, a rookie police officer, in 2005. But police say these villains are unrepresentative. Paul Hurst, a police constable who has patrolled Toxteth's Somali neighbourhood for 21 years (and visited Somalia on a police bursary), reckons a hard core of about 30 Somali youths are active in car crime and low-level drug-dealing in the city. Nonetheless, crime in Somali “Tocky”, as Toxteth is known, is lower than in neighbouring Picton and Wavertree, and light-touch policing has kept the peace. A repeat of the bloody Toxteth riots of 1981, when local Afro-Caribbeans clashed with police, is unthinkable, everyone agrees. -Source Mr Khabra is the classic example of a spokes person representing a particular community who's interests are being threatened by a new group(Somali entrepreneurs have set up shop and are flourishing in places that were once considered their domain) Somali men are not filling up the prisons of Britain as one member erroneously claimed, of every 1000 Somali men 1 is a violent criminal hence the Police in multiple parts of the country calls them 'insignificant' Fraud and forgery the reason behind the high number of reported crimes done by Somalis cannot be blamed entirely on Somali men we all know fraud is Universal in the Somali community, the suspect could be a Hoyoo an Eedo an Adeer a Habiyar etc etc I'm dissappointed with this documentary to be honest, though there have been cases of Somalis murdering other Somalis there is a higher number of Somalis being killed by non Somalis, he completely left this out of his report - nothing on the young brother Kayser Osman nothing on the 16 year old Abdul Kadir Maye? why was there nothing on the 12 year old Abdirizak Hamza? he was my brothers age does he not deserve the same attention? what about the 14 year old Mohammed Ahmed Hussain?,what about Abukah Mahmoud? do not piss me off and tell me these compatriots were 'lost boys' they had a whole future ahead of them and now there friends are being pushed into a corner by non Somalis where they have to adapt to a lifestyle that ultimately will lead to failure, my siblings would have taken this path had i not spotted this pattern at a early stage and intervened You can dismiss everything i have typed down and continue the ''Somalis are this Somalis are that'' routine without analyzing the problems Somali youth face(and why they according to Police and other institutions are the most victimized group in the UK and need to be protected) but this will not change the situation on the ground, the only thing you will have succeeded in is showcasing what kind of hardheaded... no i'm gonna stop here before i say something foolish and log off i swear to god these comments have angered me.

As a kid in duqsi seeing my friends getting beat up was magic haha, afterwards we would show off who was beaten the most as if we were about receive medals for it i remember a rebellion where we all started running through the mosque like madmen oh the embarrassment it must have been for our teachers we ran to the women section on the second floor where our sisters and mothers were lol our teachers left us there since there were only 15 minutes left Saterday mornings were funny in those days

Suldaan take your time!

1 million displaced civilians, tens of thousands murdered, enemy troops in our Capital, complete silence on the human smuggling in the Northeast, complete silence on the Brutal incidents in South Africa(this weekend alone two brothers were killed and their shops plundered) No eid, no enrollment in schools, markets bombed, former warlords still in power This is not a government and Yey the Vampire is not a President. In 20 years time he will be judged for the traitor he really is. He will be used in academic books as a comparison between 16th century African chiefs selling out their own people and 21st century African dictators a modern day 'collaborator' and the sinisterly myopic individuals who today proudly support this vampire because he's from our region will hide in shame and deny they ever called this man a 'leader' what kind of a sick era is this? that a person is scrutinized for wanting an A class war criminal to be held accountable for the disgusting actions he has committed. This vampire should be re-directed immediately from London to the International court in The Hague

Brother do you know what really pisses me off? when Somalis hold grudges against each other for the actions of death men but somehow can kiss and make up with foreigners Did you forget it was the US who was arming the Siad Barre administration? 70 million US dollars a year in military aid was send by Reagan's administration yet Guled Ismail doesn't seem to hold a grudge against the American people on how their death leaders once contributed to the death and destruction(and still do) inflicted by the Barre administration on our people in multiple regions of Somalia, no his real enemies are his own kin. The same people who's airforce completely deserted and left for other countries as a sign of protest against the inhumane actions of this administration in the North forcing the Dictatorship to hire foreign pilots Why use past acts as a casus belli to secede or hold grudges when at the same time your trying to seek warm relations with people who bombed our schools enriched our dicator and his torturers with military hardware and funds? is it because those men behind it are no longer in power? but wouldn't this be a contradition in it's purest form when you have a former collaborator of the Barre administration as a leader? Mogadishu pre-civil war was a hub for Somali entrepreneurs from all over the Horn of Africa, most of the development was due to them because they considered it their 'home' so it's only logical for this part of Somalia to be more developed than others. Most of these so-called 1st class citizens AKA 'Southerners' were Somalis who originated from all over East Africa. My home region Puntland wasn't even on the map in that era i can't even point out one significant city in that area during the Barre adminstration yet i do know that Berbera and Hargeisa were important cities in pre-civil war Somalia. When people's properties are returned this alone will showcase the large influence and wealth non Southerners once had in peace time Mogadishu Our second President Abdi Shamarke then serving under President Aden Abdulle Osman's adminstration formed a government consisting of a coalition between SYL(a party that did not even state their origins as a sign of unity), the Somali National League and the United Somali Party(latter two originate from the North) Another politician that rose to prominance was Prime Minster Mohammed Ibrahim Egal who first became the president of SYL and then Prime Minster. He practically ruled the country and it's foreign policy during his term. The most important thing to the Northern Somali politicians during the first two administrations and the third was incorporating the Haud region into Somalia and the general opinion in that era was that the country's presidency would eventually rotate from the South to other regions of Somalia especially with the beforementioned ascendency of P.M Ibrahim Egal, the materialization of this theory was however denied by the Military government in a bloodless coup ironically through the brilliance of a Northerner named Captain Khaawe But make no mistake Britian did nothing for Northern Somalia, everything you see from pictures of the 60s/70s/80s is due to Somalis themselves just like it is today, so it ridicilous to even suggest Britian was somehow benificial to Northern Somalia when it neglected this part of Somalia for 4 decades in such a way the three Somali administrations wouldn't even qualify to hold a candle against it The 1961 coup by junior officers from the North was never intended to be a coup to break the union that is just modern propaganda, these junior officers were admirers of the great general Dauud and proclaimed him Head of state to get rid of tribalism: quote:The actual motive or motives of this aborted coup may never be made public, and the only clear statement about it that can be made is to repeat what each side side asserted. The lieutenants claimed that they were acting against ''tribalism'' and corruption and that their intention as Somali patriots was to seize the reigns of government in the entire country quote:The Junior officers announced that they had made General dauud [commander in chief of the army], as head of state -John William Heelloy: Modern Poetry and Songs of the Somali pg 128 Those claims of breaking up the Union were rumours and there is no evidence to support this theory, fact is Somali patriots from the North put down this coup initiated by teenagers my age and eventually let them free without any punishment So no brother all that you have written down is not a reason for secession just like in 5 years time our people in the South cannot use the actions of Yey the Vampire as a casus belli to secede Thank you!

Will you see me at a race like that one day?..Hell No!!

http://mzpuntland.imeem.com/music/ly5EUBGC/mahammoud_abdi_omar_jaango_jecliyaay/ out of my stereo, doing my little dance with it one step back - one to the left - one to the right - and now to the front and back from the start...

Somalia is an interesting country, it has Morrocan type of Sand dunes in Shalambood, it has classic Jungles and forrests in the Ras Kamboni area, it has paradise beaches all over it's coastline, it has beautiful Mountains in the North, it has Mojave deserts in the North east, it has agricultural lands in the South/Central parts of the country...why did we even leave in the first place?..(don't answer) The Dutch through their extensive railroad network cleverly exhibit the beautiful landscapes of Holland to the public and as a kid sitting in the train i was mesmerized with it, making a 2/4hr journey seem like nothing this completly changes a persons mentality and he/she will start to value and appreciate their own country much more SGPT - Somali Green Peace Troops where they at?

-Female 'only' Presidential Election

-Female 'only' Presidential Election

As a kid i used to have this inner feeling i would die before the age of 20 but i don't anymore..cause i'm 21 muahaha but seriously if i could choose a death scenerio - it would be dying in the company of family,friends,wife(wives? lol) or children about the loneliness factor..even when am i alone it's still crowded up in here nawmean nawmean

He fails to differentiate between the average Anglo-sphere white person of today and those of the past, Jews have a right to hate the 'Nazis and Hitler' but 'all Germans' they do not!. He is right though when he says Black americans are one of the most patriotic groups in the US and their contribution to American society is significant but still holding a chip on your shoulder against every white person is simply severe case of paranoia making her cry like that wasn't cool