Dat is Sado Ali

^Which one

^Carefull now, i never said that. Red Sea, point taken!

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: we all know how those lands were given to Kenya and Ethiopia and how Djibouti went its way to be the first one breaking that Somali Unity theory .... Revisionism! Majority of Djibouti Somalis were excluded from the referendum and the remaining voted no!(they wanted to join Somalia) Pan-Somalist leaders such as Mahmoud Harbi were assassinated, if you want coroborating evidence for this clever scheme i can give it to you. But i'm surprised you said we draw our borders .. Markee baad waalan tahay haddaba ?? If not for the Superpower Juggernauts saving our neighbours we would have been the only African nation to draw it's own borders, i think that's what the brother ment.

summary dear brothers?

I think the cub is going to grow up like his father(or whatever that giant buffalo was to the cub)who threw that lion through the sky like a barbie doll I was suprised at the stealth/sneak attack of the croc though

Spontaneous human combustion x 100?

Originally posted by Haneefah: @ am I the president. Seriously, bro? Wow. shooffff...do you know what that sound flying past your head was? My Point! You said we should focus on our own problems(as if members of this forum are not going in circles discussing it as we speak) because somehow it would change the situation on the ground. I asked you a rhetorical question: wether i was the person with the power to change? there was nothing serious about the question in itself but you should have processed it's simple meaning: people could go in circles all day long discussing the problems of their homeland and their wouldn't be the slightest change on the ground, clearly the situation is out of their hands ^All of this however is not a reason to dismiss those same individuals arguments based on their heritage or problems, as you so clearly did here in this quote: There isn't much room for a Somali to critique, is there? - when i never said i was representing Somalis in the first place but came as an individual person giving his two cents on the Arab situation! So now I might be suffering from inferority complex because of my simple assertion that we as Somalis have our own mess to think about? No! I theorized that you might be suffering from an inferiority complex because you feel you cannot or are not 'allowed' to enter a discussion completely unrelated to Somalia and Somalis because of the current situation there. I gather your insinuation about my personality is perfectly accepted in the world of 'debates and discussion', eh? A theory not a ad hominem! Given the context, I assumed it would be rather obvious that my reference to Somalis was directed at their state of affairs rather than their ethnicity . Obviously I was mistaken. allready explained above. In Any case, I don't see the benefit of this triviality. Forums are hubs for triviality, since when did they benefit anyone other than wasting some spare time? Don't let me stop you should you wish to continue gracing us with your 'constructive' criticism for the Arab nations ( lame ducks ka sii wad ). I don't know if english is your first language sis but when i say lame ducks ma ka wada bolobolo oo curiyaan heesta but a figure of speech: Iraq is in flames, Gaza is on fire and all of this is happening right in front of them and there is not a single peep from the Arab governments hence why i call them 'lame ducks' To the topic question itself, i think it is pointless to discuss it because first we are being generalized and second i doubt the view of Somalis is so different from Indonesians, Pakistanis and other muslim groups that it warrants a whole seperate debate on it. Majority have a favorable opinion yet somehow the hateful minority get's all the press. If you look at my first post it was actually a reply to brother BOB, i personally wanted to ignore the entire topic from it's birth! take care sister!

Originally posted by Haneefah: It's common sense, really. Given the desperate state of our own nation, our focus should be on how to ameliorate the problems facing us first, then perhaps we might have the audacity to comment on the shortcomings of other nations. What am i? the president of Somalia? are you the President of Somalia?. If i gave you a 10 page solution to the Somali problem would you implement it? It's not common sense it's a non sequitur i never used my criticism as tool to degrade them or anywhere in my posts claimed Somalia was doing better, it was simply constructive advice and if you would dismiss that advice purely because of our background then dear sister it is you who is suffering from an inferiority complex cause in the world of 'debate and discussion' people dissect and focus on a person's arguments not their origins Besides, if I am not mistaken, this topic was actually about Somalis harbouring hatred towards Arabs and not about Gaza or politics in the ME I really don't care...kinda tired with this stuff.

Battle at Kruger summary: Lions attack a pack of Buffalos and capture a cub. They pull the cub away from the pack and drag it to the edge of the river. Suddenly Crocodiles jump into the scene and almost grab one of the lions. The lions quikly back up, one of the crocs then manages to take a hold of the cub. The Lions and the crocodiles begin a epic struggle to claim the 'still alive' baby buffalo - the lions win. The pack of adult Buffalos then return to the scene like a Red army and begin to attack the lions, throwing them in the air, chasing them etc. The cub is saved and finally back with it's mother and family.- Buffalo Victory Classic footage!

Originally posted by Qalbi-Adeyg: allow me to play the devil's advocate here. But what have arabs ever done for somali's? what do we owe them, why should we be loya to arabs? We owe them nothing, they owe us nothing! we are just brothers and sisters in Islam just like we are with the Afghans with the Indonesians with the Pakistanis etc.. Correct me If I'm wrong but wasn't arabs(yemen) that sided with ethiopia and gave military assistance to ethiopia during the 77 war? The communist part of Yemen yes but the other part backed us hence why we allowed so many Yemeni refugees to live in Somalia during the Yemeni civil war. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran were great supporters of our country during the 77 war when they delivered desperately needed spare parts and ammunition but it could not match the Soviet intervention.

Originally posted by Haneefah: quote: Originally posted by Adam-Zayla: waste of potential somaha? Waste of potential or not, there really isn't much room for a Somali to critique, is there? As always, ours is a case of seeing takarta maroodiga kale saaran. Talk about lost potential. There's always room, i don't see how one could exclude me from giving my two cents on the Arab situation based on my ethnic origin, pure logical fallacy: my ancestral house is on fire therefore i'm automatically excluded from commenting on the events happening in neighbouring regions and should therefore be mute, is that what your implying? If so than what's the point of this whole topic being posted on Somaliaonline.com? And talk about 'lost potential'? A stable Somalia won't have the capability of bringing peace to Gaza but a united no nonsense Arab world will! The Americans and Soviets with lesser resources than the current Arabs build themselves up to Superpower status, a power the Americans today are using on multiple muslim countries with devastating effects. There are more than 100 military bases located in the Arab world contrast this with Iran where there is not a single American Base.

^Triangles not Squares

He should contact John Locke, he was tricked aswell.

Bingo!! waste of potential somaha?

^Your not processing my point, i think your in the present while i'm talking about the future( i personally do not see the I.C recognizing Somaliland in the future when they didn't do it in the past while the exact opposite happened with Eritrea). If you want a stable Somaliland to remain then calling an important survey such as the one i'm referring to 'foolish' is very myopic, considering i said in my original post that when those tests are done we would be in a era where a strong alternative has risen for potential unionists in Northern Somalia with the establishment of a viable all-inclusive Somali government. If in these circumstances no commotion(preferable of the peacefull kind) has happened only then will i stand corrected but as of now with no real alternative for us to speak off(i really would like to have seen the effects of the former ICU on Northern Somalia, the burning of newspapers in Burco criticizing the ICU looked promising) with the land infested with warlords and crooks it's no wonder that those who are against secession rather stay put since the status quo remains no international recognition therefore no real loss.

Originally posted by *BOB: quote: Originally posted by Adam-Zayla: What's point of having all that horsepower if your not going to use it BoB? You say jealousy i say waste of 'great potential' I liked the way you compared us to Ferrari and Aston Martin but my brother the sad thing is we could've even had as more horsepower as Bugatti Veyron but only if we were smart enough to realize it... My analogy was never a comparison involving Somalia but one comparing the Arab world and the West, basically showcasing the waste of amazing potential in the Arab world. The Ferrari is a reference to their oil-wealth and population numbers. Instead of unleashing the Ferrari's true potential they remain lame ducks while the West is using it's Astin Martin with all it's glory

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Said it before and I say it again. If someone opposes something so much they usually rise up and change it. Well Somaliland is not a recognized entity so the unrest you are wishing for that relatively peacefull region could still become a reality if it indeed was recognized. I can't believe your making a comparison with Somaligalbeed where a non Somali-ethnic group is abusing the local population on a daily basis, is this happening in places such as Awdal? alhamdulilah no! but does this rule out the possibility of a non-biased survey revealing something very different from what your pushing here?. big fat NO

What do you call a person that owns a Ferrari but doesn't use it? a collector. what do you call a person who owns an Astin Martin and wins prizes? a championship driver! What's point of having all that horsepower if your not going to use it BoB? You say jealousy i say waste of 'great potential' B_G al Falastini at least edit your title and insert the word 'some'. Majority of Somalis don't feel that way.

Originally posted by The Useful Demagogue: Awdalites were not part of the SNM. Big lie. It is not by happenstance that the only man who joined (and maybe few others) was named Abdirahman TOL-WAA. Awdalities are not pro-session. Where are SOL Awdal contingent. Even Riyaale is acting a movie. By the way, I am only speculating when I say that even the 'I' clan wants secssion. Without a fair process where believers in the alternative arrangements such as Jama M. Qaalib and many others are not allowed to freely campaign for union, and in an atmosphere of hysteria and to'laayey ma nimakii shalay baan ku laabana (oo haweenka lagaga oohinayo), thiniking even that clan is for secsion is a difficult proposition. I find the highlighted part very interesting. If the South were to stabilize and a viable all-inclusive government started to function do you think Somaliland would oppose or allow such surveys taking place that could determine wether the claim of ''all people in the region of Somaliland being anti-union'' was true or not?. Refusing such tests would be very devastating to Somaliland's credibility as a so-called 'democracy' and bid for recognition in the eyes of the International community. These surveys would enable us to get a glimpse of the region in a non-biased way(no offense) and see wether Xidigo & 'me' really are a minority there(they are dismissed as such on SOL).

^I always find the 'remote control' when i stop looking..

Father of Israel David Ben Gurion - Israel's first Head of State If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” -- Ben-Gurion had a realistic view of the strong attachment of Palestinian Arabs to the land. In 1938 he said: 'In our political argument abroad we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. [...] A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily.'According to Flapan, Ben-Gurion's assessment of Arab feelings led him to emphasize the need to build up Jewish military strength: 'I believe in our power, in our power which will grow, and if it will grow agreement will come..-Wikipedia

A&T - I agree old age does make the once 'clear thinking' thinker see the world in a more blurred version of the one seen by the new generation, but that won't prevent the young generation of 'clear thinking' thinkers such as us from engaging our elders with proper prespectives of the current world, that is of course untill we say ''it's okay Awoowe you were right in the entire debate and that should be the end of it''. Laters!

^what? why do you want to know my age?(is this Q even for me?) I'm 22.