Originally posted by chubacka: jst write it as your signiture, that will save you a lot of time an bother and it might let the issue actually be discussed . And what have we been doing all this time? Pressing someone for concrete evidence IS 'discussing' the issue! but he did not deliver, simple as that! As they say there's no smoke without fire Ad populum logic! so most of the so called "BS" is based on something which mite or mite not warrant a discussion. It seems you aswell don't even know what his theory is based upon. Something what? This is getting silly!

Alright then, i will from now on stop telling a person to back his statements with actual information that could start a serious and lively discussion. I will no longer challenge BS when i see it, for fear of being accused of trying to 'preserve a elusive reputation' Viva Ad Populum!

Originally posted by Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg: ^ What exactly will it take for you to be convinced? The Somali equivalance of this: Somali's are the same other black communities when it comes to single mothers. First of all there is no need to generalize millions of people just because they share the same skin color(socially and culturally Nigerians are very different from Jamaicans and Malawis are very different from African Americans etc), secondly 'single parenthood' is not exclusive to Blacks, matter fact a population the size of Somalia are currently single parents in the US and i doubt they are all Blacks. In Australia 13% of households are headed by single parents who are predominantly white. There is a book called ''Do Men Mother?'' which you can read in 'googlebooks' that features an entire section on Single Somali Fathers in Canada and this scholar unlike Kathleen actually interviewed,surveyed our community before publishing the book, so as others have said before 'Somali Single Parenthood' should not be limited to women only. One doesn't need hard evidence or statistics when plain observation is enough. That's illogical! The climate in one country doesn't necessarily have to be the same as the climate of a neighbouring country, plain observations won't get you far!. Socially and financially Minnesotan Somali Americans are better off than Somali Norwegians, yet they are both Somali communities with the same traditions and cultural fabrics. We could disintergate this point of mine even further; How can you prove that the Somali households in your city don't differ from the Somali households from another city?(same country) I'm asking you this because in your original statement you generalized the entire diaspora - consisting of a dozen communities spread out over multiple countries - when you put 'Somali community'(Diaspora) as opposed to 'Somali c. UK - Somali c. US - Somali c. Canada etc

Sir Q.A as i said before you have given me nothing to work with!(On what info do you base this 'rise'? - like L.O.Z said you need to have a clear starting point to come to that conclusion.) NGONGE i've seen several studies where they actually put as a reference 'Camel milk threads SOL'. Kathleen like Sir Q.A doesn't tell us how she came to that conclusion either and seeing as her book came out a year after the 'Single mothers phenomena' topic of SOL, i put two and two together. SOL is the most respected Somali forum on the internet, multiple News outlets,journalists and scholars lurk on this website, it's no secret!

Sir Q.A, first of all 'Phenomena' and 'epidemic' are terms that are used loosely around here(see Marx topics for example) hence their inclusion in my point. Secondly there is no 'rise' because the first communities of the diaspora allready consisted of a large section of Single parents(in this case predominantly women) because usually(unfortunatel y) the father died during the civil war, it's nothing comparable to 'other black communities' Frankly it's my word against yours, I see every day Somali fathers holding the hands of their sons & daughters and walking them to school, during Eid i see hundreds of Somali families with both a mother and a father should i now erect a topic and proclaim all is honky dory in the Somali community? of course not! There are issue's in the Somali community but nowhere near the scale of the communities you want to compare us to. ps sxb be less angry in your reply's, my points are not ad hominems.

''Phenomena'' ''On the rise'' ''epidemic'' Are not the same as ''i saw one or two in my neighbourhood''(plea se don't lie and tell me you saw hundreds because that's b.s) I'm a studies/statistics man and you have given me nothing to work with other than ''hearsay''. A google search with the words 'Single Somali mothers'' and i'm re-directed to other ''Hearsay'' topics on SOL. These rubbish topics probably were taken as actual evidence in the following book: Somali Single Parent headed households, including male headed ones, are becoming more common, particulary in the Diaspora - International Perspectives on Family Violence and Abuse: A Cognitive Ecological Approach by Kathleen Malley-Morrison pg 231 Why do Somalis enjoy generalizing and blowing things out of proportion? and never with actual facts to back these statements. No offense to you Sir Q.A but this is beginning to tire me.

This rubbish PC resembles the Kuwaiti military, i have been hit by all types of bugs, my pc is like the cyberworld's beirut, so yeah sure conficker worm!(on 1 april 200 I.E pages popped up so i guess it's in my system now.) whatever man conficker all you want..

Your Welcome, sis! and Good luck!

hahaha Cadaan that's one cool looking picture!

Sir Q.A let's not interrupt the SOL Abay Siti any longer by giving our sisters their space! -last post-

Alright blessed* you are a potential investor with your eyes set on Africa. As the self-proclaimed spokesman and salesperson of Somalia, I will in my pitch highlight the following sectors of the Somali economy that are currently thriving and have the potential to be real money makers -Airline Industry -Telecommunications -Real Estate market -Private Health care -Private Education -Minerals & Oil Industry -Marine & Agriculture Let's start with the Airline Industry. Somalia before the civil war could only boast a 'single' airline company(Somali Airlines) but today it boasts several succesful competing airline companies: The private airline business in Somalia is now thriving with more than five carriers and price wars between the companies - World Bank some of the well known airline companies are: Daallo Airlines Jubba Airways Air Somalia Somali airlines Dalmar Airlines Star African Airlines Investment in this sector would be logical and potentially luctrative. Now for the second thriving sector in the Somali economy - Telecommunications. Off all the sectors this one would be the most safe, investment wise. - The Somali Internet population is the fastest growing in Africa. - The mobile & telephone business equally is seeing a high increase in new customers and the industry boasts the lowest rates in calls on the African continent. - Then we have the money transfer business which handles a billion dollars a year, setting up your own money transfer company in Somalia is do-able but franchising one of the larger and well known Somali companies like Dahabshiil and Mustaqbal would give you an established group of customers. - see TOPIC: Telecommunications in Somalia to be continued (btw when is the presentation?)

caudubillah look at that 'kitchen on that DIRT', a SOL intervention is what you need dear Sheh, that kitchen needs some serious cleaning!!

Originally posted by Blessed*: Adam, LOL. I know, you could bro. Sh.Sharif needs ya. We've covered the first part. The investment potential it, we're a little stuck with. Thanks. all for nothing ok i will get right on it, after dinner that is

9 - That 12th century Somali merchants from Mogadishu gave birth to the medieval Gold trade of East Africa.? The enormous wealth generated from this enterprise that exported to India and the Far East enriched the entire Somali coast and many Coral stone cities and cylindrical mosques were build as a result. 10 - That the chinese word for giraffe chi'lin has it's origin in the Somali language? The Somali word for Giraffe is 'Girrin' which according to modern Chinese scholars was picked up by the merchants of Zheng He's fleet when he visited East Africa in Medieval times. 11 - That the wealthy trading empire of Mogadishu minted it's own coins? they have been found as far away as modern Dubai 12 - That the 13th century ruler of the Kinalos Islands in the Maldives was from Mogadishu, Somalia? 13 - That the Legendary Queen Arraweello of Somalia could have been a real historical figure? A tomb in Somalia is thought to have been her final resting grave. Somali women continue to put flowers at her tomb while Somali men continue the tradition of throwing rocks at her grave and cursing the Queen's name because of her dominance and tyranny against the male population of her Kingdom 14 - That Somalia has one of the most ancient examples of rock paintings in Africa? 15 - That Zeila in medieval times was known in the muslim world as the 'City of Light'' because of the many Somali scholars and merchants who originated from this city

These are the first 15 of my 100 interesting things you didn't know about Somalia list, i hope this is what your friend's sister was looking for in her presentation about Somalia Did you know.. 1 - That the ancient Somali seafarers used a system of denning the islands within reach of the coast to navigate their way through the ancient and medieval world? 2 - That Somalia has the highest number of Castles and Fortresses in Sub Saharan Africa? 3 - That Somalia has the highest number of Stone cities and ruined towns in Sub Saharan Africa? 4 - That the classical Somali ship known as the 'Beden' remains the longest surviving vessel of all ancient East African ships? 5 - That the university of the ancient Al Gami Mosque is the oldest university in East Africa? 6 - That Somalia in ancient times was known to the Sumerians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans and the Persians as the Land of Frankincense and Aromatics? 7 - That the Somali conqueror Ahmed Ibrahim al Ghazi was the first African commander to use cannon and muskets on African soil? 8 - That the Somali Dervish State repulsed the British Empire four times and introduced the first women's army of East Africa led by the female commander Hasna Doreh?

^I agree, they are beautiful!

Blessed could you elaborate on your request? - Do you want a faq of interesting things about Somalia's history and culture? or - Do you want to know which sector of the economy are thriving and therefore are potential moneymakers for any interested investor? let me know and i will sell Somalia to you like a girlscout selling cookies muahaha

''Pride comes before the Fall'' Finish it then sxb ''After the Fall comes the rise(nabad) after the rise comes decadence and pride followed by the Fall in turn comes the rise and decadence and pride and fall and rise and decadence and pride and fall and rise and decadence and whatever..it's a vicious cycle I'm a proud Somali and could give you fifty reasons why, but I however do not look down on others!

how's bosaso A.P doing? It should have been finished by now right? hope they succeed, cause it looked great!

What the hell are you guys talking about?? Get a life...... Big Grin

Salaam Nur your welcome! and Abu Zaylaci i concur!

Masha-allah brother congrats to you and your wife, may your daughter grow up healthy and strong! Insha-allah!

who kidnapped dear Ibtisam and replaced her with a Persian girl?

Nur Salaam Somalis were allready practicing monotheistic religions before Islam came hence why it was so compatible for our ancestors to adopt the new religion, another factor that explains why Islam won so many followers is because of the ancient commercial network that connected the Indian Ocean,Red Sea and the Mediterranean Sea which came under the Caliphate's influence after the collapse of the Persian Empire and the weakening of the Byzantines. Somali merchants were a intregal part off this trade network: After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire in the 1st century BC and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arabian merchants barred Indian merchants from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula because of the nearby Roman presence. They however continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula which was free from any Roman threat or spies. The reason of barring Indian ships from entering the wealthy Arabian port cities was to protect and hide the exploitative trade practices of the Somali and Arabian merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea - Mediterraean Sea commerce. The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of Cinnamon from Ceylon and the Far East to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arabian and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula but in reality the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships and through Somali and Arabian intermediaries Indian cinnamon was exported for far higher prices in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue maker, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands the largest quantities were shipped across the ancient sea and land routes. ^The above is only an abstract of a larger article i'm currently writing on Ancient Somalia supported by various sources, but it's enough to help me explain why the conversion of the ancestors of the Yemenis and Omanis played a large role in the conversion of the Somalis. There was never a Futuh al Somal because the introduction of Islam was gradual and peaceful and the result of commerce. Somalis had a good system in place that resembled the ancient greek city states, with Islamic centers widespread and port cities flourishing, but this was before their territories were ripped apart and given away to undeserving parties who never controlled it. Then we were told to be happy with the crumbs, i admire our past presidents for rejecting the colonial borders because Ethiopia is literally a thorn in our side(just look at the map) but this has largely contributed to our current ills, i would bet my savings (if that was halaal) that modern Somalia would not be in a civil war if it wasn't forced to fight it's neighbours in a legitimate quest of helping our brethren trapped across the borders Somalia in 2006 saw a turning point and it doesn't matter how much it's enemies - wether through soft power or brutal force - are seeking to return Somalia to the warlord/anarchy era it's not going to happen, i'm very confident that we will get through this Insha-allah!