^Slow song makes sense because it's intimate, i don't get the people who do a couple dance on those really uptempo songs where they don't even touch eachother but are like two strangers dancing. btw here is ps found a nice one with the title: Beautiful Somali song

I said 'Couple dance', is your intention to hold a battle with your wife and breakdance on the floor? Kulmiye & Wife on their special day:

This section should be renamed 'Society' or 'Community', since many of the topics transcend gender.

The important dance between the couple should have this song: ^[sentimental Mode] The woman you love rests on your chest and your arms are around her, this song will bring calm to all the hecticness of two families coming together for the wedding, and the realisation that the two of you will begin a new life together as husband and wife. *In tears*[/sentimental Mode Off] [Masculine Mode] Yeah i know the song is not Somali, so bite me lol..ehem Roarr[/Masculine Mode Off]

^Just as i thought, you have nothing, DIDDLY DOO SQUAT, just a big yapping mouth, and LOL@ the following crap you just spouted: ''to draw conclusions about statistics you need numerous studies producing consistent results with a sufficiently wide sample size'' If that's the case then you should have no problems backing the previous generalisations about Somali men that you deduced from these imaginary ''numerous studies producing consistent results with a sufficiently wide sample size'', war ninyahow grow a penis! You lack the debating skills common with the majority of women. You must be an XX-male, hatred for their own gender is common amongst this subgroup.

ElPunto i can't help the fact that you have difficulty processing my 'Empires targeting the foreign males they conquer' analogy. Let me elaborate; in every society since the dawn of civilization it has always been the case where the foreign male demographic was considered the most 'alien' and 'dangerous', it is them who were targeted/marginalised the most wether as subjects of an empire or immigrants in a new country, while their womenfolk though still not fully accepted had it many times better. Therefore the latter group would find it easier blending in with the host citizens than their male counterparts, got it now? 1. If your so familiar with it, then i'm sure you will have no problems providing us with statistics lining up every immigrant group and their tendency for criminality, otherwise your just talking out of your azz. 2. Again where is the proof for this? This is a common argument i hear alot, but never is it accompanied by an actual study. The statistics of this study: Tobacco Use and Cessation Among Somalis in Minnesota puts Somali female graduates at 31% and Somali male graduates at 34%, yeah A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE 3. Again a logical fallacy, that ignores the far higher number of losers, criminals and dropouts in other communities. You are a fine example of what i was referring to in my other posts. You single out the Somali male demographic and hold them to different standards, as if they have to adhere to a 99.9% success rate, otherwise they are 'losers'. :rolleyes: Its a good thing the majority of Somali men and women don't hold that self-depreciating view of their community that is so apparrent in you. No, on the contrary Somali Americans are to busy building a strong community: Barely a decade ago, Lewiston, Maine, was dying. The once bustling mill town's population had been shrinking since the 1970s; most jobs had vanished long before, and residents (those who hadn't already fled) called the decaying center of town "the combat zone." That was before a family of Somali refugees discovered Lewiston in 2001 and began spreading the word to immigrant friends and relatives that housing was cheap and it looked like a good place to build new lives and raise children in peace. Since then, the place has been transformed. Per capita income has soared, and crime rates have dropped. In 2004, Inc. magazine named Lewiston one of the best places to do business in America, and in 2007, it was named an "All-America City" by the National Civic League, the first time any town in Maine had received that honor in roughly 40 years. "No one could have dreamed this," says Chip Morrison, the local Chamber of Commerce president. "Not even me, and I'm an optimist." The center of town still has pawnbrokers and bars, but now there are also shops with names like Mogadishu and Baracka, with signs advertising halal foods and selling headscarves and prepaid African phone cards. "Generally, refugees or migrants that come into a town give a new injection of energy," says Karen Jacobsen, director of the Forced Migration Program at Tufts University's Feinstein International Famine Center. "Somalis particularly. They have a very good network [with strong] trading links, and new economic activities they bring with them." Retailers sell clothes and spices imported from Africa; other entrepreneurs have launched restaurants and small businesses providing translation services, in-home care for the elderly and other social services. There's even a business consultant. "Increasingly, there's an acceptance that immigration is associated with good economic growth," says urban-studies specialist Richard Florida, director of the University of Toronto's Martin Prosperity Institute. "How is Maine going to grow? It's a big state with a sparse population. One of the ways to grow quickly is import people." Lewiston's sudden jolt is reflected even in enrollment at local universities. Although University of Maine enrollment has dropped systemwide since 2002, the student population at its Lewiston campus jumped 16 percent between 2002 and 2007. And Andover College, which opened a campus in Lewiston in 2004, had to start expanding almost immediately to accommodate a boom in applications. Enrollment doubled in two years. http://www.newsweek.com/id/180035 Immigrants from Somalia and other African nations are making strong strides in Minnesota toward weaning themselves off welfare,helping to lend some urgency to statewide efforts to make sure that other racial and ethnic groups perform as well. Research by state officials shows that, although African immigrants received more welfare assistance than U.S.-born blacks at the beginning of this decade, they now receive less. "The truth is a little bit counter to expectations," said Chuck Johnson, assistant commissioner for children and family services in the Minnesota Department of Human Services. "We've always been concerned about immigrant communities, but we really found out when digging into it that the much bigger problems are in the African-American and the American Indian communities." The state is asking counties to figure out why Somalis and other recent African immigrants are moving off welfare rolls faster -- which might lend clues to why other groups aren't. Suburban counties in particular are seeing increasing numbers of immigrants and minorities. "We're a rich suburban county with one of the lowest poverty rates in the country," Ruth Krueger, director of employment and economic assistance for Dakota County, told board members recently during a briefing. "We have not paid a lot of attention to minorities because the numbers have been so small." On the state's so-called "self-support index" -- based either on working at least 30 hours a week or departing from welfare altogether --Somalis in Dakota County are earning a rating of 80 percent vs. 72 percent for whites, she said. Statewide, the figures are 78 percent for whites, 75 percent for Somalis, 76 percent for other African immigrants and 58 percent for U.S.-born blacks and American Indians. Hispanics -- most native-born -- and Asians, including Hmong, have rates in the same range as whites and African immigrants. Over time, each immigrant group relies less on welfare as members learn English and how to navigate U.S. culture, and as government agencies find solutions to their needs, Johnson said. Welfare reform, with its five-year limit on benefits, has heightened the urgency for figuring out why some groups do better than others, he said. "We used to just send the check; now we need to figure out what's going on." And the shift of minorities to the suburbs adds another challenge. "Counties like Dakota, Washington, Anoka are realizing they're at the point where their caseload is really shifting, with a much bigger presence of racial and ethnic minorities, and they need to figure out how to work with those populations," Johnson said. Dakota County has met with clients of different ethnic and racial groups to ask what it could be doing better, including what sort of rapport they feel with the county's caseworkers. "Their experience with that is uneven," Krueger said. Most report some discrimination in hiring, she said. Still, she added, the issues minorities face -- such as transportation and training -- are similar enough to those of whites that the county's main focus "is on poverty, not race." Link I don't even know why i'm providing you with this info, because you will dismiss it solely for the fact that it contradicts that piece of rubbish your trying to sell us as 'facts'.

Ibti, I'm not a PM guy anymore, regardless of which forum i browse, because its to much drama lol, not to mention from my own experience completely unsafe. If its important, let me know. Btw don't take this guy's weird behaviour as a joking matter(sorry to be all serious), watch your back, some of those characters have nothing to lose.

Originally posted by Aaliyah416: lol punt u were playin with dolls/toys @03...hmmmmm....did you have some developmental issues LOL, i was cleary joking around, i stopped playing with dolls & toys in 2002 by then u should have been dating ur dutch chics lol Haihai, do you have entire transcripts of my past replies stored in that archive called brain of yours? Ehem..i clearly made a lasting impression :cool:

Nuune, the following topic might interest you: Somali Astrology

Ibti are you in Kabul, Afghanistan or something? Don't walk by yourself please! The stalker might have a sinister plan up his sleave, stay safe sister wherever you are!

Originally posted by ElPunto: P.O.P et al, When you can find large numbers of Somali women in jail, trafficking in drugs, murdering each other, joining gangs, being deliquents and absentee parents - then you can really speak of 'degrading Somali men' and 'demonisation of Somali men'. Otherwise - this is all cloud cuckoo land talk. What a Non-sequitur, the terms; Jail, drugs trafficking, murder, gangs, delinquents, absentee parents are not EXCLUSIVE SOMALI DESIGNATED TERMS, nor are Somali men even close to topping the lists of these categories, nowhere near my friend. What's even more illogical about your argument is how you pit a female immigrant group against their male counterparts, there is not a single native or immigrant group around the world where the female demographic has a higher ratio of criminals or gangmembers, that you even try to use this to back whatever vague point your trying make is just absurd and desperate to be honest. Its the men who are always most heavily marginalised in a host country because they are seen as more threatening than their female counterparts. This is why empires in the past always first targeted the male demographic. Be that as it may, how is brushing the entire Somali male population - the vast majority who are not drugs dealers, murderers or gangmembers -with the same negative brush in order to justify your own inferiority complex & identity crisis not a subject to be scrutinised, analysed and eventually dissect it for the bullcrap it really is? Kinda the way i just ripped apart your weak argument, but i'm sure your comeback will be along the lines ''When Somali women start a Civil War, or hi-jack ships then we can speak of 'Degrading Somali men' - otherwise it's all Clouds in Cuckoo land''. As if the entire male population of the Somali world out there is responsible for these acts and therefore should be generalised as a result. :rolleyes:

My point is; if a person is in a particular environment with X amount of 'losers' then that person has to start realising they are in the wrong place to begin with. Your not going to convince me that your ''sincerely interested to marry pious sisters preferring only Somali brothers but not knowing how to meet them'' are actually looking for Somali in the first place, because it simply doesn't make sense. My sisters found capable Somali men through a network of relatives and friends, what did my sisters have that your female friends don't?

Hottest Men of Africa are Somalian?: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090119150314AA6FOqG lol We should invite that Korean girl and make her a honorary Somali, like our Romanian brethren Sherban. I like the reactions, its very telling.

Aaliyah we were still toddlers playing with our toys and dolls when this topic came out. It's nice to read ancient history every once in a while

^Thanks Xiin! Originally posted by NNC: SPY=? Jajuus

The woman is nuts, smoking and drinking during pregnancies have serious consequences for the embryo, and there are multiple dangers when you smoke infront of an infant. There is something very cold and empty about women and men who plan to never have kids at all, its so sterile and one of the major reasons why Europe's demographics is rapidly changing, and i don't consider that a good thing. Motherhood, from looking at my female relatives is a demanding job though, and personally if that era comes in my life, I as a father will Insha-allah try to help the best i can, and do everything she does bar breastfeeding ofcourse. Children are an investment, they are your legacy, they and their descendants are the ones who will remember you. Some of the best memories i have in life, were those special times during my childhood with my mother, i don't consider that oppression.

You expect to find a pious brother by going to the club?, hang in the mall?, visit a one-ethnic group dominated mosque?, yeah good luck with that! Unbelievable, i would never utter nonsense like; ''Where are they, where are the good Somali sisters?'', because i have seen hundreds of them, including my own kin, and all of them with good successful Somali men. The fact that there are some Somali brothers marrying revert sisters doesn't mean i have to start wondering why they couldn't find a ''good Somali woman'', that's such a logical fallacy. and let's be honest the sisters in the aforementioned stories would not marry a Somali brother even if he was a Sahaba, any of those excuses used by them where they degrade the Somali male demographic is just them second guessing their decision, and through the demonisation of Somali men they justify to themselves that this lifetime companion they have chosen was the right one. This feeling last for a year or two and then the inner demons start chipping away, because nobody can sustain an act for too long. The proper sisters who married reverts and don't feel the need to justify themselves or explain their decision by degrading their fathers and brothers are usually the ones who are at peace with themselves and their surroundings. If i married an Indonesian muslim girl, i would do this, because i most likely LOVE HER AS A PERSON, and i'm ATTRACTED TO HER LOOKS, why the hell would i need to start talking crap about Somali women in general when they have nothing to do with how i feel about this Indonesian sister? If i degraded Somali women to justify my decision to marry an Indonesian girl, wouldn't it reflect badly on myself? Wouldn't it look like i have personal issues and a big chip on my shoulder? Yeah it would! Therefore is my opinion on the Somali community and Somali women really credible as a result? A BIG FAT NO!! There are millions of happy and unhappy Somali Couples versus a few hundred Happy and unhappy mixed couples, by the end of 2100 there will be 100 million Somali men and women, so i really don't see why you are looking for a solution to a non-issue. and lol@ you actually taking NNC's hearsay comment as the 'truth', this is just her lashing back at Scarface's comments. This whole debate is just another example in the epic Somali 'battle of the Sexes'. The ''Megalomaniacs'' of the Y-chromosome side seek to dominate the women in everything they do and hence dispute their god given right to marry whomever they wish, because according to them that's a exclusive Somali male priveledge. The ''What have you done for me Lately?'' XX-chromosome side because of various reasons such as lack of appreciation, or ''he doesn't bring us flowers'' want to press home the point that there are plenty of fish in the Sea. yawn walahi!

I'm worried, i have two young male cousins between the age of 8 and 10 living in Toronto, something has to be done about this immediately, like an increase in Somali Cops that understand the way these kids grow up and to whom these kids can turned to. The slained boys were young men with bright futures, but there is an important interim period between the age of 15 and 20 that if not filled with community initiatives like homework/sports clubs, there will be a vaccuum where youngsters gather in malls instead, and sinister characters can step in seducing these boys with promises of making $1000 a week. With community clubs however these boys would be in a relatively safe and static environment where they can be monitored, where they can play indoor soccer or watch movies, get help with homework and have a sense of stability in their lives, while at the same time avoid being a problem to their families and the society of their host country, or worse becoming a victim. In Finland the Somali community has a nice system of watchmen that patrol the streets and advice Somali youth to disperse whenever they gather on the street, real impressive rolemodels: Somali street patrol in Helsinki aims to narrow ethnic generation gap Channel Patrol guides the youth home from the railway station before nightfall-By Otto Talvio "The amateurs are on the move", a policeman guarding the railway station area declares. A group of people who seem to have enjoyed their pre-Christmas spirit emerge from the surrounding restaurants, queuing for taxis. A group of a dozen orange-coated Somali men patrol the station area every Friday and Saturday night, a stone's throw away from the taxi queue. They keep an eye on Somali youths and try to prevent fights, if necessary. They are volunteers, working for an organisation called Kanava Nuoriso ("Channel Youth"). An older man gets out of a car and approaches the group, carrying ten more orange vests for reinforcements. The men put on the vests over their own coats, and the official-looking group grows. The spokesperson of the patrol is Mohmad Musse, 28, who has lived in Finland for 12 years. Musse, who is fluent in Finnish, is also a project worker for the city's Youth Department. The first round of the Channel Patrol begins at the corner of the Sokos department store at 10.30 P.M.. The orange-clad men walk unhurriedly across the station into the Kaisaniemi park, where young people often congregate. Right now, however, there is not a soul in the park. The patrol stays in the empty park for a while, shivering. A police car passes. The most dangerous place in the city centre does not seem that dangerous tonight. A few weeks ago, however, there was a hostile situation, says Musse. Some immigrant boys had a row at the station, but the patrol had managed to intervene. Later, the fight had begun anew on the road to the park. One of the youths present had called the patrol, and they calmed down the situation together with the police. The patrol moves on to Esplanadi. Apart from Kluuvi, the city centre is quiet, at least in terms of people the patrol is interested in. On Mannerheimintie the patrol runs into a group of Somali youths, who are going to have coffee in a hamburger restaurant. Like most Somalis, they are also familiar to the patrolmen.In a close-knit community, almost everyone knows each other. This is what the operation of the Channel Patrol is based on. The youths, dressed athletically, appear shy of the camera, but seem to get along well with the older men. They are peaceful, as are all the other Somali youths the group meets.It seems like the presence of the patrol on the streets upholds the social system of the immigrant community more than anything else. This may also be behind the fact that there no Somali girls to be seen."We have no trouble with the girls," says Musse over some coffee."We do not run into girls often this late. It would be shameful for them to run into us in the street. They do not want to lose face in front of their community." Having finished their hamburgers, the patrol returns to the corner of Sokos, which has become a hang-out for young people, thanks to the warmth of the indoor area. A few familiar faces are present. Abdi, who is slightly under twenty, says he is on his way from football practice to meet some friends in town. The anorak-clad teenager smiles shyly and seems somewhat reserved. At first he did not even want to tell us his name. Later someone explains with a sly smile that Abdi is a very common name."I am probably going home soon, since there is nothing to do over here," he tells us. He mostly spends time at home and has never encountered trouble in town. "And I do not want to," he adds, just to make sure. Not everyone is having such a peaceful evening. A slightly older man, Ali Abukar, appears. He seems to be somewhat intoxicated. He believes that the biggest problem in the centre of Helsinki is the racism of the police.Ali Abukar digs out his cell phone and shows us his list of recent calls to support his argument. There was some sort of trouble in his apartment building in Sörnäinen, and he called the police.Nobody came, but an hour and a half later someone called back. He attributes the delay to racism. Friday has turned to Saturday.The next operation for the party is to encourage all of the rest of the Somali teenagers at the station to go home. Some get a ride from the Channel workers, some are escorted to buses and trains. Nobody objects. Source

Gorgeous: Tawllan Ulasan Ilroon Ilwaad(i knew a girl with that name) Hagarla Ashkiro Arraweello Filsan Bilan So many beautiful choices yet Fadumo's & Ayaans galore, unbelievable! some of the names like Aragsan and Abshiro aren't they male names?

MMA & Blessed* Husband & Wife, I had the biggest smile on my face until page 3 kkkkkk

Good Kuestion, but that's life! Taeko Way all the way!

You are trying very hard to make this ''Good Samaritanism'' a unique Somali cultural thing, but i tell you its not, matter fact the people of the country your living in have given shelter and welcomed into their neighbourhoods millions of non-Americans from across the world including you(you come off as ungrateful lol), is it really that hard for you to believe that Americans would do the same thing for their fellow citizens if they met eachother in foreign places? Originally posted by Gheelle.T: Sikhs are Punjabis and all the Punjabis in the diaspora are not Indians.. Most of Tamils are dark-skinned and not all the Tamils are Indians. I was clearly referring to citizens of India.

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: How about gaining weight? Just look at this woman vying for the world's fattest woman/mom title. My God why is nobody in her family stopping this madness? Who in their right mind would allow a loved one to step into a car, then enter the wrong lane of a high-speed freeway and crash 200km p/h into a monster truck? Well this exactly the same thing, though in her case it's not as sudden. I predict she will be dead in 10 to 15 years.

That is your personal bias because your from this ethnic group, i'm sure if you were an American expat in Bahrain or in Nigeria you would also do all these crazy things for a fellow American and vice versa.

Prince/Princess = Ina Boqor, i got this from the Somali version of the Frog Princess; Rahii ina boqor. Thanks guys!