NGONGE;952217 wrote: Now putting Chimera's daydreams aside for now NGONGE, still using the "day-dreaming" card to dismiss me eh? Here is my old unanswered reply to you: Chimera;930033 wrote: NGONGE, big bro, the difference between you and me is that if we were in a room somewhere in Somalia with a single pregnant mother expecting a boy. You would keep reminding her that he is the son of the man that used to abuse her, the same man that abandoned her. You would remind the young mother that the same blood would run through that little boy's vain. You would remind her of his clan-lineage and why the little boy most likely would end up a militiaman or a pirate, and that she should accept that destiny, because to you "clan is everything". In the process you would give her examples of the civil-war and showcase pictures of degenerate warlords as role-models. I on the other hand would inform her of all the potential positions her son could attain in life if she were to support him. I would tell her that there is absolutely no limit to what her son could achieve if she raised him in the right environment, with proper care and attention, be it a doctor or Boeing pilot, an architect or a Karate champion. I would highlight that each man has his own soul, and that the sins of the father aren't inherited by the son. I would give her a myriad of examples showcasing successful Somalis to whom clan is unnecessary, and who have adopted more admirable/profitable and less destructive societal systems to advance their own lives and that of those around them. Your stance is a lazy one, it lacks creativity and ingenuity, for that you need dreams, some attainable others not. However, we both know which of the two positions is more destructive to the newborn boy, You would have the young mother accept the terrible future you painted for her son, which in turn becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because the mother after your speech lost all hope and simply did not bother to educate him, or to care for him, or to fight for his future, or to show him love because nobody wants to love a militiaman in the making, right? I give her honey sweet hope and candy rich dreams. That's what a young mother wants to hear, that her son could be the President of Somalia one day and help her countrymen rise from their current pathetic existence, that he could fly for Somali Airlines one day, that he could be the head of East Africa's biggest Children's Hospital one day, that he could be the most sought after architect/designer in the Somali peninsula for new constructions one day. My position is what will benefit the toddler, and give him a fighting chance in a world ruined by older generations. Superimpose this upon the whole of Somalia, and one can see which of the two positions is very destructive to the future generations and which of the two is more productive. Your "clan is everything" mantra should also be edited into "clan is necessary". The latter I will conceed, in a poverty stricken country like Somalia clan remains necessary, but this does not have to be the future reality. This degenerate societal system is barely 800 years old, and most clans can't abtiris back beyond the 16th century, most of it BS. I bet if I had a time-machine and inserted Big Bird in one of these genealogies the current clan-masses would eat it hook, line and sinker. We were Somalis before the clans, and we will be Somalis after the clans. Its an extremely weak system when you peel away the bravado, for it cannot withstand the pressure of a strong state, or a strong movement. The problem in the case of Somalia is that these states and movements came with degenerate view-points and individuals of their own that failed to achieve success or maintain success in clan-neutralizing societal pillars such as education, military, religion and economy. This is why clan remains necessary in Somalia, but it wasn't necessary to the thousands of Somali school children that traveled across Somalia to teach nomads, from different clans than their own, how to read and write. It wasn't necessary to the thousands of Somali soldiers that were a hair away from permanently obliterating the Ethiopian empire, it wasn't necessary to the hundreds of thousands of Somalis from across the peninsula that invested and settled in the Somali metropolis of Mogadishu. Rahima let you off easy, but we both know that the group which was the most powerful political and military force to rise from Somalia since the collapse of the central government was neither clan-based, nor dislodged by clan-based states. It took external powers to thwart their attempt at ruling Somalia. In this scenario, the group lack the visionary principles that guided Ataturk or the Ayyatollahs and the rest is history. Yet their rise also showcased the utter weakness of the Somali clan system in the face of a united transclan opposition. "Clan is necessary", but only to certain factions in Somali society is this applicable, not to the thousands of Somali doctors, nurses, teachers that care for and teach hundreds of thousands Somali patients and students on an annual basis without asking for their lineage....clan is unnecessary. To the multi-million dollar Somali companies such as Hormuud and Dahabshiil employing tens of thousands of people and with offices all across the peninsula....clan is unnecessary. Around 40-50% of the Somali population remains nomadic, and to further highlight your "clan is everything" mantra is a lazy way of stereotyping a complex problem, you would categorize these nomads as a large pool of clannists, because in your non-fluffy world, clan is everything. You would use the various skirmishes between nomads as an example that clan is everything and therefore we should accept it as is. My "clan is necessary" copy-edit is far more inclusive to the real roots of the problem of today, which in this case is watering wells and grazing areas. In a situation where these nomads are introduced to more modern technology in the form of rain-water harvesting, cloud seeding and factories to process and develop money-making products, the clan becomes unnecessary and the concept of violence becomes a thing of the past. Similar plans could be employed in the economic, political, military and social sectors to make clan unnecessary for the average Farah or Halimo. That is the difference between you and me big brother, I provide solutions, some attainable tomorrow others we need a few years to reach them, but reach them we will. You however don't stimulate the mind, you only seek to perish the heart, and bury the soul, because in your world nothing good will come from Somalia, we should just forget about it, lose hope, because its one big clan-orgy, hallelujah! Not me! I like my dreams, and will never feel ashamed about them, in-fact its helping me professionally in multiple ways,

I agree, the situation domestically looks grim from a reconciliation perspective, though internationally Somalia is very much back on the map.

Personally most of this article disgusts me, because this reeks of the agricultural colony scam plaguing most of Africa, which had not yet reached Somalia due to the civil-strife. These characters want to cultivate Somali soil and then sell the harvest back to the Somali people (probably at a higher price than Mahad from Afgoye, or Hamdi from the Jubbas), how freaking absurd is that? The Federal government must make it clear that agriculture is a national security issue, and no lands the size of European countries can be sold. (this was part of the old constitution, I wonder if that clause is still there?) Somalia fund aims to ‘rebuild a nation’ By Steve Johnson A UK private equity and commodity trading boutique is seeking to raise a $1bn fund to invest in Somalia and neighbouring states such as Kenya and Malawi. London-based DVK said it was already negotiating deals to supply foods such as rice, flour and edible oils to Somalia, which is slowly emerging from two decades of turmoil, with part-payment in agricultural land that the fund can cultivate. :mad: It is also looking at public-private partnerships to build roads, bridges, hospitals and schools, and opportunities to supply trucks as well as fund cargo aviation. “It is about rebuilding an entire nation,” said Deepak Kuntawala, founder of DVK, which currently manages $340m in agriculture and real estate funds. He said the Luxembourg-domiciled, sharia-compliant DVK Africa Development fund had already received $330m of pledges. “There are massive investment opportunities [in Somalia]. People are fighting to get in,” added Mr Kuntawala, who said that at an international aid conference in London earlier this month Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, the Somali president, was besieged by 200 business people . :eek: DVK is also creating a separate East Africa Core Development fund, aimed more at private investors, particularly from the east African diaspora. - FINANCIAL TIMES

Abtigiis, welcome back brother. The right leadership is at the helm in Mogadishu, and fairly shared between the petty clans. Unfortunately the amount of obstacles they face is gigantic. You can take any historical leader or government that countries around the world consider the cream of the crop in their timeline, be it George Washington, Churchill, Thomas Sankara, Mutsuhito, etc and all of them would either fail or find themselves incapable of resurrecting a dead republic at the pace the ordinary civilian wants it to be. 130000 Somali children died only two years ago, and even that was not a big enough lesson for us to learn the art of compromise, no instead we derail anything good, and call ourselves presidents and sultans.

Oodweyne is missing, Abtigiis is present. Abtigiis is missing, Oodweyne is present. Yep.....class-A script in action

I wonder what that flag on the right represents? I hope that on the 1st of July, the government places a small podium at the top of the monument, flanked by large screens on each side. The President and other significant men and women of Somali society would then give speeches about SYL, and the future of the country, in front of a large crowd clad in blue, now that would be a sight to remember!

Mario B;951906 wrote: Somalis should be multi-lingual, we should have 3 official languages Somali, English and Arabic. We should also learn Portuguese so we can trade with future economic power houses of Brazil, Angola and Mozambique. We should also be able to use swahili and Mandarin if possible. Somali should be the official language only, our membership in the Arab League required official status for that bloc's language, but that can be rectified eventually when we leave that organisation. None of the languages you mentioned should even be considered, official status is overkill. The Federal government should instead create specific language teams, each 25 man/woman strong that act as economic lobbying groups, but who, unlike embassies, reach out to foreign businessmen and companies.

Happy May 18. What's happening in London?

Exactly its all about interests, these countries are reopening their embassies in Mogadishu because of those interests, not because of the Somali people. Its the Federal Government's duty as the sole champion of our interests on this Earth to press home these universal Somali interests to each respective ambassador.

Mario B;951901 wrote: Central bank chief turns recovery skills on Somalia "That informal economy is a robust economy," said Omer, who has previously said it was growing at 5 to 7 percent a year. Somalia's economy passed the 6 billion mark 20 years ago, its probably 3 to 4 times the 1990 level today, and with huge potential to grow much larger. Nobody believed me last year when I said Somalis in a few years time will enjoy the highest GDP per capita income in the region, as they did consecutively for 40 years before the war broke out. With Chief Omer in charge, we will finally transform the giant informal economy into a formal one, from which the Federal government can actually receive tax, and in turn independently initiate major infrastructural projects. Indicating a growing confidence, Somalia's battered shilling has strengthened by about 80 percent in the past two years since Islamist militants were ejected from Mogadishu by an African peacekeeping force. It now trades at about 18,000 to the dollar. Its 13,000 to the dollar now.

After those ABC saqajaans cancelled V prematurely, I've been getting my extraterrestial kick from Falling Skies:

oba hiloowlow;951314 wrote: Liban is going to be a billionaire baller by 2020 if he keeps investing like this in multiple-business sectors that will eventually make serious bank in a peaceful Somalia. Specialization is truly for insects.

Caano_Geel;951447 wrote: (More of this please!)

nuune;951179 wrote: What is the point of having diplomatic relations with countries if you cannot ask them the basics, we have foreign ambassadors won't do any good for us, we need to seektheir expertise on the thinngs I mentioned. It is very simple, now more than 20 new ambassadors were named this year alone, list them in order of priority of what their respective countries can do for us: Finland: Education, theirs is the best in the world. Japan:Maritime, and urban infrastructure. Germany: Factories, economic model, federal model and reconciliation advice. China: Iconic national infrastructure projects such as large dams and a rail-network. USA: Military hardware, political support, economic investment. UK: Training of judges, lawyers and policemen. Netherlands: Flower-plantations, and Port-Authority networking between Holland's post-panamax ports and Somalia's panamax ports. Egypt: Heritage preservation. South Korea: Shipbuilding, commercialized fishing, expertise on creating a homegrown entertainment industry. Turkey: is already doing great stuff, and has more projects planned. Russia: Energy sector and resource nationalism. Switzerland: Financial system, most importantly the banking sector. Two of them have not yet been accredited to Somalia, but this list should be a priority for the Federal Government, because with their support and expertise we could become an African Malaysia (with better beaches) by 2030.

nuune;951163 wrote: ^^ I am also worried about the South Korean factorized-fishing-vessels that still operate illegally on our coast, the number of illegal vessels will increase after this news,this is more worrying than the agriculture issue. That's the beauty of formal relations, you have a direct ear to the source of the problem. The South Koreans must either purchase licenses that will benefit the coastal villages significantly, or enter into joint-ventures with Somali fish companies, that could use the skills and the ship-building technology South Korea is well known for:

The Federal Government must be clear from the start and let the South Koreans know that Somalia's arable lands are for its native people first and foremost. No agricultural colonies for export must ever be allowed to be established in the country, they can import our commodities. There has to be a limit on the size of exploration blocks awarded to any specific multinational/country as well, to maintain a diverse and more secure energy sector. Resource-nationalism is extremely important for the future.

Ambassador Kim Chan Woo

MOGADISHU (RBC) Somalia’s federal president Hassan Sheikh Mohamud has on Thursday received credentials from the new South Korean ambassador to Somalia Kim Chan Woo in Mogadishu, RBC Radio reports. The Deputy Foreign Minister of Somalia Federal Government Jamaal Mohamed Baarow said the president also welcomed the resuming diplomatic relations between Somalia and South Korea for than two decades after the collapse of former Somali regime in 1991. “ The South Korean Republic will also re-open its embassy in Mogadishu and that paves new relations between the two nations.” the deputy foreign minister added. The new South Korean ambassador to Somalia Kim Chan Woo said his government will start agricultural and technical projects which the South Korean used to fund to help Somali people before the civil wars erupted in the country. He said South Korea has the experience for the rebuild of a nation like Somalia in the post-conflict as Korean people maintained the development of their country after the Korean war ended in 1950s . - LINK

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