LOOOL Have I frustrated you? Next time, remember you are talking to me and not to some kid from the block. ''say it for the record, let me hear it... '' LOOL still laughing at the sheer arrogance of that question. Who do you think you are ''let me hear it'' kulaha. Duke, You should seek help. Your ''Indhacadde-syndrom e'' is killing you mentally.

''The modern day Pirates started in Puntland area because of the fishing traders of that region. The abuse of the sea and so on. '' Duke, Is it the fishing traders or the ancient ways of those folks in plundering of shipwreckeds? The ancient phenomenon of sea scavengers? These remarkable pirate colonies thrived from the riches plundered by the sea scavengers. As long as these sea scavengers enjoyed the support of clan elders, all went well. Some of the scavengers have even ruled these pirate settlements as chiefs and clan-leaders and continued to carry on their scavenging business. Alarmed at the level of pillaging going on around the Cape, historian Wayne Durrill unveils a 40-page letter written by an American expeditionist, Charles Graves, some time in 1878. In his letter, Graves described how sea scavengers preyed on shipwrecks and how the scourge of Cape Guardafui was made sacrosanct. He wrote: So important did shipwrecks become to the sultanate that in 1878 an American visitor among the ********** reported: “A priest is stationed in the mountains near Cape Guardafui who prays day and night that God will drive Christian vessels ashore that they may plunder them! This was told me by the Chief of Hunda [Hurdia?] who regarded it as a very prudent, proper and pious precaution—he thinking I was a Moslem.” See History of Piratestan

Emperor, one word: Piratestan, that alone should tell the story.

^Who is hijacking the thread? Dont hijack the thread sxb with your ''new and different question''. I countered Kashafa's outrageous claim. Now, have you something to comment about that issue? Yes? Say it. No?, then move on. Your ''new and different question'' neither fits in the topic nor in supporting or opposing Kashafa's outrageous claim.

Gen.Duke, Lets cut the crap. There is a reason why the Pirates are concentrated in the region above Xarardheere/Hobyo, namely Northeastern coast. Why is there no Piracy in Northwestern Somalia? Why is there no Piracy in Southern Somalia along the coast of the Jubba regions? Both straits are as strategicall as the Indian Ocean close to the Northeastern coast of Somalia. Piratestan will be the first victim of the coming Western move against Piracy.

^ You can read right? Also, go through my SOL archive and find your answer. Kulaha 'let me hear it'' LOL

^He is YOUR president LOL Is that clear for the record?

^^ You can read right? I have every right to counter outrageous claims. Sh.Shariif 100 times more poisonous then A.Yusuf? WTF LOL He must have been high when he uttered that outrageous claim. And I set him right, ofcourse Yusufites will have difficulties with this.

I'm with you on this one, rudy. Sharwade Ahmed is a 100 times more poisonous than anything Cabdullahi Amxaar could have conjured. Kashafa, Is it because SH.Sharif is systematically dismantling the Islamic factions from within? A.Yusuf was powerless to attract key Islamist factional leaders, but Sh.Shariif however has already ICU, Xisbi Islam part (the largest faction) and is now pushing to get Aweys out of the game. Ofcourse, that alone explains the fact why you are so nervous and have made outrageous claims like the above one.

Tiirka labaad ee dawladnimda: Qaaraanka dawladda by Cabduraxman M. Cabdullahi (Baadiyow). Sida dadka Somaaliyeed intooda badan uga fikiraan dawladnimada waxay qaloocatay waqti hore, waxayna u baahantahay sixitaan xoog leh. Dawladnimo waxay ku dhisan tahay muwadinnimo, sharci iyo dhaqaale. Sedexdaas arin oo leh maamul iyo madax aan ka weecan sharciga, dadku u simanyahay, dhaqaalana inta ururisa aan ku takri falin. Muwaadinnimadu waxey ka dhigan tahay in loo sinaado dhibka iyo dheefta dalaka. Sharcigu wuxuu tusaaleynayaa qaabka muwaadinniintu uga wada qeybqaadan karaan hawlada dalka ayaga oo isku xuquuq iyo waajibaad ah. Waxaa kale uu sharcigu sheegayaa sida laga yeelayo muwaadinkii ku xadgudba xuquuqda, waajibkana ka mermeera. Dhaqaalaha la’aantiis waxba ma suuragelayaan. Dhaqaalaha dawladuhu waa qaraan laga ururiyay, waxaana loo yaqaannaa “cashuur”. Erayga “cashuur” ma aha eray macaan, wuxuuna u dhedhamayaa sida wax qasab ah oo aan ralli laga ahayn. Laakiin, erayga qaraan waa micno dadka Somaaliyed yaqaaniin oo ruuxii “qaraan diid ah” la isku waafaqsan yahay inuu yahay ruux wanaag diid ah oo la cambaareeyo. Sidaas oo kale ayaa dalalka horumaray loo cambaareeyaa ruuxii cashuurta aan bixin, dambiga ugu weynna lagu qaadaa. Somaalida qaarkood waxey aaminsan yihiin in cashuurtu ay xaaraan tahay oo micnaheedu noqonayo dawladnimadu waa xaaraan. Qaar kale waxey sheegaan in cashuurta tahay “xoolo jinni” oo ay bannantahay in la boobo. Sidaas darteed ayaa xatooyada hantida dawladda loo baneystay, dawladiina sidaas lagu kala diray. Ummadda muslimka ah waxaa qaaraanka dawladda u dheer, dhaqaale kale oo loogu tala galay dadka aan awoodin iney shaqeystaan. Qaraankaas waxaa lagu magacaabaa “Zako” waajib ah iyo sadaqo dheeri ah. Micnaha weyn ee dawladnimada waa in muwaadiniinta shirkada ku ah dalka, dawladda iyo diintu ay bixiyaan qaaraan ay ku maamushaan dalkooda iyo zako iyo sadaqo lagu kaalmeeyo muwaadiniinta intooda tabarta daran. Laakiin fikirka dawladnimada aan soo sheegnay laguma dhisin dawladda Somaaliyeed. Waxaa lagu bilaabay fikir qaloocan oo gaasir ah. Fikirkaas waa: dawlad ku dhisan kalmo, kabid iyo dayn. Kalmo ama mucaanino waa sadaqada loo bixiyo bani-adannimada (humanitarian assistance), kabid dhaqaale (economic assistance) waa mucaawinada aan dayn aheed oo lagu kabo dhaqaalaha dawladda, daynna waaba la yaqaan oo wax la soo celinaayo oo dulsaar leh (intrest). Gacan-hoorsigu wuxuu unoqday dhaqan joogto ah ee madaxda dawladda Somaaliyeed, maxaa yeelay dawladihii isticmaarku kama tegin dawlad dhaqaale ahaan isbixin karta. Tusaale ahaan, 1957 miisaaniyadda dawladdii maamul hoosaadka Somaaliya ee gobolka koonfurta waxey ahayd $14.1 milyan. Miisaaniyadaas waxey ka koobneed $6.9 milyan oo ah dakhliga gudaha iyo $7.2 milyan oo ah kabid dhaqaale ee dawladda talyaaniga. Sidaas ayaa lagu bilaabay Somaaliya dawlad aan bixin karin mushaarka shaqaalaheeda. Markii gobonimada la qaatay 1960, intii laga fikiri laha isku filnaasho dhaqaale oo ku timaada horumarinta ilaha dhaqaalaha, dawladda Somaaliyeed waxey xoogga saartay iney hesho kalmo caalamai ah iyo iney gasho kharaj ayan ku filneyn bixintiisa. Somaaliya waqtigaas waxey heysatay fursad qaalli ah oo ay ku tartamayaan dawladaha reer Galbedka iyo kuwa reer Barigga. Waxey ka faa’ideysatay dagaalkii qaboobaa (cold war) iyo tartankii Ruushka iyo Mareeykanka. Haddii tusaale u soo qaadanno afartii sano ee ugu horeysay gobanimada (1960-1963), kaalmada dawladda la siiyay waxey ahayd sida soo socota. Sanadkii 1960 ($7.89), 1961 ($17.9), 1962 ($21.4), 1963 ($18.75). Waxaa kale oo intaas dheeri ka ah in dawladu qaadatay afartaas sano dayn dhan $ 112.45 milyan. Waxaa mar kasta sii kordhayay farqiga u dhexeeya waxyaabaha dibadda laga keeno iyo waxyaabaha la dhoofiyo. Tusaale: 1974, waxyabaha la dhooqfiyo waxey gaareen $55 milyan, waxyaabaha dibadda laga keenanana $ 175 milyan. Sidoo kale, 1982 waxaa la dhoofiyay $ 167 milyan, waxaana dibadda laga soo dejiyay $ 510 milyan. Mar la isku soo duubo, muddadii u dhaxeysay (1960-1988), waxaa Somaaliya la siiyay kaalmo gaaraya $7.4 bilyan oo isugu jira, kabid dhaqaale oo gaaraya $ 5 bilyan iyo kaalmo militeri, $ 2.4 bilyan. Sidaas ayaa Somaaliya ku noqotay dawladda la siiyay kaalmada ugu badan ee Afrika marka loo eego tirada dadkeeda. Hadaba, mar hadii dagaalkii qaboobaa dhamaaday oo caalamka wax tartan weyn ah ayan ka jirin. Mar hadii dhaqaalihii aduunyadu hoos u dhacay oo qaylo dhaan afka labadiis ah la wada yeeray. Mar haddii Somaaliya weyday saaxiib run ah oo u soo gurmada, baadbaadidiyana dawladnimadeeda. Mar hadii dadka Somaaliyeed iyo dawladda Somaaliyeed indhohoodu u jeedaan dibadda iyo in kaalmo la siiyo oo ayna welli goosan iney isku filnaadaan. Habada yaa dawladda Somaaliyeed ku tashaneysaa iney masruufto? Sida aad la socotaan, waxaa la sameeyay baarlamaan gaaraya 550, waxaa la sameeyay dawlad sal-balaaran oo gaareysa 37 wasiisr, wasiir ku xigeeno iyo wasiiru dawladana malaha waa soo socdaan. Waxaa la sheegayaa in la sameynaayo ciidan xoog leh oo dalka nabadiisa iyo kala dambeyntiisa soo celiya. Waxaa loo baahanyahay shaqaale la hawlgeliyo iyo in dib loo dhiso kaabayaasha dawladda. Hadaba xagee misaaniyad laga keenayaa oo yaa dawladda Somaaliyeed masruufaya? Ma waxey ku tashaneysaa dawladaha Carabta oo looga bartay balanfuryo, af-macaan iyo hawl-qabad xumo? Jaamicadda Carabta oo bilawgiiba muujisay taagero xumo markii ay dawladda siisay $1 milyan oo doollar. Shirkii ugu dambeyay ee madaxda dawladaha Carabtu isugu yimaadeen dalka Qatar, taageero Somaaliya geesinimo gelisa lagama maqlin. Ma waxaa dawladu ku tashaneysaa UNDP lacagaha lagu soo shubo oo dawladiihii horeba masariif “ku dhimo ah” siin jiray? Dawladihii bixin jiray kalmooyinkaas waxey ku mashquulsan yihiin sidii ay dalalkooda uga badbaadin lahayeen dhibaatooyinka dhaqaale ee soo food saaray. Ma waxaa dawladu ku tashaneysaa ilaha dakhliga dalka iyo qaraanka dadka Somaaliyeed? Dadka Somaaliyeed sidaas ma u ogyihiin oo diyaar ma yihiim? Ma la hubaa in qaarankaas si xalaal ah loo maamulayo oo dadka qancisa? Ma laga leexanayaa dhaqankii looga bartay madaxda Somaaliyeed ee ku takri falka hantida guud ? Waxaa muhiim ah in dadka Somaaliyeed iyo madaxdiisu isla fahmaan daruustii ay ku duntay dawladii Somaaliyeed 1991 oo ay sal u aheed in dawladu waysay dhaqaale ay ku wado dalka markii laga goostay kaalmooyinkii la siin jiray. Dabadeedna, waxaa la bixin waayay mushaarkii, saboolnimadii ayaa badatay, laaluushkii iyo musuqmaasuqii ayaa kobcay, bangiyadii ayaa gorfay, dawladiina waxay ku baaqday iney kacday (bankruptcy). Dawladihii KMG ahaa ee lagu soo dhisay Jabuuti (2000) iyo Kenya (2004) waxaa lagu saqiir suujiyay (infanticide) kaalmadii oo loo diiday. Sidaas darteed, waa in dadka iyo dawladda Somaaliyeed la yimidaan dhaqan cusub ee dawladnimo. Dhaqankaas oo ku dhisan isku tashi. Dhaqaankaas wuxuu ka bilawdaa in dawladu ay tabarteeda socoto oo ayana marna isku haleyn kaalmada dawladaha kale. Arinkaas wuxuu ku imaan karaa in shacbiga Somaaliyeed ogaadaan, kuna qancaan ineysan dawlad helayn haddii ayna qaaraanka dawladda bixin. Labadaas qodob hadii la isla fahmo, inta soo hartay waa farsamada iyo maamulka oo la hagaajiyo. Waxaan ku soo gunaanadayaa maqaalkaan, xikmad waqti hore la sheegay oo ku saabsan dawladnimada. Waxaa la yiri: dawladu ma jiri karto ciidan la’aantiis, ciidan ma jiri karo dhaqaale la’aantiis, dhaqaale ma jiri karo wax soo-saar la’aantiis, wax soo-saar ma jiri karo nabad iyo cadaalad la’aantood. Sidaas darteed, dawladu ma jiri karto haddii ayna keenin nabad iyo cadaalad oo sababa wax soo-saar oo sababa dhaqaale oo sababa jiritaanka ciidanka iyo dawladda. Hadaba, inta isweydiinno yaa masruufaya dawladda Soomaaliyeed, ma ku heshiinaa inaan isku tashanno, Ilaaheyna talo saaranno? Ma isla garanaa in xaalkeenu maraayo: bushi badan, baahi badan iyo baryo badan waa la isku nacaa!!. Ma wada xasuusanaa maahmaahooyinka Somaaliyeed ee ah “biyo sacabadaada ayaa looga dhergaa!! Gacmo wada jir ayay wax ku gooyaan!! Mise dullinnimada, dawlad la’aanta iyo dawarsi aan caadeysannay ayaan ku joogeynaa!! Ilaa intee aan ku joogeynaa!!

Tiirka koobaad ee dawladnimada: Muwaadinnimo by Cabduraxman M. Cabdullahi (Baadiyow). Eraygga “Muwaadin” maalmahaan aad looma maqal, una maleyn maayo iney dareemi karaan micnihiisa dhabta ah dhallinyarada soo barbartay intii ka dambeysay burburka dawladaa qaranka 1991. Waxaa kale oo la hubaa iney eraygaas iloobeen dadkii goobjoogga ka ahaa dawladnimada iyo aqoonyahaanadii kusoo nacfiyay dawladnimada oo waxbarsho, shaqo iyo sharaf intaba ku helay. Waxaa kale oo la dhihi karaa inaan markii horeba aan shacbiga aad loo barin micnaha muwaadinnimada iyo dawladnimada. Si gaaban haddii loo qeexo micnaha muwaadinnimada waxa la dhihi karaa: waa xubin ka noqoshada rasmiga ah ee dawalad qaran (Somaaliya) ama dawlado isku tegay (Midawga Yurub), gobol (Gedo) ama magaalo (Baidoa). Xubinnimadaas waxaa lagu heli karaa udhalasho ama la dhaqan deganaasho leh, waxeyna ku dhisantahay in xubnaha oo dhan leeyihiin xuquuq siman iyo waajibaad isku mid ah. Markii dawladii qaranka meesha ka baxaday 1991, waxaa eraygaas bedelay erayo kale oo muujinaya xubinnimo ku kooban gobol ama reer oo buuxiyay booskii muwaadinnimada Somaaliya. Tusaale, ruuxu wuxuu xaqqiisa ku raadsadaaa asaga oo sheegta magaca reerkiisa, kursi baarlamaan ku qaadan karaa si reernimo ah, wasiir ku noqonayaa magaca reerka. Muwaadin Somaaliyeed ayaan ahay waxba laguma helo, xisbi mabda’ ku dhisan ayaad ka tirsanahay waxba laguma helo. Sidaad darteed, inta laga gaarayo waqtigaa doorashooyinka xorta ah, reerku wuxuu noqday waxa kaliya oo looga qeybgeli karo siyaasadda dalka. Waxaana shaki la heyn in xaaladaasu ay sii dilayso dareenka muwaadinnimada iyo nidaamka dawladnimada. Sidaas darteed, burburkii dawladda qaranku wuxuu reebay dalool weyn oo aan la awdi karin. Dalool xagga fahamka dawladnimada, xagga dhaqanka, sharfata iyo karaamada. Koox kasta oo isku dayday iney buuxiso daloolkaas waa ku fashilantay. Waxaa ugu horeeyay Jabhadihii lagu soo abaabulay Itoobiya oo lagu soo dhisay qaab-reereed hubeysan oo isku dayay iney awoodda qaranka kula wareegaan si reernimo ah. Waxaa la soo tijaabiyay oo suurtagal noqon waayay in lagu dhisi karo dawlad qaabka isbahaysi reernimo. Sidaas ayaana mashruucii reernimadu ugu fashilmay xukunta dawladda. Fashilkaas, inkasta uu kala heer iyo nooc ahaa, hadana marna kalama go’neyn oo wuu isdaba joogay dawladiihi Somaaliyeed oo talada dalka qabtay ilaa 1960. Markii dawladii rayidka aheed laga kari waayay musuqmaasuq iyo qaraabo-kiil ayaa Ilaahey ku saliday ciidan careysan oo ay dabada ka riixaysay dawladda Ruushku. Dawladdii kacaanka ee 1969 oo bilawgii hayi kicisay dadka oo kusoo jiidatay barnaamijyada sinaanta iyo shaqadada, waxey ayana cagta saartay waddii kuwii hore ku fashilmeen oo ku dhisan qaraabo-kiil, eex iyo hantida qaranka oo la gorfiyay, lana mudursaday. Waa qaab guracan, waa boob iyo sadbursi kasoo horjeeda fikirka dawladnimada oo ku dhisan “muwaadiniin siman”. Waa sinnasho aan ku xirneyn dhalasho, dhaqan, lab iyo dhidig, jinsi iyo luqad. Muwaadiniintaas waxey leeyihiin xuquuq siman sharciga hortiisa, waxaan saaran waajibaad isku mid ah sharcika hortiisa. Nidaamka dawladnimada casriga ah kuma jirto wax kala soocaya dadka muwaadiniinta ah, kuwooda fiican iyo kuwooda xun, muwadinnimada waa usimanyihiin. Muwaadin kasta wuxuu helayaa abaalmarin ama ciqaab shaqsi ah qaanuunka hortiisa ee miisaan kale lama sari karo. Sidaas ayada oo ah, hadana muwaadinnintu waa kala fiicanyihiin, waxeyna u kala baxaan kuwa baari ah iyo kuwa caasi ah. Kuwa baari u ah dalkooda, dadkooda iyo diintooda, iyo kuwa intaasba caasi ku ah oo hadana aan la tuuri karin. Kuwa caasiga ah waa kuwa loogu tala galay in lagu edbiyo xabsiyada iyo xerooyinka xanaaneynta. Muwaadinka fiican waa qof u hogaansama qaanuunka dawladda oo aan sharciga jebin. Waa qof bixiya qaaraanka dawladda (canshuurta) oo aan la’aanteed dawlad la noqon karin. Waa qof shaqeysta oo naftiisa iyo qoyskiisa masruufa. Waa qof kaalmeeya inta ka tabarta daran oo gaarsiiya mucaawino. Waa qof aan khiyaanin waddankiisa oo aan ka shaqeyn danaha dawlado kale oo cadaw la ah dalkiisa. Waa qof xoogga saara inuu iibsado waxyaabaha dalkiisa laga sameyo ama laga soo saaro si uu u kobco dhaqaalaha dalkiisu. Waa qof xor ah, sheega waxyaabaha runta ah, taageera waxyaabaha saxda ah, kana soo horjeesta waxyaabaha khaldan. Muwaadinka fiican waa qof iskaashi la leeyahay dadka uu la wadaago fikirka, shaqadu ka dhexeyso iyo kuwa dariska la ah. Muwaadinka fiican waa qof aan wax xadin, wax boobin, been aan sheegin, wax aan khiyamin, qoyskiisa si fiican udhaqda, caruurtiisa barbaariya. Muwaadinka fiican waa qof ixtiraama xornimada, dareenka iyo qaab nololeedka muwaadiniinta kale iyo aadamiga oo dhan. Ugu dambeyntii, muwaadinka fiican waa qof leh dhaqanka iyo akhlaaqda fiican ee diinta Islaamku na fareyso. Muwaadinka xun, waa qof nuxnux leh, hadal ku nool ah oo inta shaqeysata ku dul nool. Ku dulnoolaasho ku dhisan tuugsi, khiyaano ama boob. Kuwaas qaarkood, waxey isku haystaan iney dadka ka diin badanyihiin, ka waxgaradsanyihiin, kana nasab sanyihiin. Waxey isku haysataan iney yihiin libaax dadka kalena waa waxba. Kuwaas agtooda, dadku ma aha muwaadiniin siman oo dadka waxaa ugu fiican reerahooda, xaqna u leh iney reeraha kale xukumaan, xoog ama xeelad. Kuwaas qaarkood, dadku Muslim umawada aha ee waa in loo kala saara sidexda “M” midkood: mu’min, munaafaq iyo murtad. Sidaas darteed, dadku ma aha muwaadiniin siman. Sidee loo simi karaa muslimka fiican, munaafaq iyo murtad? Muwaadinka xun waa sharci jebiye, qaraan-diidka dawlada iyo qoys burburiye. Muwaadinkaas dhaqankiisu xumaaday wuxuu culeys joogto ah ku yahay muwaadiniinta fiican, dhaqan celinna ka sugayaa asaga oo aan luminin muwaadinnimadiisa. Hadba waxaan aheyn muwaadinnimo dawlad Somaaliyeed kuma sameysmeyso. Dawlad waxaa sal u ah muwaadinnimo loo simayahay xuquuqda iyo waajibadka. Ruux kasta oo muwaadin ah ayada oo aan loo kala saarin mid fiican iyo mid xun, waxey u simayihiin qaanuunka hortiisa. Ilaalin qaanuunkaas waxaa ka mas’uul ah hay’adda garsoorka ee dawladda. Somaaliya, qaanuunkaas waa inuusan khilaafin mabaadi’da Islaamka oo ku dhisan fahamka dhedehxaadka ah oo ka fog seef-laboodnimada (tadarufka). Dawladda Somaaliyeed, ugu horeyntii waxaa laga sugayaa iney sugto nadagalyada muwaadin kasta. Waxaa dawladda looga fadhiyaa xaqiijinta ujoodooyinka waaweyn ee shareecada Islaamka oo ah: Ilaalinta iyo badbaadinta nafta, maalka, sharafta, diinta iyo caqliga muwadiniinta. Hawshaas waxaa laga rabaa dawladd ee ma aha mid laga sugaayo koox siyaasadeed. Caadifo diineed ama mid reereed aan sal sharci ah laheyn oo lagu hawlgalo waxaa u dambeeysa shanlaay iyo calaacal. Waxey ku biyo shubteen, inta badan, arin owr ku kacsi siyasadeed ah, oo dabayaaqadeedana taagerayaashu farta qaniinaan. Fikirka muwaadinimada waxaa asaaska u dhigay “Dastuurgii Madiina” oo Nabigeenaa (saw) oo ku dhaqay dadka kala diinta iyo kala dhaqanka ah ee deganaa Madiina markii uu halkaas u haajiray. Waxaa muuqata in muwaadinnimada iyo dawladnimada uu isku xiray Nabigeynna suban (saw). Waxaa kale oo la hubaa in asaaska loo dhigayay “umadd” ku dhisan mabaadi’da Islamka oo ka gudubta qaabka reernimada. Muwaadinimadu ma diideyso in daku ay yihiin qabiilo iyo degaanno danahooda ka shaqeeya ayaga oo aan ku xad gudbeyn muwaadiniinta kale iyo dastuurka qaranka. Muwadinimada ayaa ah unuga koobaad iyo salka dawladnimada wanaagsan (good governance), waxey ku dhisan in dalka xukunkiisa loo simanyahay, loo tartamo, xisbigii ama ruuxii hela codka dadka intiisa badan, talada loo dhibo muddo xaddidan. Hadii uu hawsha ugasoo bixi waayo sidii la rabay, waa in lagu ridi karo tantan kale, bedelkiisana ruux kale la dooran karo. Sidas ayaa shacabku wuxuu kusoo dhacsan karaa awoodiisa, wuxuuna qasbi karaa inuu xukumo ruux ay raalli ka yihiin oo kaliya. Arinkaas waxaa lagu magacaabaa “demoqaraadiyad” ama “shura” oo nuxurkooda siyaasadeed isku mid yahay. Muwaadiniinta waxaa ka mamnuuca iney xukunka iska booban, xooggna isku xukumaan, haddi ay dhacdana, waa xaald jiro ah oo aan horseedeen bulsho caafimad qabta oo u horumarta. Intaas ma isla fahamnaa?

Cabdi-case, The question is not been better off or not. The question is on what grounds do they espouse secessionism? The 1st picture shows a young boy been ''educated'' about the meaning of the monument. The momument is seemingly built to commemorate those who have perished during the bombing of the city by the dictatorial regime of Barre. On the monument there is a SOmaliland flag and someone who is defending the people who are bombed. From that monument I can deduct that a few opportunists want to abuse and mis-intrepret the awfull bombing of the cities and massacre of its inhabitants to fit in their selfish political program: secessionism. Hence, why I invite all those supporters of ''Somaliland'' to come in here and explain on what grounds they support secession. Is it because of the atrocities committed? Is it because of un-equal sharing and representation within Somalia? Is it because of what happened after 1991, namely the civil war and their desire to save themselves from the blooddy civil war? What are the reasons exactly? More, importantly what is the main ground on which one espouses secessionism?

^^ So you decide who from the Culama is good or bad based on your political believe? Those Culamo who are against your political camp are BAD and Those Culamo who are for your political camp are GOOD. The sooner we defeat these power-hungry political groups who want to corrupt and politicize our pure Religion the better for everyone. PS: Sheikh Abu Roobow is not different then Sheikh Indha Adde. Both are typical warlords.

Piracy is a problem wherever it manifests itself. Also, the writings on the wall are clear: Some powers are fabricating a pretext to make moves. What are those moves? We believe that they want to send in troops to Somalia's coast-cities which are infested by Piracy. Hobyo, Xarardheere, Garacad, Eyl, Bosaso etc run the risk. Also, major towns that are connected to those coastial cities face the same risks. Now, since your questions are answered, can you adress the questions I have asked in the thread about secessionism. So far, both NGONGE, YOU AND ABU-DIAB have exhibited an evasive behaviour towards discussing the main grounds on which secessionism is based on. Whats up with the secrecy? If you deeply believe in something you should be able to explain WHY.

Me, The Culama were there in the past 18 years. They denounced the violence and kept themselves on the down low. Since the Somali political landscape was dominanted by the Clannist paradigm, their warnings and denunciations were not heard or just ignored as ''silly wadaado who dont know that this is CLAN WAR''. The only reason why they have surfaced today to a visible level is because of the fact that the Somali political landscape is dominanted by the Islamist paradigm. We have different Islamic factions and different ''wadaado'' opposing each other. All want and say that they want to implement Sharica Law, yet they are so divided and ready to wage war upon each other. Now, since these different Islamic factions use the Kitaab and Sunnah as their intellectual basis, it is natural and logical to seek a group that is known to be experts regarding the Religion. Hence, why the Culama came into play. As a societal group that is distinguised by their deep understanding of the Kitaab and Sunnah and as a group that has been neutral in the conflict between the different Islamic factions it is obvious that they should mediate between the different factions and advice them on how to achieve what they all want: ''Implementation of Sharica Law, and ruling the country by Islamic Law''. They have made their stance very clear to all. They have adviced both camps on what to do. But both camps have ignored it. Also, they never discredited the brave young men that fought against the occupation.Matter of fact, the majority of those brave young men are behind the Culama's viewpoint and rather want to solve the conflict through them in order to achieve where they believe in. -------------------- -------------------- ----- How I see things: The whole issue/problem is not about ''Implementing Islamic Law and Ruling the country by the Kitaab and Sunnah'' but is about POLITICAL POWER. The different factions are just mis-using our Religion to advance their struggle for political power. The different factions, whether they are Alshabaab, ICU, Ras Kamboni, Islamic Unity whatever, are no different then the previous Jabhado. As such, whoever choses side is no different then those Somalis post-1991 who chose a side of a jabhad. The Culama have exposed the socalled ''Islamic factions'' for what they are: just power-hungry political groups hiding under the Deen.

Kashafa, The South has overcome clannish warlordism. Surely, we will overcome the religious warlordism like those before them. We will not tolerate any political group that wants to enforce their will upon society. Time will tell. ------ As for the thread, lets wait for those who support the Somaliland ideology. Xaaji, Can you explain the 1st picture? All I see is the bombing of a Northern city by the previous dictatorial regime of Barre. And there are those brave Somalis defending themselves from it. But what I dont get is, the flag in the picture. Why is there a Somaliland flag on the monument? Are they implying that SNM fought for secession and already knew in 1988 that they wanted to create a secessionist state called Somaliland? Also, is the bombing of the Northern cities and the atrocities committed there by the dictatorial regime of Barre the main ground on which one espouses secessionism? Can you explain that Xaaji Xundjuf.

Kashafa, The Sharif admin is far from an Ethiopian puppet-administratio n like the previous TFG admin. It is a Western puppet regime, in which other powers have more leverage while the previous TFG admin was mainly an Ethiopian puppet administration untill Nur Adde came and pushed the whole regime away from the Ethiopian camp and back to the Western camp. Anyways, you may exaggerate the real situation since it supports your religious warlords camp. But to most Somalis, both camps are two ears of the same donkey! Those who (through others) take orders from Osama are no different then those who (through others) take orders from Obama. Gentlemen, as I have said before, we shall see who wins this war and who sets the course for Somalia for the next 100 years. We shall see indeed. Qul tarabasoo fa'inii macakum minal mutarabiseen. Religious warlords will be thrown in the dustpin of history, within 20 years their nac nac on the Somali political landscape will be forgotten like the previous nac nac of Somali warlords like A.Yusuf, Qanyare, Muse Sudi, Morgan, Cumar Jes, Hiiraale etc etc. We shall see. Me, Lets not confuse things any further. There are accusations against the foreign-created government for selling our territorial waters to Kenya. These accusations should be taken very seriously and as such investigated since Somalia's territorial waters are on stake. However, since the issue has been used to launch a PR-campaign against the current foreign-created government, we should not fuel it and instead seek the truth of the matter. Also, opposing and harshly criticizing the foreign-created government is one thing. But the Culama who have the Islamic knowledge and credentials should not be de-humanized and discredited. The simple reason why the Culama and their expertise should not be damaged is that they can give the people the correct intrepretation of the Deen and as such counter the religious warlords who want to intrepret the religion in a way that supports and sustains their political agenda. So far, they have done their work. They have adviced both camps to heed their warning. -To the foreign-created government the Culama were clear: witdraw the AMISOM troops within 120 days and spare the people more massacre at the hands of foreign soldiers . They did not lisen and instead asked for more. -To the Religious warlords, the Culama were very cleaR: to seize any hostitilities and allow people to live in peace . They did not lisen and continued with their warlord games. Conclusion: - The foreign-created government is no better then all those before them. -The religious warlords are no better then the clanist warlords before them. Why should the Culama's influence in society be strenghtened and not weakened? Since the traditional leadership (clan elders etc) were weakened in Southern Somalia, the clannist warlords could fill in the void and intermingle the clan agenda with their own political agenda. The only reason why the Clannist warlords have prevailed over the traditional clan elders in Southern Somalia is because of the weakening of the traditional structures compared to Northern Somalia. As such, the Culama and the religious institutions in Southern Somalia should be strengtened and not weakened. For if they are weakened, the religious warlords will intermingle the religion with their own political agenda. At the end of the day, we rather lisen to a well-known wadaad who has a deep understanding of the Deen then a shady figure with a beard who spitss some verses of the Quran mixed with usual warlord-rethorics.

Hobyo and Xarardheere are hotspots who ran the risk of foreign occupation too. AYOUB, I noticed the flag on your display, perhaps you can answer me some questions in this thread: Secessionism---On What Grounds?

The irony in this all: The International community already knowes that the Puntland admin is involved in the Piracy issue, and hugely profits from it. The admin and region have truelly become Pirate's nest and none of the actors in that region want to combat it. Hence why nobody takes their cries serious. Also, why are their no pirates operating from the Northwestern region of Somalia under the rule of ''Somaliland'' admin? Or from Southern Somalia's coast near Jubba regions? Both those locations are strategicall too, but still no piracy activity. Clearly, the problem is not lack of funding but lack of will and sincerity on the part of the Pirate-admin/Puntlan d.

Maamulka Puntland oo codsaday in wax laga siiyo lacagaha lagu bixiyo Howlgalka Atlanta ee la-dagaalanka Burcad Badeedda Khamiis, April 09, 2009(HOL): Maamulka DGPL ayaa ku guul darraystay in uu gacanta ku soo dhigo Markab laga leeyahay dalka Yemen , kaasi oo maalmo ka hor ay kooxo burcad badeed ah ka af-duubteen Xeebaha gacanka Cadmeed. Ciidamo ka tirsan Ilaalada Xeebaha Puntland ayaa dhawaan u boqoolay gacanka cadmeed si ay u soo furtaan markabaasi oo sida la sheegay waday shidaal aad u faro badan, waxaana ay ciidamadii loo diray hawlgalkaasi ay dib ugu soo laabteen degmada Eyl ee Gobolka Nugaal. Wasiirka Wasaaradda Amniga DGPL C/llaahi Siciid Samatar oo ka hadlay sababta keentay in la soo furan waayo markabkaasi ayaa sheegay in aysan jirin ciidamo u tababran la dagaalanka Burcadda, isagoo intaasi ku daray in markabka lala aaday meelo ka baxsan Xeebaha Puntland. Waxaa kaloo Wasiirka Amniga C/llaahi Siciid Samatar uu xusay in afduubayadu ay intaasi ka sii badan karaan haddii aan maamulka Puntland la kaashan ,isagoo eedayn ballaaran u jeediyay Maraakiibta shisheeye ee ku sugan biyaha Somaliya. "Ma jiro Cid Maamulka ka caawisay dagaalka lagula jiro Burcad badeedda ,waana taasi sababta keentay in afduubayadu ay sii bataan" ayuu wasiirka u sheegay qaar ka mid ah Wariyayaasha Bosaaso. C/llaahi Siciid Samatar Wasiirka Wasaarada Amniga Puntland ayaa xusay in lacago faro badan lagu bixiyo hawlgalka lagu magac daray Atlanta ee la dagaalanka Burcad Badeedda ,waxaana uu codsaday in Maamulka lacagahaasi wax laga siiyo si loo soo afjaro Burcad badeedda. Faysal Maxamed Xasan (Boston), Hiiraan Online boston@hiiraan.com Bosaso,Somaliya

Somali Government Ready to Resolve Piracy Problems Somalia's new government says it would be able to deal decisively with the piracy problems off its shores if the international community would provide logistical support and supervision to its navy. This comes after Somali pirates defied international naval powers and are holding hostage the capital of an American ship on a lifeboat in the Indian Ocean. The pirates tried to hijack U.S ship Maersk Alabama Wednesday, but Captain Phillips thwarted the takeover by offering himself as a hostage. Abdulrahman Haji Ibbi is the Somali minister for Fisheries. He tells reporter Peter Clottey that if such support had been forthcoming, the pirates would not have posed the problems they now causing off the Somali coast. "This problem of the piracy in Somali sea waters is a problem and a very difficult thing for everybody. But for us it is not a difficult thing because we as Somalis have to show our experience of how we can handle and tackle these kinds of problems. But we are deeply sorry and it is regrettable all these expenses that the international community is spending towards addressing this piracy issue sending all their naval vessels to Somali sea waters without doing anything at all," Haji Ibbi said. He said several requests by the Somali government to help solve the piracy problem have fallen on deaf ears. "What they could have done, which we have told them many times is that the Somali new government wants to solve once and for all the problem of the piracy of the Somali seawaters. That the international community could help us in a very simple manner giving us the kind of support that our Somali coast guards will like to actually tackle all these problems and we will do it. We use to do it and we have been doing it during the Islamic Courts of Union we knew each other and the problem is not the water. The problem is land so and we don't want the problems happening now to continue," he said. Haji Ibbi said the international community has been reluctant to help with the new government's effort to resolve the piracy menace. "We have presented requests to all of them, all of them. There is not a single member of the international community that my president or prime minister has not mentioned this problem to. They mention the problem of piracy to all the people of foreign governments that they have met since the new government was formed and none has actually given us the kind of response that we have expected from them. We are not actually complaining, but what we are saying is to help the community to help the people and we are saying please help us because we can actually do this job in a very secure manner. And they know very well that we can do it," Haji Ibbi noted. He said the lack of funds and logistics has made the Somali coast guard ineffective in preventing the pirates from operating. "What kind of coast guard are we going to use to fight these pirates when we don't have money to pay them? We as a government don't have that kind of money or economical support which we can use to give to our soldiers to go and get these pirates and everybody knows that. We are not actually getting revenue from anywhere except the ports but we are still not getting the type of funds that we are looking for. Don't forget the government is only one month and a couple of days and as government we never inherited any economical infrastructure. For this country there is no revenue there is no central bank and the money that we are getting is that small thing from goods and services revenue from the port. In a whole month we get only 45 to 50 thousand dollars," he said. Haji Ibbi said the government could easily deal with the pirates once it receives logistical and financial support. "Definitely we can do that and I can guarantee that we can deal with it as soon as possible. We know these people and we know how to tackle them and how to solve the problem. We know where these pirates are coming from, where they are going and we know their tactics. Everybody know their own people and we keep asking the international community, the United Nations and particularly the United States of America which we believe have very good facilities for that and the European Union to actually help us. I mean these are very simple things we can get to help the world get rid of these pirates," Haji Ibbi noted. Meanwhile, the capture of Captain Philip has once again focused world attention on Somali piracy, as happened last year when gunmen seized a Saudi supertanker with $100 million of oil on board, and a Ukrainian ship with 33 tanks. The United Nations World Food Program says escalating attacks by Somali pirates are increasingly making it harder to deliver food and relief aid to the hungry in some parts of Africa. The organization said escalating attacks are raising insurance costs and making shippers wary of going there, saying it now costs hundreds of millions of dollars more to feed the same number of people because of the problems associated with shipping food and high food prices. The Kenyan port city of Mombasa, south of the Somalia coast, is a vital hub for receiving food assistance for Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Somalia and Kenya. Meanwhile, Washington has brought in FBI hostage negotiators to work with the military in trying to secure the release of Capt. Richard Phillips of Underhill Vermont with officials saying the bandits were in talks with the Navy about resolving the standoff peacefully. The head of the US Central Command, Gen. David Petraeus, said more ships would be sent to the area to ensure that there is capability that might be needed over the course of the coming days. Washington says it was seeking a peaceful solution, but was not ruling out any option in freeing Phillips. Some political observers believe the additional ships are a show of force in response to a rise in the number of attacks and the first one on a U.S.-flagged ship. The move is expected to give the U.S. military more eyes on the threatened area to act as a deterrent to future pirates attacks. President Barack Obama is reportedly being kept abreast with ongoing developments in the negotiations between the military and the pirates who are still holding Captain Philips hostage. Source: Voice of America, April 10, 2009

Terrorism card is now scrutinized to check whether it can succesfully be used as a pretext. Another development: Somali opporunists are throwing their bid at attracting some money and weapons by showing their willingsness to collaborate. Before the Ethiopian occupation and the open warfare against the Islamic factions in Somalia, the US and others financed and armed Somali opportunists to hunt the wadaado down and fight their factions. Are we experiencing now the same development with opportunists from Northeastern admin begging for funds so they can combat the Piracy themselves? The same with the foreign-created government who cried for financial and logistical support so that they can combat the pircacy too.

Officials: Pirates, terrorists not linked directly WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials have found no direct ties between East African pirates and terrorist groups but continue to search for signs of links between the two factions in the wake of the Indian Ocean hostage incident. It was not clear whether officials were specifically scrutinizing the Somali pirates who boarded the Maersk Alabama on Tuesday and fled in a lifeboat after taking hostage the cargo ship's captain. Military and counterterrorism officials say that in the transient world of Somalia's combative coastal dwellers, a Somali clansman can be a fisherman one day, a pirate the next, and a weapons trafficker the following day. "If you look at the clan structure or the tribes — to think that there may not be linkages probably is a bit naive," Adm. William "Kip" Ward told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday. Michael Leiter, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, warned that some of the money from piracy could make its way into the hands of extremists. "I certainly would not put that out of the realm of possibility," Leiter said at the Aspen Institute. When hijackings first spiked off the coast of Somalia last year, counterterrorism officials pressed for any evidence that the country's extremist factions, or even al-Qaida militants operating in East Africa, might be using piracy to fund their violence. But the complicated clan structure and Somalia's ungoverned black market have made it difficult to trace the cash transactions. In one indication that the groups sometimes have conflicting agendas, members of the al-Shabab terrorist organization lashed out publicly at a group of pirates late last year after they attacked the Sirius Star, a Saudi oil tanker. A senior U.S. military official familiar with the region, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss intelligence gathering, said the military is still looking hard at potential connections between piracy and the escalating terrorist activities in east Africa. A key concern for the military, the official said, is the steady flow of black-market weapons, including rocket-propelled grenades, from Yemen into Somalia, where militants use them in both on- and offshore crimes. Source: Associated Press, April 9, 2009

Horn/Gabal, The quoted piece answers the question from my point of view. I am interested in THEIR point of view and corresponding answers. ALSO, NEVER DISTORT MY POSTS and NEVER draw false conclusions. Is this me ''Parading'' with Gen.Aideed?? I only pointed out that even he was against secessionism. Now, why did you distort my post and try to take a low shot at me? Please explain and let SOL audience be the judge.

Che, I dont think they can nullify any agreement. Not even those Barre´s regime signed in a haste when it was crumbling down.