Me, How exactly is Ahlu Sunna faction supported by Ethiopians? And you still didn't answer my Q regarding the Alqaida and International Jihadi link and whether those foreign powers are also ''natural allies'' of Somalia.

Me, Eritrea is after its own National Security Interest, I would not be surprised if they violated Somali interest whenever it goes against their own interest. Their latest conlfict with Jabuti is an example. We are in a civil war, and every foreign actor is taking advantage of it. We should denounce all foreign interference or accept some depending on our interest. The latter case led to the occurance of factions that support Eritrean interference since that advances their own interest (not that of SOmalia) and others have Western powers behind them since that advances their own interest (Not that of Somalia). pS: What about Alqaida and International Jihadi organisations? who Alshabab admitted to be linked to? Should we also be thankfull to them?

We should draw a clear line: All who are financed, trained, backed, influenced by foreign powers are either: - Bad and not in the interest of Somalia and its people. Or - Neutral/Good and in the interest of Somalia and its people. We cannot have a hypocritical situation where one faction accuses the other of the same sin. The religious pretenders are fooling nobody.

Originally posted by me: It is no secret. Ahlu Sunnah works for Ethiopia, Ethiopia arms them and they are the enemy of Somalia. The timoweyns, xers and other house ****** snitch on the ONLF all the time. Ahlu Sunna are clean fighters. But, what about those factions (Alshabab & Xisbi Islam) that have admitted themselves that they are backed by foreign powers? Alshabab admitted themselves that foreign fighters assist them, and Xisbi Islam have admitted that Eritrea is backing them and arming their soldiers. So, following the same logical reasoning would lead to the declaration of those two entities as the enemy of Somalia.

Al Zeylaci, As I said: You neither Alshabab have the credibility nor the legitimacy to accuse other factions of been supported by foreign powers. How can someone who himself is financed, supported, trained, influenced by foreign powers accuse others of that same sin??? I neither support Alshabab, nor the religious pretenders Hassan Aweys nor Sh.Shariif nor the defunct secular warlords but only those Sufi forces that are clean from foreign interference and are pure so far.

Duke, The Ahlu Sunna should mobilize themselves and more importantly mobilize the fierce nomads from the arid plains of Somalia: Galgaduud, Mudug, Bari, Nugaal, Sanaag etc. The only force that can counter the foreign-supported/fi nanced/trained/indoc trinated Alshabab is a PURE SOMALI FORCE that consists of the single most characteristic of Somalis: fierce nomadic warrior mentality. So far in Galgaduud the Ahlu Sunna allied with the local nomadic clans control: -Abudwaaq -Balanbale -Dhusomareeb -Guriceel -Maxaas -Waxbo -etc etc. Their main disadvantage so far is: they are not really linked. The Ahlu Sunna from Guriceel-Dhusomareeb should send reinforcements to Maxaas etc. Al Zeylaci, You neither Alshabab who have admitted that they are supported and financed by Alqaida, and have foreign fighters fighting besides them have NO SINGLE CREDIBILITY NOR RIGHT to talk about ´´Western or foreign support´´. The religious pretenders want to use foreign powers themselves yet denounce other factions when they use foreign powers. Amin Arts latest cartoon has made the hypocricy of the religious pretenders clear to all. Lets hope the only AUTHENTIC, PURE SOMALI FACTION out there will defeat these foreign supported religious pretenders.

Al Zeylaci, The Ahlu Sunna fighters that broke Alshabab and their foreign fighters more than 3 times in Waxbo-Maxaas are 100% autenthic Somalis. Unlike, the Alshabab who have themselves admitted that foreign jihadi fighters are in their ranks, and are supported by Alqaida and other International organizations. Insha allah Ahlu Sunna allied with the local Geeljire´s will crush the foreign-supported, financed, influenced and trained Alshabab and their Eritrean-supported, armed and trained Xisbi Islam faction.

Even Xisbi Islam is supported by foreign entities: Eritrea. I despise all foreign-backed factions that have foreign fighters amids themselves and bring unparalleled destruction upon Somali families. Such factions should be defeated for the sake of Somalia and its people.

Al Zeylaci, I support the only 100% authentic Somali faction out there, with ZERO % NON-SOMALI FIGHTERS. I hope these fierce nomads with their geeljire mentality will bring more damage to the foreign-trained, financed and influenced Alshabab and their foreign fighters. They should be decimated like in Guriceel-Dhusomareeb , zero tolerance for these religious pretenders. So far the Ahlu Sunna faction has support from the various Somali nomadic clans in Central Somalia. They should solidify that support and mobilize every single geeljire to counter these foreign-supported religious pretenders. Lets see what those Ahlu Sunna allied with Geeljire´s of Mudug will do since those from Galgaduud seem to be crazy already.

On Friday and Saturday, fighting between Shabaab and a moderate Islamist group in two central towns killed some 68 people and sent 3,300 others fleeing from their homes, pro-government forces and a rights group said. "We have killed 47 al Shabaab fighters including a white man in Mahas and Wabho," Sheikh Abdullahi Sheikh Abu Yusuf, spokesman of the moderate Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca, told Reuters, adding that three of their fighters had been killed. http://news.yahoo.co m/s/nm/20090517/wl_n m/us_somalia_conflic t ------ Alshabab have economic advantage: they control 2 major ports and a vast agricultural hinterland. They have military advantage: influx of foreign fighters and their expertise, Eritrean arms shipments. Clearly Ahlu Sunna is doing great considering the major disadvantages they have.

So far, Ahlu Sunna Wal Jamaca are the only faction in which ONLY SOMALIS fight. All the other factions have NON-SOMALI fighters in their ranks. More pics at: http://ahlusunna.org /view.php?id=375

It seems that the fierce nomads from the arid Central regions of Somalia are ruthless in defeating the religious warlords. Alshabab could so far prevail in cities were people are tired of fighting after 18 years of conlicts. But the nomads in the Central regions are still warlike and have not been indoctrinated in the alien ideology of Alshabab. http://ahlusunna.org /

SIXID: Halka Dagaalku ka Dhacay Waxaa Lagu Magacaabaa Dab-Qurun oo U Dhaxaysa Dac iyo Wabxo { 18 May 2009 Culumada Ahlu Sunna ayaa galabta 10kii saac (4pm) weerar ku qaaday saldhiggii looga soo duuli jiray Wabxo oo Iminka culumadu ku sugantahay. Dagaalka ayaa daba socday weerar hoobiyayaal ah oo lagu soo weeraray Wabxo. Dagaalka ayaa muddo hal saac iyo xoogaa ah socday. Saldhigga ayaa waxaa loogu tagay dad soomaali iyo ajaanib isugu jira. Markii wax yar xabbadu socotayna wey kala carareen. Halkaas waxaa looga dilay nin caddaan ah oo sida la sheegay u qaabilsanaa qaybta qaraxyada. Waxaa iyana laga dilay 10 nin oo kuwa xabaalaha qoda ah. Culumada ayaa waxaa ka shahiiday 1 wadaad iyo 2 dhaawac ah. Dab-qurun waxay dhacdaa jidka loo aado Ceel Buur, wax yarna koofur ka xigta tuulada Dac. Labadii maalmood ee la soo dhaafay ayay 3 jeer weerar ka soo qaadeen khawaarijtu oo ku wajahnaa magaalada Wabxo. Dagaaladaas ayaa isu geyntooda, qiyaastii waxaa uga le'day kooxaha gafuurka tiro 80 ruux ka badan. Culumadana, maanta ayaa waxaa ka shahiiday wadaadkii 4 dhanka Wabxo. Ciidan Ahlu Sunna ayaa weli ku raad jooga inkastoo cadceeddu dhacday oo ay adagtahay in la qabto ruux baqday habeenimo. Qaar ka mid ah ciidanka dagaalka galay oo aan kula hadalnay khadka telefoonka ayaa noo sheegay inaysan khawaarijtu wejiga nasiin karin oo mushaar un u xulanayaan ee aysan jirin qadiyad u qalanta kudagaalankeeda. Waxaad arkeysaa ayay yiraahdeen RUUX CARARAYA OO HADDANA DHAHAYA ALLAHU AKBAR! Waxay caddeynaysaa in imaanku uusan dhuunta jirin ee magaca ilaahay iyo DUBUR-JEEDIS la isma raaciyo! Xafiiska Warark ee Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca

Dagaal xoogan oo caawa ka dhacay degmada Wabxo oo lagu kala adkaaday iyo meydadkii ugu badnaa ebid oo waran caawa halkaas Dagaal rogaal celin ah oo markii afaraad ay soo qadeen ciidamada Alshabaab ayaa ka dhacay caawa kaa oo u dhaxeya xoogaga islaamiyiinta isla ah ee isaga soo hor jeeda dhinaca fikirka waa Ahlusuna Waljameeca iyo Alshabaab Dagaalka caawa fidikii halkaa ka dhacay ayaa inta la ogyahay waxaa ku dhintay 76 qof oo u badan xoogagii halkaa isku fara saaray waxaana la dhihi karaa waa dagaalkii ugu xumaa ee halkaa ka dhaco inta la ogsoonyahay Dagaalka caawa ayaa waxaa wali uu ka socda dhanka Dac halkaa oo loo riixay xoogaga Alshabaab iyadoona deeganka Wabxo gacanta ku hayaan xoogaga Ahlusuna waljameeco oo xiligaan u muuqdo xoogaga dar dar cusub ku soo galay siyaasada Sooomaliya Sheekh C/risaaq Ashcari ayaa sheegay inay jireen Meydada dad Cadaan ah oo ka bar bar dagaalamayay Alshabaab, kuwaasoo uu sheegay inay ku soo bandhigayaan website-yada Soomalida Labada urur diimeed yaa isku heysta xaga fikirka iyagoona ay isku heystaan Wahaabiyo iyo Suufiyiin taana waxaa la dhihi karaa dagaalkooda waa mid labada qole aminsan yihiin hadii ay ku dhintaa dagaalkaasi jano galayaan waxaase isweydiin mudan jano si sahalkaas lagu kalaayo haday jiri laheyd waaba fudun laahed Dhanka kale deegaanka Maxaas ayaa waxaa xiligaan ka taliya xoogaga Alshabaab oo dagaal faraha looga gubtay kula wareegay Jamac Qoor-Gaab Dayniile.com Garoowe, Cigaal101934@hotmail .com

Thus no real assistance have been given to Somalia including the Northern states. No companies would come to Somalia and conduct business because of Mogadishu and no foreign embassies and international presence could be set up in Somalia because of Mogadishu. 1) Aid does not lead to development 2) foreign companies would only exploit Somalia 3) foreign embassies does not mean development. You are just angry at ´´Mogadishu clans´´ which is caused by your cuqdad and hatred towards those clans. Nothing new here adeer, so dont mimic your words. You wanted to portray the current Islamist take-over of Somalia as defeat of ´´Mogadishu clans´´ but sorry to distrubt your wet dream: The Islamist Revolution is a product of the dynamics of Mogadishu city and the current Islamist factions have originated in Mogadishu. As I said earlier: go seek professional help and dont let cuqdad and hatred tear you apart from within.

''have led to this point to today. '' Besides, What point exactly are you talking about? The Islamists seem on their way to re-unite Somalia and pacify it. And they have their political birth in Mogadishu city.

We came to this point because of the failure of this group, not a clan failure but a group who high jacked the interest of the clan and condemned the clan and Somalia to poverty and destitution So, let me get it correct: -Because of the factional leaders in Mogadishu Somalia is condemnded to poverty and destruction? So the poverty in Bosaso, Hargaisa, Burco, Kismanyo etc can directly be linked to the failure of those in Mogadishu LOL. Another thing, one time (like in the above quote) you talk about ''political groups'' and in your topic and its title you talk about ''Mogadishu clans''. Apparenlty you have difficulties hiding your cuqdad for Mogadishu clans.

You should really do something about your cuqdad for those you refer to ''Mogadishu clans''. It is clear to all how far that hate and cuqdad runs in your veins. Also, what dreams exactly. Explain it and let us see how far your cuqdad goes.

You should really seek therapy for your problems with those you call ''Mogadishu clans''. Go seek help adeer, because hate & cuqdad is killing you from the inside. PS: What ''dreams'' are you talking about?

I also fail to understand why Xiinfaniin focuses only on Mogadishu city while the abduction and selling of Wadaado is a national phenemenom. Or has he forgotten about the ''PIS'' and how they have been financed by CIA and other foreign agencies to conduct their wadaado-snatching?

Religious warlords will go the same path as those before them: division and never-ending conflict.

Sheekh Xasan Daahir iyo saraakiil ka tirsan ururka Al-Shabaab oo kulan xasaasi ah ku yeeshay beerta Sayed ku leeyahay degmada Afgooye Mogadishu Sunday, 17 May 2009 SM Beerta aadka u weyn ee Sheekh Sayed Bin Suldan Al-Nahyan oo ahaa Madaxweynihii hore ee Dowladda Imaaraadka Midoobay ku leeyahay degmada Afgooye ee gobolka Sh/hoose, waxaana shalay halkaasi ka dhacay kulan ballaaran oo albaabadana ay u xirnaayeen, iyadoo sida ka muuqatay abaabulka iyo isku duba ridka kulankaasi ay Al-Shabaab ka dambeysay ayaa waxaa wadahadalo aan waxba la isula harin halkaasi ku dhex maray Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys iyo saraakiil sarsare oo ka tirsan xoogagga Al-Shabaab. Madaxda ka tirsan ururka Al-Shabaab ee kulanka la yeeshay Xasan Daahir waxaa ka mid ahaa: Sheekh Xasan C/llaahi Xersi (Xasan Turki) iyo madax ka tirsan Al-Shabaab, iyadoona ammaanka goobta uu kulanka ka dhacayay ee magaalada Afgooye ciidamada Al-Shabaab si weyn ilaalo uga hayeen. Warar lagu kalsoon yahay oo aanu ka helnay madasha kulankaasi ayaa la sheegayaa inuu ku dhammaaday is afgaran waa, kaddib markii Al-Shabaab ay Xasan Daahir u soo bandhigtay qodobo aanu awood u lahayn inuu fuliyo, iyadoo waxyaabaha ay soo bandhigeen Al-Shabaab ay ka mid yihiin inuu hubka soo wareejiyo ku soo wareejiyo Taliska maamulka Al-Shabaab. Sidoo kale qodobada loo soo bandhigay Sheekh Xasan Daahir waxaa ka mid ah: inuu ka tanaasulo ururka Xisbul Islaam kuna soo biiro Al-Shabaab si toos ahna ula shaqeeyo iyo qodobo kale oo aad u fara badan. Dhinaca kale inkasta oo kulanka shalay ka dhacay Afgooye aan laga soo saarin wax war ah, ayaa u muuqda inuu ku soo gabagaboobay fashil, inkasta oo Sheekh Xasan Daahir uu madasha kulanka ka sheegay hadalo siyaasadeed iyo isagoo Al-Shabaab u ballanqaaday inuu fulinayo inta badan qodobada loo soo jeediyay. Somaliweyn Media Center “SMC”

Hogaamiya kooxeedyadii shalay la nacay oo maanta loo hamuun qabo Hogaamiya kooxeedyadii shalay la nacay oo maanta loo hamuun qabo Muuse Suudi,Qanyare ,Indhacade ,Cabdiqeybdiid ,Goobaale,Bare hiiraale iyo Morgan oo ay horey ay u naceen shacabka Soomaaliyeed ayaa xiligaan u muuqda kuwa loo hamuun qabo kadib markii la waayey nidaam wax ka badala toodii dagaal doonida aheed iyo qabqablanimadii iyo dagaal oognimadii lagu yaqaanay oo shacabka soomaaliyeed ku naceen taas ayaana keentay in dalka Soomaliya dhan uu dagaal ka holco. waxaa xiligaan socda qorshe ah in dagaal galinta lagu wareejinaayo hogaamiyayaashii dagaalka ee Soomaaliya kuwaa oo sheegay in ay difaacayaan dowlada islaamiga Soomaliyeed waa siday hadalka u dhigeene. Hogaamiyayaashaan ayaa leh khibrad dagaal oo u dhiganta mida ururka Alshabaab iyadoo ay u muuqato markan inay soo gabagaboowdey taageeradii ay ka heli jireen ummadda Soomaaliyeed kadib markii ay shaaca ka qaadeen in ujeedada dagaalkooda uusan aheen mid ku xiran joogitaanka iyo bixitaanka Itoobiya ama ciidan kale toona ee uu yahay dagaalkoodu mid waligiis soconaya isla markaana ay uga mid yihiin jihaadiyiinta caalamiga ee dagaalka kula jira wadamada reer galbeedka sida ay ka dhawaajiyeen madaxda alshabaab oo kala ah sheekh Xasan Yacquub, Sheekh Xuseen Cali Fiidow iyo Sheekh Fuaad Maxamed Khalaf. Hadalada madaxda alshabaab iyo shaac ka qaadida ay shaaca ka qaadeen inaysan dhag u jalaq siineynin hadalada culumuda cilmiga diinta looga danbeeyo dalka Soomaaliya iyo dunida islaamka iyo waliba odayaal dhaqameedyada beelaha kala duwan ee Soomaalida ayaa keentay in shacabkii shalay alshabaab taageeraayey ee qarinaayay isla markaana caanaha iyo biyaha ka daba waday inay maantay qoriga kusoo jeediyaan oo ay la dagaalamaan kana door bidaan xataa qabqablayaashii dhibka badnaa maadaama qabqablayaasha ay dadka ku dili jireen magac qabiil maantayna ay yimaadeen kuwa dadka ku dilaya magac diineed oo dadkii soomaaliyeed gaaleysiinaaya isla markaana dhiigooda, xoolahooda iyo dumarkoodiiba xalaaleysanaya. Kulamo aan kala go laheen ayaa xiligaan u socda kooxaasi aan kor ku soo sheegnay iyo hogaanka dalka iyadoona sidaa la sheegay lagu wareejin doono saanad milatari iyo ciidamo qaas ah oo ka kooban maleeyshiyadii hore u taageersanaa nidaamka hogaamiyaasha dagaalka. Dhawaan ayaa la sugayaa wareegta ka soo baxeysa xafiiska madaxweynaha oo loogu kala magaacaabi doono gobolada Shabeelada Hoose iyo Shabeelada Dhexe iyadoona gobolka Shabeelada hoose loo magacaabi doono Sheikh Yuusuf Indhacade halka Shabeelada dhaxe loo magacaabi doono Maxamed Dheere labadaasi shaqsi ayaa loo diyaarinooyaa ciidamo badan iyo saanad Milatari kuwaasoo saacadaha soo socda ku wajahan labadaasi deegaan oo xiligaan gacanta ugu jirta xoogaga ugu tunka weyn Islaamiyiinta ee Alshabaab Waxaa kale oo jirta in aagaga dagaalka la kala qaatay oo sidaan loo dagaal galin doono xoogaga hogaamiyaasha dagaalka ee taageersan dowlada Isaamiga Soomaliyeed Ciidamo daacad u ah Xildhibaan Qanyare oo taageersan Dowlada ayaa loo diyaariyey in ay weeraraan deeganada Dayniile,Gubta ,Bukaaraha iyo Wardhiigleey halka Cabdiqeybdiidna iyo Goobaale loo diyaariyey Tarbuunka Kaasabalbalaare ilaa Hurwaa Muuse Suudi iyo nuurdaqle ayaa kuwajahan dhanka Isbartiibada weyn ilaa Miisaanka dhuxusha waxaase xusid mudan in ay dowlada islaamiga ku dhawaaqday in dagaalada Muqdisho ku soo afjari doonto muddo 10casho gudahood. Hogaamiyayaal kooxeedyadan ayaa shaaca ka qaaday inaysan waxba ka qabin in shacabka soomaaliyeed ay isku xukumaan shareecada islaamka isla markaana uu baarlamaanka ansixiyey iyagana ay taageersan yihiin maadaama shacabku uu taageersana yahay ku dhaqanka shareecada islaamka isla markaana naftooda iyo maalkoodaba ay doonayaan maantay inay ilaahay dartiis u huraan si danbigoodii hore uu ugu badalo xasanaad maadaama in badan ay dagaal macno daro ka shaqeen jireen. Inkastoo shacabka Soomaaliyeed ay waqtigaan qaati ka joogaan dagaalada uu hor kacayo ururka alshabaab ayaa haddana la ogeen in hogaamiyayaashaan kooxaha ay ku guuleysan doonaan dagaalka ay abaabulayaan iyagoo waliba taageero ka helaya dhamaan madaxdii aasaasayaashii midowgii maxkamadaha islaamiga ee laga sameeyey gobolka banaadir dhamaadkii sagaashamaadkii iyo horaantii labada kun taasoo loogu talagalay inay ku kala badbaadaan shacabka gobolka banaadir oo nidaam daro iyo fowdo ay dhaxalsiisay in qofba qofka uu taag badan yahay uu dilo ama dhaco. Midowgii maxkamaha islaamka ayaa nabad kuso dabaalay gobolka Banaadir snadakii 2006 asagoo taageero xoog leh ka helay alshabaab iyo xoogaga Xasan Turki laakiinse hadda waxaa muuqata in midowga maxkamadaha islaamka iyo ururka alshabaab ay iskaga soo horjeedaan dagaalo ba'an oo ku saabsan fahamka diinta islaamka iyadoo ururka alshabaab uu shaaca ka qaaday inuusan marnaba aqoonsaneen wax culumi ah oo ku hadla afka soomaaliga marka laga reebo wiilasha hubeysan ee qoriga wata kuwaasoo ay ku tilmaameen inay yihiin culimadda saxda ah ee ay rumeysan yihiin iyo niman kale oo carab ah oo aan laga aqoonin caalamka islaamka kuwaasoo go'aamiya isla markaana baneeya dilka iyo nolosha qofka ka soo horjeeda mabaadiida alshabaab. Hadaba la arki doonee inay suurta gasho riyada ururka alshabaab ee ah inuu la wareego caasimada Soomaaliya isla markaana halkaas uga dhawaaqo dowlad ay isla leeyihiin dhamaan kooxaha islaamka ee adduunka ka jira isla markaana ay uga duulaan adduunka intiisa kale oo ay ka xoreeyaan gaalada uu ugu horeeyo mareykanka iyagoo horey u sheegay inay hadafkoodu ama yoolkoodu uu yahay Alaska iyo austareeliya iyo Yurub inay xoog ku qabsadaan mustaqbalka dhoow. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Hogaamiya kooxeedyadii shalay la nacay oo maanta loo hamuun qabo

Emperor, That is if the pseudo-religious warlords win. More reasons for the other factions to fight the religious pretenders to the death.

Now the pseudo-Islamist warlords have shown Somali people, in particular those of Mogadishu, that they are power-hungry and have zero consideration for the thousands of civilians that are massacred the old players in Mogadishu are becoming visible again. Let's see how the two warlord camps battle it out.