Yesterday when the same source (Allpuntland.com) was reporting that 10.000 TFG soldiers have completed their training in Ethiopia it did not impress us, why should this silly news impress us? LOL

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: quote:Originally posted by nuune: ^^^ How about those who sold Xaafuun iyo iskushuban You mean those who sold the land ?? ,, The Island off Northeastern Somalia was once sold by a Northeastern chief to Yemeni people.

^ Religious pretenders whether in real life or cyber world will go nowhere as long as people like me exist on this earth. Dictatorship will not be tolerated in Somalia.

NGONGE, Clan has lost value, for if CLAN WAS EVERYTHING we would not have extremist young men from all clans struggling to establish a brutal dictatorship in which they want to transform the whole of Somali society. If Mogadishu falls, prepare yourself because Mogadishu is the only city holding these religious extremists from knocking on the doors of Hargaisa/Burco and Bosaso/Garowe. Malika, The oppressive dictatorship of Barre came to a humiliating end, and I hope the religious extremists draw lessons for they will not succeed in establishing an oppressive dictatorship.

Qaar ka mid ah Idaacadaha Muqdisho oo u hogaansamay amarkii Xarakada Alshabaab ee ahaa magaca ay ugu yeeraan. Qaar ka mid ah Idaacadaha ka howl gala Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa saaka si wada jir ah ugu hogaansamay amarkii shalay Xarakada Alshabaab ku amartay Idaacadaha, kaas oo ahaa magaca ay ugu yeeraan, waxaana ay ka dalbadeen inay ugu yeeraan Xarakada Shabaab Al-Mujaahidiin. Idaacadaha Muqdisho ayaa si isku mid ah u meel mariyay dalabkaas, iyagoona ku dhawaaqaya magaca ay dalbadeen, ee ah Xarakada Shabaab Al-Mujaahidiin, waxaana tani ay ka dambeysay markii shalay uu si kulul u weeraray Afhayeenka Alshabaab, qaar ka mid ah Idaacadaha oo uu ku sheegay inay iibsan tahay. Dadka Muqdisho ku dhaqan ayaa saaka durba bilaabay hadal heynta arrintan iyo sida Idaacaduhu durba u meel mariyeen amarkii Alshabaab, waxaana saaka is bedel dhanka warar tabinta laga dareemayay Idaacadaha ugu afka dheer ee ka howl gala Magaalada Muqdisho, kuwaasoo si degenaan iyo feejignaan ku jirta ugu dhawaaqay magaca rasmiga ah ee Xarakada Alshabaab. Idaacadaha FM-yada ee sida gaarka ah loo leeyahay ee ka howl gala Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa maalmihii u dambeeyay ugu yeerayay Kooxda Alshabaab, magacyo kala duwan, sida Xoogaga Islaamiyiinta ee ka soo horjeeda Dowladda KMG iyo magacyo kale, taasoo ay u cuntami weyday mansab ahaan Kooxda Alshabaab oo ah kooxda ugu tunka weyn ee ka dagaalama Soomaaliya. Afhayeenka cusub ee Xarakada Alshabaab Sheekh Cali Dheere ayaa Warbaahinta ku eedeeyay inay iibsan tahay oo ay u adeegdo danaha waxa ay ugu yeeraan cadawga ilaahey, isagoona ka dalbaday hadii aanay ugu yeeri Karin magaca ay rabaan ay iska dhafaan inay war ka soo doontaan ama ay ka sheegaan. Warbaahinta Muqdisho ayaa hada wajaheysa taxadir ku aadan marxaladaha is bed bedelka badan ee ka taagan dalka, iyadoona Idaacaduhu ay noqdeen dhibanaha koowaad ee soo wajahda xaaladaha is jiid jiidka badan iyo loolanka u dhaxeeya Kooxaha iska soo horjeeda Siyaasada Soomaaliya.

Yesterday the religious pretenders lashed out against the Free Media in Mogadishu and Somalia in general and demanded from them that they call Alshabab by a fancy name they have chosen themselves. Today, many of the private owned free media in Mogadishu heeded that call and have sealed their future. Today you accept the demands of the religious pretenders and tommorow if they win you will accept every nonsense these religious pretenders want to sell to the Somali masses in a bid to mass indoctrinate the people. Free media will be transformed into a state-run mass-indoctrination/ propaganda machine. One who is not aware of the value of the freedom he/she enjoyes, is not worth to live in freedom. This dark day in which those active in the Free Media sector have shown their ignorance and utter oblivious of their own interest and dearest principles, namely: free press, and free speach, will not be forgotten.

Originally posted by Kashafa: ^^ For the sake of discussion, let's say you're right and I'm wrong. Let's say they banned sports purely because of religious/social reasons.(not agreeing with this depiction at all, just tryna move the discussion forward) So what ? Do you honestly believe this is a 'huge threat' ? Not being able to play soccer ? In a time of war ? You really think this 'infringes' on your Freedom ? Come on, abti. Out of all the immense challenges facing Umada Soomaliyeed, where would you rank "not being able to play soccer" Top 10 ? Do you think it's more important than the freedom to walk outside and not get raped ? What about the freedom to go to work and not get killed for a mobile phone worth 20 bucks ? What about the freedom of going to the mosque without getting snatched and sent to torture chambers ? Do any of those freedoms mean anything to you ? I can understand how banning sports may look petty or even i.diotic to some. But given where we are as a people and as a country, it's a non-issue. Kashafa, If these religious pretenders can ban sports for no credible reason while they are in a state of war and have more pressing issues to deal with what the phuck will these religious pretenders do when they have complete control over our country and people and have established their dictatorship faced with no real opposition?? They will not only ban simple things for id.iotic reasons but they will robb us systematically from every aspect of freedom and self-dignity. These religious pretenders will impose draconic laws upon the people and whoever opens his/her mouth will be thrown in jail and most probably be executed while declared a ''Kaafir''. We must never, and I mean NEVER, trust power in the hands of a few individiduals with their individual whims and ESPECIALLY not to I.DIOTS.

Kashafa, Nice attempt bro, but the facts are out there for everyone to see. The religious pretenders banned sports because in their wicked understanding of life they think that sports is a waste of your time and talent: In ay dayacantay Tacliintii Dhalinyarada. In ay jirto faragelin shisheeye oo caruurta maskaxdooda lagu qabsanayo iyadoo loo soo marayo ciyaaraha Isboortiga.In Cibaadadii lagu lahaa ay dayacantay sida Salaadaha Maqrib iyo Casir. Iyo qodobo kale. quote: AND READ THIS CAREFULLY: Madaxa Gudiga oo lagu magacaabo Sheekh Bishaar ayaa waxaa uu sheegay inay ciyaaraha Isboortiga mamnuuceen kaddib markii ay ******** in uu ku lumayo mustaqbalka dhalinyarada Soomaaliyeed , wuxuuna ammarka ay ciyaaraha ku mamnuuceen uu u soo daliishaday dhowr qodob oo kala ah: -------------------- So your little attempt of justifying the clapping down on basic freedoms under the cover of ''we are in war'' has no basis. They banned sports because they think that sport is waste of time, and energy, and more importantly: In ay jirto faragelin shisheeye oo caruurta maskaxdooda lagu qabsanayo iyadoo loo soo marayo ciyaaraha Isboortiga. Foreign powers want to brainwash Somali kids through sports LOOOOL And you propose to place Somali masses under a dictatorship of such I.diots?

Kashafa, What about trading our freedom for security under an Alshabab/Xisbi Islam dictatorship in which people can not even do sport let alone enjoy other freedoms? Do you also reject that and support the view of: Security and Liberty go hand in hand. Somali masses deserve both security and liberty.

''markii uu xalay Golaha Ammaanka ee Qaramada Midoobey ka qaaday Cunaqabateyntii Hubka ee saarneyd.'' I have searched for other reports on google but haven't come across any other news source reporting it. Is jowhar.com incorrect in this news report? Probably.

Dowladda KMG oo isu diyaarineysa Hub ay ka soo iibsato dalal dhowr ah, kadib markii laga qaaday Cunaqabateyntii Hubka. Dowladda KMG ah ee Soomaaliya ayaa isu diyaarineysa Hub iyo Saanado Milateri ay ka soo iibsato dalal dhowr ah, kadib markii uu xalay Golaha Ammaanka ee Qaramada Midoobey ka qaaday Cunaqabateyntii Hubka ee saarneyd. Dowladda Federaalka ayaa xilligan dooneysa inay isku dubarido qeybaha kala duwan ee Ciidamada qalabksa sida, iyadoo dooneysa inay dhisto Ciidamadii Qaranka soomaaliyed. Warar ku dhow dhow Taliska Dowladda ayaa sheegaya in maalmaha soo socda Ciidamo ka tirsan Dowladda tababar la siin doono, isla markaana la qalabeyn doono. Sidoo kale Dowladda Federaalka oo hada aas aastay dhismaha Ciidamada Badda, kadib markii ay ku dhawaaqday Taliyaha Ciidamada Badda oo loo magacaabay Faarax Qarre ayaa la sheegayaa in qalabka ay soo iibsan doonto ay qeyb ka tahay saanada milateri ee Ciidamada Badda. Ku xigeenka Wakiilka Qaramada Midoobey ee Dowlada KMG ee Soomaaliya Ciid Beddel oo warbaahinta la hadlay ayaa sheegay in golaha Amaanka Qaramada Midoobey ay Dowladda KMG ka qaaday xayiraadii dhinaca Hubka ahaa ee la saaray Sanadkii 1992-dii. Ciid Beddel waxa uu xusay in ujeedka loogu ogolaaday Dowlada KMG in ay hub keensato ay tahay, xili ay dagaalo kula jirto Xoogaga Mucaaradka, isla markaana ay lama huraan tahay in dowlada hesho Agab milatari dhamaystiran. Hooyga wararka Somaliyed www.Jowhar.com Jowharcom@hotmail.co m Jowharcom@gmail.com

Two quotes about security and freedom: “There is only one security, and when you've lost that security, you've lost everything you've got. And that is the security of confidence in yourself; to be, to create, to make any position you want to make for yourself. And when you lose that confidence, you've lost the only security you can have. ... Self-confidence is self-determinism. One's belief in one's ability to determine his own course. As long as one has that, he's got the universe in his pocket. And when he hasn't got that, not all the pearls in China nor all the grain and corn in Iowa can give him security, because that's the only security there is.” “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” How are the above two quotes relevant to this discussion? How is the creation of the Civil Security Force linked to self-confidence and self-determinism? More importantly should the Somali masses trade libertiy for security? Should they accept a pseudo-Islamist dictatorship in order to live in security/peace or can they have both security and liberty?

Funny developement, but was to be expected.

MMA, What was the position of Gen.Gabeyr (or was he Colonel?)? Why was he on the below pic:

Baarlamaanka maamul goboleedka Puntland oo maanta dood kulul oo faraha la isla tagay ka yeesha dastuur uu maamulkaasi yeesho. Shabelle: BOOSAASO Baarlamaanka maamul goboleedka Puntland ayaa maanta dood kulul oo faraha la isla tagay ka yeesha dastuur uu maamulkaasi yeesho. Doodani kulul ee baarlamaanka Puntland dhex martay ayaa waxaa ay ka danbeeysay kadib markii maanta loo qeybiyay dastuurka cusub ee uu yaleelanayo maamul goboleedkaasi. Dastuurkani ayaa waxaa uu noqonayaa mid maamulkaasi ka dhigaya hab nidaam Axsaabi ah iyadoo laga bixi doono habka 66-da xubnood ee baarlamaanka ay soo doortaan madaxda dowlada. Arintani oo aheyd mid mudo socotay isla markaana ay ansxiyeen golaha wasiirada Puntaland ayaa maanta la hor dhigay golaha baarlamaanka ee maamulkaasi. Kadib markii maanta loo qeybiyay xildhibaanada Baarlamaanka maamul goboleedka Puntland dastuurka oo ay ku arkeen qodobo aysan ku xusneeyn Puntland oo ay ku qornaayeen gobolka W/bari ayaa waxaa ay ka keeneen dood badan taasi oo dooda inta badan ay keeneen xubnaha baarlamaanka ee ka soo jeeda gobolada Sol iyo Sanaag. Dood dheer oo markii danbe isku badashay gacan ka hadla ayaa waxaa ay xildhibaanada qaarkood bilaabeen in ay isaga baxaan madasha uu shirkaasi ka socday. Arinta muranka dhalisaya ayaa waxaa ay timid kadib markii dastuurka lagu soo dari waayay gobolada Sol iyo Sanaag oo ay isku heystaan maamulada Somaliland iyo Puntland taasi oo ka dhigeysa in laga saaray maamulka Puntaland isla markanaa ka careysiisay xildhibaanada ka soo jeeda goboladaasi. Doodani ayaa waxaa ay jabineysaa hadii ay sidan ku sii socoto xeerkii la dajiyay markii dhidibada loo taagay maamul goboleedka Puntland.

Three observations from that newsreport (Allpuntland): 1) In the introduction of the constitution it was written that the regional government of Puntland is created by the Northeastern society (direct translation from the below quotation) in ay dowladda Puntland ay dhisteen Bulshada gobalada Waqooyi Bari ee Puntland. 2) The MP´s from Sool, Sanaag and Cayn opposed the formulation and disagreed with the mentioning of Northeastern society (bulshada gobolada Waqooyi Bari) Qoraalkaasi waxaa saaka ka carooday Mudanayaasha baarlamaanka ee ka soo jeeda gobalada Sool, Sanaag & Cayn , 3) Many MP´s disagreed with the plans in the constitution to have the known nation-state characteristics: own flag and national anthem, and argued that Puntland is part of Somalia and does not need such things. qodobka ka hadlaya Astaamaha dowlad gobaleedka Puntland, waxa ayna sheegeen in dowlad gobaleedka Puntland ay ka tirsan tahay dowlad Soomaaliyeed, isla markaasna aysan munaasib aheyn in calan iyo hees gaar ah ay qaateen ama soo saartaan. -------- Can we say that the Northeastern region is preparing the groundwork for a possible secessionist road when the Islamists knock on its doors? Discuss gentlemen.

Garowe: Xildhibaano ka tirsan baarlamaanka Puntland oo ka hadlay Dastuurkii maanta la horgeeyey...Warbixin kooban.... 26. maj 2009 Garowe(AllPuntland)- Xildhibaano ka tirsan baarlamaanka Puntland ayaa ka hadlay Dastuurkii maanta la horgeeyey Mudanayaasha baarlamaanka Puntland, waxaana ay ka sheekeeyeen Waxyaabihii ay ku soo arkeen Dastuurka cusub ee dowlad gobaleedka Soomaaliyeed ee Puntland. Mudanayaasha baarlamaanka oo lahadlay AllPuntland ayaa sheegay in dastuurkan uu yahay mid wanaagsan oo ay waqti badan ku lumiyeen xukuumadihii iskaga dambeeyey dowlad gobaleedka Soomaaliyeed ee Puntland, waxa ayse soo qaadeen dhaliilo uuleeyahay oo ku aadan qodobada Dastuurkan. Saxaafada oo loo diiday in ay aragto Nuqulada Dastuurka ama lugu koobay mudanayaasha baarlamaanka Puntland ayaa xildhibaanada qaarkood waxa ay saaka xarunta gudaha baarlamaanka kaga doodeen ama ka soo jeediyeen waxyaabaha uu ku qaldan yahay, warqada ama hordhac kooban oo laga bixiyey Dastuurka luguna lifaaqay dastuurka ayaa lugu dhigay in ay dowladda Puntland ay dhisteen Bulshada gobalada Waqooyi Bari ee Puntland. Qoraalkaasi waxaa saaka ka carooday Mudanayaasha baarlamaanka ee ka soo jeeda gobalada Sool, Sanaag & Cayn, waxa ayna sheegeen in ay ufahmeen in ay kalmadaasi la mid tahay in ay dhisteen dowlad gobaleedka Puntland gobaladaasi oo kaliya , waxaase faahfaahin isku dayay in ay ka bixiyaan kalmadaasi xubno ka tirsanaa Xukuumada Puntland, inkastoo aysan qancin Mudanayaal aad uga carooday arintan. Xildhibaanada baarlamaanka Puntland ayaa dastuurkan qodobadiisa qaarkood waxa ay ku tilmaameen kuwa aan wanaagsaneyn, gaar ahaana qodobka ka hadlaya Astaamaha dowlad gobaleedka Puntland, waxa ayna sheegeen in dowlad gobaleedka Puntland ay ka tirsan tahay dowlad Soomaaliyeed, isla markaasna aysan munaasib aheyn in calan iyo hees gaar ah ay qaateen ama soo saartaan. Falanqeyn dheer ayaa lafilayaa in ay beri ka dib Mudanayaasha baarlamaanku ka yeeshaan dastuurka cusub ee Puntland, waxaana hadii la ansixiyo noqonayaa dastuurkii labaad oo ay yeelato Puntland tan iyo markii la dhisay sannadkii 1998-dii, waxaana dastuurkii ugu horeeyey la meelmariyey 2001-dii, xiligaasi oo xilka Madaxweyne-nimo hayay Col. C/laahi Yuusuf Axmed, oo ay yaraayeen Wasiiradiisu. Dadka la socda Siyaasada Puntland ayaa sheegaya in hadii ay Xildhibaanadu ogolaadaan meelmarinta Dastuurka ay noqon doonto mid fariin udirta golaha Xukuumada oo aan wali la helin codka Kalsoonida ee Mudanayaasha golaha Wakiilada, hadii aan la meelmarin ama la diido in la Ansixiyo oo dib loo celiyo waxa ay cashar lama ilaawaan ah unoqon doontaa iyo shaqo hor leh Xukuumada Madaxweyne Faroole oo labadii todobaad ee ugu dambeysay waqti dheeri ah ku bixisay in Dastuurkaas mar ka gudbo oo gaara Aqalka aan ka fogeyn aqalka Madaxtooyada oo ah meesha ay ku kulmaan Golaha Wasiirada. Wasiirada Puntland ayaa wadnaha farta ku haya, waxaana dhagahooda soo gaareysa hadalada uga imaanaya Xildhibaanada baarlamaanka ee ku aadan sida ay ku heli lahaayeen codka Kalsoonida, waxaana xasuus mudan in dhawaan markii la ansixinayay Miisaaniyada Puntland ay golaha Wakiiladu qaar ka mid ah ku eedaynayaan Madaxweyne Faroole in uu dowlad la baxday fara badan soo dhisay, ayna mushaaraad badan la dageen oo Miisaaniyada badankeedu aysan soo dhaafeyn golaha Xukuumada. Golaha Xukuumadu waxa ay gaarayaan 49 xubnood, marka laga reebo Madaxweynaha & Kuxigeenkiisa oo labaduba ah Hogaamiyaasha deegaanada Ismaamulka Puntland, waxaana dhawaan ay Wasiirada 49-ka ah dhowrayaan in ay helaan codka Kalsoonida ee ay ku wadi lahaayeen shaqada dowladda. F. C. Geylan AllPuntland

Good topic Sayid'Somal, it is indeed better to discuss with eachother on how to solve problems instead of arguing about daily political events. Now, tell us brother what kind of therapy should we use and can you lead the therapy session? I prefer this one: Let’s apply Solution Focused brief therapy on the Somali politics: by the way Solution Focused therapy is a type of talking therapy that is based upon social constructionist philosophy. It focuses on what clients want to achieve through therapy rather than on the problem(s) that made them to seek help. The approach does not focus on the past, but instead, focuses on the present and future. How does this work? The therapist/counselor uses respectful curiosity to invite the client to envision their preferred future and then therapist and client start attending to any moves towards it whether these are small increments or large changes. To support this, questions are asked about the client’s story, strengths and resources, and about exceptions to the problem. Solution focused work can be seen as a way of working that focuses exclusively or predominantly at two things. 1) Supporting people to explore their preferred futures. 2) Exploring when, where, with whom and how pieces of that preferred future are already happening. While this is often done using a social constructionist perspective the approach is practical and can be achieved with no specific theoretical framework beyond the intention to keep as close as possible to these two things.

Sound analysis Me, However, do we want to balance out Ethiopia by becoming more dependent on Eritrea or by ''loyally'' accepting every decision the West takes on how Somalia should be governed or should look like? We all know that the West is the higher power in the hierarchy when it comes to deciding what happens in the Horn, and Ethiopia is its pitbull doing the dirty job in Somalia whenever the West suspects that we have ´refused´to heed their demands (2006 ICU and ensuing sponsored Ethiopian invasion/occupation) . We need to find a way to defeat not only Ethiopia, but every foreign power that has ill intentions towards our country and its long-term development. Since Ethiopia is the most direct and visible threat facing Somalis in the Horn we need to focus on solving the Ethiopian question first. How to adress the Ethiopian menace? The answer is simple, yet to translate it into practice and witness its results needs patience and dedication. Defeating Ethiopia means defeating those self-seeking socalled ''brothers'' amongst us: political and religious pretenders. More importantly, we have to change the current environment that nurtures and supports those self-seeking socalled leaders. The current environment of division, animosity, mistrust, insecurity, lawlesness, and disorganization needs to be transformed in order to stop the high ´´birth rate´´ of the calooshood-u shaqeystayaal (opportunism) and political/religious pretenders who all seem to take advantage of and prosper in the current environment that exists in Somalia. We need to direct our energies into solving the Somali problem while been less focused on a game of ''balancing out'' since that turns our country into a battle ground for foreign powers and ourselves into a weak nation that for its very existence and survival depends on foreign powers (Eritrea & foreign Jihadi´s) balancing out yet other foreign powers (Ethiopia $ the West). We have already religious pretenders doing the bidding for Alqaida and foreign Jihadi organizations on one side, while we have religious pretenders doing the bidding for the West on the other side. Should we accept this reality and chose between the two religious pretenders or denounce both camps and articulate the correct road for Somalia? Eventually, all depends on how we answer that question. Accepting the current situation and socalled ´´leaders´´ regardless of the side they are on the political spectrum in Somalia means eventually: accepting how things are and thus accepting the interference of Ethiopia, Eritrea, the West and whoever has an interest in taking a piece of the Somali pie.

R-R, Great pictures! Thanks for sharing it with us. Ismahan, Although we can understand the pictures of aabayashaasha gobonnimadeena (SYL), we fail to see the relevance of the son of Sayyid Muhamed Abdulle Hassan. At least adjust the size of the pic since the thread has been expanded horizontally by that large pic.

Still obssesed with Sh.Shariif? Get over your bitterness sxb, its not healthy.

The dictatorship signs are already visible: banning of sports. We should not support the advancement of such a dictatorial agenda of Alshabab.

Me, The occurance of a political faction subduing all other contenders in Somalia and establishing itself as the paramount force with no credible opposition is rather unrealistic. Our recent 18 years long Civil War and our centuries-old history have proven one thing: Somali groups are too segmented and independent-minded for one political faction to establish complete hegemony in the Somali lands of the Horn. Even if we look at the current Islamist faction we can already see the immense difficulties it encounters from various corners in establishing complete control over the whole country. It already encounters severe opposition in Mogadishu, Middle Shabelle, Hiiraan, Central regions let alone the opposition it would encounter in peaceful and organized regions like those in Northwestern and Northeastern Somalia. It is now too early to tell whether the Islamist faction will succeed in establishing a complete hegemony in Somalia, but if we go by your reasoning we can safely say that: A political faction that subdues all other opponents has no incentive to seek legitimacy from the people it needs to govern and will opt for a dictatorship in which the ruling clique forces its will upon society. The likelihood of the above situation materializing in Somalia should be enough reason to oppose any political faction that is close in establishing such a dictatorship, for we all know, through our experience with the oppressive dictatorship of Barre, the immense cost of a dictatorship. Moreover, the prospect of a more oppressive dictatorship than the one we have already witnessed during the pseudo scientific socialism 21-year rule of the military regime, should be enough to discard your invitation to board on the ‘Alshabab-Xisbi Islam bus' with a pseudo-Islamist dictatorship as its final destination. Before proceeding to answering your 2 questions I want to say a few things about your analysis of the third way. Lets assume we do that and an alternative way is found, for convenience sake lets call this the third way. In the current situation of anarchy in order for this third way to be a viable alternative it has to become a reality on the ground. And for this to happen the third way has to either; -Conquer its own territory, -Find a host that's accommodating, -Or it has to be an idea that lives among a certain section of the population (i.e. the intelligentsia, the civil societies, the youth etc.). The mistake you make here is assuming that the 'third way' will be like the existing political factions with just a little twist or a different flavour as is the case with the Islamist faction. What you fail to understand is that not only an alternative ideology and vision for Somalia has to be devised but more importantly, the alternative should differentiate itself from the current political factions in every conceivable aspect. This means a completely different way of organization and the application of a new strategy complete with its new tactics. In your analysis of the third way you have limited yourself to three familiar strategies in which the third way can become a reality on the ground. Not surprisingly all the three strategies have been and still are used by the various Somali political factions in translating their ideology into practice. Three strategies: -Conquer its own territory: used by the Clannist jabhado and today by the Islamist factions. -Find a host that's accommodating:used by clannist and today by Islamist factions -Or it has to be an idea that lives among a certain section of the population (i.e. the intelligentsia, the civil societies, the youth etc.): The Somaliland phenomenon which exists in the minds and hearts of a certain section of the population. The same for Puntland. One can not talk about a third way while using the same modus operandi as the already existing political factions and expect to become different and succesfull than the existing political factions. A third way should be complete with its alternative ideology and modus operandi (strategy & tactics). We can discuss that idea another time. Now, to return to your 2 questions of: Finally there are two questions we can ask ourselves. 1. Can we go from our current state of anarchy to a democracy or do we first have to go through an authoritarian stage? 2. Which party is today in the best position to establish this authoritarian regime? And how will this affect the third way? One thing is clear: we cannot go from the current state of anarchy abruptly to a fucntioning democratic and modern Somali state. Thus, what we all can agree on is that there needs to be some sort of a transitional period in which the visible vices of the anarchy are brought back while the groundwork for the restoration of the Somali state is laid down. The relevant question which we need to answer is: - What kind of transitional period do we want in order to pave the way for the creation of a strong, independent, prosperous nation-state with strong democratic insitutions that guarantees basic freedoms to its citizens. I would answer that question with: None of the TFG bus and Alshabab-Xisbi Islam bus but the continuation of the current slow transformation going on Somalia. I believe that the current phase of anarchy offers great opportunities to experiment with different modes of governance and organization which eventually brings us closer to our goal. With the TFG bus our country becomes heavily dependend and controled by foreign powers as we lose control over our own fate while the Alshabab-Xisbi Islam bus forces the whole Somali society to go underground out of fear for the oppressive dictatorship. On a last note, The fact that the two of us can engage in an open debate about how the future of Somalia should look like and how to realize that vision is only possible because of the high living standard and the basic freedoms which we enjoy in the countries we currently live. Under the dictatorship which you propose, we would not develop a critical and independent mind as the whole curriculum and free media would be controled by the dictatorial regime and in the case that we develop a healthy, critical and independent mind by luck we would be hunted down and locked up, if not executed, the moment we engaged in a open debate about state affaires and change. That sad reality of dictatorship eventually leds to the fact that the whole society is deprived of independent men who can come up with new ideas and ways, which as we all know is the main ingredient to move a society forward.