Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: Not worth mentioning summons up the fact that they're excluded from your assumptions of a M Society. Your arguments of a M society have always been portrayed from the stand point of a x specific clan. As when you metioning the warlords of M society and other arguments dont include as those founders of Xamar didnt have any warlords nor anyone to protect them. And when you often denie the incovinient truth shown to by others you hit back with the clan cuqdad card and you know the rest. And we both know that the illusional cuqdad would be directed to those whom you share kinship and that excludes those who descent from the founders of those coastal cities. But I take that you've backtracked on the notion of recycled 'myths' as it only offends depply to those people whom those act where directed to and all Somalis in general If you have nothing to prove than dont talk bro, because I have noticed how your tribalist mind has been twisting and turning to intrepret the notion of Mogadishu society along clannist lines. FYI Mogadishu society: the proffesionals, the students, the religious leaders, the traditional leaders, civil society organizations, the media, the youth, business community etc etc. In short: whoever lives in that city is part of its society one way or the other. Only a sick clan-infested mind would exclude groups and turn the whole notion as ''clan X''. Waranle, You are a double standarist, simply because you act holy but accuse people of all crazy things just because in your mind they fit into a particular ''category''or a group. Now, I challenge you aswell to produce any evidence for your wild accusations. You have accused me of supporting the warlords, show me evidence. You have accused me of supporting the foreign-created regime, show me evidence. FYI: Just because someone opposes the coalition of extremists doesn't mean he supports the other side. Your peanut-sized brain cannot comprehend the fact that people can oppose the same thing yet while still been separate and opposed to each other aswell. PS: As for your recycled myths I rest my case, you can repeat as much as you like but the simple truth is that Indha adde was a warlord like other warlords and that enslavement only exists in your imagination.

Originally posted by wacdaraha_aduunka: the founders of Muqdishu who you always exclude from the M society as you call it is just disgusting. The people who founded that city and many other coastal cities are not all 'cleansed' as some M Society folks would wish and many live till this day to recall what happened Wacdaraha_aduunka, I challenge you to bring forth any evidence that can slightly support that gross allegation thrown at my character and notion of Mogadishu society. Now, dont back down and show us evidence for that allegation. If you fail to substantiate your allegations, than apologize. As for Waranle, Save us your hypocricy and double standards.

''Your beloved..'' As I said, we can all see the hints of cuqdad and clannism in your utterings. Mogadishu is to me what it is to you: we are both born in that city and left it during the civil war like probably 70-80% of SOL members. So why is ''your beloved'' instead of ''our beloved city''?

^^ Somalia still exists, unless ofcourse you mean the previous state that collapsed in 1991. As for Waxbo, it is near Ceel Buur which is in central Galgaduud. PS: Duke, that ''strip of land'' is what holds the coalition of extremists from overruning Northern Somalia.

^^ Did I accuse them of tribalism or warlordism? You need to read carefully before commenting. As for the cuqdad thing, I have noticed it several times. My advice to you: When you condemn Somali warlords, dont limit yourself to one particular Somali clan.

Waranle, Either bring forth evidence to substantiate your allegations or admit that your attempt of recylcing myths is busted. You can accuse Indha Adde of been a warlord or been an occupier of other groups deegaans, but dont add sugar to the facts and spread myths of ´´he enslaved Somali people´´. We live in 2009 for god sakes! PS: I oppose warlords regardless of their ideology, but more so the supporters of them. And you are one of those supporters.

Waranle, You have forgotten the other pseudo-religious warlords: Sh.Aweys Sh.Mansuur Sh.Turki Sh.Raage Sh.Alzeylaci All religious pretenders. On a serious note: You should seek help for your cuqdad against the main groups of Mogadishu, because so far you have only targetted warlords from that city while conveniently overlooking the other Somali warlords. Either adress all warlords regardless of clan in order to show that you are genuine or just openly admit that your intention is to target a particular group.

Waranle, You have badmouthed Sh.Umal and labelled men who have the utmost respect of true muslims as ´´calooshood-ushaqey stayaal´´ which can mean two things: - You are ignorant, hence your disrespect of the educated Islamic scholars. Or - You are a calool-ushaqeyste who will pay respect to the Culamo when they agree with you and badmouth them when they disagree with you.

You have talked to witnesses and done an investigation? Care to publish your ´´investigation´´? And coffee-talk rumors do not qualify as ´´investigation´´. PS: I oppose warlords, and also your attempt of recycling myths.

If you have relatives in Xamar or care for those innocent people in Xamar, then you will realise that there is no safe area. No safe area..Because of who is the question? Didn´t the coalition of extremists launched their war for political power when Dahir Aweys returned from 2 years peaceful holiday in Asmara? People may disagree with the foreign-created regime and even oppose it but to launch a brutal war in a city that has witnessed 2 years of brutal Ethiopian occupation is not only madness but a criminal act that is far more desastrous than the effects of the foreign-created regime. The coalition of extremists are nothing but power-hungry pseudo-religious warlords who would walk on dead bodies to gain political power.

Waranle, Lying is Haram, did you know that? Indha Adde was no better than Hiiraale for example. Both occupied towns and regions against the will of the people. But do not recycle myths of ´´sold water, enslaved people´´ and other BS some people spread.

And Sh.Waranle, Have you completed years of Islamic study? Have you earned your credentials to even be considered as Islamic Scholar? Dont badmouth those who have the credentials and have earned their place within the Culama. The only calooshood u shaqeeysteyaal are the political and religious pretenders. Yesterday we had the clannist warlords fighting for political power and disrespecting the legitimate traditional clan leaders, i.e the ugaas, suldaan, nabadoon etc of a given clan. Today we have religious pretenders who are fighting for political powerr and want to disrespect the Islamic scholars just because those Culamo have exposed their hypocricy? If the religious pretenders are fighting for Islamic Law, let us bring the most knowledgable men in that field and let them decide whether the war is Jihad and just or just Fitna for personal gains. You cannot propagate for Islamic Law, yet denounce the verdict of those knowledable in that field. Thats called hypocricy.

Originally posted by Fu-Fu: Even if Sharif resigns, AMISOM leaves, and Colonel Aweys becomes the president of Somalia, Alshabab will continue their terror against the Somali people. Why? Because Alshabab don't want to see stable peaceful Somalia. Because if Somalia becomes stable peaceful country with law and order, the foreign fugitives in Alshabab milita will be exposed and will have no place to hide. They will have to find another hopless chaotic to hide and the only hopless chaotic nation in this world is Somalia and is populated with so many naive people, Alshabab's foreign fugitives will not let go Somalia. The extremists are part of the problem and Ethiopia can only be countered when we solve the problem. The day we acknowledge the problem and find the appropriate solution to it is the day the sovereignty of Somalia will return and foreign predators can be dealt with.

So far, every Islamic scholar whether the Somali Culama or the International Culama have denounced the war waged by the religious pretenders and labelled it as Fitna that is far from Islamic. Alshabab and Xisbi Islam both try desperately to masquerade their campaign to attain political power as an Islamic struggle and a just war (Jihad). Ironically not 1 single Islamic scholar has validated their claim and surprisingly all Culama whether in Somalia or outside it have disagreed with their fitna. The question we need to answer is: - Are all the Culama who are known to be experts in Islamic law and knowledge wrong? Or - Are the religious pretenders wrong and has their propaganda been busted? Sh.Umal is the latest to expose the power-hungry thugs who masquarade as ''Wadaado'' and has labelled their war for political power and wordly fortune as . As every Islamic scholar said: Muslim brothers need to talk to each other and solve their internal disagreements before the Kufaar takes advantage of it.

The inconvenient truth is that as long as Somali factions wage war upon themselves the Ethiopians will come as they please and take advantage of our disunity and weakness. And the only way to come out of the current mess is to save the nation from the destructive grip of the political and religious pretenders.

Originally posted by General Duke: IndaCade is like Tona Monta from Scarface but without the balls and the honour. You mean Tony Montana?

As for Ayoub, The Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamacah fighters in Gobolade dhexe are composed of Somali men from gobolade dhexe who have the support of the clans in Gobolade dhexe and thus get their weapons from those communities. The ignorance of Northern Somalis in the affaires of the rest of Somalia is baffling. Did you thought that the Somali groups in Central Somalia had no weapons all those years? Those clans were the most heavily armed groups since they brought most heavy weapons from SOmalia's National Army to those regions. Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaca now mobilizes the people and their resources (weapons, money and moral support) from gobolade dhexe to fight the bad copy of taliban.

There is a third group: Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaca with a nomadic fierce culture. These fierce Mujaahideenta Soomaaliyeed aka AhlU Sunnah Wal Jamaca in Gobolade dhexe said this about the foreign-created regime and the peaceful Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaca: -------------------- -------------------- ---- Shariif Sh. Axmed oo la Kulmay Asxaabtiisa Aala-Sheykh isagoo ku Maaweelinaya inay Yihiin Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca Kulanka ka dhacay madaxtooyada ayaa waxaa ka soo qeyb galay rag caan ah oo dhammaantood ka tirsan ururka Tajammuca ama Aala-sheekh ee Shariifku xubin ka yahay. Ragga ka muuqday kulankii maanta waxaa ka mid ahaa Cali Xaaji Yusuf, Shariif Sh. Muxyiddiin Celi, Soomow iyo rag kale oo ay xulafo yihiin. Waxaad ku xasuusataan raggaan muddadii dagaalada Khawaarijta iyo culumadu socdeen waxay shirar joogta ah la qaadan jireen Khawaarijta iyagoo had iyo goorna saxaafadda ********-warreyda mariya hadalo gef ku ah culumada oo kuna dhiirran jiray inay ugu yeeraan ******** iyo warlords. Afhayeenka Khawaarijta iyo afhayeenka Aala-sheekh, Soomoow ayaa si wada jira u sii deyn jiray war saxaafadeed halka Cali Xaaji Yusuf, Shariif Sh. Muxyiddiin iyo Ina Cali Xadena ayba qeyb weyn ka ahaayeen la dagaalanka culumada Ahlu Sunna ee difaaca ugu jirtay caqiidada saxdaa ee islaamka. Raggaan oo wax badan isku mashquuliyey inay ku qeyb qaataan magaca Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca ayaad mooddaa in damacaasi halkii ugu sarreysay uu marayo maanta. Haddaba caqabadda ugu weyn ee hortaalla raggaan xoogsanaya ayaa ah in magacu yahay mabda' ku salaysan caqiida diini ah ee uusan ruux walbaa iska labisan karin. Dardar cusub ayaa laga dareemayaa dhanka dowladda maalmahaan oo ka horjeedda culumada Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca. Waxaana tii ugu dambeysay ay ahayd markii shalay ********ta dowladdu si bareere ah ugu duushay masjid caan ku ahaa culumada Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca, halkaasna ay xasuuq iyo dil aan loo meel dayin ka smaeeyeen. Waxaan Shariifka xasuusinaynaa, in xaqu uu aakhirka qaalib noqon doono oo shilimada aad ka soo qaadatay Amerika iyo Yurub aysan meelna ku geyneyn ee ilaahay u laabo oo dagaalka u burburka aad culumada ku hayso jooji. Xafiiska Wararka ee Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca

Somali displacement grows rapidly as fighting rages This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Ron Redmond – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at the press briefing, on 5 June 2009, at the Palais des Nations in Geneva. The number of Somalis forced from their homes in Mogadishu has now topped 96,000 since the start of fighting between government forces and armed opposition groups on May 8. Out of this latest total of displaced, an estimated 35,000 are still in the city, looking for shelter in more secure areas because they have no means to leave. Some 26,000 have managed to flee to makeshift sites in the so-called Afgooye corridor about 30 kms south-east of Mogadishu, joining 400,000 internally displaced people (IDPs) already sheltering there. The remaining 35,000 have fled to other parts of Somalia. Some of them are also making their way towards neighbouring countries. According to UNHCR's local partners in Somalia, some 2,000 people have indicated that they plan to cross the border into Kenya. More than a thousand said they are ready to risk their lives and make the perilous journey with smugglers across the Gulf of Aden to Yemen. Some 600 people told our local partners they were heading towards Ethiopia. In neighbouring Kenya, the number of new arrivals from Somalia spiked from an average of 100 a day to nearly 200 over the past week. Since the beginning of the year, almost 32,000 people have crossed into Kenya, bringing the total number of Somali refugees in the country to more than 297,000. We continue to rush aid to the displaced in Somalia. UNHCR's local partners have just completed the first phase of an aid distribution south of Mogadishu. Deliveries of UNHCR aid items began on Tuesday 26 May and 12,600 people received plastic sheeting, sleeping mats, kitchen sets, blankets, jerry cans and sanitary pads in Kah Shiqal area of southern Mogadishu. The next phase of aid distribution was scheduled to start earlier this week in the vicinity of a location called Kilometer 13, on the south-eastern outskirts of the Somali capital. During this phase we had hoped to provide humanitarian assistance to almost 30,000 people but the distribution was halted due to fighting between opposition groups and government forces for the control of the main road from Mogadishu to the Afgooye district. UNHCR is leading a task force to coordinate the response and interventions of all humanitarian actors in this new emergency. Story date: 5 June 2009 UNHCR Briefing Notes

Qaramada Midoobay oo sheegtay in Dad ku dhow 100 Kun oo ruux ay ku barakaceen Dagaallada Muqdisho ka socda Sabti, June 06, 2009(HOL): Qaramada Midoobay ayaa sheegtay in 96 kun oo Soomaali ah ay ka barkaceen guryahooda kaddib dagaallo bil ka socday magaalada Muqdisho, kuwaasi oo u dhaxeeya Ciidamada Dowladda Soomaaliya iyo xoogag hubeysan oo ka soo horjeeda. Tiradaas waxay sheegtay Qaramada Midoobay in ay sii kordhisay in ka badan Hal Milyan oo ruux oo gudaha Soomaaliya ku barakacay tan iyo markii ay Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka soo galeen Soomaaliya. Qaramada Midoobay waxay sheegtay in dad gaaraya 3 Milyan oo ruux ay u baahan yihiin raashin mucaawino ah iyadoo xustay in dad gaaraya 35 kun oo ruux oo weli gudaha Muqdisho ku suganna ay u baahan yihiin gurmad loo fidiyo. Hay’adda UNHCR oo Qaxootiga u qaabilsan Qaramada Midoobay oo soo xiganeysay Hay’ado Soomaali ah waxay sheegtay in dad gaaraya 2000 oo ruux ay qorsheynayaan in ay gudaha u galaan Kenya, halka kumanaan kalena ay u tahriibeen dhinaca gacanka cadmeed. Halka 600 oo ruux oo kalena ay u jiheysteen dhinaca Dalka Ethiopia. Dhanka kalena, Hay’adda UNHCR waxay sheegtay in xerooyinkeeda ku yaalla Dhadhaab ay buux-dhaafeen. Madaxa Xerada UNHCR ee Dhadhaab oo lagu magacaabo Anne Cambell ayaa sheegtay in xeradaas ay hadda ku nool yihiin 270,000 oo ruux, waxayna intaas ku dartay in 96% ay qaxootigaas yihiin kuwo badankood ka yimid Soomaaliya, inkastoo ay xustay in ay jiraan tiro qaxooti ah oo ka yimid dalalka Sudan iyo Ethiopia.

Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys iyo saraakiil ka tirsan ururka Xisbul Islaam oo gaaray deegaanka Wabxo ee gobolka G/gaduud Guddoomiyaha ururka Xisbul Islaam Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aways oo ay la socdaan saraakiil ka tirsan xisbigaasi ayaa lagu soo warramayaa inuu gaaray deegaanka Wabxo ee ka tirsan degmada Ceelbuur ee gobolka Galgaduud oo ay shalay ka dhaceen dagaallo aad u culus oo ay xoogagga Iskaashanaya ee Xisbul Islaam iyo Al-shabaab gacanta ku haynta deegaankaasi ugala wareegeen dhaq-dhaqaaqa hubeysan ee Ahlu Sunna wal-jameeca. Sheekh Xasan Daahir ayaa lagu soo warramayaa inuu xalay kulamo la qaatay saraakiisha ciidamada taabacsan xisbigiisa iyo kuwa xarakada Mujaahidiinta Al-shabaab ee shalay dagaalka ka qayb galay, kulankaasoo aan xogta rasmi ah laga haynin haddana waxaa loo badinayaa inay ka wada hadleen sidii ay ay labada cudud isaga kaashan lahaayeen weerar la sheegay in Sheekh Xasan Daahir uu ku damacsan yahay inuu ku qaado degmooyin ka tirsan gobolka Galgaduud. Wararka laga helayo degmadaasi ayaa sheegaya in Sheekh Xasan Daahir oo wata tiro gaadiidka dagaalka ah uu maalmo kooban ku sugnaan doono deegaanka Wabxo ka hor inta uusan uga sii gudbin degmooyin kale oo ka tirsan ee gobolka Galgaduud, inkastoo aan ilaa hadda la sheegin karin sida ay ugu suurto geli karto inuu dagaal ama xeeladba ugu gaaro degmada Guriceel oo ay haatan gacanta ku hayaan dhaq-dhaqaaqa hubaysan ee Ahlu-sunna Wal-jameeca.

Originally posted by Emperor: So they fight over a small insignifact ground called Wabxo for a month, and not a clear winner, still the fight is in Wabxo, :confused: The central towns in Somalia are death graves. In every single battle more than 30 deads of both fighting sides are reported. The last battle along 40 men died of both sides. The reason of the high death toll is because the fighting happens in open field, which basically becomes a killing field while in Mogadishu the cowards can hide behind civilians and use kids to do their fighting.

Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aweys iyo saraakiil ka tirsan ururka Xisbul Islaam oo gaaray deegaanka Wabxo ee gobolka G/gaduud Guddoomiyaha ururka Xisbul Islaam Sheekh Xasan Daahir Aways oo ay la socdaan saraakiil ka tirsan xisbigaasi ayaa lagu soo warramayaa inuu gaaray deegaanka Wabxo ee ka tirsan degmada Ceelbuur ee gobolka Galgaduud oo ay shalay ka dhaceen dagaallo aad u culus oo ay xoogagga Iskaashanaya ee Xisbul Islaam iyo Al-shabaab gacanta ku haynta deegaankaasi ugala wareegeen dhaq-dhaqaaqa hubeysan ee Ahlu Sunna wal-jameeca. Sheekh Xasan Daahir ayaa lagu soo warramayaa inuu xalay kulamo la qaatay saraakiisha ciidamada taabacsan xisbigiisa iyo kuwa xarakada Mujaahidiinta Al-shabaab ee shalay dagaalka ka qayb galay, kulankaasoo aan xogta rasmi ah laga haynin haddana waxaa loo badinayaa inay ka wada hadleen sidii ay ay labada cudud isaga kaashan lahaayeen weerar la sheegay in Sheekh Xasan Daahir uu ku damacsan yahay inuu ku qaado degmooyin ka tirsan gobolka Galgaduud. Wararka laga helayo degmadaasi ayaa sheegaya in Sheekh Xasan Daahir oo wata tiro gaadiidka dagaalka ah uu maalmo kooban ku sugnaan doono deegaanka Wabxo ka hor inta uusan uga sii gudbin degmooyin kale oo ka tirsan ee gobolka Galgaduud, inkastoo aan ilaa hadda la sheegin karin sida ay ugu suurto geli karto inuu dagaal ama xeeladba ugu gaaro degmada Guriceel oo ay haatan gacanta ku hayaan dhaq-dhaqaaqa hubaysan ee Ahlu-sunna Wal-jameeca.

The coalition of extremists have focused their attention on Gobolade dhexe, specifically in defeating the Mujaahideenta Soomaaliyeed. Xasan Aweys and Xasan Turki are reported to be heading towards Galgaduud to back up their partner in the Coalition of Extremists: Alshabab. So far, the Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamacah brave fighters have withstood every assault by the extremists and cleansed these bad copy of Taliban from: Guriceel, Dhusomareeb, Ceel Buur, Waxbo, Dac etc. In Mogadishu, the coalition of extremists is stuck and are been rolled back. Since their 2-day victory which came about after many soldiers swichted to their side they have captured not a single inche. When Mujaahideenta Soomaaliyeed in Gobolade dhexe break the coalition of extremists the roll-back can start.

Qasaarihii ka dhashay dagaal shalay ka dhacay deegaanka Wabxo oo sii kordhay iyo dhinacyadii ku dagaalamay oo guulo ka sheegtay dagaaladaasi. Shabelle: WABXO Waxaa sii kordhaya qasaaraha ka dhashay dagaalo shalay ka dhacay deegaanka Wabxo degmada Ceel Buur ee gobolka Galgaduud iyadoo dhinacyadii halkaasi ku dagaalamay ay guulo ka kala sheegteen. Kadib dagaalo xoogan oo shalay ku dhex maray xoogaga iskaashanaya ee Xarakatul shabaabul Mujaahidiin iyo Xisbul islaam iyo ciidmada Ahlusuna Wal Jamaaca deegaanka Wabxo ee gobolka Galgaduud ayaa waxaa isa soo taraya qasaarihii halkasi ka dhashay. Inta la hubo 40-ruux oo isugu jira dhinacaydii dagalamay iyo dad rayid ah ayaa ku dhimatay dagaaladaasi iyadoo ay dhaawacyo kala duwan ka soo gaareen in ka badan 60-qof kuwaasi oo dhaawacyadooda la kala geeyay cusbitaalo ku yaala deegaanka Dacda,Degmada Ceel Buur iyo degmada Guriceel ee gobolka Galgaduud. Dhinacyada sida xun ugu dagaalamay deegaankaasi ayaa afhayeeno u kala hadlay waxaa ay ka sheegteen guulo iyadoo midba midka kale uu ku sheegayay in dagaaladasi ay ku jabiyeen. Illaa iyo hada si dhab ah looma oga cida rasmi ahaan gacanta ugu heysa deegaanka Wabxo ee shalay ay dagaalada qaraari ka dheceen maadama halkaasi weli ay ka maqan tahay isgaarsiintii ka jirtay waloow wararka qaar ay sheegayaan in xaalada degaanka Wabxo ay saakay degan tahay. Waxaa jiray dad ka barakacay dagaalada halkaasi ka dhacay kuwaasi u kala firxaday dhulka howdka ah iyo deegaanada ku dhow dhow si ay uga nabad galaan waxyeelo ka soo gaarta dagaaladaasi.