^^ Thats why for now we have to focus on the 7 and spend all our energies in building the 7. The lost lands will be recovered after the 7 is strong enough to withstand all resistance coming from different parties that have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo as regards to the colonial borders.

First lets get the basics right: - Create a strong, independent, united and prosperous 7-Somalia The 7 needs to be build before the lost territories are recovered.

JB, 26 June is the first phase of the beginning of the Republic. Insha allah we will witness a day when we can celebrate 26 June in Hargaisa and the rest of the country.

^^ It is Somalia's beginning. Northern Somalia, ex-Somaliland, was an integral part of the new Republic and its leaders have spearheaded the independence and unification of the two Somali territories.

Somali nationalism is under siege: Munaasabadda 26-ka June oo aan laga xusin Soomaaliya Jimco, June 26, 2009(HOL): Munaasabadda 26-ka June oo ku asteysan xornimo-qaadashada gobollada Waqooyi ee Soomaaliya ayaan laga soo hadal qaadin Soomaaliya, iyadoo sanadguuradaasna ay ka soo wareegatay muddo 49 sano ah. Gobollada Waqooyi Galbeed ee la baxay Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland ayaa xuska munaasabaddaas waxay ku bedesheen maalinta 18-ka May oo ugu taariikheysan markii ay gooni isaga taageen Soomaaliya inteeda kale sanadkii 1991-kii. Gobollada Koofureed oo maalinta 26-ka June laga xusi jiray ayaan iyana sanadkan laga xusin munaasabaddaas oo lagu xusuusto markii ugu horreysay oo calan Soomaaliyeed uu ka babado geyiga Soomaaliyeed. 27-ka June oo ku beegan maalinta berri ah ayaa waxay iyadana ku asteysan tahay xornimo-qaadashadii Dalka Jabuuti, waxaana xusid mudan in ay Soomaaliya iyo Jibouti ku jiraan muddo todobaad ah oo ay ku xusuusanayaan maalmo ay ka xoroobeen gumeysi heystay. 1-da July ee soo socota oo ay afar maalmood naga xigto ayaa waxaa iyadana ku asteysan 49 guuradii ka soo wareegatay markii ay Gobollada Koofureed ay ka xoroobeen gumeystihii Talyaaniga iyo midowgii gobollada Koofur iyo Waqooyi ee Soomaaliya. Lama oga in maalinta 1-da July ay la mid noqon doonto 26-ka June oo aan helin maamuuskii loo sameyn jiray ka hor burburkii Dowladdii hore iyo weliba sanado aan badneyn oo burburka dhexdiisa ah. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com

A day never to be forgotten. 49 years ago the first part of Somalia became independent. Insha allah Somalia will rise again.

Insha allah, Somalia will rise again:

Me, The situation in Mogadishu called for radical change and the need for change is an opportunity for pretenders to fill that void. Nobody disagrees that things were terrible in Mogadishu, but the kind of ''change'' that came (in 2006) is one that has brought the Somali nation in deeper problems. The change of 1991 and 2006 have many parallels. In 1991, the USC spearheaded a long-awaited change. The oppressive dictatorship along with its abuse of the nation's resources led to the emergence of clannist jabhado and the fact that Somali masses welcomed the collapse of the dictatorial regime. Nobody was preoccupied at that time in asking critical questions like: - How will the country be governed after the dictatorial regime is ousted? - What is the place and role of the different factions in shaping Somalia's future? - How can the injustices of the previous regime be corrected? - How can we give the Somali nation its freedom and dignity back after 21 years of autoritarian rule? All those legitimate questions were ignored and the supporters of the Jabhado prevented criticial discussion of the post-dictatorship period by sily retorics of: - Lets first depose the dictator! - Lets first restore Somali freedom and dignity! - Lets first retake the resources the dictatorial regime took from the masses! Many people fell for those political rethorics and we all know how the political pretenders in 1991 squandered a great opportunity. The fragmentation of the USC resembles that of the ICU. Both organizations were united in cause but the deep divisions were clearly visible and would come to the forefront as the struggle progressed. It is also not surprising that the radical wing of ICU ( which became Alshabab-Xisbi Islam) resembles that of the USC (which later became USC-SNA). Even the retorics both use are a bady copy of the past. Here are few parallels: - The radical wing of the ICU claimed to have spearheaded the defeat of the warlords and the overal struggle and as such deserves to rule the country just like the radical wing of the USC claimed to have spearheaded the defeat of the dictator and the overal struggle - The radical wing of the ICU has been sidelined by the Jabuti process just like the radical wing of the USC had been sidelined by the Jabuti process in 1991. - The radical wing of the ICU has conquered much of Southern Somalia just like the radical wing of USC conquered much of Southern Somalia while the govt of Ali Mahdi was concentrated in Mogadishu city. - The radical wing of the ICU declared many people ''murtads/gaalo'' if they disagreed with them and were suspected of aiding the other camp just like the radical wing of USC declared many groups as ''collaborators'' based on clan background (i.e the SSDF lumping together with Barre's regime based on clan). - The radical wing of the ICU has claimed to have taken most of Mogadishu city and was believed as such just like the radical wing of USC (USC-SNA) claimed to have taken all of Mogadishu city. - The Aweys vs Sh.Sharif war and the exodus from Mogadishu city is another bad copy of the past. - The honeymoon between Turki-Aweys and the creation of Xisbi Islam is another bad copy of the honeymoon between Aideed-Jess and the creation of USC-SNA which briefly controlled: Baay/Bakool, Gedo, Jubba regions and Lower Shabelle. I am sure you can see the other parallels. Fake Justice is justice nonetheless?? On issue 1 and 2, well this trial proves that, they are bringing justice. You can disagree with their form of justice, but justice it is nonetheless. To return to our 1991-2006 parallel. We can take an example of ´´PR Justice´´ back in 1991-1992 that was performed by the radical wing of the USC and was politically motivated, shortsighted and amateurish just like the Alshabab ´´Justice´. There is this widely known event in which USC-SNA captured 3 young Somali men during the fighting in Kismaanyo. Those 3 dhalinyaro were brought to Mogadishu city and tied to a tree after which they were ´trialed´. Ironically the USC-SNA brought many people to watch the trial and sentence just like Alshabab has done while Qeybdiid was one of the officials who was talking to the crowd (he was a high official of USC-SNA at that time). After some shady ´´trial´´ the 3 dhalinyaro confessed that they were part of Barre´s forces and as such were sentenced to dead penalty. They were executed in front of the Somali crowd the same day. At that time, the supporters of USC-SNA and Qeybdiid´s loyalists would have surely called it ´´Justice´´ and have justified the crime while proclaiming that the mob was pleased and thus everything was fine. It was not long ago that Kashafa was boosting about ´´Swift Justice´´ of Alshabab after which I had warned him not to repeat the mistakes of USC in propagating for a ´´Swift Justice´´. It is worhtwhile to read the posts concerning the issue of Justice in that thread. We should be carefull when it comes to delicate state affaires. PS: Qeybdiid was jailed briefly for that crime in Sweden around 2004-2006 after Somali people showed that video-tape to Swedish authorities.

Kashafa, With all respect, you are a headless chicken. You are always preoccupied with screaming and yelling while not presenting any substance and real arguments. It is no surprise why Me, who is not even an ardant supporter of Alshabab, is doing a better job than you in defending the policies and actions of the extremist by presenting real and interesting arguments. Now bro, let men debate and go post maps of how big Alshabab is and latest pictures of suicide bombers.

Dear Me, The only reason the extremist Alshabab is doing what it is doing is because they are parasites who have grown in an environment that was weak, morally degenerated and socially divided. It is no coincidence that the birth place of Alshabab was Mogadishu, a city that witnessed lawlessness and anarchy for 18 years. When an organism becomes weak, and finds itself in a position of slow self-destruction than it is natural that virus and bacteria infect the organism in which than the parasites will feed off and grow untill the organism seizes to exist. This is the story of Mogadishu city and most of Southern Somalia, and this explains why the extremist have been succesfull in those area's and nonexistent in other regions of Somalia. Even if we look at the case at a much lower level than the society, and analyze the occurance of extremism from an individual perspective we can see that those individuals who become suicide bombers and extremists are victims that fell prey to an extremist ideology. If we inquire into the reasons why these individuals fell prey while others have not we can agree that the life environment and character of these individuals is conducive to attract parasites (i.e the extremist ideology) which eventually leads to their end. Hence, why 15-year old children are enlisted to blow themselves up, and hence why older hapless men who have become tired of life and seek a new beginning are attracted to such ideologies and become radical ''new-born muslims''. The fact that we fled our country explains little, because surely many Somalis fled from Northwestern, Northeastern and Central Somalia yet those regions have: Functioning regional administrations that take care of: - Security of the people - Justice administration - Education - Social programs Now, can you explain us why the extremist Alshabab are non-existent in those regions? ------- Purpose of the topic: What we are doing is not merely fingerpointing but unmasking the entity that is sugar-coated by their supporters and sympathizers as: ''wadani, pure muslims, mujaahideen, last somalis standing'' etc etc. The administration of justice is a very important field in every nation, and the fact that the extremists abuse this field and mix it with their Propaganda administration is disturbing to say the least. This amateurish, shortsighted, politically-motivate d way the extremist handle the admninistration of Justice unveils the nature of their rule in Somalia. Do they have a complete program as some claim? The Alshabab entity have never elaborated on the ''complete program'' and have shown us that the administrations they have established so far are worse than the well-functioning and flourishing administrations in Central/Northeastern and Northwestern Somalia. In some Southern regions their admninistration when stripped from its superficial ideology is basically the same as the administrations before it: Middle Shabelle admninistration hasn't changed, Baay/Bakool administration hasn't changed, even the one in Kismaanyo is still the same in which the different factions of the alliance share the revenues from the port/airport and businesses like the previous JVA was doing. The extremists have no ''complete program'' and people should not confuse the meaning of 'complete program'with simple PR-stunts and war retorics. The reality on the ground tells a different story than the PR-stunts and war retorics of the extremists: Their retorics: - We bring Justtice - We safeguard the weak and innocent - We fight foreign invaders: Ethiopia and AMISOM The reality: - They bring PR justice, in which so far teenagers have been the victims: 13 year old girl in Kismaanyo, 14 year old boy in Mogadishu city. - They contribute to the mass displacement and massacre of the weak and innocent - They fight Somali factions while the Ethiopians are stationed in Baay/Bakool/Gedo/Hii raan/Galgaduud borderregions. So far, have we ever heard of Alshabab waging war on the Ethiopians in Doolow/Luuq/Berdale/ Jawiil/Balanbale/Abu dwaaq? No, they are more preoccupied with invading small towns in Central Somalia and other regions. Even if we look at Mogadishu, we can see that the AMISOM are stationed next door Alshabab strongholds along the Industrial Road yet Alshabab is waging war to conquer Kaaran/Shibis/Boondh eere/Cabdulcasiis etc. Their retorics rarely match reality.

Better to arm Somali soldiers instead of requesting for foreign soldiers. Hopefully those trained and equiped Somali soldiers will be able to secure the country and eventually secure our borders against Ethiopian incursions.

Brothers, This is not a game between two teams. It is a war in which eventually the Somali nation becomes the victim. 200.000 are displaced and more than 300 are killed, not to mention the number of wounded and the number of properties destroyed. Sane people should denounce both evils and not fuel the conflict by perceiving the whole suffering of the Somali nation as a ''game between 2 teams''.

Originally posted by NASSIR: A conditional outcome of nearly 20 years of nomadic warfare, encroachment, misguided elites, anarchy, and international neglect! But it seems we oftentimes fail to envision the far-ahead consequences when planning for a new direction. In the mid to late 80s, tribal factions banded together to oust the last regime. Their Lack of realistic plan for reconstruction, preservation, and the promotion of uniform national identity was the main reason that things span out of control. Then came the al-shabaab/Wahabi/al -Itihaad phenemenon and their promotion for a new political direction. Their backers again never debated and considered the course of action to be had as an alternative to the TFG. How will we deal with threat of introducing suicide bombers into Somali culture. What form of Government is acceptable to both sides and how the one we envision and theirs be made to work in concert towards the reconstitution of the Somali Republic? The whole deliberation came too late to have an impact and the international community was hoodwinked to give in to the wrong group aka the clan courts as opposed to the Islamic courts. Kashafa is the new version of the die-hard supporter of the rebel clannist movements back in 1990s. Running around like a chicken without head.

Xiin, Because he rather adresses the individual instead of his/her views. Perhaps he will dedicate another rap freestly against the said Jimcaale?

Me, I am against the fact that political pretenders mis-use the widely cherished concept of Justice. Somalia needs real justice not politically-motivate d Justice and superficial measures to tackle societal ills with their deep roots. I have asked legitimate questions which need to be answered if we are really interested in discussing and pursuing justice. As for: In Somalia today if you loose your bread, you are condemned to death. Those guys stole other people’s property and condemned them to death In such a context, those that do not have the means to earn a living and thus are condemned to death are logically forced to survive even if it means harming others. We need to change that context instead of cutting limbs because we want to score political points. As for crime itself, there should be zero-tolerance but this does not mean that political pretenders will excute their propaganda and extremist agenda under the cover of ''combatting crime''. There are several activities in which they are engaged which can be termed crime. Should we battle that too?

How old is the kid that has been used for this propaganda display? Not older than 14-16 years. Perhaps they would like him to blow himself up and in the process kill dozens of civilians instead of allegedly robbing people from their mobile phones. Justice should be applied to everyone and we need GENUINE JUSTICE, and not politically-motivate d Justice.

Can the Alshabab supporters and sympathizers answer the below questions Few questions concerning the case of robbery: - Is robbery not a result of lawlessness and lawlessness not a result of anarchy and conflict? - Shouldn’t we target the societal problem systematically and thoroughly by solving the causes instead of cutting off arms and legs? - Aren’t people product of their environment and shouldn’t we take the environment in which those people live into consideration? Few questions concerning the case of ‘’trial’’: - Was the judge an independent official working in an independent judiciary system or a member of Alshabab which automatically makes him biased and politically oriented/motivated? - Was there any transparency concerning the trial process? Who defended the 4 young men? How long did the trial take place? Are they the only robbers in Mogadishu? - Why have they proceeded to this controversial sentence amidst a heated conflict in Mogadishu city and Somalia in general? Is it part of their war, namely part of their Propaganda war? Few questions in general: - Is this the way the extremists solve societal ills? - Will they apply such shortsighted, politically motivated, highly obscure and secretive procedures in solving other societal ills?

Somali Islamists cut off hands, feet of thieves MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — An Islamic court in Somalia on Thursday cut off a hand and foot from each of four men convicted of stealing phones and guns, drawing hundreds of onlookers as the weeping men were punished at a military camp. The Shariah court that carried out the sentences is run by the powerful insurgent group al-Shabab, which is trying to topple Somalia's U.N.-backed government and install a strict form of Islam. "The men were bleeding and crying when the man cut their hands and feet off with a long knife," said one witness, Liban Ali. Journalists were not allowed to cover the sentencing. The four were convicted earlier this week in the capital, Mogadishu. The U.S. considers al-Shabab a terrorist group with links to al-Qaida, which al-Shabab denies. The group, which controls much of Somalia, is joined by hundreds of foreign fighters. Somalis traditionally observe Sufi Islam, a relatively moderate form of worship. But in recent years, insurgents have begun to follow austere Wahabi Islam — rooted in Saudi Arabia and practiced by Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Somalia has not had an effective government since 1991 when the overthrow of a dictatorship plunged the country into chaos. A surge in violence in recent weeks, which diplomats said is a major push by the insurgents to force the government out of its Mogadishu strongholds, has killed about 225 people. Last week, the national security minister and Mogadishu's police chief were among those killed. The country's lawlessness has spread security fears round the region and raised concerns that al-Qaida is trying to gain a foothold in the Horn of Africa. Somali lawmakers pleaded this weekend for immediate international military intervention from countries including Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti to help quash the insurgency. But there was no indication reinforcements would be forthcoming. Some 159,000 people have fled their homes since May 7, according to the U.N. refugee agency. The United Nations says an estimated 3.2 million Somalis — almost half the country's population — need food and other humanitarian aid. Two years ago, Ethiopia deployed troops to support Somalia's fragile, Western-backed government, but they were widely unpopular and finally withdrawn in January. Source: AP, June 25, 2009

Me, Lets get few things correct: - Justice needs to be pursuit in every occasion. The victims and alleged criminals deserve both justice. Justice that is politically motivated and above all shady leads to unjust, i.e innocent people can be sentenced for crimes they did not commit, or criminals can be punished disproportionally for the crimes they commited just because the trial is politically motivated. - Alshabab CLAIMS that these 4 young men have been engaged in robbery: Waxaa sidoo kale la soo bandhigay Hub lasheegay in ay Wax ku Isbaareysan Dhalinyaradan la soo Xiray iyo Waliba Moobilo iyo Baastoolado la sheegay in ay Dadka ka soo dhaceen from moutpiece of Alshabab - The 4 men are captured by Alshabab militia and are judged by an Alshabab official while Alshabab key leaders take advantage of the opportunity to air their Propaganda: Waxa Fagaaraha Xukunku ka dhacayey kahadley Ma’uuliyiin ka tirsan Xarakada Mujaahidiinta Al-Shabaab kuwaas oo kala ahaa Sh.Fu’aad Max’ed Khalaf, Waaliga Gobolka Banaadir ee Xarakada Mujaahidiinta Al-Shabaab Sh.Cali Max’ud Xuseen, iyo Qaadiga Maxkamadii Xukunka Riday oo lagu Magacaabo Cabdul Xaq. The above three men gave speeches in that sequence, first Fuad Shongole (national leadership level of Alshabab), than Banadir official of Alshabab (regional leadership level of Alshabab), than the socalled judge with the name ''Haq'' as last. That alone shows that it was not a trial but a show used to air political believes and extremist views. - The trial itself is very obscure and secretive. Nobody knowes how things went, nobody knowes if these men committed what they are accused of, and more importantly have they consulted independent Islamic scholars to look at the corresponding punishment? - The victims have confessed, but who knowes how this confession was obtained? Raga la Xukumay oo Saxaafada la hadalyey ayaa Sheegay in ay Geysteen Danbiga lagu soo eedeeyey isla markaana ay ku Qanacsan yihiin Xukunka lagu riday. For all we know they could have been given the choice of: losing your live and maybe that of more family members or losing your leg/arm. So in conclusion: What happened is not justice, but a political display which is covered under the slogan ''seeking justice and solving a societal ill (robbery)'' while no independent investigation nor trial has happened. The timing (amids heated war and in Mogadishu city) alone shows that it was not justice but a showdown part of their Propaganda war. And in this, 4 young men have been the victims. We ALL agree on the need to punish criminals and thus seek justice not only for the victims but for society in general. BUT to use this need for justice and deliver a politically-motivate d and obscure version of justice is not what people NEED AND WANT.

Me, Thanks for the welcome. First what kind of information do we have? Did these 4 guys kill people? How many? All we know is that they were engaged in robbery, and all I am saying is: - If we want Justice lets seek genuine Justice instead of politically-motivate d justice which is used by the political pretenders as a PR. Also, What about the method of trial? Obscure, secretive trial and sentence by handpicked men/judges of Alshabab? Lastly, Extremist is the right term to be used for Alshabab, frankly the term is rather soft when we look at the things they are engaged in and their views on Somalia and the world. The unity of Somali people is best served if everyone can air his/her views and we can talk about our differences openly and freely in order to come to an agreement. So far, Alshabab is working against that Somali unity.

Shabelle: MUQDISHO Ilaa 4-dhalinyaro Soomaali ah ayaa maanta Maxkamadda Xarakatul Shabaabul Mujaahidiin waxa ay ku fulisay xakunka Xadul Xiraabah gudaha Xerada Maslax ee gudaha Magaalada Muqdisho. Dhalinyaradaan 4-ta ah oo isbuucaan guduhiisa qirtay in ay geysteen fal burcadnimo ah ayaa mid kasta oo ka mid ah waxaa laga jaray lug iyo gacan is dhaaf ah. Goobta uu ka dhacay Xukunkaani oo ay soo buuxdhaafiayeen boqolaal dadweyne ah ayaa Xarakatul Shabaabul Mujaahidiin waxaa ay ka jirtay mid kasta oo ka mid ah dhalinyaradaasi Gacanta Midiga iyo Lugta Bidix. Wakiilka Al Shabaab ee gobolka Banaadir Sheekh Cali Max’ed Xuseen oo goobta kula hadlay Saxafiyiinta ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in ay qaateen masuuliyadda Daryeelidda iyo Nafaqeynta dhalinyaradaani. Dhinaka kale wakiilka Al Shabaab ayaa waxaa uu digniin u diray dad uu sheegay in ay dadka dhacaan iyo kuwa dadka Xada kuwaasi oo uu sheegay in lagu fulin doono hadii la qabto xukunka ay ka qabto shareecada Islaamka hadii aysan ka towbad keenin. Dhalinyaradaani ayaa Isbuucaan Waxaa ay Maxkamada xarakatul Shabaabul Mujaahidiin ay ku xakuntay in mid kasta oo ka mid ah laga jaro Lug iyo gacan is dhaaf ah,waana markii ugu horeeysay oo mudo sanado ah laga fuliyo Caasimadda Muqdisho Xukun lug iyo gacan goysmo ah. Aqriso oo la soco Shabelle.net Saacad Walba si aad u hesho wararkii ugu dambeeyay ee Soomaaliya. Dhageeyso Wararka 1:30-duhurnimo Maalin waliba adigoo raacaya tilmaamaha Wabseydka.

The extremist group of Alshabab have conducted one of their inhumane, shortsighted and politically motivated form of ‘’justice’’ again. So far these bunch of extremists have shown us their shortsightedness and incompetence in solving societal ills. Their way of solving societal problems can be summarized as taking over a city/region by sheer force and then setting up their oppressive dictatorship in which they force the people to abide by their rules, how idiotic those rules may be. The sole justification for their way of conduct is ‘’Islamic Law’’ but who is doing the interpretation of the Islamic Law? Independent Islamic scholars or new-born Muslims who have introduced to Somalia an alien interpretation of our religion after they returned from Pakistan or Afghanistan? Lets look at this particular case of the 4 young Somalis who have been sentenced to amputation of leg/arm because they were engaged in robbery. Few questions concerning the case of robbery: - Is robbery not a result of lawlessness and lawlessness not a result of anarchy and conflict? - Shouldn’t we target the societal problem systematically and thoroughly by solving the causes instead of cutting off arms and legs? - Aren’t people product of their environment and shouldn’t we take the environment in which those people live into consideration? Few questions concerning the case of ‘’trial’’: - Was the judge an independent official working in an independent judiciary system or a member of Alshabab which automatically makes him biased and politically oriented/motivated? - Was there any transparency concerning the trial process? Who defended the 4 young men? How long did the trial take place? Are they the only robbers in Mogadishu? - Why have they proceeded to this controversial sentence amidst a heated conflict in Mogadishu city and Somalia in general? Is it part of their war, namely part of their Propaganda war? Few questions in general: - Is this the way the extremists solve societal ills? - Will they apply such shortsighted, politically motivated, highly obscure and secretive procedures in solving other societal ills? They have disabled this young Somali man in the above picture because he was corrupted by the 18 years of lawlessness and anarchy in Mogadishu city. Now he has to go through live not only mentally scarred by the 18 years of living under anarchy like the rest of the lost generations in Somalia, but he is also physically remembered about those years of lawlessness and the mistakes he made in live. That young teenager is not alone, what about the teenager that was brainwashed to blow himself up and in the process take mora than 30 innocent people with him just to assassinate 1-3 opponents of Alshabab? He too is the product of his environment, after living many years in anarchy he was one of the fortunate teenagers who were sent to schools, most probably Islamic school. His parents never envisioned for their kid to become a suicide bomber when they were paying his school fees, he was brainwashed by extremists who apply extremists methods in solving societal ills as a result of years of anarchy.

Hassan, Take the pictures down and post only the link. You should not shock the people!

Waranle, You too s.uck at personal analyzation. You are quick to throw around accusations and as a consequence people will be quick at throwing every kind of accusation at you. Learn to deal with.

He needs to taste the death he brought to thousands of Somalis.